Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 07:55 +0200, Cedric Sodhi wrote: I also might want to map Tilt (which GIMP currently has no support for) That is incorrect. GIMP has had support for Tilt for more than ten years (since before version 1.0). It was limited to the Ink tool though until recently. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
Hi, s...@gimp.org (2010-07-20 at 1409.51 +0200): On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 07:55 +0200, Cedric Sodhi wrote: I also might want to map Tilt (which GIMP currently has no support for) That is incorrect. GIMP has had support for Tilt for more than ten years (since before version 1.0). It was limited to the Ink tool though until recently. It had full support for a long time, not only ink tool, via GIH exporter's Tilt X Y options. But there are not many GIH, and even less using the full feature set avaliable. GSR ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Cedric Sodhi man...@gmx.net wrote: GIMP/GTK accounts for the channel's existance, but GIMP does not know what to do with a Wheel channel, as what GTK identifies it, and can only handle the button events to be mapped to mouse-wheel events. GIT does. Wheel is as mappable in dynamics as any other input. You cant try it if you have either artpen or airbrush. So much for the canonical input devices and their fixed meanings. I don't think anything is fixed and it just depends on the type of input device how likely one might want to change it. That's what I meant by a sliding line. You never want to map X,Y and pressure to UI functions. That just woudnt make sense. Maping tilt or wheel to UI functions would make the pen unusable in its primary function. There was a bug recently in wacom drver that made wheel send scroll events. The pen just wasnt usable in UI. So, Im sorry, but tablets axes are not something you want to map to ui. I also might want to map Tilt (which GIMP currently has no support for), Again wrong. Try 2.7.1 or GIT. And unfortunally, there is no way of fixing this somewhere else. GTK offers a way to swap channels and map buttons which is a complete redundancy to what a driver or xmodmap can do. But it offers no way to give the Axis actual meanings in the program, which is what only IT can and should do. You really should take a look at development versions before writing here. Please look at either 2.7.1 or GIT then we can talk again. -- --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
A small PS: Enabling Screen for the 3dmouse device in Extended Input Devices renders the mouse dead for drawing. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
Just so its said first, input stuff is business of GTK. Gimp conjumes what GTK provides. On Saturday, July 17, 2010 22:45:07 Cedric Sodhi wrote: I, as a user, would like to directly corelate the axis (x motion event!!!) to zoom, pan, color, etc! Therefore I say that this needs a coherent interface where such mappings can take place. Any paint options are mapped via dynamics, try 2.7 from git and you'll see what I mean. Pan and Zoom are UI controlls and such part of a different concept. One that does not exist yet. This concept is where mapping axis of odd devices like navigator to UI and action control should be set. I think these major points which can bring a great advantage for any professional who uses the appropriate input devices. Tablets are paint and draw tools and their axis have fixed meanings. Chaninging that would be silly. Navigators and other such tools are separate business. -- Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] 6 DOF HID support
There is a sliding border between what is a canonical input device and what is absused, so to say, as an input device. Consider my tablet (Intuos). You say it has axis with fixed meaning? I beg to differ! The device provides a 6-dimensional motion event. Channel 0 to 4 being more or less what you said, fixed with something that would not make sense to change (I'll revise that in a second), then channel 5 corresponds to the wheel on the tablet. The driver also emits a button event when scrolling the wheel but at the same time it provides positional data in the motion vector. GIMP/GTK accounts for the channel's existance, but GIMP does not know what to do with a Wheel channel, as what GTK identifies it, and can only handle the button events to be mapped to mouse-wheel events. So much for the canonical input devices and their fixed meanings. I don't think anything is fixed and it just depends on the type of input device how likely one might want to change it. That's what I meant by a sliding line. I also might want to map Tilt (which GIMP currently has no support for), which is channels 3 and 4 to something like color (or just brush size). As with the rather inconsistent way GIMP/GTK handles all this stuff right now, only one hardcoded channel, that is the channel identified as Pressure by GTK (usually 2) can have any effect. Every channel mapping is 100% hardcoded which is maybe not what you want with a canonical input device and is certainly not what you want if you use additional input devices. And unfortunally, there is no way of fixing this somewhere else. GTK offers a way to swap channels and map buttons which is a complete redundancy to what a driver or xmodmap can do. But it offers no way to give the Axis actual meanings in the program, which is what only IT can and should do. On 07/17/2010 09:54 PM, Alexia Death wrote: Just so its said first, input stuff is business of GTK. Gimp conjumes what GTK provides. On Saturday, July 17, 2010 22:45:07 Cedric Sodhi wrote: I, as a user, would like to directly corelate the axis (x motion event!!!) to zoom, pan, color, etc! Therefore I say that this needs a coherent interface where such mappings can take place. Any paint options are mapped via dynamics, try 2.7 from git and you'll see what I mean. Pan and Zoom are UI controlls and such part of a different concept. One that does not exist yet. This concept is where mapping axis of odd devices like navigator to UI and action control should be set. I think these major points which can bring a great advantage for any professional who uses the appropriate input devices. Tablets are paint and draw tools and their axis have fixed meanings. Chaninging that would be silly. Navigators and other such tools are separate business. -- Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
