Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I did my update and noticed the message about changes to kernel > packages. Depending on how I read it, it sounds like gentoo-sources is > still available just that older versions are no longer updated as long. > If I read it a different way, it sounds like gentoo-sources is about to > stop existing. That last one doesn't sound right. I can't imagine it > just going away since there are Gentoo specific stuff in there, openrc I > think being one option lurking about somewhere. I think there is others > but been a while since I been poking around in there. gentoo-sources is > hanging around right? > > Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. It works but is > old. No new types of hardware. Most stuff I buy is older just because > it tends to be more supported anyway. I tried a good while back to > upgrade to 6.1.55 which sort of boots I think but something doesn't work > and all I get is a console. It's been a while since I tried it but it > did fail several times. I did the upgrade the usual way. I used make > oldconfig and went through all the answers which are mostly no since I > still have old hardware. Is there a better way than oldconfig? Is > there a way to start from scratch and list all the stuff that is on in > the old kernel and then compare that to the newer kernel so I can just > enable what is different but I need? I'd rather avoid going through all > the menus hoping I recognize everything. I forget what I went to the > kitchen for. Remembering kernel options from years ago is likely to not > end well. :/ > > Is it possible that version of kernel had bad bugs that made it a bad > idea with hindsight? I plan to upgrade to the newest version in the > tree if I try again. > > Any thoughts? Ideas? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > Update. As some know, I rarely reboot. Today, I rebooted. I had to replace UPS batteries. I had a problem but will start another thread about that shortly. I finally got a newer kernel that works. Awesome I'm on version 6.7.1-gentoo now. I figured out what wasn't working before, the mouse. I had a pointer but it wouldn't move. I found the mouse stuff on the wiki and for some silly reason, the needed options wasn't enabled in the kernel by default. Why someone wouldn't set a mouse to enabled by default is beyond me. I suspect the defaults came from the kernel sources not Gentoo devs tho. Anyway, I rebooted and despite my other problem I had to fix, everything works now. I'm gonna try to update more often but not booting very often makes that kinda hard. :/ At least I got a few years to worry about upgrading kernels again. ;-) Thanks to all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
On 1/22/24 04:17, Arve Barsnes wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 at 23:39, Jack wrote: On 2024.01.21 15:51, Jack wrote: discussions about how many and which kernels (gentoo-sources, and possibly others) will ever get marked Stable. I believe it is something like only series marked "longterm" at kernel.org will get marked stable, and I think it is not even all of them, although I don't recall how they choose which in each series do get stabilized. As 6.6 and 6.7 are "stable" at kernel.org, none of them will be "stable" in Gentoo. And clearly I'm wrong, at least partly, as 6.6.13 was just marked stable. The policy now as I understand it, is that the last release of the year gets chosen as the next LTS release. This was 6.6 in 2023. To check/confirm which branches are LTS, see https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html I suppose it's just a presentation inconsistency. https://www.kernel.org still shows 6.6 as stable, not yet longterm. I'm sure they will update that eventually
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 at 23:39, Jack wrote: > On 2024.01.21 15:51, Jack wrote: > > discussions about how many and which kernels (gentoo-sources, and > > possibly others) will ever get marked Stable. I believe it is > > something like only series marked "longterm" at kernel.org will get > > marked stable, and I think it is not even all of them, although I > > don't recall how they choose which in each series do get stabilized. > > As 6.6 and 6.7 are "stable" at kernel.org, none of them will be > > "stable" in Gentoo. > And clearly I'm wrong, at least partly, as 6.6.13 was just marked > stable. The policy now as I understand it, is that the last release of the year gets chosen as the next LTS release. This was 6.6 in 2023. To check/confirm which branches are LTS, see https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html Regards, Arve
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
On 2024.01.21 15:51, Jack wrote: On 1/21/24 14:55, Philip Webb wrote: 240121 Michael wrote: On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. I need to add 'fuse' support to my kernel to allow file transfer from my cell phone, so it seemed sensible to update to the latest stable version. The current version is 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 , which I compiled 230726. I was very surprised to find that the latest stable version is 6.1.67 , tho' 6.7.1 is listed as testing with others in between. Isn't this a bit slow ? -- no complaint re the hard-working dev's, of course. Have there been problems with more recent versions ? I'm reluctant to use a testing-version kernel. All are 'Gentoo-sources', which is what I've always used since 2003. The policy must be/should be around somewhere, but I recall discussions about how many and which kernels (gentoo-sources, and possibly others) will ever get marked Stable. I believe it is something like only series marked "longterm" at kernel.org will get marked stable, and I think it is not even all of them, although I don't recall how they choose which in each series do get stabilized. As 6.6 and 6.7 are "stable" at kernel.org, none of them will be "stable" in Gentoo. And clearly I'm wrong, at least partly, as 6.6.13 was just marked stable.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
