Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1
Here it is what you are looking for: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml Greetings, -- Currently developing a browsergame... http://www.p-game.de Trade - Expand - Fight
[gentoo-user] kde-4.1
Hi all! I want to upgrade my kde from 3.5.9 to 4.1.x and I look some tutorial or guide how I can do this. I searched in the archive emails without results. Thanks for the suggestions! -- - - -- Csanyi Andras -- http://sayusi.hu -- Sayusi Ando -- Bízzál Istenben és tartsd szárazon a puskaport!.-- Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1
On Montag 08 Dezember 2008, András Csányi wrote: Hi all! I want to upgrade my kde from 3.5.9 to 4.1.x and I look some tutorial or guide how I can do this. I searched in the archive emails without results. Thanks for the suggestions! set the kdeprefix useflag emerge @kde-4.1
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1
2008/12/8 Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Montag 08 Dezember 2008, András Csányi wrote: Hi all! I want to upgrade my kde from 3.5.9 to 4.1.x and I look some tutorial or guide how I can do this. I searched in the archive emails without results. Thanks for the suggestions! set the kdeprefix useflag emerge @kde-4.1 Thanks the informations. The situation was little bit complicated. My system is stable and I had to unmask portage and some other package before I started emerge the 4.x KDE. So the tutorial was good place to start. -- - - -- Csanyi Andras -- http://sayusi.hu -- Sayusi Ando -- Bízzál Istenben és tartsd szárazon a puskaport!.-- Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1 SLOT in kdesvn-portage
Am Montag 22 September 2008 03:42:39 schrieb ext Jerry McBride: Hmmm maybe you guys would know I've gone the same route as you. However, I've emerge 4.1.65. It compiles fine, installs, no problems. And you don't wonder why 4.1.65 follows 4.1.1? That's 4.2-(pre?)-alpha! The next 4.1 release will be 4.1.2. Does anyone have a suggestion? Don't use alpha software. Now running 3.5.10 with no problems. But I'd really, really like to get a current kde up and running. Do as suggested earlier in this thread: Use the kde-testing overlay. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] kde-4.1 SLOT in kdesvn-portage
Hi, I use the kdesvn-portage overlay (the portage one, not the paludis-only one). To still stay this side of sanity, I emerged the 4.1.1 SLOT. I updated layman -S today only to find that the entire kde-4.1 SLOT has been removed. Can someone confirm? Am I actually dreaming? Anyone know why a perfectly reasonable set of ebuilds were removed? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1 SLOT in kdesvn-portage
Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi, I use the kdesvn-portage overlay (the portage one, not the paludis-only one). To still stay this side of sanity, I emerged the 4.1.1 SLOT. I updated layman -S today only to find that the entire kde-4.1 SLOT has been removed. Can someone confirm? Am I actually dreaming? Anyone know why a perfectly reasonable set of ebuilds were removed? I have a similar problem when I 'emerge --sync' it deletes my overlays I added with layman. Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1 SLOT in kdesvn-portage
Mike wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi, I use the kdesvn-portage overlay (the portage one, not the paludis-only one). To still stay this side of sanity, I emerged the 4.1.1 SLOT. I updated layman -S today only to find that the entire kde-4.1 SLOT has been removed. Can someone confirm? Am I actually dreaming? Anyone know why a perfectly reasonable set of ebuilds were removed? I have a similar problem when I 'emerge --sync' it deletes my overlays I added with layman. Mike My problem was I symlinked /usr/local to /usr so layman was installing the overlays to /usr/portage instead of /usr/local/portage and they were getting deleted on 'emerge --sync'. I changed the layman installation directory in /etc/layman/layman.cfg and solved that problem. Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.1 SLOT in kdesvn-portage
On Sunday 21 September 2008 09:26:15 pm Mike wrote: Mike wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi, I use the kdesvn-portage overlay (the portage one, not the paludis-only one). To still stay this side of sanity, I emerged the 4.1.1 SLOT. I updated layman -S today only to find that the entire kde-4.1 SLOT has been removed. Can someone confirm? Am I actually dreaming? Anyone know why a perfectly reasonable set of ebuilds were removed? I have a similar problem when I 'emerge --sync' it deletes my overlays I added with layman. Mike My problem was I symlinked /usr/local to /usr so layman was installing the overlays to /usr/portage instead of /usr/local/portage and they were getting deleted on 'emerge --sync'. I changed the layman installation directory in /etc/layman/layman.cfg and solved that problem. Mike Hmmm maybe you guys would know I've gone the same route as you. However, I've emerge 4.1.65. It compiles fine, installs, no problems. However... I normally start my gentoobox as rc 3. When I run startx, kde loads and looks quite wonderful, but just as the desktop grabs the mouse... it locks up. The lockup is so complete, I can't switch to a console and have to reboot... Does anyone have a suggestion? Kde 4,0 actually worked ok. kde4.05 and greater have been a wash for me. No luck what so ever. Total and complete lockup. Things I've done: tried 4.1, tried 4.1.66, made sure evdev is loaded... the logs show that X dies immediately... no output... just bang... Now running 3.5.10 with no problems. But I'd really, really like to get a current kde up and running. Jerry
