Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:46:09 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: --deep is dangerous! I have stopped using --deep ages ago. As an example: there is an --deep update for libFOO.1 to libFOO.1.1. You make this update which only shows up with --deep Suddenly all apps, linking to libFOO.1 are dead or crashy or acting weired. Dropping --deep won't stop that happening, only delay it. sooner or later, one of your packages will need libFOO.1.1 and it will be installed. --deep doesn't cause this problem, it only affects the timing. That happened to me several times. I see NO reason to use deep. Ever. How about this instance? The OP wants all packages affected by the profile change to be updated. Without --deep, that won't happen. Reduced the occurences where I have to use revdep-rebuilt to almost nil (except that expat tragedy some weeks ago. Man that sucked ;) ). I do a deep update every day, on various architectures. I run revdep-rebuild -p occasionally, just to make sure everything is consistent, it rarely picks up anything. --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. -- Neil Bothwick Machine-independent: Does not run on any existing machine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:46:09 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: --deep is dangerous! I have stopped using --deep ages ago. As an example: there is an --deep update for libFOO.1 to libFOO.1.1. You make this update which only shows up with --deep Suddenly all apps, linking to libFOO.1 are dead or crashy or acting weired. Dropping --deep won't stop that happening, only delay it. sooner or later, one of your packages will need libFOO.1.1 and it will be installed. --deep doesn't cause this problem, it only affects the timing. Yep. That happened to me several times. I see NO reason to use deep. Ever. How about this instance? The OP wants all packages affected by the profile change to be updated. Without --deep, that won't happen. Yep here too. Reduced the occurences where I have to use revdep-rebuilt to almost nil (except that expat tragedy some weeks ago. Man that sucked ;) ). I do a deep update every day, on various architectures. I run revdep-rebuild -p occasionally, just to make sure everything is consistent, it rarely picks up anything. I do the same thing. That is one reason it is there, to fix things like this. --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. Yep. Sometimes you have to do it just because you got to. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Friday 02 June 2006 09:48, Neil Bothwick wrote: --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. and I really do not believe that ;) If a package is 'hit' by the new flag, --newuse should cover it. With or without --deep- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:44:46 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. and I really do not believe that ;) Believe what you like, I am relating direct experiences here. Faith has nothing to do with it. If a package is 'hit' by the new flag, --newuse should cover it. With or without --deep- When run with --update only, emerge considers only those packages listed in world and their direct dependencies. Lower level dependencies won't be looked at, so portage won;t pick up the changed USE flag. From the man page --deep (-D) When used in conjunction with --update, this flag forces emerge to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly listed in the dependencies of a package. -- Neil Bothwick Did you sleep well? No, I made a couple of mistakes. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
At Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:29:10 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:48:21 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. no you have not: emerge -a --newuse world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. and I can't remember that this was different in the past. Yes it was. Adding --update pulled in extra packages, even though they were the same version as installed. This was somewhat counter-intuitive, so the new behaviour makes more sense. You should still need --deep though. Which version of emerge/portage is being discussed? I am running portage-2.0.54-r2. The man page for emerge suggests (but does not state) that --update is still needed. --update (-u) Updates packages to the best version available, which may not always be the highest version number due to masking for testing and development. This will also update direct dependencies which may not be what you want. In general, use this option only in combination with the world or system target. I also don't see an explicit mention that --newuse implies --update --newuse (-N) Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since compilation. An asterisk marks when a USE flag has changed since the package was compiled. Thanks in advance for the clarification and also a general thank you for your high-quality contributions to the newsgroup. allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Friday 02 June 2006 16:00, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:44:46 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. and I really do not believe that ;) Believe what you like, I am relating direct experiences here. Faith has nothing to do with it. If a package is 'hit' by the new flag, --newuse should cover it. With or without --deep- When run with --update only, emerge considers only those packages listed in world and their direct dependencies. Lower level dependencies won't be looked at, so portage won;t pick up the changed USE flag. From the man page --deep (-D) When used in conjunction with --update, this flag forces emerge to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly listed in the dependencies of a package. UPDATES not NEWUSE also from man emerge: --newuse (-N) Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since compilation. An asterisk marks when a USE flag has changed since the package was compiled. and I have seen 'far away' dependencies, that got rebuild, without deep! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Friday 02 June 2006 18:33, Allan Gottlieb wrote: At Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:29:10 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:48:21 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. no you have not: emerge -a --newuse world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. and I can't remember that this was different in the past. Yes it was. Adding --update pulled in extra packages, even though they were the same version as installed. This was somewhat counter-intuitive, so the new behaviour makes more sense. You should still need --deep though. Which version of emerge/portage is being discussed? I am running portage-2.0.54-r2. The man page for emerge suggests (but does not state) that --update is still needed. --update (-u) Updates packages to the best version available, which may not always be the highest version number due to masking for testing and development. This will also update direct dependencies which may not be what you want. In general, use this option only in combination with the world or system target. I also don't see an explicit mention that --newuse implies --update it is not in the manpage, but emerge tells it: emerge -pN world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating world dependencies . . . -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:33:39 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: Which version of emerge/portage is being discussed? 