Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:15:42 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Some people think they can sell anything to everyone and then there is > > Alan and me. You to Neil. ROFL > > It also helps if you know multiple languages and can switch between > them at will. I once had a call from someone wanting to sell me > something. The conversation kept switching to different languages and > the person kept asking me to repeat what I said. I would simply repeat > the same, but in a different language. If only I'd be fluent in > Klingon ;) You don't have to be fluent, as long as the caller isn't ;-) I recently had a conversation along the lines of Caller: Would you like a free quote for a conservatory? Me: Ooh yes, I'd really like a conservatory... Caller: Me: ... but I'm not sure the people in the flat downstairs would be too happy about it Caller: -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #10: Insufficient money spent in hardware. pgpHJh6VgzBcn.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:14:15 PM CET Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On 26/01/2017 03:52, Dale wrote: > >> taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >>> On 01/25/2017 05:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires > an > invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the > download. > > I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work > well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle > that has a compatible java? > > BillK > >>> > >>> "Why does radio-shack ask for your phone number why you buy batteries!" > >>> > >>> Always good to not put up with this crap, I like to feed them > >>> obviously fake information when I need something from a place that > >>> insists on doing this. > >>> > >>> I purchased some hardware (at a physical store with cash none the > >>> less) recently and the cashier asked for my information and was > >>> annoyingly insistent[1] so I gave them "John Smith at 123 1st Street" > >>> as she audibly sucked her teeth. > >>> > >>> The more people put up with this stuff the more bad things will happen > >>> - two police officers recently were murdered in france because a > >>> terrorist got their address off the internet and paid them a visit. > >>> > >>> [1]I presume they get a bonus for how many marketing > >>> emails/information they collect. > >> > >> It's also good to have a email address that you rarely if ever check. I > >> have one with the words spam, junk and such in it. I like the looks I > >> get when I give it to them. Generally, they not happy. Thing is, if I > >> need to confirm something, I can login and confirm it. It is a valid > >> email addy, I just rarely check it. > >> > >> It's odd just how much info they want just so we can be a customer. > >> Some act like we owe them something. > > > > If you own your own domain and sign up for say a bank account at > > Citibank, give your address as > > > > i.have.just.been.spammed.by.citib...@mckinnon.za.net > > > > and you will never see spam from that institution :-) > > I have it on good authority (from friends working there) that local > > banks etc "grep -v" anything that remotely matches their own name or > > domain when selling^Wsharing lists with spammers^Wpartners... > > > > > > Now if I can just get my own employer to get it too. Got another of > > these phone calls today: > > > > Them: Hi Alan! I'm calling from XYZ mobile network to offer you a great > > deal!! > > Me: I work for XYZ mobile network > > Them: Oh. Our special has great call rates! > > Me: All my calls are free > > Them: You get a great phone at a great discount...! > > Me: I have a top-flight company phone as a tool of trade, plus a > > notebook, plus a modem plus 2 x 24" hires screens > > Them: E ... how about a great deal for you wife? > > Me: The company gives me a second SIM for my spouse, same benefits > > > > Srsly, that happened. And some people have no idea when they are driving > > down Hopeless Street :-) > > I don't have a website but I hope others see that post and give it a > try. I wish we could see results for some of that, statistical of course. > > It reminds me of a time I won a TV. I would have to go get it and it > was a day, maybe two, drive away from me. The gas alone would cost more > than the TV would. Plus I'd need at least one nights hotel. To finally > end the nonsense I told the guy where to put his TV, sideways, not that > it mattered much back then. > > Some people think they can sell anything to everyone and then there is > Alan and me. You to Neil. ROFL It also helps if you know multiple languages and can switch between them at will. I once had a call from someone wanting to sell me something. The conversation kept switching to different languages and the person kept asking me to repeat what I said. I would simply repeat the same, but in a different language. If only I'd be fluent in Klingon ;) I can keep that up for an hour easily. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 26/01/2017 03:52, Dale wrote: >> taii...@gmx.com wrote: >>> On 01/25/2017 05:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >>> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the download. I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle that has a compatible java? BillK >>> "Why does radio-shack ask for your phone number why you buy batteries!" >>> >>> Always good to not put up with this crap, I like to feed them >>> obviously fake information when I need something from a place that >>> insists on doing this. >>> >>> I purchased some hardware (at a physical store with cash none the >>> less) recently and the cashier asked for my information and was >>> annoyingly insistent[1] so I gave them "John Smith at 123 1st Street" >>> as she audibly sucked her teeth. >>> >>> The more people put up with this stuff the more bad things will happen >>> - two police officers recently were murdered in france because a >>> terrorist got their address off the internet and paid them a visit. >>> >>> [1]I presume they get a bonus for how many marketing >>> emails/information they collect. >>> >>> >> It's also good to have a email address that you rarely if ever check. I >> have one with the words spam, junk and such in it. I like the looks I >> get when I give it to them. Generally, they not happy. Thing is, if I >> need to confirm something, I can login and confirm it. It is a valid >> email addy, I just rarely check it. >> >> It's odd just how much info they want just so we can be a customer. >> Some act like we owe them something. > > If you own your own domain and sign up for say a bank account at > Citibank, give your address as > > i.have.just.been.spammed.by.citib...