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy Wright wrote: On the negative side, the nvidia binary drivers still have major performance issues with KDE4. This is a show stopper for me. I'd just thought I'd let everyone know there has been good progress here. Using the latest beta drivers (177.70) and with the settings from: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5191733.html#5191733 KDE 4.1 performance (including eye candy) on my 8600 GTS is now acceptable. Thanks for the tip Roy, I will give it a another shot. :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:38:01 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy Wright wrote: On the negative side, the nvidia binary drivers still have major performance issues with KDE4. This is a show stopper for me. I'd just thought I'd let everyone know there has been good progress here. Using the latest beta drivers (177.70) and with the settings from: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5191733.html#5191733 KDE 4.1 performance (including eye candy) on my 8600 GTS is now acceptable. Thanks for the tip Roy, I will give it a another shot. :) I'm using 177.70 on a 8600m GT here, and still running into stability issues (random crashes, X stops responding for 10 seconds and sometimes for ever). However, performance is a lot better - far from perfect, but useable. The one settings that is absolutely required is nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 Without it, scrolling any screen in Konqueror that's wide enough to need a horizontal scrollbar is interminably slow. With it, it's almost as fast as normal. Akregator with lots of articles in a feed is still deathly slow no matter what settings i fiddle with. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:38:01 Paul Hartman wrote: I'm using 177.70 on a 8600m GT here, and still running into stability issues (random crashes, X stops responding for 10 seconds and sometimes for ever). However, performance is a lot better - far from perfect, but useable. Right after I posted that, I started to experience the occasional 10s freezes. Then I found http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/GPU-Performance and changed OpenGL mode to Shared Memory, disabled Vsync, and added the BackingStore option. I haven't experienced the 10s pause yet after about 8 hours of usage.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
Roy Wright wrote: On the negative side, the nvidia binary drivers still have major performance issues with KDE4. This is a show stopper for me. I'd just thought I'd let everyone know there has been good progress here. Using the latest beta drivers (177.70) and with the settings from: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5191733.html#5191733 KDE 4.1 performance (including eye candy) on my 8600 GTS is now acceptable. Have fun, Roy
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | have fun | Tom | Thanks for the update. Slightly OT and planning ahead slightly, any | ideas how easy it will be to upgrade from the kdesvn-portage overlay to | the official ebuilds? If everything goes as planned, as easy as emerge -u :) | | Cheers, | Dave. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki5Y28ACgkQrpEWPKIUt7O2sQCgk5IMYgNB4lplfk45/JCw3Rvb o7cAoK+3yY+/qjIZx+uoq5mmVl6qukFQ =CHPQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Thursday 28 August 2008 23:25:20 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 28. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 21:03:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [snip] well, it was mostly fixed with their latest beta drivers. You mean 177.68 right? [snip] they released 177.70 today ;) I wonder what happened at nVidia recently, did their Head of Technical Research, Planning and Release Schedules die and get replaced with a bot running OSS? :-) That's three betas in less than 10 days... 'scuse me, I'm off to emerge --sync -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as your post turned into the usual kde 4 is good/bad flamewar I will just try to answer the question: The people working on the overlay plan to bringt kde 4.1.1(not 4.1.0) into the tree. This will be released on next week and enter the tree hopefully shortly after that. Also this page http://skrypuch.com/kde4/ and bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234773 might give you an idea of the progress have fun Tom BRM wrote: | I have been trying to hold out for KDE 4.1 entering the main gentoo portage tree, and some kind of announcement on the list; however, I haven't seen any and it's been a while since KDE 4.1 was released...