SOLVED: [gentoo-user] DVD drive not found on new AMD64 system

2005-06-03 Thread Michael Kjorling
On 2005-06-03 14:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Do *NOT* use cable select.  Yes, it works with Windoze, but then
 so do Winmodems.  Set master/slave properly.  You are not the first
 person to have run into problems with cable select.

First off: thanks, Walter! Yes, setting master/slave manually did make
the smaller disk show up to both the BIOS and Linux. I also tried
re-jumpering hdc and hdd, putting the hard disk as master and the DVD
drive as slave instead of the other way around.

And would you believe it? It solved all the problems at once! The
drives seem to show up properly, and now the system will also reboot
properly. (It failed - hanged - before the BIOS came to Detecting IDE
drives when I used Cable Select.)

Winmodems always makes me wonder what other crap might pass for
hardware, but that's another tale for another day and one I am sure is
told even here frequently enough anyway.

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Re: SOLVED: [gentoo-user] DVD drive not found on new AMD64 system

2005-06-03 Thread Colin

Michael Kjorling wrote:


On 2005-06-03 14:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


 Do *NOT* use cable select.  Yes, it works with Windoze, but then
so do Winmodems.  Set master/slave properly.  You are not the first
person to have run into problems with cable select.
   


First off: thanks, Walter! Yes, setting master/slave manually did make
the smaller disk show up to both the BIOS and Linux. I also tried
re-jumpering hdc and hdd, putting the hard disk as master and the DVD
drive as slave instead of the other way around.

And would you believe it? It solved all the problems at once! The
drives seem to show up properly, and now the system will also reboot
properly. (It failed - hanged - before the BIOS came to Detecting IDE
drives when I used Cable Select.)

Winmodems always makes me wonder what other crap might pass for
hardware, but that's another tale for another day and one I am sure is
told even here frequently enough anyway.
 

As far as I've heard, the Linux kernel doesn't work well with cable 
select.  Don't know why, though.  Personally, I've used cable select 
before with no problems.  Anyway, with Serial ATA here, IDE master/slave 
settings and all those SCSI jumpers (ID, termination, power on, SE/LVD, 
etc.) should be a thing of the past.


If the BIOS autodetects drives, why would the OS have so much trouble?  
My guess is the Linux kernel chooses to bypass the slow BIOS and access 
the hardware directly, which is why options such as hdx=stroke work with 
older BIOSes.


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Re: SOLVED: [gentoo-user] DVD drive not found on new AMD64 system

2005-06-03 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 09:07:35PM +, Michael Kjorling wrote

 Winmodems always makes me wonder what other crap might pass for
 hardware, but that's another tale for another day and one I am sure is
 told even here frequently enough anyway.

tinfoil=tight
  Each time I hear about Bill Gates pushing a new hardware standard, I
get nervous.  It seems that Winmodems, Winprinters, USB modems, etc.
have one goal... namely to only run on the latest version of Windows.
Even if you can get a new computer without Windows, you'll find that
linux (or for that matter your old copy of Windows98SE) won't work
because the manufacturers do proprietary stuff with their peripherals
and they only write drivers for the latest Windows version.
/tinfoil

  Even nVidia, who do provide some proprietary drivers for linux, won't
necessarily run on the latest linux kernel.  And please don't get me
started about mouse and keyboard connectors.  It's annoying having to
keep a computer 18 inches away from the wall because the serial mouse is
connected to a serial-to-PS2 adaptor, which is connected to a PS2-to-USB
adaptor.

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and has a lower TCO, than linux.
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