On 1/21/24 14:55, Philip Webb wrote: 240121 Michael wrote: On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. I need to add 'fuse' support to my kernel to allow file transfer from my cell phone, so it seemed sensible to update to the latest stable version. The current version is 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 , which I compiled 230726. I was very surprised to find that the latest stable version is 6.1.67 , tho' 6.7.1 is listed as testing with others in between. Isn't this a bit slow ? -- no complaint re the hard-working dev's, of course. Have there been problems with more recent versions ? I'm reluctant to use a testing-version kernel. All are 'Gentoo-sources', which is what I've always used since 2003. The policy must be/should be around somewhere, but I recall discussions about how many and which kernels (gentoo-sources, and possibly others) will ever get marked Stable. I believe it is something like only series marked "longterm" at kernel.org will get marked stable, and I think it is not even all of them, although I don't recall how they choose which in each series do get stabilized. As 6.6 and 6.7 are "stable" at kernel.org, none of them will be "stable" in Gentoo.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
240121 Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: >> Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. > This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release > 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. I need to add 'fuse' support to my kernel to allow file transfer from my cell phone, so it seemed sensible to update to the latest stable version. The current version is 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 , which I compiled 230726. I was very surprised to find that the latest stable version is 6.1.67 , tho' 6.7.1 is listed as testing with others in between. Isn't this a bit slow ? -- no complaint re the hard-working dev's, of course. Have there been problems with more recent versions ? I'm reluctant to use a testing-version kernel. All are 'Gentoo-sources', which is what I've always used since 2003. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I did my update and noticed the message about changes to kernel >> packages. Depending on how I read it, it sounds like gentoo-sources is >> still available just that older versions are no longer updated as long. >> If I read it a different way, it sounds like gentoo-sources is about to >> stop existing. That last one doesn't sound right. I can't imagine it >> just going away since there are Gentoo specific stuff in there, openrc I >> think being one option lurking about somewhere. I think there is others >> but been a while since I been poking around in there. gentoo-sources is >> hanging around right? > What was the message? > This was a good while back. I mostly remember it not giving me a GUI like usual. I do recall emerging the video drivers for that kernel tho. I'm pretty sure it didn't panic, just left me at a console. I'm not 100% sure tho. >> Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. > This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release > 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. > I'm wanting to upgrade to whatever the latest is that nvidia will work with. >> I tried a good while back to >> upgrade to 6.1.55 which sort of boots I think but something doesn't work >> and all I get is a console. It's been a while since I tried it but it >> did fail several times. > What messages were printed on the console by the kernel? Did it segfault? > No clue. It was months ago at least. >> I did the upgrade the usual way. I used make >> oldconfig and went through all the answers which are mostly no since I >> still have old hardware. Is there a better way than oldconfig? > This has served me well for ever and a day. The only time I recall having a > problem was when I missed out some graphics drivers change. The error > message > in the console pointed me to the right direction. > > That has always been my case as well. I've used make oldconfig and it just worked. This time was the exception. >> Is >> there a way to start from scratch and list all the stuff that is on in >> the old kernel and then compare that to the newer kernel so I can just >> enable what is different but I need? I'd rather avoid going through all >> the menus hoping I recognize everything. I forget what I went to the >> kitchen for. Remembering kernel options from years ago is likely to not >> end well. :/ > You can run oldconfig and *carefully* examine the new options proposed, > before > you accept of reject them. > > Use the kernel's /usr/src/linux/scripts/diffconfig tool to compare and > contrast differences between the old config and the new config. This will > show > you what's changed. > > You could start with the latest ~amd64 kernel and work backward, or start > with > the next stable release from the one you're running. If you try to report a > bug the devs will ask you to start with the latest ~amd64 release anyway, so > this could save you time. > > Post boot errors and messages in case someone has a clue as to what may be > missing from your kernel config. I'll keep this in mind. I'm working on gentoo-sources-6.7.1 if nvidia-drivers will work with it. Sometimes they won't emerge, to new or something. It usually spits out a error why and how to work around it, usually a slightly older kernel version or enable some option. ;-) With this info, at least it doesn't look like something has changed and I'm far afield. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I did my update and noticed the message about changes to kernel > packages. Depending on how I read it, it sounds like gentoo-sources is > still available just that older versions are no longer updated as long. > If I read it a different way, it sounds like gentoo-sources is about to > stop existing. That last one doesn't sound right. I can't imagine it > just going away since there are Gentoo specific stuff in there, openrc I > think being one option lurking about somewhere. I think there is others > but been a while since I been poking around in there. gentoo-sources is > hanging around right? What was the message? > Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. > I tried a good while back to > upgrade to 6.1.55 which sort of boots I think but something doesn't work > and all I get is a console. It's been a while since I tried it but it > did fail several times. What messages were printed on the console by the kernel? Did it segfault? > I did the upgrade the usual way. I used make > oldconfig and went through all the answers which are mostly no since I > still have old hardware. Is there a better way than oldconfig? This has served me well for ever and a day. The only time I recall having a problem was when I missed out some graphics drivers change. The error message in the console pointed me to the right direction. > Is > there a way to start from scratch and list all the stuff that is on in > the old kernel and then compare that to the newer kernel so I can just > enable what is different but I need? I'd rather avoid going through all > the menus hoping I recognize everything. I forget what I went to the > kitchen for. Remembering kernel options from years ago is likely to not > end well. :/ You can run oldconfig and *carefully* examine the new options proposed, before you accept of reject them. Use the kernel's /usr/src/linux/scripts/diffconfig tool to compare and contrast differences between the old config and the new config. This will show you what's changed. You could start with the latest ~amd64 kernel and work backward, or start with the next stable release from the one you're running. If you try to report a bug the devs will ask you to start with the latest ~amd64 release anyway, so this could save you time. Post boot errors and messages in case someone has a clue as to what may be missing from your kernel config. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 06:33:38PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer. As long as you ignore the unfixable security issues even by microcode of core2 duos ;-). -v please Maybe he's referring to this: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118296441702631
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Am 24.01.2013 00:27, schrieb Silvio Siefke: Hello, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:48:49 +0100 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: [...] What kind of workload do we talk about? Properly niced and ioniced compile jobs? Is the freeze temporary? If I run a program, depending on the size the System Freeze for few seconds. When i start emerge -s, emerge --sync, emerge what ever the system freeze. Its ever temporary but its make crazy. Hmm, the last time I encountered something like this, DMA was deactivated for the hard disk. That happened because the wrong driver (generic IDE) took over. What raw throughput do you get? `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4M count=100 iflag=direct` Odd. Maybe GPU related? Again, does the system recover? No GPU is deactivated. When have more then 10 tabs, system hang. You mean you have not enabled drm and/or use the generic vesa driver? Maybe something is trying to use opengl and software emulation slows you down. Doesn't surprise me. P4 and Atom are both horrible micro architectures. But Atom is also horribly stripped down and has a lower clock frequency. Oh, okay i know Atom is shit, but P4. Which architecture is recommended for? P4s suffer because their pipeline is very long and poorly utilized. In fact, they can execute fewer instructions per clock tick than a P3. Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Overheating problem? Considering it's about a Pentium 4, that seems a likely cause. Which P4 i has not so probs. The probs come with Atom. Older systems used to reset on overheat so it was obviously hardware. Newer cpus actually halt and then continue operation. Most of the time you won't notice, your laptop will just run slower than the spec would suggest. Some laptops never actually use the cpu fully from day one and so things like dust or a failing fan may make it very noticeable. Could be lots of things but I would check your temp sensors from the os or bios before the kernel. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer. As long as you ignore the unfixable security issues even by microcode of core2 duos ;-). -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Hello,
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:31:10 +
Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Could be lots of things but I would check your temp sensors from
the os or bios before the kernel.
