Re: [gentoo-user] why emerge sucks nuts:

[Dale]

Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Grimes  wrote:
>> Now I'm uninstalling packages like a madman hoping to clear through this...
>>
> You know that posting ACTUAL emerge output might be more useful if you
> want help, or if you think there is some improvement that could be
> made to portage that you'd like somebody else to make.
>
> While perhaps actual patches to improve things might be a bit too much
> to expect from you, your attitude is likely to cause any portage
> developers reading the list to think to themselves "let's watch him
> squirm a while longer."
>
> I'm sure the Gentoo Foundation will happily refund whatever you paid
> for your Gentoo license key and issue you an apology if you ask them.
> Of course, if you exercise this option we're going to have to insist
> that you wipe all the hard drives in your home and we'll send a
> license audit team out next week.
>
> All of us get frustrated with portage from time to time, but most of
> us have managed to recognize that it is the product of thousands of
> hours of blood, sweat, and tears donated by people whose only reward
> was that they know they did something to make the world a slightly
> nicer place.  Try to pay it forward a bit if you could...
>


Keep in mind Rich, this is the same one who has scripts that does blind
updates.  He posted his scripts and that was my take on what they do.  I
seem to recall that it also deletes the logs which means he can't even
backtrack and see what it did or did not do much less why something may
have failed. 

At some point, the lesson will be learned.  This ain't Ubuntu or some
other distro where it can do its own updates with little or no user
input.  One has to "manage" Gentoo or Gentoo will manage the user, and
send them into a rage like this. 

What gets me, he does this, blames emerge and all when the problem is in
the chair.  This was explained to him a while back.  Even I know better
than to do blind updates.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] why emerge sucks nuts:

[Andrew Tselischev]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:13:27AM -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:
> update list:
> 
> B   2.0  (1.0)  (pulled in by A.)
> A   2.0   (1.0)
> C   2.0   (1.0)
> 
> You would think it would just start compiling A and C.
> NOOO
> Emerge errors out with this:
> "fuck you user, C 1.0 won't work B 2.0"
> I'm like I'M ALREADY UPDATING C TOO, YOU STOOPID STACK OF SHIT!!!
> Now I'm uninstalling packages like a madman hoping to clear through this...


welcome to free software. you are not owed anything. stop your whining
and send patches (if you can, that is)

Re: [gentoo-user] why emerge sucks nuts:

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Alan Grimes  wrote:
>
> Now I'm uninstalling packages like a madman hoping to clear through this...
>

You know that posting ACTUAL emerge output might be more useful if you
want help, or if you think there is some improvement that could be
made to portage that you'd like somebody else to make.

While perhaps actual patches to improve things might be a bit too much
to expect from you, your attitude is likely to cause any portage
developers reading the list to think to themselves "let's watch him
squirm a while longer."

I'm sure the Gentoo Foundation will happily refund whatever you paid
for your Gentoo license key and issue you an apology if you ask them.
Of course, if you exercise this option we're going to have to insist
that you wipe all the hard drives in your home and we'll send a
license audit team out next week.

All of us get frustrated with portage from time to time, but most of
us have managed to recognize that it is the product of thousands of
hours of blood, sweat, and tears donated by people whose only reward
was that they know they did something to make the world a slightly
nicer place.  Try to pay it forward a bit if you could...

-- 
Rich