Re: Request for BBC Contact - OT

[David Lake (dlake)]

Sorry - by muppets at the top I meant Dodgy Dave and his chums, not the Beeb.

I have many arguments with the U.K. government.   Having endured a lower 
quality of life in the US, I hate the way that we are aping that failed society 
and the way that they are taking it out on excellent public services such as 
the Beeb, the NHS, schools, etc.

Wow.   Seriously OT!

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> On 6 Apr 2016, at 12:47, Jim web  wrote:
> 
> In article
> ,
>    wrote:
> 
>> There is a MASSIVE market for BBC material outside the UK - I wish that
>> instead of knocking the BBC, the present muppets-at-the-top realised
>> what a huge asset is was and promoted it around the world.
> 
> The people at the top of the BBC aren't allowed to. Argue with the UK
> *government*. But if you do, note the Radio Times (*not* owned by the BBC)
> repeatedly making a fuss about the minister responsible failing to read
> many thousands of submissions wrt the future of the BBC whilst claiming he
> has done so. And then look at his track record and not be surprised.
> 
> I won't go on as this gets very OT. But I wish people wouldn't blame people
> at the BBC because of the way those around them tie their hands. Tell the
> politicians it is *their* job to make possible what you want and to get
> them off the BBC's back.
> 
> But note that some politicians may not want the BBC to thrive and would
> rather it did less, than it did more. So you may be talking to those who
> turn a deaf ear.
> 
> Erm... IMHO. 8-]
> 
> Jim
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Re: Paywall for iPlayer?

[David Lake (dlake)]

Try the U.S. for a few years if you want to see what happens to a society when 
there is no functioning media.   UGH.  No real TV, awful radio (NPR is a joke - 
so amateur) and no newspapers.

Even their good programmes are dire beyond belief - make C5 seen elitist.

As a BBC 2, BBC 4, Radio 4 addict, I feel I get excellent value from the Beeb.  
 Frankly I can put up with some heavy handedness over the Fox-ification of 
media.   It is the greedy Hollywood studios that are reasonable for the current 
malaise in broadcasting and the rights/payments issues, not the Beeb.

Of course, present government are aping the Americans (foolishly, IMvHO - 
common mistake Brits make is to think we are more like America than Europe 
because of the language, but it's a wrong assumption - our ethos is far more 
European) so I fear for all of our public services in the name of a quick buck 
at the hands of PR men like Cameron.

D

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On 6 Jul 2015, at 09:48, George Eycott geo...@eycott.co.uk wrote:

 equally I would be against any move to make any of the BBC channels to
 carry commercials.
 
 I agree, we visited Canada recently and I am amazed anyone watches TV live
 there. Basically the channels primarily carry adverts with odd bits of
 programmes shown occasionally. It made trying to watch anything completely
 unbearable. Would hate that to happen over here.
 
 
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RE: get_iplayer repair update #1

[David Lake (dlake)]

Wireshark MAY tell you that they're using the Nitro API with a defined key

I couldn't possibly comment though.

-Original Message-
From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of 
Steven Maude
Sent: 31 October 2014 18:08
To: get_iplayer
Subject: Re: get_iplayer repair update #1

On 01/11/2014 00:45, dinkypumpkin wrote:

 Some things that have been floated here in the past few days:
 snip lots

Yet another one, which I'll mention again here as it was lost in the deluge. 
Does anyone know how the BBC's mobile apps work? Are they simply web-based 
frontends or do they use some private API? If the latter, then it might be 
possible to use that to retrieve metadata, with the advantages that it's 
unlikely to have support dropped overnight or be as fragile as scraping.

This post gives some guidance on how to investigate: 
http://timrogers.uk/2014/07/12/discovering-private-apis-with-charles-app/

Anyway, great work; look forward to the update and it's definitely appreciated.

Hope you get chance to relax a bit over the weekend!

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RE: [ANN] get_iplayer search and PVR functions no longer work - no fix available

[David Lake (dlake)]

Alternatively, maybe some kind of proxy for the metadata can be used.

You mean, like this ?

http://atlas.metabroadcast.com/#home

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From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of 
Conrad Wood
Sent: 29 October 2014 13:09
To: dinkypumpkin
Cc: get_iplayer
Subject: Re: [ANN] get_iplayer search and PVR functions no longer work - no fix 
available

 I don't see Nitro as a solution for get_iplayer, at least not directly. 
   You can be sure that get_iplayer wouldn't get direct access, and 
 even if that were possible, rate limiting and other restrictions might 
 be too tight.  There are still details missing, and as Jeremy noted, 
 outsiders can't see Nitro yet.
 