is lmsensors ok?
siefke@gentoo-mobile : ~ $ sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:+52.0°C (crit = +98.0°C)
coretemp-isa-
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +38.0°C (crit = +90.0°C)
Maybe is make.conf the wrong way?
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mfpmath=sse
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
Thank you Regards
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Hello, On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:27:17 +0100 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: You mean you have not enabled drm and/or use the generic vesa driver? Maybe something is trying to use opengl and software emulation slows you down. In Opera no, in other i not have really something change in config files. P4s suffer because their pipeline is very long and poorly utilized. In fact, they can execute fewer instructions per clock tick than a P3. Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer. I have look for new Netbook today. Maybe should buy one with i3 or i5, what is so with AMD? Is there something intresting? Thank you Greetings Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 06:33:38PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer. As long as you ignore the unfixable security issues even by microcode of core2 duos ;-). -v please -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Does fuzzy logic tickle? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 06:53:15PM +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: Hello, i want ask some questions for the Kernel. How do I find dependencies of each option? Are there patches for older computers? I use the good old Pentium 4 on the desktop and an atom on the laptop. But I have often the problem when the computer has much to do, that the system freeze. That's on the atom often so. The opera is my favorite Browser, but often the call on a website and the result end in freeze. What is really strange, when i run emerge --sync ; emerge -avuDN @world, the Pentium 4 is faster as the Atom. Is that normal? gentoo-desk src # uname -a Linux gentoo-desk.silviosiefke.de 3.2.34 #1 SMP Mon Nov 19 14:23:14 CET 2012 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux siefke@gentoo-mobile : ~ $ uname -a Linux gentoo-mobile 3.7.4 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 07:01:32 CET 2013 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux I has read in the Kernel Project of Gentoo something from ck-patchset. Is that good for that problems which i have, or has read wrong? It were nice some can share the own expirence. The Kernel is so hard to understand, when take off a option, other option run not. I really not know what i need and what need. Hope can understand what i mean. Thank you for help. Greetings Silvio Please read Linux Kernel in a Nutshell. You can: emerge -av app-doc/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell and also read it online: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ Cheers, Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Am 22.01.2013 19:43, schrieb Bruce Hill: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 06:53:15PM +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: Hello, i want ask some questions for the Kernel. How do I find dependencies of each option? In menuconfig, when you open the help on an item, there is a line Depends on. If the requirement is not met, the option is not visible but can be found by searching (press /). There might also be a line Selects which contains automatically activated dependencies and Selected by which contains the reverse dependencies. Are there patches for older computers? Don't think so. If there is a regression, it should get fixed in the main line kernel. I use the good old Pentium 4 on the desktop and an atom on the laptop. But I have often the problem when the computer has much to do, that the system freeze. What kind of workload do we talk about? Properly niced and ioniced compile jobs? Is the freeze temporary? That's on the atom often so. The opera is my favorite Browser, but often the call on a website and the result end in freeze. Odd. Maybe GPU related? Again, does the system recover? What is really strange, when i run emerge --sync ; emerge -avuDN @world, the Pentium 4 is faster as the Atom. Is that normal? Doesn't surprise me. P4 and Atom are both horrible micro architectures. But Atom is also horribly stripped down and has a lower clock frequency. [...] It were nice some can share the own expirence. The Kernel is so hard to understand, when take off a option, other option run not. I really not know what i need and what need. Please read Linux Kernel in a Nutshell. You can: emerge -av app-doc/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell and also read it online: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ +1 Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 08:48:49PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 22.01.2013 19:43, schrieb Bruce Hill: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 06:53:15PM +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: Hello, i want ask some questions for the Kernel. How