@mckinnon.za.net > > and you will never see spam from that institution :-) > I have it on good authority (from friends working there) that local > banks etc "grep -v" anything that remotely matches their own name or > domain when selling^Wsharing lists with spammers^Wpartners... > > > Now if I can just get my own employer to get it too. Got another of > these phone calls today: > > Them: Hi Alan! I'm calling from XYZ mobile network to offer you a great > deal!! > Me: I work for XYZ mobile network > Them: Oh. Our special has great call rates! > Me: All my calls are free > Them: You get a great phone at a great discount...! > Me: I have a top-flight company phone as a tool of trade, plus a > notebook, plus a modem plus 2 x 24" hires screens > Them: E ... how about a great deal for you wife? > Me: The company gives me a second SIM for my spouse, same benefits > > Srsly, that happened. And some people have no idea when they are driving > down Hopeless Street :-) > I don't have a website but I hope others see that post and give it a try. I wish we could see results for some of that, statistical of course. It reminds me of a time I won a TV. I would have to go get it and it was a day, maybe two, drive away from me. The gas alone would cost more than the TV would. Plus I'd need at least one nights hotel. To finally end the nonsense I told the guy where to put his TV, sideways, not that it mattered much back then. Some people think they can sell anything to everyone and then there is Alan and me. You to Neil. ROFL Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On 26/01/2017 03:52, Dale wrote: > taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> On 01/25/2017 05:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >> >>> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an >>> invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the >>> download. >>> >>> I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work >>> well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle >>> that has a compatible java? >>> >>> BillK >> "Why does radio-shack ask for your phone number why you buy batteries!" >> >> Always good to not put up with this crap, I like to feed them >> obviously fake information when I need something from a place that >> insists on doing this. >> >> I purchased some hardware (at a physical store with cash none the >> less) recently and the cashier asked for my information and was >> annoyingly insistent[1] so I gave them "John Smith at 123 1st Street" >> as she audibly sucked her teeth. >> >> The more people put up with this stuff the more bad things will happen >> - two police officers recently were murdered in france because a >> terrorist got their address off the internet and paid them a visit. >> >> [1]I presume they get a bonus for how many marketing >> emails/information they collect. >> >> > > It's also good to have a email address that you rarely if ever check. I > have one with the words spam, junk and such in it. I like the looks I > get when I give it to them. Generally, they not happy. Thing is, if I > need to confirm something, I can login and confirm it. It is a valid > email addy, I just rarely check it. > > It's odd just how much info they want just so we can be a customer. > Some act like we owe them something. If you own your own domain and sign up for say a bank account at Citibank, give your address as i.have.just.been.spammed.by.citib...@mckinnon.za.net and you will never see spam from that institution :-) I have it on good authority (from friends working there) that local banks etc "grep -v" anything that remotely matches their own name or domain when selling^Wsharing lists with spammers^Wpartners... Now if I can just get my own employer to get it too. Got another of these phone calls today: Them: Hi Alan! I'm calling from XYZ mobile network to offer you a great deal!! Me: I work for XYZ mobile network Them: Oh. Our special has great call rates! Me: All my calls are free Them: You get a great phone at a great discount...! Me: I have a top-flight company phone as a tool of trade, plus a notebook, plus a modem plus 2 x 24" hires screens Them: E ... how about a great deal for you wife? Me: The company gives me a second SIM for my spouse, same benefits Srsly, that happened. And some people have no idea when they are driving down Hopeless Street :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 01/25/2017 05:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > >> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an >> invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the >> download. >> >> I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work >> well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle >> that has a compatible java? >> >> BillK > "Why does radio-shack ask for your phone number why you buy batteries!" > > Always good to not put up with this crap, I like to feed them > obviously fake information when I need something from a place that > insists on doing this. > > I purchased some hardware (at a physical store with cash none the > less) recently and the cashier asked for my information and was > annoyingly insistent[1] so I gave them "John Smith at 123 1st Street" > as she audibly sucked her teeth. > > The more people put up with this stuff the more bad things will happen > - two police officers recently were murdered in france because a > terrorist got their address off the internet and paid them a visit. > > [1]I presume they get a bonus for how many marketing > emails/information they collect. > > It's also good to have a email address that you rarely if ever check. I have one with the words spam, junk and such in it. I like the looks I get when I give it to them. Generally, they not happy. Thing is, if I need to confirm something, I can login and confirm it. It is a valid email addy, I just rarely check it. It's odd just how much info they want just so we can be a customer. Some act like we owe them something. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On 01/25/2017 05:03 AM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the download. I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle that has a compatible java? BillK "Why does radio-shack ask for your phone number why you buy batteries!" Always good to not put up with this crap, I like to feed them obviously fake information when I need something from a place that insists on doing this. I purchased some hardware (at a physical store with cash none the less) recently and the cashier asked for my information and was annoyingly insistent[1] so I gave them "John Smith at 123 1st Street" as she audibly sucked her teeth. The more people put up with this stuff the more bad things will happen - two police officers recently were murdered in france because a terrorist got their address off the internet and paid them a visit. [1]I presume they get a bonus for how many marketing emails/information they collect.
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On 25/01/17 18:21, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/01/2017 12:03, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an >> invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the download. >> >> I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work >> well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle >> that has a compatible java? >> >> BillK >> > > > Sounds like Oracle's latest "commercial usage" clause, whatever that is > > Follow Neil's advice, it also worked for me > You are right - there are two elog links, one takes you to a page with just a licence accept, the other to an archive where you get trapped. Sorry for the noise. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:27:26 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > > I downloaded jdk-8u121-linux-x64.tar.gz a few days ago, using the URL > > in the elog message. I had to agree to a licence agreement, but no > > other information was requested. > > > > > > Now accepting the licence agreement mousetraps you (cant go back) to an > oracle login/account creation. "Downloading these releases requires an > oracle.com account. If you don't have an oracle.com account you can use > the links on the top of this page to learn more about it and register > for one for free." is at the top of the page the elog message links to. Not here it doesn't. I just moved the tarball out of $DISTDIR and tried again. I accepted the agreement and was able to download. The page I used is http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html -- Neil Bothwick Software: (n.) That which hardware manufacturers can blame for physical failures. pgp1hyYaJFabI.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On 25/01/17 18:15, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:03:19 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > >> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an >> invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the >> download. > > I downloaded jdk-8u121-linux-x64.tar.gz a few days ago, using the URL in > the elog message. I had to agree to a licence agreement, but no other > information was requested. > > Now accepting the licence agreement mousetraps you (cant go back) to an oracle login/account creation. "Downloading these releases requires an oracle.com account. If you don't have an oracle.com account you can use the links on the top of this page to learn more about it and register for one for free." is at the top of the page the elog message links to. Looks like a trap to get a commercial contact for whatever company you work for. Mentions "Only developers and Enterprise administrators should download these releases." Recent change? BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On 25/01/2017 12:03, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an > invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the download. > > I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work > well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle > that has a compatible java? > > BillK > Sounds like Oracle's latest "commercial usage" clause, whatever that is Follow Neil's advice, it also worked for me -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] java replacement
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:03:19 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an
> invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the
> download.
I downloaded jdk-8u121-linux-x64.tar.gz a few days ago, using the URL in
the elog message. I had to agree to a licence agreement, but no other
information was requested.
--
Neil Bothwick
... if (pot.coffee == EMPTY) { programmer->brain = OFF };
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[gentoo-user] java replacement
The java 8u112 download that the latest oracle java pulls in requires an invasive questionnaire to create an Oracle account to enable the download. I was using iced-tea at one stage but found the android sdk didn’t work well with it - is there a less objectionable java source than oracle that has a compatible java? BillK