(longer I think than it took for KDE 4.0.1 to get into the main portage tree.) | | I am not one for wanting to try doing the overlay's yet, so I have been waiting for it to enter the main portage. I haven't even seen it in as a hard mask yet. | So, I just wanted to check to see if there was any known timeline for when KDE 4.1 might enter the main portage tree, when might it go to the testing branch? | | I'd very much like to try it out when it gets to testing; and just wanted to get an idea of how long I might still need to wait. (As I said, I'm not quite up to using the overlay trees yet, of which I've seen a lot of activity regarding KDE 4.1 per the user's and AMD64 lists.) | | Any how...just curious when it will come. | | Thanks, | | Ben | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki3npAACgkQrpEWPKIUt7MypgCeOhO17TgLBt/01LPm2jaKsYXh jT0AoJF8frS/kIFsjtMK73Gt1gR/iIhe =8+cw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, as your post turned into the usual kde 4 is good/bad flamewar I will just try to answer the question: The people working on the overlay plan to bringt kde 4.1.1(not 4.1.0) into the tree. This will be released on next week and enter the tree hopefully shortly after that. Also this page http://skrypuch.com/kde4/ and bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234773 might give you an idea of the progress have fun Tom Thanks for the update. Slightly OT and planning ahead slightly, any ideas how easy it will be to upgrade from the kdesvn-portage overlay to the official ebuilds? Cheers, Dave.
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
I have been trying to hold out for KDE 4.1 entering the main gentoo portage tree, and some kind of announcement on the list; however, I haven't seen any and it's been a while since KDE 4.1 was released...(longer I think than it took for KDE 4.0.1 to get into the main portage tree.) I am not one for wanting to try doing the overlay's yet, so I have been waiting for it to enter the main portage. I haven't even seen it in as a hard mask yet. So, I just wanted to check to see if there was any known timeline for when KDE 4.1 might enter the main portage tree, when might it go to the testing branch? I'd very much like to try it out when it gets to testing; and just wanted to get an idea of how long I might still need to wait. (As I said, I'm not quite up to using the overlay trees yet, of which I've seen a lot of activity regarding KDE 4.1 per the user's and AMD64 lists.) Any how...just curious when it will come. Thanks, Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
=== On Thursday 28 August 2008, BRM wrote: === I have been trying to hold out for KDE 4.1 entering the main gentoo portage tree, and some kind of announcement on the list; however, I haven't seen any and it's been a while since KDE 4.1 was released...(longer I think than it took for KDE 4.0.1 to get into the main portage tree.) I am not one for wanting to try doing the overlay's yet, so I have been waiting for it to enter the main portage. I haven't even seen it in as a hard mask yet. So, I just wanted to check to see if there was any known timeline for when KDE 4.1 might enter the main portage tree, when might it go to the testing branch? I'd very much like to try it out when it gets to testing; and just wanted to get an idea of how long I might still need to wait. (As I said, I'm not quite up to using the overlay trees yet, of which I've seen a lot of activity regarding KDE 4.1 per the user's and AMD64 lists.) Any how...just curious when it will come. Thanks, Ben Ben, sorry, my question is OT wrt your message. Are there indeed good things (I don't mean ruches and flowers) in KDE4 to worry about them at all? Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
080828 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: 080828 BRM wrote: I have been trying to hold out for KDE 4.1 entering the Gentoo tree and some kind of announcement on the list; is there any known timeline for when KDE 4.1 might go to the testing branch? I too am waiting to see KDE 4.1 appear in the testing list. The KDE devs are always short-staffed, so let's give them a big cheer, but a few words of their plans would help KDE users (smile). Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. My estimate (also based on reading screenshots) is that it is 60 % eye candy, 30 % hype 10 % useful improvements: the basic motivation is to make it work well with Qt 4 . Dolphin is offered as a simpler alternative to Konqueror file-management, but I use CLI everyday with Krusader for heavy lifting occasionally (I also have Vifm installed, but have little actual use for it); Gwenview apparently has an improved interface; however, the Kicker panel (renamed) is still not fully configurable. Otherwise, KDE 3.5.10 was announced yesterday. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Thursday 28 August 2008 17:56:37 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ben, sorry, my question is OT wrt your message. Are there indeed good things (I don't mean ruches and flowers) in KDE4 to worry about them at all? Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. Don't even bother trying KDE4 if you have a recent nVidia card. Performance is atrocious as KDE4 uses acceleration effects in plasma etc that nVidia didn't account for in their driver, with the results that significant amounts of rendering are done using a software path (i.e. not in hardware), which is very slow. There also doesn't appear to be any quick fix coming anytime soon. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