do I find dependencies of each option? In menuconfig, when you open the help on an item, there is a line Depends on. If the requirement is not met, the option is not visible but can be found by searching (press /). By happy accident I found out that those can be shown with the Z key. There might also be a line Selects which contains automatically activated dependencies and Selected by which contains the reverse dependencies. Are there patches for older computers? Don't think so. If there is a regression, it should get fixed in the main line kernel. In recent news the support for i386 processors was dropped. So your Pentium 4 still has a few years to go. :) I use the good old Pentium 4 on the desktop and an atom on the laptop. But I have often the problem when the computer has much to do, that the system freeze. Overheating problem? Considering it's about a Pentium 4, that seems a likely cause. That's on the atom often so. The opera is my favorite Browser, but often the call on a website and the result end in freeze. Odd. Maybe GPU related? Again, does the system recover? Do both systems freeze on that website? That seems strange. I, too, have an Atom Netbook, though with an N450 which has Hyperthreading. It is not fast; it takes 17 seconds to load Firefox, but I had no freezes yet. The only problem I have so far is that mplayer often crashes when going to/from fullscreen if its video output is set to OpenGL. The N270 is an early model, perhaps some other hardware in the netbook is slowly dying. What is really strange, when i run emerge --sync ; emerge -avuDN @world, the Pentium 4 is faster as the Atom. Is that normal? Well, on the other hand, you can count the Watts an Atom consumes with one hand. For the P4 you'd need the hands of up to 12 people. That difference has to come from somewhere. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. The power of the press is most prominently felt by grapes. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Hello, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:43:53 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Please read Linux Kernel in a Nutshell. You can: emerge -av app-doc/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell and also read it online: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ thanks for the Link. I will read it. Thank you Greetings Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
Hello, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:48:49 +0100 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: In menuconfig, when you open the help on an item, there is a line Depends on. If the requirement is not met, the option is not visible but can be found by searching (press /). There might also be a line Selects which contains automatically activated dependencies and Selected by which contains the reverse dependencies. Yes this option i know. I thought it is an option that can automatically filter. Don't think so. If there is a regression, it should get fixed in the main line kernel. Ok. What kind of workload do we talk about? Properly niced and ioniced compile jobs? Is the freeze temporary? If I run a program, depending on the size the System Freeze for few seconds. When i start emerge -s, emerge --sync, emerge what ever the system freeze. Its ever temporary but its make crazy. Odd. Maybe GPU related? Again, does the system recover? No GPU is deactivated. When have more then 10 tabs, system hang. Doesn't surprise me. P4 and Atom are both horrible micro architectures. But Atom is also horribly stripped down and has a lower clock frequency. Oh, okay i know Atom is shit, but P4. Which architecture is recommended for? Thank you Regards Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:46:31 +0100 Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: In recent news the support for i386 processors was dropped. So your Pentium 4 still has a few years to go. :) Yes it is clear that sales for computer must live. Overheating problem? Considering it's about a Pentium 4, that seems a likely cause. Which P4 i has not so probs. The probs come with Atom. Do both systems freeze on that website? That seems strange. I, too, have an Atom Netbook, though with an N450 which has Hyperthreading. It is not fast; it takes 17 seconds to load Firefox, but I had no freezes yet. The only problem I have so far is that mplayer often crashes when going to/from fullscreen if its video output is set to OpenGL. The N270 is an early model, perhaps some other hardware in the netbook is slowly dying. Mine is slow. No matter which browser. No matter which program. That does not bother me much. But the system is slow, it bugs me. Hard drive I swapped, memory, I also exchanged. Yes the System is old. 2009. Maybe it's time for new Netbook. Well, on the other hand, you can count the Watts an Atom consumes with one hand. For the P4 you'd need the hands of up to 12 people. That difference has to come from somewhere. Yes but that's not what i look. Im often on the road and the Netbook is better as a normal Notebook. And my Samsung has really much expirence in traveling :) Ok thanks for help @all. I think its time for new one, i will see what give on ebay. Thank you Greetings Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Questions
