Re: [gentoo-user] Printing phpmyadmin output
On 13/4/2011, at 8:14pm, Mick wrote: ... I've tried Opera and Chrome; Chrome does the same as Firefox while Opera shows one line giving the phpMyAdmin location and version number. Works fine in Safari here. Maybe you could try another Webkit-based browser? Konqueror, maybe? ... and I was just advised by my other half (a web developer) that FF will follow a print-CSS if one is there, otherwise will follow the HTML code which may contain the frame and specify it to the size of the screen. Have you guys tried right-clicking within the frame and open frame in new window, then printing? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] browser advice
On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:51, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] browser advice': On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I use Konqueror near exclusively; I was an avid Opera user before I switched to Linux. May I ask what led you to change to Konqueror, given that Opera also was available in Linux? General movement away from proprietary programs. I'm not completely free, but moving that way. Also, That was back in the 7.x branch of Opera and I believe it was available but looked like crap; or I was using a beta that wasn't available for linux yet; or it was binary-only and I was installing Gentoo (therefore wanted the advantages of compiling from source); or it just didn't integrate with KDE (my desktop environment of choice) as well. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpNby9LmJniO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Printing phpmyadmin output
On Wednesday 13 April 2011 19:54:51 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 13 April 2011 17:55:24 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 13 April 2011 15:58:46 Mick wrote: I assume that you use the Print view button at the bottom of the tables. Ah! I hadn't spotted it; that does work - it prints one table description per page. I've just looked at this demo site using print preview in Firefox and Opera: http://demo.phpmyadmin.net/STABLE/index.php FF will only show the first page of a table - this to me translates to a poorly written CSS for printing purposes, or lack of a print-CSS altogether. I've filed a bug report; let's see what comes of it. It's phpmyadmin- Bugs-3286026. In Opera the first print preview page is blank. If I click on the print preview icon on the toolbar it will switch between successive frames. The 3rd frame contains the table across 3 pages, so it should print the lot. The CSS is not well written though because e.g. there is a blank page between the 1st page which just contains a header and the third page which starts right from the top (no margin) with the table. I've tried Opera and Chrome; Chrome does the same as Firefox while Opera shows one line giving the phpMyAdmin location and version number. Yes, Opera's printing is a bit buggy in general compared to other browsers. ... and I was just advised by my other half (a web developer) that FF will follow a print-CSS if one is there, otherwise will follow the HTML code which may contain the frame and specify it to the size of the screen. Hence, subsequent pages do not print. You can't win! ;-) BTW, I don't know what Firefox 4 does, I haven't yet tried it out. It may print things differently. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Printing phpmyadmin output
On 14 April 2011 07:03, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 13/4/2011, at 8:14pm, Mick wrote: ... I've tried Opera and Chrome; Chrome does the same as Firefox while Opera shows one line giving the phpMyAdmin location and version number. Works fine in Safari here. Maybe you could try another Webkit-based browser? Konqueror, maybe? ... and I was just advised by my other half (a web developer) that FF will follow a print-CSS if one is there, otherwise will follow the HTML code which may contain the frame and specify it to the size of the screen. Have you guys tried right-clicking within the frame and open frame in new window, then printing? Yes! :-) I forgot to try the obvious ... Peter, if you right-click and select to see the frame in question (while in 'Print View') and then select Print Preview in Firefox, you can see all pages that the tables will spread across. Thanks Stroller for pointing this out. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] browser advice
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 15:00, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] browser advice': I'm about to dump Firefox, because I can't google in English. I don't know, nor care, whose fault it is (Google's, firefox's or mine, for not having telepathic gifts), I just won't let anyone choose for me. Well, if it's not firefox's fault, switching to a new browser may not help. So, the point is: what browser now? I use Konqueror near exclusively; Bon Echo (non-Mozilla-branded Firefox 2.x) is reserved for site whose javascript is not supported in Konqueror. It (Konqueror) even has the ability to use 32-bit plugins in a 64-bit browser. If you use other kde application you'll enjoy the loosely-coupled but tight integration, like adding RSS feeds to aKregator from Konqueror. I was an avid Opera user before I switched to Linux. It's an integrated browser along the lines of Mozilla or Seamonkey, containing (at least) a mail and new client in addition to the browser. IME, it was able to handle anything sort of ActiveX (that is, everything Firefox can), but occasionally you'd have to change your browser identification string to something more IE-like or FF-like to convince the webserver to give you the correct page. (Google for: opera oprah microsoft) I was a fan of their support newsgroup, it taught me a lot of little tips and tricks (ala Firefox's about:config stuff) that ended up making my browser experience uniquely mine. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgp5RXusUel0D.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] {SOLVED] Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:15:28PM -0400, wrote I'm getting rather annoyed with Firefox. I don't want to get into that flamewar right now. I'm trying to migrate to UZBL. The latest git version is a lot better than the stale stable version. The uzbl- ebuild is broken (yes, I've filed a bug), so I pull directly from git and build and install to ~/.local. It's a steep learning curve, and I've gradually resolved almost every issue. The last reason to have Firefox or Opera hanging around is Flash. I subscribe to NHL GameCenter Live and Live365.com, so Flash functionality is mandatory for me. The git version of UZBL requires a recent version of webkit, which requires gtk3. Flash is a gtk2 program, so it doesn't work. Correction to the above. I'm not a C programmer or developer, but I tweaked the Makefile, and the git version of uzbl now builds with a recent gtk2, rather than gtk3, and consequently Flash runs fine. The tweak consists of changing 1 line in the Makefile from... ENABLE_GTK3?= auto ...to... ENABLE_GTK3?= no The git version allows you to launch multiple simultaneous instances *WITH DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION FILES*. I usually launch using the config file with plugins disabled. For the sites where I need Flash, I launch the with plugin-enabled config. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] How to set up monospaced xterm fonts?
I apologize if this is a duplicate. My broadband ISP seems to be having problems, and I don't think my previous attempt got through. This post coming to you via glorious dialup. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 08:20:09AM +, Stroller wrote > > > On Fri, 20 November 2015, at 10:35 p.m., Walter Dnes > > <waltd...@waltdnes.org> wrote: > > > > ... Apparently, > > some time ago, USE="nls" became necessary for basic xterm functionality > > ??? If there was a news item, I missed it. > > > > ...in package.use actually works the way I want, which simplifies things > > rebuilding now, and it'll automatically catch any updates or new fonts > > in the future. > > Your phrases "became necessary for basic xterm functionality" and > "if there was a news item" read like dissatisfaction. > > They read like you're unhappy that the package didn't behave as > you expect. xterm stopped working properly on my system; yes, I was unhappy > Maybe they would have behaved the way you expected, had you not > disabled the default USE flags in the first place. > > This is the second time this year you've posted a problem to this > list and then, a few days later, a [SOLVED] saying "it seems the > solution is to enable this USE flag which is enabled by default in > all the base profiles". I like to keep my install "lean and mean". In fact, I have to. My main system is a Dell Inspiron 530 Core Duo Conroe, 3 GHZ Pentium 4 with 3 gigs of ram. It shipped in June 2008 and still works fine, but it's obviously not a "gaming rig". It's a prime candidate for Gentoo. I subscribe to NHL GameCentre Live. After a fresh install, with vanilla unoptimized code, it can't even keep up with the slowest stream speed of 800 kbits/sec. After optimizing and running "emerge @system && emerge @world", it handles the fastest stream of 4500 kbits/sec. At that speed the load is 2.4 on a 2-core cpu, because Flash is a resource hog, but it works. I have 2 newer systems that I use as "hot backup" as well as general playing around. I update them every so often, as well as rsyncing my home directory over to them. This is in addition to backups to an external USB drive. Until such time as the Inspiron 530 dies, or can't handle stuff I need, I'm not going to take it to the regional ewaste dump. As for base flags changing, what percentage of this list have an ISP that runs IPV6? And no, I'm not talking about a limited beta. At one point, I started with USE="-* blah blah blah". The USE line got a bit long with all the flags I added. I was effectively building my own custom profile. Lately, I've run without USE="-*". Now I have a lot of USE="-blah -blah -blah" and my USE line is just as long. Do you know that Opera pulls in gstreamer by default unless I have "-gstreamer" in either USE or package.use? And fltk defaults to pulling in xinerama unless explicitly over-ridden. Etc, etc. When USE="netifrc" became necessary for OpenRC, a developer posted on this list warning everbody who was running "USE=-*". We got news items for changes in how the libav and ffmpeg flags were being handled. That's how this should have been handled. There's something in the IT industry called "the principle of least surprise" aka "the principle of least astonishment". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment If you're doing something that has worked for years, it should not suddenly break one day *WITHOUT NOTICE*. -- Walter Dnes <waltd...@waltdnes.org> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Bug reports need to be thorough. If they do not provide enough information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug squashers to do anything about it. Sometimes, as the reported, you miss some important things. Okay. Then the wrangler (or whom else works onthr bug) simply should ask for more information. But if your bugs are always marked as invalid, you loose any motiviation for further contributions. Bug reports are also contribution. Imo, provide as much information as possible, describe all paths of logic, dont assume bugwranglers are psychic. Verbosity can be your friend. If its marked invalid, then either they've given a damn good reason, or you've not given them a better one not to mark it invalid. In either case, if its invalid, keep posting as much information as possible on the subject, not just the what, but the why. I'm still at a loss why theres any need for symlinks to the coda FS when you could just tell firefox to build a profile /directly/ on that coda-fs. Im not saying there is no valid reason, just there has yet to be a good explanation as to why. If you can't on your own convince a dev to change a bugs status, find other people with similar problems to increase the validity of your claim. Bugs can be like a court room. No witnesses no good evidence, a poor testimony, and you end up in jail. So you get all the evidence you can, get your witnesses, make a nice logical argument, and with any luck, the wrangler might reinstate its free status ( cos being invalid dosn't mean that the CC list will suddenly stop working afaik ) I can't really argue that one. I would also admit that I personally tend to be a lot more patient in weedling information out of an end user. Comes from tech support training. Do remember though that a lot of techies are not people persons (I know that is not a great excuse, or even good grammar). The founders of the open source movement were notorious jerks. :P It is a matter of recorded fact. They Focused more on the software and let their friends handle the people. I sympathize with them. The reason devs often tend to be jerks, is because people of lesser understanding often be as big a jerk when they envisage a problem which is really a case of problem exists between keyboard and chair or a case of its not our fault, its somebody elses, and sadly for devs, there are an awful lot of people who know very little yet profess to know very much. ( Evidence? in high school i had one teacher tell me off for doing on a computer something another teacher had told me to do, because the one of lesser understanding didn't obviously have a clue what i was doing, and thus made drastic assumptions that i was 'writing viruses and hacking' and that was before I ever did any /real/ programming work :/ ... work in a company where you have customers, you'll probably find complications with 'customer doesn't understand, and thus we have to start again to fix a non-problem' ) if the idea of creating a new profile would not work for you, then recreating your firefox directory, with physical copies of the symlinked files would do the trick as well. Not really. The symlinks are no problem for FF, it works perfectly well. And I *need* them to store temporary stuff locally. It's mozilla-launcher which artificially breaks if it *thinks* something could be wrong. Personally, I don't realy know WHAT mozilla-launcher is I think. :P I have always just created shortcuts to firefox directly, and let it handle everything itself. Imagine if you just sunk three years into a project, and suddenly someone started attacking you because it didn't work perfectly on their system. Well, I'm working on lots of OSS projects for many many years. But I never ever felt being attacked by an bug report. It is not the bug report that is the attack. It is the angry declarations of incompetense. The insistance that because you do not agree, that something must be wrong with the developers. The fact that in just a handful of hours working with a complicated issue, you declared the community at large to be hostile and ignorant. Community is developer oriented, and thus, nasties and arrogance will abound =). Just look in -dev for your daily dose of flame war/soap opera. ( if your going to have a 100+ message flamewar that started from somebody complaining and missunderstanding an 'inside' joke, it looks kinda evident that some devs love arguing for the sake of it... so with that in mind, play safe, be nice :) ) That is just what I have seen from this situation. It is not the fact that you submit bugs, it is the way in which you do it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list In favour of what Enrico did, although for all the world it seems like he fought a bit and went against advice, he found a problem, and provided the means for a solution, and placed it in bugzilla. Despite