Philip Webb wrote: 080828 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: 080828 BRM wrote: Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. My estimate (also based on reading screenshots) is that it is 60 % eye candy, 30 % hype 10 % useful improvements: the basic motivation is to make it work well with Qt 4 . Dolphin is offered as a simpler alternative to Konqueror file-management, And if I understand correctly, then main reason for Qt 4 is that KDE apps should then be able to run on other OSes (read that as windoze). I tried Dolphin on a Kubuntu system, IMO it is a giant step backwards from Konqueror (ex, no fish://). Also from what I gather KDE 4.1 is another developer release with 4.2 target as the first user (usable?) release. On the plus side, the synergy of KDE4 apps is improved (example, common address book) so we can look forward to a smoother user experience. On the negative side, the nvidia binary drivers still have major performance issues with KDE4. This is a show stopper for me. If nvidia does not fix their drivers by KDE 4.2, I'll have to replace video cards... Of course that assumes nvidia is still around after their packaging fiasco. :(
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Thursday 28 August 2008 19:29:28 Philip Webb wrote: Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. My estimate (also based on reading screenshots) is that it is 60 % eye candy, 30 % hype 10 % useful improvements: the basic motivation is to make it work well with Qt 4 . To be fair to the KDE devs, KDE4 is not meant to be a replacement for KDE3, or even a natural evolution of it. It's a break with the past and a trip down a new road in interface design. The code that has been put there forms a framework to make new stuff possible in the future, and that new stuff is intended to be very different from the usual computer desktop that is pretty much unchained since Xerox designed it 30 odd years ago. The eye-candy IS eye- candy, but it's eye-candy with a purpose and has not been done for the sake of mere bling and keeping up with the Joneses using compiz. But these new cool changes have not been written yet. Only the framework that will make them possible has been written. The apps that have been ported are by and large the existing 3.5 apps and work pretty much the same way, just as a start to get KDE4 into use. So KDE4 falls very short of being a fully usable desktop, so much so that if anyone wants the functionality of KDE-3.5, then they should stick with that branch. As traditional desktops go, there's nothing wrong with it, and it is still actively maintained. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Donnerstag, 28. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 17:56:37 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ben, sorry, my question is OT wrt your message. Are there indeed good things (I don't mean ruches and flowers) in KDE4 to worry about them at all? Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. Don't even bother trying KDE4 if you have a recent nVidia card. Performance is atrocious as KDE4 uses acceleration effects in plasma etc that nVidia didn't account for in their driver, with the results that significant amounts of rendering are done using a software path (i.e. not in hardware), which is very slow. There also doesn't appear to be any quick fix coming anytime soon. well, it was mostly fixed with their latest beta drivers.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Thursday 28 August 2008 21:03:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 28. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 17:56:37 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ben, sorry, my question is OT wrt your message. Are there indeed good things (I don't mean ruches and flowers) in KDE4 to worry about them at all? Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. Don't even bother trying KDE4 if you have a recent nVidia card. Performance is atrocious as KDE4 uses acceleration effects in plasma etc that nVidia didn't account for in their driver, with the results that significant amounts of rendering are done using a software path (i.e. not in hardware), which is very slow. There also doesn't appear to be any quick fix coming anytime soon. well, it was mostly fixed with their latest beta drivers. You mean 177.68 right? It's far from fixed here. Admittedly better than 173.*, but the vast majority of work remains to be done: translucent menu paints very slow, 3 seconds+ and jerky. Window resize slow, the content cannot keep up with a mere resize, a full repaint takes about three seconds. Window move is not perfect, but acceptable. The move motion is noticeably jerky, but the rendering of content and repainting of unobscured content below is fine. This tells me that the actual problem, as defined by AaronP on nvnews.net[1] is not being fixed in these releases, just worked around. TwinView JustWorks(tm) - what a relief! I had images of yet another massive debugging and config session when my boss proudly presented me with a brand new 17 LCD. Apparently all the sysadmins get them, just because we can :-) I'm noticing stability problems since using 177.67 - The GUI suddenly freezes solid, gkrellm stops updating, no keyboard input but mouse motion does still work. If I change to a virtual console and back to X, I get a black screen and white pointer. Luckily, I can usually log in on a virtual console and SIGHUP the window manager, this often fixes it. The only changes recently have been to e17 and the nvidia driver. I'd be tempted to say my e17 from CVS is buggy, but I get the exact same problem running KDE4, leaving the driver as the only common change. alan [1] Essentially, that most drivers when compositing are optimized for window resize in their use of video memory. nVidia instead built their stuff to optimize the common case - window refresh and move. This has the side effect of resizes falling back to a default (and excruciatingly slow) software code path. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1...
