Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
(gramps:) I remember the good old days when a good clean old-fashioned fight to the death would sort these things out, and the winner would be right. Now we have reasoning, such a bore. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: So you found his post unhelpful, You disagree? You think that he was helpful with his KDE comment? I would be very surprised if he thought it was helpful. It wasn't written to be helpful. It was written to provoke a giggle, or perhaps nothing at all. Your reaction was completely unexpected though and quite funny. You are getting so uptight about this, and appear so offended by it all, and so sure of your own rightness, and so utterly unable to respond to a single one of my posts where I say clearly what I intended, that you have set yourself up for a right royal piss-take. So here goes: Michael, I know this dude who's selling senses of humour at rock bottom bargain prices, you interested? on second thoughts, /me wonders if I might not be in Michael's killfile by now... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Mon, 31. Mar, ionut cucu spammed my inbox with (gramps:) I remember the good old days when a good clean old-fashioned fight to the death would sort these things out, and the winner would be right. Now we have reasoning, such a bore. Good one. I lol'ed^^ -- thenybble.de/blog/ -- four bits at a time pgpPFShlhU84o.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:32:05PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked: on second thoughts, /me wonders if I might not be in Michael's killfile by now... That schmuck is already in my kill-file. But please, can we let this thread die? Must we all lower ourselves to the level of someone who can't take a joke? Lastly, for those who are still willing to take a clue: here's one of those few things from ESR that I truly agree with, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Pay attention to Be precise and informative about your problem and Volume is not precision. Regards, W -- In the well-known story of the Emperor and his new clothes, the plot hinges on the fact that no one dared tell him he was unsuited for his position! Sortir en Pantoufles: up 479 days, 12:32 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
quoth the Michael Schmarck: My attitude? Well, maybe. But I rather think it has everything to do with Alan, who made a bad comment. Have you not noticed that you are the _only_ person upset by Alan's post? Why don't you think about that for a bit It was NOT me who started the fight. It most certainly was. Alan sent an admittedly useless post, but tempered with a bit of humour. YOU missed the joke and started the fight by calling Alan a fool and an agressor which are both ad hominem attacks. YOU chose to respond instead of ignoring it as you should of. Now intead of one useless message to this thread we have 30. Good work buddy! PS: Does anyone know if Gmane features a troll filter? Dunno, but my kmail now has a Michael Schmarck filter. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:39:07 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't. I disagree with his most important point: It's no good to post as much information as possible. Instead, the amount of information posted should be condensed to only the important pieces. You have a problem to which you do not know the solution, so how are you supposed to know what is important and what is not? The answer is, you don't, because not knowing the solution means you cannot know for sure what is relevant and what is not, so err on the side of verbosity. Of course, none of this really matters as people will be hesitant to offer any advice in future, no matter how complete your post, because you have demonstrated a complete lack of civility and respect for those that you expect to help you. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01E: Timing error - Please wait. And wait. And wait. And wait. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:34:38 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: You were not supposed to post such a comment in the first place. Who dictates that? There is no list moderation except the self-moderation of the users, an none of them have objected to light-hearted comments by Alan, or other, in the past. If you don't like a reply, ignore it like an adult. -- Neil Bothwick Electrocution, n.: Burning at the stake with all the modern improvements. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:39:09 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: You have a problem to which you do not know the solution, so how are you supposed to know what is important and what is not? As it seems, I knew what was not important. Just have a look at the real root cause of the problem. Isn't hindsight wonderful? You now know what is relevant to the solution of a problem you did not understand at the time. Of course, none of this really matters as people will be hesitant to offer any advice in future, no matter how complete your post, because you have demonstrated a complete lack of civility and respect for those that you expect to help you. Oh, that's wrong. Alan very much demonstrated that he did not want to help. Why else would he have posted his snide comment? And if you look carefully, you'll see that I even treated him respectfully, when he tried to be helpful. Care to point out where I showed a complete lack of civilty? And care to point out the civilty in what Alan posted in his (maybe unintended) flamebait? This has nothing to do with Alan, (who, incidentally, has demonstrated his knowledge and willingness to help many times over) ad everything to do with your attitude. So you found his post unhelpful, well get over it. Either ignore the post or respond by expressing your views without insult. You have done yourself no favours. -- Neil Bothwick RISC: Reduced Into Silly Code signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while (and, indeed, get yourself real). Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:32:47 +0100, Stroller wrote: When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while RFC 1: Count to ten before hitting send. -- Neil Bothwick Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Saturday 29 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Oh, so it's now my fault for responding to a flamebait? Nice. It's not the aggressor who's doing something wrong? I started this, so I guess I have the right to make the following request: Can we drop this sub-thread now, please? Michael, I don't see how you could read my original post as flamebait. You were not supposed to respond, I did not intend you to take offence and it was a harmless joke. Where I come from it's a self-deprecating in-joke and it goes like this: Q: Hmmm, app xyz is broken. What could be wrong? A: It's software. Come now, you really didn't expect it to work did you? You have every right in the world to take away from this thread whatever you want, and I have now explained publicly what I meant. If we still disagree, then that's 100% fine by me but I think we should get this out of these other fine folk's inbox. You have an answer and a solution that appears to suit you. That's a good point to end this at. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On 29 Mar 2008, at 20:39, Michael Schmarck wrote: Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I, too, thought about saying something like this at the time. I'm glad you have done so and I agree with all your points. I don't. I disagree with his most important point... Yes, but you're demonstrating yourself to be a clueless idiot. Alan's reply was harmless. You're not entitled to pick on him unless you posted correctly in the first place. So, I *am* entitled. Thanks! No, you're not. You're asking for help - provide as much information as possible and please don't antagonise people (especially because they may be able to help you!). Now, please go back and read Alans first post in the thread. It absolutely did not sound, as if he even wanted to help. That doesn't matter. Please don't antagonise people, full-stop. I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Oh, so it's now my fault for responding to a flamebait? Nice. It's not the aggressor who's doing something wrong? It was NOT flamebait. It was HARMLESS. Grown up! Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
On Tuesday 25 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: I'll crawl back into my KDE and e17 fanboy clubhouse and shut up now. It would've been better if you would've just shut up right from the beginning - or simply post helpful comments. The latter would be the preferred option, as far as I'm concerned. Michael PS: Does anyone know if Gmane features a troll filter? touchy, touchy. It's a joke, something humans do on slow news days like today. I'm very sorry you didn't appreciate it, but life's like that sometimes. It's also rather common on this list, probably because it relieves the tedium of the work we do. Here's what I suggest: go outside, look at the big orange ball in the sky, take a deep breath and count to 10. Then realise that humans are quirky, gentoo users even more so. If you then re-read my original, and admittedly value-less post with questionable humour, you will see that no sane rational person should ever have taken it seriously. Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. Nonetheless I shall try, so please provide the following: 1. the output of lspci as it relates to audio so we can see what hardware you have 2. What engine does rhythmbox use? gstreamer? If so, do other gstreamer apps work correctly on your box? 3. With what options did you compile rhythmbox and gstreamer (if applicable)? 4. Lastly, this is out on left field, please confirm that rhythmbox is indeed using alsa and not oss -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