2.1-rc3 I also don't see an explicit mention that --newuse implies --update --newuse (-N) Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since compilation. An asterisk marks when a USE flag has changed since the package was compiled. The man page hasn't changed in this respect, but emerge --newuse informs you that it will add --update for you. -- Neil Bothwick Windows '96 artificial intelligence: Unable to FORMAT A: Having a go at C: signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Friday 02 June 2006 16:00, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:44:46 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: --deep is an option, and I understand why you choose not to use it, but on this occasion it is necessary to accomplish the OP's goal. and I really do not believe that ;) Believe what you like, I am relating direct experiences here. Faith has nothing to do with it. If a package is 'hit' by the new flag, --newuse should cover it. With or without --deep- When run with --update only, emerge considers only those packages listed in world and their direct dependencies. Lower level dependencies won't be looked at, so portage won;t pick up the changed USE flag. From the man page --deep (-D) When used in conjunction with --update, this flag forces emerge to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly listed in the dependencies of a package. UPDATES not NEWUSE also from man emerge: --newuse (-N) Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since compilation. An asterisk marks when a USE flag has changed since the package was compiled. and I have seen 'far away' dependencies, that got rebuild, without deep! It seems me and Neil has seen times where it didn't. I have used -D several times and it has not caused me any problems. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
At Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:47:03 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:33:39 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: Which version of emerge/portage is being discussed? 2.1-rc3 That explains why I didn't see it. Thanks. allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: I was going to switch to nptl (only) but emerge ignored my additions to make.conf. Then I noticed that my profile is default-linux/x86/no-nptl so that answers that question. Can I change my profile to default-linux/x86/2006.0. Any repercussions? Here is my emerge --info: Portage 2.0.54-r2 (default-linux/x86/no-nptl, gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.3.6-r3, 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686) = System uname: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14 dev-lang/python: 2.4.2 snip Never mind. I made a backup and went and changed the profile, switched to nptl and nptlonly. No repercussions so far. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Thursday 01 June 2006 22:43, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Anthony E. Caudel wrote: I was going to switch to nptl (only) but emerge ignored my additions to make.conf. Then I noticed that my profile is default-linux/x86/no-nptl so that answers that question. Can I change my profile to default-linux/x86/2006.0. Any repercussions? Here is my emerge --info: Portage 2.0.54-r2 (default-linux/x86/no-nptl, gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.3.6-r3, 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686) = System uname: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14 dev-lang/python: 2.4.2 snip Never mind. I made a backup and went and changed the profile, switched to nptl and nptlonly. No repercussions so far. don't forget to check the useflags (with ufed), and don't forget emerge --newuse -a world -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:10:36 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: don't forget to check the useflags (with ufed), and don't forget emerge --newuse -a world You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. -- Neil Bothwick This project is so important, we can't let things that are more important interfere with it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Thursday 01 June 2006 23:53, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:10:36 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: don't forget to check the useflags (with ufed), and don't forget emerge --newuse -a world You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. no you have not: emerge -a --newuse world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. and I can't remember that this was different in the past. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:48:21 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. no you have not: emerge -a --newuse world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. and I can't remember that this was different in the past. Yes it was. Adding --update pulled in extra packages, even though they were the same version as installed. This was somewhat counter-intuitive, so the new behaviour makes more sense. You should still need --deep though. -- Neil Bothwick The best antiques are old friends. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
On Friday 02 June 2006 01:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:48:21 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. no you have not: emerge -a --newuse world --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. and I can't remember that this was different in the past. Yes it was. Adding --update pulled in extra packages, even though they were the same version as installed. This was somewhat counter-intuitive, so the new behaviour makes more sense. You should still need --deep though. --deep is dangerous! I have stopped using --deep ages ago. As an example: there is an --deep update for libFOO.1 to libFOO.1.1. You make this update which only shows up with --deep Suddenly all apps, linking to libFOO.1 are dead or crashy or acting weired. That happened to me several times. I see NO reason to use deep. Ever. Reduced the occurences where I have to use revdep-rebuilt to almost nil (except that expat tragedy some weeks ago. Man that sucked ;) ). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Change profile
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:10:36 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: don't forget to check the useflags (with ufed), and don't forget emerge --newuse -a world You'll need to add --update --deep to catch packages affected by the changed USE flags. Did. Thanks and all is working. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