On Donnerstag, 28. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 21:03:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 28. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008 17:56:37 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ben, sorry, my question is OT wrt your message. Are there indeed good things (I don't mean ruches and flowers) in KDE4 to worry about them at all? Reading all those KDE4 reviews I really can not understand why KDE4 may be more useful for me rather KDE3. Don't even bother trying KDE4 if you have a recent nVidia card. Performance is atrocious as KDE4 uses acceleration effects in plasma etc that nVidia didn't account for in their driver, with the results that significant amounts of rendering are done using a software path (i.e. not in hardware), which is very slow. There also doesn't appear to be any quick fix coming anytime soon. well, it was mostly fixed with their latest beta drivers. You mean 177.68 right? It's far from fixed here. Admittedly better than 173.*, but the vast majority of work remains to be done: translucent menu paints very slow, 3 seconds+ and jerky. Window resize slow, the content cannot keep up with a mere resize, a full repaint takes about three seconds. Window move is not perfect, but acceptable. The move motion is noticeably jerky, but the rendering of content and repainting of unobscured content below is fine. This tells me that the actual problem, as defined by AaronP on nvnews.net[1] is not being fixed in these releases, just worked around. TwinView JustWorks(tm) - what a relief! I had images of yet another massive debugging and config session when my boss proudly presented me with a brand new 17 LCD. Apparently all the sysadmins get them, just because we can :-) I'm noticing stability problems since using 177.67 - The GUI suddenly freezes solid, gkrellm stops updating, no keyboard input but mouse motion does still work. If I change to a virtual console and back to X, I get a black screen and white pointer. Luckily, I can usually log in on a virtual console and SIGHUP the window manager, this often fixes it. The only changes recently have been to e17 and the nvidia driver. I'd be tempted to say my e17 from CVS is buggy, but I get the exact same problem running KDE4, leaving the driver as the only common change. alan [1] Essentially, that most drivers when compositing are optimized for window resize in their use of video memory. nVidia instead built their stuff to optimize the common case - window refresh and move. This has the side effect of resizes falling back to a default (and excruciatingly slow) software code path. they released 177.70 today ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1
080828 Roy Wright wrote: if I understand correctly, then main reason for Qt 4 is that KDE apps sb able to run on other OSes, eg Windoze. Yes, that's good ! -- the way to get M$ofties to use free software is to offer them our desktops apps, st the Windows OS gets orphaned. I tried Dolphin on a Kubuntu system, IMO it is a giant step backwards from Konqueror, eg no fish:// . Krusader is very good for using Ssh on a remote machine. Its devs are planning a 2.0 to match KDE 4.x . Also from what I gather KDE 4.1 is another developer release with 4.2 target as the first user (usable?) release. The KDE devs have been very apologetic re not warning enough for 4.0 . IIRC 4.2 is predicted for early 2009 should have more functions restored. the nvidia binary drivers still have major performance issues with KDE4. This is a show stopper for me. Me too. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 with connection problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I notice a net problem with the new KDE version. If I use konqueror as browser I failed each first connection trial on all website. After timeout, I must just press reload and it cnnect with the website. With Kmail if I use manual email download (or the automatic download on startup) it failed and, again, the second trial works. How can I improve it? I must use yet firefox as standard browser and wait every time to second check (and close all error pop-ups)... Thank you, Luigi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkinGYwACgkQYoDKzgS2pLN4rQCeP9IApFfWda6yQPshKU8C5PHo +wYAn1gDN1sPoq9QrIX6CVS0WlFeEDBd =pmrR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You nasty horrible terrible man you. Did you have to remind me of that? :-) Notebook was delivered 10 days ago on a Friday. That night I read the post about it on slashdot. I'm so pissed about this card that I'm tending to ignore it and hope the problems will go away (which they won't...) It's a mobo :-( That means a motherboard replacement and I don't know what Dell SA's position is on this. I'll have to check with the company account manager, but I think my only recourse is going to be a Keep the customer happy! internal POV. That and the fact that we buy truckloads of their servers, and a standard 40% discount across the board on all Dell products. Wish me luck -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com You always have the option to keep using KDE 3.5.x until your driver problems are resolved. KDE4.1 is nice, but not a must have to get work done in most cases. Good luck in any case! Dirk
[gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
Hi all, This post might be a bit vague, sorry about that, I'm not sure where to start or how to explain it. New laptop with nVidia GeForce 8600. Arch ~amd64, emerged kde-meta-4.1, but it renders exceptionally slowly on the screen when scrolling. The effect is as if something is keeping the system very busy while input actions occur: It can take 30 secs to scroll slashdot's front page from top to bottom. Any web page displayed in akregator inside kontact is even slower. When kwallet pops up asking for the master password, it misses keystrokes when typing at normal speed. Scrolling through a long mail in kmail is slightly slower than normal, but scrolling the same mail in a reply window is full speed. Konqueror in split-window mode takes a few seconds to react when navigating through directories. Firefox works normally. I use e17 as the window manager, so I'm seeing this just using KDE apps, not the whole DE. top, krells and other regular tools show the system running normally, no apparent spikes or busyness. Can anyone point me in the direction of a nice howto or the correct tools to figure out what's going on here? emerge --info: Portage 2.2_rc6 (default/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.3.1, glibc-2.8_p20080602-r0, 2.6.25-gentoo-r7 x86_64) = System uname: Linux-2.6.25-gentoo-r7-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timestamp of tree: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:33:01 + app-shells/bash: 3.2_p39 dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.1.6-r1 dev-lang/python: 2.5.2-r7 sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.0 sys-apps/openrc: 0.2.5 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r3 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.62-r1 sys-devel/automake: 1.5, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.1-r1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.18-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.4 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.25-r4 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 ~amd64 CBUILD=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/4.1/env /usr/kde/4.1/share/config /usr/kde/4.1/shutdown /usr/share/config CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/eselect/postgresql /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/php/apache2-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5/ext-active//etc/php/cli- php5/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/udev/rules.d CXXFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe DISTDIR=/var/distfiles FEATURES=distlocks metadata-transfer parallel-fetch preserve-libs sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv usersandbox GENTOO_MIRRORS=/mnt/distfiles/ ftp://ftp.is.co.za/mirror/gentoo.org/ http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo; LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 LINGUAS=en_US MAKEOPTS=-j3 PKGDIR=/var/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times -- compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 -- exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/var/portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/var/portage/local/layman/enlightenment /var/portage/local/layman/ecomp /var/portage/local/layman/sunrise /var/portage/local/layman/mozilla /var/portage/local/layman/desktop-effects /var/portage/local/layman/kdesvn-portage /var/portage/local/alan SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=X a52 aac aalib acl acpi adns aiglx alsa amd64 ao apache2 audiofile bash- completion berkdb bluetooth branding bzip2 cairo cdaudio cdr cli cracklib crypt cups curl curlwrappers cvs dbus dbx dga dri dts dv dvb dvd dvdr dvdread encode etk evo ewl exif expat fam ffmpeg firefox flac foomaticdb freetds ftp gd gdbm gif gimpglitz gnutls gpm gtk hal iconv id3tag imagemagick imap imlib ipod irda irmc jabber javascript jbig jce jpegjpeg2k kde keyring lcms ldap lesstif libc_glibc libcaca libg++ libnotify libsamplerate libsndfile libwww lm_sensors mad maildir matroska mbox mcal midi mikmod milter mime mmx mng mp3 mp3tunes mp4 mpeg mplayer mtp mudflap multilib mysql mysqli ncurses netboot nfs nptl nsplugin ntp odbc offensive ogg openal opengl openmp pam pango pcre pdf perl php plotutils pmu png posix postgres ppds pppd profile python qt- static qt3support qt4quicktime readline realmedia reflection samba sasl scanner sdl session slp sms spell spl sqlite sqlite3 ssesse2 ssl ssse3 startup-notification subversion svg sysfs sysvipc tcl tcltk tcpd tetex theora threads tidy tiff tk truetype udev unicode usb utempter vcd vim-syntax vorbis wavpack wifi wmf wxwindows x264 xattr xcomposite xine xinetd xml xorg xosd xpm xulrunner xv xvid xvmc zeroconf zlib
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