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:34:33AM +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: Ah ok Do both systems freeze on that website? That seems strange. I, too, have an Atom Netbook, though with an N450 which has Hyperthreading. It is not fast; it takes 17 seconds to load Firefox, but I had no freezes yet. The only problem I have so far is that mplayer often crashes when going to/from fullscreen if its video output is set to OpenGL. The N270 is an early model, perhaps some other hardware in the netbook is slowly dying. Mine is slow. No matter which browser. No matter which program. That does not bother me much. But the system is slow, it bugs me. Hard drive I swapped, memory, I also exchanged. Yes the System is old. 2009. Maybe it's time for new Netbook. Nah, mine is just/almost as old (I got it for free from my parents b/c it developed a jerky LVDS cable that needs swapping out, so they bought a replacement and I got that one). I thought more like really early netbooks (2007, 2008). But depending on your use and wear of the hardware, it could still be an age issue. Netbooks aren't cheap for no reason, unfortunately. Well, on the other hand, you can count the Watts an Atom consumes with one hand. For the P4 you'd need the hands of up to 12 people. That difference has to come from somewhere. Yes but that's not what i look. Im often on the road and the Netbook is better as a normal Notebook. And my Samsung has really much expirence in traveling :) Ok thanks for help @all. I think its time for new one, i will see what give on ebay. Did you try any other OS to confirm/reject the theory that your kernel is the actual culprit? Any live linux from USB can do the trick. Did you run memcheck? (I know you said you swapped the memory module, perhaps the RAM slot is defective). -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Earth, stop, I want to get off. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
On 08/19/2010 08:44 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 18.08.2010 21:30, schrieb Elmar Hinz: 1.) Is there a Map: modules to configration parameters? lspci -k lists me all modules of the running genkernel. Unfortunately the configuration parameters of the kernel have different names. 2.) Which approach would you recommend? With new enough kernel sources (gentoo-sources in stable are good enough), there is `make localmodconfig` which removes all mods from your current .config which are not loaded. There is also `make localyesconfig` which does the same but doesn't create modules. Al, if you look in the README file in the top of the kernel tree, there's a very good section with explanations about the various kernel configuration options available for make. I find it amazing, though, that even if I copy my old .config, it still takes me so much time to make sure all the settings are correct for a given machine. Hasn't anyone come up with a handy look-through-my-lspci-output-and-create-a-skeleton-kernel-config tool? Or does it already exist and we just call him Pappy?
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
Am Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:43:40 -0700 schrieb Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com: [...] I find it amazing, though, that even if I copy my old .config, it still takes me so much time to make sure all the settings are correct for a given machine. Hasn't anyone come up with a handy look-through-my-lspci-output-and-create-a-skeleton-kernel-config tool? Or does it already exist and we just call him Pappy? Not really what you want, but somebody thought of something similar. Since Linux 2.6.32 you can do: make localmodconfig [1]. That will take the output of lsmod (so you need an already running kernel, e.g., from a live CD) and remove all unnecessary modules from the existing kernel .config. [1]: see http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32, section 1.8. HTH -- Marc Joliet signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
On 08/20/2010 11:44 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:43:40 -0700 schrieb Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com: [...] I find it amazing, though, that even if I copy my old .config, it still takes me so much time to make sure all the settings are correct for a given machine. Hasn't anyone come up with a handy look-through-my-lspci-output-and-create-a-skeleton-kernel-config tool? Or does it already exist and we just call him Pappy? Not really what you want, but somebody thought of something similar. Since Linux 2.6.32 you can do: make localmodconfig [1]. That will take the output of lsmod (so you need an already running kernel, e.g., from a live CD) and remove all unnecessary modules from the existing kernel .config. [1]: see http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32, section 1.8. Thanks, Marc. So, if I boot off the livecd and I have eighty-five sata_ modules and forty-two RAID modules and 2.5 handsful of various scsi/iscsi modules, I should probably modprobe -r first, all those that aren't applicable to my given system then run the make? I'll take a look. Thanks again.