Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/locale vs /etc/env.d/02locale?

2011-06-19 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 02:46:45AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote

 Have you tried localepurge?

  A couple of notes/questions...

1) localepurge deletes the contents of subfolders in /usr/share/locale
but leaves the empty subfolders present.  Is it OK to delete the empty
subfolders?

2) I notice that localepurge did *NOT* delete the contents of
LC_MESSAGES in the following subfolders...
ast
be@latin
ca@valencia
crh
dz
en@shaw
io
kg
km
lg
mai
mg
my
nds
si
sr@latin
uz@cyrillic


-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/locale vs /etc/env.d/02locale?

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 19 June 2011 21:46:05 Walter Dnes wrote:
 1) localepurge deletes the contents of subfolders in /usr/share/locale
 but leaves the empty subfolders present.  Is it OK to delete the empty
 subfolders?

I assume so, though I haven't bothered. Why not try it and see?

 2) I notice that localepurge did *NOT* delete the contents of
 LC_MESSAGES in the following subfolders...
 ast
 be@latin
 ca@valencia
 crh
 dz
 en@shaw
 io
 kg
 km
 lg
 mai
 mg
 my
 nds
 si
 sr@latin
 uz@cyrillic

Those don't look like locale names to me: uz@cyrillic? What locale is that? 
Or en@shaw? Who is shaw? Those two at least don't exist on my system.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/locale vs /etc/env.d/02locale?

2011-06-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 18 June 2011 01:50:12 walt wrote:

 I've tried to prevent the installation of many many unneeded megabytes
 of translation files in /usr/share/locale/* but I've never succeeded.
 ATM I have 101MB of *.mo translation files in /usr/share/locale even
 though I deleted all of them less than a month ago.
 
 I unset the 'nls' useflag in the hope it would solve the problem, but
 no joy.

Have you tried localepurge?

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/locale vs /etc/env.d/02locale?

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 06/16/2011 06:45 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:

 Is there a simple explanation concerning the difference between the
 two locales I have seen on Gentoo machines?

 1) /etc/locale, as specified in the installation documents

 2) /etc/env.d/02locale as has been discussed on the list recently

 There is no /etc/locale.  I assume you mean /etc/locale.gen.

I did. thanks.

 That one only
 contains the locales for glibc.  You should not specify env vars there.  You
 only list raw locales.  Mine for example has these contents:

  en_US ISO-8859-1
  en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8


As does mine.


 /etc/env.d/02locale is of a different format.  It's executed as a script, so
 you set your locale-specific env vars there.  You only need LANG actually,
 and possibly LC_COLLATE.  The whole contents of mine:

  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  LC_COLLATE=C


I had the first line but not the second which I've added.

I think the root of my question is really the (possibly) unfortunately
use of the word 'locale' for the glibc stuff. I understand the concept
of locales for the system and users, but why does glibc need locales
which are possibly different from those in use on a system by users?

I can make up reasons, like someone from Japan logs into my server to
do work and needs something to use Japanese locales, but he could
likely set those up in .bashrc or something. What is glibc doing with
them?

Thanks,
Mark