Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
Hi, On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do? Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm astonished that someone doesn't know that. If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to know what the jumper is for. There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave... In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess. -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
Hans-Werner Hilse schrieb: Hi, On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do? Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm astonished that someone doesn't know that. If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to know what the jumper is for. There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave... In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess. -hwh Or they restrict themselves to a lower capacity in order to work with an old bios. Mine do, for example. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
Hello Dan Farrell, Seagate's customer service I've never dealt with. I just send in the drive, and a working one comes back in 60 days or so. That is customer service, albeit rather slow service. IBM replaced a faulty Deathstar drive in less than two weeks. -- Neil Bothwick Veni, vermini, vomui I came, I got ratted, I threw up signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On 25 Sep 2007, at 20:57, Marzan, Richard non Unisys wrote: ... MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive And who owns Maxtor?... Microsoft Windows Sucks, but that doesn't mean Xbox sucks because they're owned by MS. This isn't a great example. I have a customer with 3 dead Xbox 360s which display 3 red lights. This is fundamentally caused by producing cheap hardware with poor quality control on the research development process - it's a design fault that these units overheat. Microsoft have now acknowledged this particular fault and will replace units upto 3 years old if they're displaying this problem, but they have only recently done so, and many customers were previously disappointed that their 360s died outside of warranty. My customer is fortunate that he held onto his stacked them in a corner - I have no doubt that many were binned and ended up in landfill as they were considered beyond economic repair. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:20:10 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and fstab, of course. changing the jumpers on the two drives? You generally don't have to change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS (or physically), although it might be necessary in certain circumstances I guess. The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need for certain tasks. If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
--- Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dan Farrell, Seagate's customer service I've never dealt with. I just send in the drive, and a working one comes back in 60 days or so. That is customer service, albeit rather slow service. IBM replaced a faulty Deathstar drive in less than two weeks. My SATA drive, Western Digital, was replaced in three days. The tech took my card number and immediately sent off the new drive with the proviso that he would charge me for the new one if the old one didn't arrive in 30 days. -- Neil Bothwick Veni, vermini, vomui I came, I got ratted, I threw up Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do? Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm astonished that someone doesn't know that. If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to know what the jumper is for. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm astonished that someone doesn't know that. If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to know what the jumper is for. Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:38:44 -0500 Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). Some bioses also support swapping device priority in the bios's software. I seem to have forgotten entirely about the master/slave thing... it's been a while since I put two drives on one cable. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. ... Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive BillK -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. ... Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive BillK Same here on mine. My cables are straight through and I use the jumper to select which is master/slave. My BIOS is always set to boot hd0 or something like that. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 08:47 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote: Determines if the drive is master or slave in the BIOS. ... Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive (which are prone to error). Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a multidrive situation? So I have always manually set master/slave by jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination. I _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable select. Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed for me, resulting in no drives being detected. but maybe that's just me...! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au printk(KERN_CRIT PFX Reboot didn't ?\n); linux-2.6.6/drivers/char/watchdog/softdog.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:27 +0930 Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination. I _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable select. Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed for me, resulting in no drives being detected. but maybe that's just me...! Actually I do that too, but as little as possible. I just put grub on the master drive and then, if i'm worried about isolating windows and linux, i can install windows normally on a seperate drive with the linux drive disabled or unplugged. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT), maxim wexler wrote: No other problems w/ the drive. Drive is Maxtor 120G IDE. Very low hours on it. emerge smartmontools and run smartctl on the drive. -- Neil Bothwick There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Dienstag, 25. September 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
Hi group,
Just noticed this in dmesg:
snip
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
hda: DMA disabled
ide0: reset: success
snip
So far I've changed the cable and turned on
IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE in the kernel.
No other problems w/ the drive.
Drive is Maxtor 120G IDE. Very low hours on it.
so it is still covered by warranty? Replace it!
Can I just let this slide?
no, replace it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Dienstag, 25. September 2007, maxim wexler wrote: Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and fstab, of course. have the drives switched places too? with udma133 the place of the drive on the cable becomes important again. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
so it is still covered by warranty? Replace it! Can I just let this slide? no, replace it. Tried to. Maxtor insists that you run a special boot disk which supposedly spits out a number code that tells them what the problem is. Every time I ran the program it said my drive was fine. No code, no replacement. The problem I was having then was the drive could not be booted from the very beginning. You could dual boot from another drive or another partition OK by tweaking grub. But this particular problem is something new. Maxtor was very unhelpful and linux-illiterate. I won't be buying another drive from them if I can avoid it. mw Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Dienstag, 25. September 2007, maxim wexler wrote: so it is still covered by warranty? Replace it! Can I just let this slide? no, replace it. Tried to. Maxtor insists that you run a special boot disk which supposedly spits out a number code that tells them what the problem is. Every time I ran the program it said my drive was fine. No code, no replacement. The problem I was having then was the drive could not be booted from the very beginning. You could dual boot from another drive or another partition OK by tweaking grub. But this particular problem is something new. Maxtor was very unhelpful and linux-illiterate. I won't be buying another drive from them if I can avoid it. when I asked my local hardware 'dealer' which drives have the highest return rate he instantly said 'maxtor' -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:00:22 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maxtor was very unhelpful and linux-illiterate. I won't be buying another drive from them if I can avoid it. MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive without much hassle, and they aren't too expensive. They last a while too. It takes a while, but they'll eventually ship you a working drive. I have also had good luck with samsung spinpoint drives on the low end of the market. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and fstab, of course. changing the jumpers on the two drives? You generally don't have to change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS (or physically), although it might be necessary in certain circumstances I guess. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:28 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive And who owns Maxtor?... -- Neil Bothwick Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:08 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast? On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:28 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive And who owns Maxtor?... -- Neil Bothwick Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all? Microsoft Windows Sucks, but that doesn't mean Xbox sucks because they're owned by MS. Maybe the Maxtor division uses a different manufacturing process with lower quality materials/technology than the Seagate factory. What's next? Intel sucks because the Celeron has low or almost no L1/2 cache. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
Hello Marzan, Richard non Unisys, MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive And who owns Maxtor?... Microsoft Windows Sucks, but that doesn't mean Xbox sucks because they're owned by MS. Maybe the Maxtor division uses a different manufacturing process with lower quality materials/technology than the Seagate factory. The comment was about customer service and attitude too. Even if they keep both manufacturing lines, you would expect them to now have similar levels of service. -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, realising that Tiggers really are wonderful things. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:45:40 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Marzan, Richard non Unisys, MAxtor sucks in my opinion. Seagate will replace a warrantied drive And who owns Maxtor?... Microsoft Windows Sucks, but that doesn't mean Xbox sucks because they're owned by MS. Maybe the Maxtor division uses a different manufacturing process with lower quality materials/technology than the Seagate factory. The comment was about customer service and attitude too. Even if they keep both manufacturing lines, you would expect them to now have similar levels of service. Seagate's customer service I've never dealt with. I just send in the drive, and a working one comes back in 60 days or so. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum
--- Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the BIOS to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and fstab, of course. changing the jumpers on the two drives? You generally don't have to change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS (or physically), although it might be necessary in certain circumstances I guess. The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need for certain tasks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