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/20/2010 11:44 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:43:40 -0700 schrieb Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com: [...] I find it amazing, though, that even if I copy my old .config, it still takes me so much time to make sure all the settings are correct for a given machine. Hasn't anyone come up with a handy look-through-my-lspci-output-and-create-a-skeleton-kernel-config tool? Or does it already exist and we just call him Pappy? Not really what you want, but somebody thought of something similar. Since Linux 2.6.32 you can do: make localmodconfig [1]. That will take the output of lsmod (so you need an already running kernel, e.g., from a live CD) and remove all unnecessary modules from the existing kernel .config. [1]: see http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32, section 1.8. Thanks, Marc. So, if I boot off the livecd and I have eighty-five sata_ modules and forty-two RAID modules and 2.5 handsful of various scsi/iscsi modules, I should probably modprobe -r first, all those that aren't applicable to my given system then run the make? I'll take a look. Thanks again. And I suppose you'd also have to beware of any removable devices that you may not have plugged in at the time which require kernel drivers.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
Am 18.08.2010 21:30, schrieb Elmar Hinz: 1.) Is there a Map: modules to configration parameters? lspci -k lists me all modules of the running genkernel. Unfortunately the configuration parameters of the kernel have different names. 2.) Which approach would you recommend? With new enough kernel sources (gentoo-sources in stable are good enough), there is `make localmodconfig` which removes all mods from your current .config which are not loaded. There is also `make localyesconfig` which does the same but doesn't create modules. Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
With new enough kernel sources (gentoo-sources in stable are good enough), there is `make localmodconfig` which removes all mods from your current .config which are not loaded. There is also `make localyesconfig` which does the same but doesn't create modules. Hope this helps, Yes. Sounds good. I will do some experiments with it and maybe fresh up some wiki pages. Can you combine it with genkernel? genkernel --localmodconfig all ? Al
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
On 18 August 2010 22:30, Elmar Hinz oss.el...@googlemail.com wrote: 1.) Is there a Map: modules to configration parameters? lspci -k lists me all modules of the running genkernel. Unfortunately the configuration parameters of the kernel have different names. Submit your lspci -n output here and get amused by the magic http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ You can then search the modules in menuconfig using / and shift+insert For the rest of your questions, in short, all I can say is I followed the instructions in the gentoo handbook: cd /usre/srx/linux make menuconfig and spend hours for customizing my kernel using menuconfig and its help. I am sure more experienced users will show you a better way in a minute.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
Hello, 1.) Is there a Map: modules to configration parameters? I don't think so. The help text for most modules has a reference to the actual module name (something like the module will be called ). If you're looking for something specific you could try grepping for that in the /usr/src/linux/**/Kconfig files and see what setting it belongs to. To customize the kernel I can either strip down the configuration of the genkernel or start with an empty .config file. I generally start with a .config from a similar machine :) Failing that, I prefer the empty config route. 3.) Is there a concept behind the default settings of make menuconfig if you start with an empty .config? AFAIK every time you have no .config you get the default settings for the current arch, which are created by running make defconfig. I guess they're what Linux is using... (just kidding -- I have no clue) 5.) Where are my platform specific drivers? X86 Platform Specific Device Drivers --- Most settings in that submenu depend on specifig things being enabled elsewhere (e.g. an ACPI driver). If you have actually selected X86_PLATFORM_DEVICES=Y, and you get an empty submenu, chances are the rest of your configuration is such that nothing in there can be selected. For more information check the contents of /usr/src/linux/drivers/platform/x86/Kconfig HTH, andrea
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote: Most settings in that submenu depend on specifig things being enabled elsewhere (e.g. an ACPI driver). If you have actually selected X86_PLATFORM_DEVICES=Y, and you get an empty submenu, chances are the rest of your configuration is such that nothing in there can be selected. Also, in menuconfig you can type / which will allow you to search. The search results will tell you which other options the items depend on and which menu they are located in, so you can find them and enable as needed.
