Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
On 03/18/2013 10:26 AM, Stefano Iacovella wrote: 2013/3/18 Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk: I appreciate your point Andrea about limited dev resources. On the other hand GeoServer is shipping with a four year old web-server (an age on the Internet) that has since received as best I can tell a considerable number of security fixes just in the 6.x branch. Unfortunately most folks (myself included) lack the technical aptitude to offer patches, so we rely on the generosity of the developers in giving their time. For my part I try and reciprocate with my QA skills by adding to your jira issue count. ;-) I'll open an improvement request per your suggestion. Indeed GeoServer does not ship in one flavour, and jetty is just one of the alternatives users can choose. Adding my 2 cents to what Andrea already wrote I think that in the trade off of spare time versus upgrading GeoServer installer including jetty costs are higher than returns. Most of the times you have to deploy web application, i.e. GeoServer, on an application server someone else choose for you. And chances are that you will have to work with JBoss or Tomcat Stefano --- 41.95581N 12.52854E If it's on par with a directory swap I suspect there are some users willing to test, as someone just did test jetty 8. Now that I know I can test on ubuntu jetty versions and see how it works. Is there a test suite, or test procedure to follow to verify that is works, other than loading some layers? Thanks, Alex -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: If it's on par with a directory swap I suspect there are some users willing to test, as someone just did test jetty 8. Now that I know I can test on ubuntu jetty versions and see how it works. It should be close to a directory swap, but it's not a simple one. The thing is, GeoServer ships with a minimum set of files and jars from Jetty to make it run, it does not contain the whole thing. An update should maintain this minimal setup... and the files might be different in version 8 (but if you stick on 6 instead, it might well be a simple replace). If you are in a mood for a pull request, here is where the new Jetty files should go: https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/tree/master/src/release/jetty Is there a test suite, or test procedure to follow to verify that is works, other than loading some layers? Hum... we don't have a formalized procedure. I guess, load some layers, and check each and every protocol, see if something breaks Cheers Andrea -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf Technical Lead GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 339 8844549 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
Well, its been a day for me so far and nothing anomalous has been happening. I'm running it in my test environ (the only environ I have at this point actually) in console on Windows server 2008 R2 with Debug logging. The logs aren't showing anything extraneous either. I've only use a small subset of GeoServer's capabilities, but so far drop in replacement is exactly what it seems to be. The only difference I can see is that this version of jetty isn't logging the requests. But a few seconds of googling showed this can be easily enabled (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Jetty/Tutorial/RequestLog) if desired. Chances are I'll use it for my live deployment and I'll get back to this thread if anything odd happens. Jonathan On 19 March 2013 16:34, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 03/18/2013 10:26 AM, Stefano Iacovella wrote: 2013/3/18 Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk: I appreciate your point Andrea about limited dev resources. On the other hand GeoServer is shipping with a four year old web-server (an age on the Internet) that has since received as best I can tell a considerable number of security fixes just in the 6.x branch. Unfortunately most folks (myself included) lack the technical aptitude to offer patches, so we rely on the generosity of the developers in giving their time. For my part I try and reciprocate with my QA skills by adding to your jira issue count. ;-) I'll open an improvement request per your suggestion. Indeed GeoServer does not ship in one flavour, and jetty is just one of the alternatives users can choose. Adding my 2 cents to what Andrea already wrote I think that in the trade off of spare time versus upgrading GeoServer installer including jetty costs are higher than returns. Most of the times you have to deploy web application, i.e. GeoServer, on an application server someone else choose for you. And chances are that you will have to work with JBoss or Tomcat Stefano --- 41.95581N 12.52854E If it's on par with a directory swap I suspect there are some users willing to test, as someone just did test jetty 8. Now that I know I can test on ubuntu jetty versions and see how it works. Is there a test suite, or test procedure to follow to verify that is works, other than loading some layers? Thanks, Alex -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
On 03/16/2013 03:00 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: Hi List, So, simple question: Should we stick with the default Jetty or go with Tomcat instead, and more importantly - why? We're going to be using it on a Windows Server 2008 R2. What do other folks use? As Jetty already-works for us, is there a reason to justify spending the time swapping to a unfamiliar package? I'm surprised this hasn't been asked more often - a search of the archives only found it once and the answer was simply use tomcat with no explanation of why. The installation package uses Jetty for convenience, it's small and provides just the functionality needed for people to quickly try out GeoServer. At the same time, the Jetty we embed is 6.1.8, which is 4 years old, as such it has received no performance or security upgrades since back then. That seems kinda silly, is it non-trivial to ship a newer version? Seems like 6.1.x series is still common (6.1.24 on ubuntu 12.04), which I would guess is just fixes. Thanks, Alex -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: That seems kinda silly, is it non-trivial to ship a newer version? Seems like 6.1.x series is still common (6.1.24 on ubuntu 12.04), which I would guess is just fixes. It would be silly if we had plenty of time available. However, the situation is exactly the opposite, the work is distributed over relatively few people (90% of the work is actually done by 10 people) and there is a lot to do (e.g in jira.codehaus.org we have 1093 open tickets... not all bugs, not all valid, but still...). Given the situation, one works based on priorities, which during the week pretty much means paid work first (or, if you have plenty, paid work only), and during the spare time, for those that still work on it, well... that has a meaning varying by person, for example in my case it's try to help people contributing changes to GeoServer/GeoTools, so, review patches/pull requests, provide indications on how to fix them for contribution, amend myself the ones that went cold, and occasionally fixing some critical bug or providing some bit of new functionality. So, in the best open source spirit, all I can say is patches welcomed :-p (and oh, yes, you can also open a improvement request ticket type at jira.codehaus.org asking for an upgrade) Cheers Andrea Thanks, Alex -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf Technical Lead GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 339 8844549 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