On Samstag, 9. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, This post might be a bit vague, sorry about that, I'm not sure where to start or how to explain it. New laptop with nVidia GeForce 8600. Arch ~amd64, emerged kde-meta-4.1, but it renders exceptionally slowly on the screen when scrolling. *lol* sorry but - yeah, this is a known problem with the nvidia 8XXX and 9XXX series. Their drivers is broken. KDE has a big article about it in their techbase. Also: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115916 (nVidia 8000/9000 Series Performance Issues) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=117043 (Please stop that bashing...) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=109990 (KDE4 almost unuseable) The effect is as if something is keeping the system very busy while input actions occur: It can take 30 secs to scroll slashdot's front page from top to bottom. yepp Any web page displayed in akregator inside kontact is even slower. yepp When kwallet pops up asking for the master password, it misses keystrokes when typing at normal speed. oh yes. Scrolling through a long mail in kmail is slightly slower than normal, but scrolling the same mail in a reply window is full speed. mhm Konqueror in split-window mode takes a few seconds to react when navigating through directories. yepp. Can anyone point me in the direction of a nice howto or the correct tools to figure out what's going on here? and typing something into a forum has several seconds of lag, desktop menu takes seconds to appear and more seconds to react to input, see the links above. In short, you are screwed. There is no real remedy until Nvidia fixes their broken drivers. Some stuff might help a bit - but most of the time one thing gets slightly better and another one a lot worse. The only good news: there is nothing wrong with your system.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
On Saturday 09 August 2008 10:54:15 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag, 9. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, This post might be a bit vague, sorry about that, I'm not sure where to start or how to explain it. New laptop with nVidia GeForce 8600. Arch ~amd64, emerged kde-meta-4.1, but it renders exceptionally slowly on the screen when scrolling. *lol* sorry but - yeah, this is a known problem with the nvidia 8XXX and 9XXX series. Their drivers is broken. So in other words, the short version: up creek, no paddle sigh [snip] see the links above. In short, you are screwed. There is no real remedy until Nvidia fixes their broken drivers. Some stuff might help a bit - but most of the time one thing gets slightly better and another one a lot worse. The only good news: there is nothing wrong with your system. Well that's good to know at least. The bummer is that I speced this laptop based on what I knew about nvidia's stuff. Nothing wrong in that, I was just 18 months out of date! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
On Samstag, 9. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: see the links above. In short, you are screwed. There is no real remedy until Nvidia fixes their broken drivers. Some stuff might help a bit - but most of the time one thing gets slightly better and another one a lot worse. The only good news: there is nothing wrong with your system. Well that's good to know at least. The bummer is that I speced this laptop based on what I knew about nvidia's stuff. Nothing wrong in that, I was just 18 months out of date! so you don't know about the 'nvidia mobile gpus dying like flies' problem? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/31/hp-pays-half-nvidia- problems just read the links in the text and below. Maybe you can still get a different one...?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1 apps render slowly
On Saturday 09 August 2008 21:03:37 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag, 9. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: see the links above. In short, you are screwed. There is no real remedy until Nvidia fixes their broken drivers. Some stuff might help a bit - but most of the time one thing gets slightly better and another one a lot worse. The only good news: there is nothing wrong with your system. Well that's good to know at least. The bummer is that I speced this laptop based on what I knew about nvidia's stuff. Nothing wrong in that, I was just 18 months out of date! so you don't know about the 'nvidia mobile gpus dying like flies' problem? You nasty horrible terrible man you. Did you have to remind me of that? :-) Notebook was delivered 10 days ago on a Friday. That night I read the post about it on slashdot. I'm so pissed about this card that I'm tending to ignore it and hope the problems will go away (which they won't...) http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/31/hp-pays-half-nvidia- problems just read the links in the text and below. Maybe you can still get a different one...? It's a mobo :-( That means a motherboard replacement and I don't know what Dell SA's position is on this. I'll have to check with the company account manager, but I think my only recourse is going to be a Keep the customer happy! internal POV. That and the fact that we buy truckloads of their servers, and a standard 40% discount across the board on all Dell products. Wish me luck -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I did it already. I solved emerging first qt and when it finished with its depends (about 12 qt libraries) I tried to install kde again; it worked. After about 20 compiling hours, I can try now