Wouldn't it be sufficient for each user to request access?
So get_iplayer could use a user-specified api-key to access nitro.
It's not ideal, but depending on the bbc policy it might be workable.
tbh I did not find much information about the policy under which the api is 
made available on the website yet.

Alternatively, maybe some kind of proxy for the metadata can be used.
get_iplayer could query the proxy, which in turn queries the bbc nitro api and 
caches the result. This way, the rate-limiting wouldn't hurt to much.

Conrad




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RE: Major Close Down

[David Lake (dlake)]

Sorry - take the YOUR as plural, not you specifically.

In other words, the Beeb own the content and the terms of their copyright 
determine what they allow one to do or not do with it.  By consuming the 
content, you've agreed to the terms of the copyright.

And I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, so dinner out means the local Wimpy, not the 
Ritz.

:-)

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From: Sharon Kimble [mailto:boudic...@skimble.plus.com] 
Sent: 06 August 2014 13:00
To: David Lake (dlake)
Cc: 'Frankie Higgs'; get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Major Close Down

David Lake dl...@cisco.com writes:

 Be VERY careful here.

 Every Media Selection page on the BBC's site includes the following line:

 !--This code and data form part of the BBC iPlayer content protection 
 system. Tampering with, removal of, misuse of, or unauthorised use of 
 this code or data constitutes circumvention of the BBC's content 
 protection measures and may result in legal action. BBC (C) 2014.--

 Note the term misuse.  That is THEIR definition of misuse, not yours.   It 
 is not YOUR content - it is THEIRS.

David.

Thanks for your comment above, although I am not aware that I have said 
anywhere that it is my content!

I've looked at http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/personal.shtml and also 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/help.shtml but I do not think that 'beeb' is in 
breach of any of their terms. However, I'm a Nurse and not a lawyer, so it is 
possible that I am wrong.

It should also be noted that the BBC personal use page is dated 15 October 
2012, whereas the TV licensing page/site at 
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one?WT.ac=home_plt_check
is stating exactly what I have quoted and is dated 2014.

Sharon.


 -Original Message-
 From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On 
 Behalf Of Sharon Kimble
 Sent: 06 August 2014 03:24
 To: Frankie Higgs
 Cc: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
 Subject: Re: Major Close Down

 Frankie Higgs frankiehi...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:09 +0100, Jonathan H wrote:
 So, let me try and get this clear in my head...
 
 Have you really just compared the deaths of millions of young men 
 who sacrificed their lives in two world wars, to the voluntary 
 closure of a site hosting stolen material?

 Don't pretend to be surprised by someone's saying My ancestors 
 didn't fight in WWn for this,
 It's a very common piece of rhetoric, and in this case isn't entirely 
 inappropriate.

 If, as many do, Chris views the second world war as having been 
 fought to defend us from fascist values, then he is correct in 
 arguing that they were fought to prevent this sort of close down.

 One important democratic freedom is the freedom to share culture and 
 information. The introduction of copyright to the UK was intended to 
 allow for easier censorship, and to prevent free culture. I'd 
 recommend reading http://ip.cream.org for the background.

 What does genuinely continue to surprise me is that people continue 
 to compare copyright violation to theft.
 I'm not even sure if we have the legal right to use iPlayer content 
 in a way the BBC don't explicitly allow, despite obviously having the 
 moral right, so I don't view what we use get_iplayer for as any 
 different from downloading these files from a P2P site.
 (If there's anyone on the list who can explain our exact legal 
 status, I'd be grateful)

 I'm the writer of 'beeb', a script to help get programmes using get-iplayer, 
 available at my website.

 This is a quote from the beeb manual, page 17, which explains the legal 
 situation using information from the TV-licensings own web site. 

 You do not need a UK TV licence to use ”get-iplayer” or ”beeb”. You 
 only need a TV licence if you are recording TV programmes as they are 
 being shown on TV. This is from the TV licensing website -

 ”The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or 
 record television programmes, on any device, as they’re being shown on TV. 
 This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes 
 and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

 You don’t need a licence if you don’t use any of these devices to watch or 
 record television pro- grammes as they’re being shown on TV - for example, if 
 you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch 
 catch up services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.”

 Source - http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/
 how-to-tell-us-you-dont-watch-tv-top12

 I hope this helps
 Sharon.
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