Thanks for the replies folks. Given I only anticipate 100-200 unique users a day, I guess Jetty should be fine. Minimal configuration on our end and we can swap to Tomcat later anyway. Heading slightly off-topic with the newer-jetty stuff, but I downloaded the latest Jetty 8 stable (8.1.10.v20130312) - it seems to be a drop in replacement for Jetty 6. No special configuration required, just worked. The only issue I've had to far is that it didn't like my jetty-web.xml fix to allow POSTing large style layers. So I deleted that file and it turns out that fix isn't even necessary with Jetty 8! It may be confirmation bias, but Jetty 8 does seem faster, certainly the admin interface is more responsive. I appreciate your point Andrea about limited dev resources. On the other hand GeoServer is shipping with a four year old web-server (an age on the Internet) that has since received as best I can tell a considerable number of security fixes just in the 6.x branch. Unfortunately most folks (myself included) lack the technical aptitude to offer patches, so we rely on the generosity of the developers in giving their time. For my part I try and reciprocate with my QA skills by adding to your jira issue count. ;-) I'll open an improvement request per your suggestion. Thanks again, Jonathan On 18 March 2013 07:10, Andrea Aime andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: That seems kinda silly, is it non-trivial to ship a newer version? Seems like 6.1.x series is still common (6.1.24 on ubuntu 12.04), which I would guess is just fixes. It would be silly if we had plenty of time available. However, the situation is exactly the opposite, the work is distributed over relatively few people (90% of the work is actually done by 10 people) and there is a lot to do (e.g in jira.codehaus.org we have 1093 open tickets... not all bugs, not all valid, but still...). Given the situation, one works based on priorities, which during the week pretty much means paid work first (or, if you have plenty, paid work only), and during the spare time, for those that still work on it, well... that has a meaning varying by person, for example in my case it's try to help people contributing changes to GeoServer/GeoTools, so, review patches/pull requests, provide indications on how to fix them for contribution, amend myself the ones that went cold, and occasionally fixing some critical bug or providing some bit of new functionality. So, in the best open source spirit, all I can say is patches welcomed :-p (and oh, yes, you can also open a improvement request ticket type at jira.codehaus.org asking for an upgrade) Cheers Andrea Thanks, Alex -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf Technical Lead GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 339 8844549 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
2013/3/18 Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk: I appreciate your point Andrea about limited dev resources. On the other hand GeoServer is shipping with a four year old web-server (an age on the Internet) that has since received as best I can tell a considerable number of security fixes just in the 6.x branch. Unfortunately most folks (myself included) lack the technical aptitude to offer patches, so we rely on the generosity of the developers in giving their time. For my part I try and reciprocate with my QA skills by adding to your jira issue count. ;-) I'll open an improvement request per your suggestion. Indeed GeoServer does not ship in one flavour, and jetty is just one of the alternatives users can choose. Adding my 2 cents to what Andrea already wrote I think that in the trade off of spare time versus upgrading GeoServer installer including jetty costs are higher than returns. Most of the times you have to deploy web application, i.e. GeoServer, on an application server someone else choose for you. And chances are that you will have to work with JBoss or Tomcat Stefano --- 41.95581N 12.52854E http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefanoiacovella http://twitter.com/#!/Iacovellas -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: Hi List, So, simple question: Should we stick with the default Jetty or go with Tomcat instead, and more importantly - why? We're going to be using it on a Windows Server 2008 R2. What do other folks use? As Jetty already-works for us, is there a reason to justify spending the time swapping to a unfamiliar package? I'm surprised this hasn't been asked more often - a search of the archives only found it once and the answer was simply use tomcat with no explanation of why. The installation package uses Jetty for convenience, it's small and provides just the functionality needed for people to quickly try out GeoServer. At the same time, the Jetty we embed is 6.1.8, which is 4 years old, as such it has received no performance or security upgrades since back then. From the point of view of container comparison, I can't tell that Tomcat is going to be faster, but the general impression is that it's by far more used, and indeed my company uses it for all deployments, with no complaints. Cheers Andrea -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf Technical Lead GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 1660272 mob: +39 339 8844549 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
[Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
Hi List, So, simple question: Should we stick with the default Jetty or go with Tomcat instead, and more importantly - why? We're going to be using it on a Windows Server 2008 R2. What do other folks use? As Jetty already-works for us, is there a reason to justify spending the time swapping to a unfamiliar package? I'm surprised this hasn't been asked more often - a search of the archives only found it once and the answer was simply use tomcat with no explanation of why. Cheers, Jonathan This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
Re: [Geoserver-users] Tomcat or Jetty?
Part of the point of using Java Enterprise Edition is to remain independent from these choices (i.e. it should be up to you, or your IT department, what they want to take the trouble to maintain). Traditionally Jetty has focused on being a good embeddable component (applications such as Eclipse use it to host local html files for online help). It has recently grown up and supports all manner of crazy things such as SPDY, use on google app engine and so on. Tomcat has always been presented as standalone web server, and being far more popular there is more documentation available on how to deploy it. But yeah, just take it on cost (both a free but it may be less hassle getting one up and going in your your it environment). Cheers -- Jody Garnett On Friday, 15 March 2013 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Moules wrote: Hi List, So, simple question: Should we stick with the default Jetty or go with Tomcat instead, and more importantly - why? We're going to be using it on a Windows Server 2008 R2. What do other folks use? As Jetty already-works for us, is there a reason to justify spending the time swapping to a unfamiliar package? I'm surprised this hasn't been asked more often - a search of the archives only found it once and the answer was simply use tomcat with no explanation of why. Cheers, Jonathan This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net (mailto:Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net) https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Geoserver-users mailing list Geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geoserver-users