my new desktop! Thanks a lot, Luigi Am Samstag, 2. August 2008 11:43:57 schrieb Rev. Ferris: I tried this night to build the 4.1 trees using layman and this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/KDE4 but I can't start the emerge operation because I found 2 blocking packages: [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-core (is blocking x11-libs/qt-4.3.5) [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_alpha:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.0) How can I solve this conflict? emerge -C =x11-libs/qt-4.3.5 Bye... Dirk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiVguMACgkQYoDKzgS2pLOiLACeK/IXfwsDxu4LDBXo8cFQWaMQ TjYAnR2+DeA5PbZheC1pwUFxgnxdSxgc =doOD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle venerdì 01 agosto 2008, Dirk Heinrichs ha scritto: Am Freitag, 1. August 2008 09:27:27 schrieb Rev. Ferris: I want to install the new kde 4, but I see any 4.1 version ebuild. I understood that the the series should be unmasked, but I don't know if if installation needs something special (like the new use kde-4). Anyone who installed/want to install it can help me to install too? KDE 4.1 ebuilds are not yet in the official portage tree. You can get them from the kdesvn-portage overlay. It also contains the correct files for unmasking. HTH... Dirk I tried this night to build the 4.1 trees using layman and this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/KDE4 but I can't start the emerge operation because I found 2 blocking packages: [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-core (is blocking x11-libs/qt-4.3.5) [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_alpha:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.0) I see: [ebuild NS ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.5 USE=accessibility cups dbus gif jpeg mng mysql opengl png qt3support ssl tiff xinerama zlib -debug -doc -examples -firebird -glib -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite -sqlite3 INPUT_DEVICES=-wacom How can I solve this conflict? Thanks, Luigi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiULGEACgkQYoDKzgS2pLNUSACfbKDR4O50WpTNqwyTw1GovN7V +hMAn02Tv1tHH8YX/rOeNQFkTdzSXkbp =VMy5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
On Samstag, 2. August 2008, Rev. Ferris wrote: Alle venerdì 01 agosto 2008, Dirk Heinrichs ha scritto: Am Freitag, 1. August 2008 09:27:27 schrieb Rev. Ferris: I want to install the new kde 4, but I see any 4.1 version ebuild. I understood that the the series should be unmasked, but I don't know if if installation needs something special (like the new use kde-4). Anyone who installed/want to install it can help me to install too? KDE 4.1 ebuilds are not yet in the official portage tree. You can get them from the kdesvn-portage overlay. It also contains the correct files for unmasking. HTH... Dirk I tried this night to build the 4.1 trees using layman and this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/KDE4 but I can't start the emerge operation because I found 2 blocking packages: [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-core (is blocking x11-libs/qt-4.3.5) [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_alpha:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.0) I see: [ebuild NS ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.5 USE=accessibility cups dbus gif jpeg mng mysql opengl png qt3support ssl tiff xinerama zlib -debug -doc -examples -firebird -glib -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite -sqlite3 INPUT_DEVICES=-wacom How can I solve this conflict? remove all qt versions 3 and 4.4.0
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
Am Samstag, 2. August 2008 11:43:57 schrieb Rev. Ferris: I tried this night to build the 4.1 trees using layman and this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/KDE4 but I can't start the emerge operation because I found 2 blocking packages: [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-core (is blocking x11-libs/qt-4.3.5) [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_alpha:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.0) How can I solve this conflict? emerge -C =x11-libs/qt-4.3.5 Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I want to install the new kde 4, but I see any 4.1 version ebuild. I understood that the the series should be unmasked, but I don't know if if installation needs something special (like the new use kde-4). Anyone who installed/want to install it can help me to install too? Thank you, Luigi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiSuuUACgkQYoDKzgS2pLOHQwCfVbTMIm3rRfLiTTeuD5woymTB LIkAn2HYoFQXT/QgYn0tc3bWxzy1/0B6 =telt -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.1 ebuild
Am Freitag, 1. August 2008 09:27:27 schrieb Rev. Ferris: I want to install the new kde 4, but I see any 4.1 version ebuild. I understood that the the series should be unmasked, but I don't know if if installation needs something special (like the new use kde-4). Anyone who installed/want to install it can help me to install too? KDE 4.1 ebuilds are not yet in the official portage tree. You can get them from the kdesvn-portage overlay. It also contains the correct files for unmasking. HTH... Dirk
