More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools
Hello Again There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur -- sharpen and dodge -- burn. Pressing Ctrl will in combination with Shift limit the movements/stokes to horizontal movements. Okay so if you want to have only horizontal movements then you also get the opposite effect i.e sharpen instead of blur. This is _not_ good!!! Okay so if you want the opposite effect and want to e.g have only vertical movements? This will not work with short cuts. Anyway this will be a mess in short cuts and work around solutions. I think it's better to remove the "line" drawing function you will probably not use it as much as you use the short cut to change tool effect. A small question, why don't we use the AltGr button? Cheers Olof PS: As you might understand I'm adjusting the preliminary 1.0 help system to Gimp 1.2
Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools
Hi, There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur -- sharpen and dodge -- burn. Pressing Ctrl will in combination with Shift limit the movements/stokes to horizontal movements. Okay so if you want to have only horizontal movements then you also get the opposite effect i.e sharpen instead of blur. This is _not_ good!!! Okay so if you want the opposite effect and want to e.g have only vertical movements? This will not work with short cuts. Anyway this will be a mess in short cuts and work around solutions. I think it's better to remove the "line" drawing function you will probably not use it as much as you use the short cut to change tool effect. Yes, we have to overwork the modifier keys! I'd propose to use only a single modifier for constraining the movement into a special direction. The gradient/blend tool already offers this. Strg/Ctrl are bound to horizontal/vertical movements as usual. Shift shows what I am thinking of here: It limits you to 15 degrees steps. IMHO this works quite well and would free up one modifier. It should be possible to find one key that can then be used explicitely for constraints and would never have a different meaning. So my proposal is: Shift is used for line mode in all paint tools Ctrl is the default tool toggle key Alt limits your moevent to 15 degree directions We would have to drop Alt for "Allow Enlarging" in the CropResize tool, but I think we could live without that. Salut, Sven
Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools
Hello Yes, we have to overwork the modifier keys! HeHe ;-), it is more or less impossible to know what all of them do. I'd propose to use only a single modifier for constraining the movement into a special direction. The gradient/blend tool already offers this. Strg/Ctrl are bound to horizontal/vertical movements as usual. Shift shows what I am thinking of here: It limits you to 15 degrees steps. IMHO this works quite well and would free up one modifier. It should be possible to find one key that can then be used explicitely for constraints and would never have a different meaning. So my proposal is: Shift is used for line mode in all paint tools Ctrl is the default tool toggle key Alt limits your moevent to 15 degree directions We would have to drop Alt for "Allow Enlarging" in the CropResize tool, but I think we could live without that. I think that would be a _very_ nice solution !!! Lets go for it!! Cheers Olof
Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools
On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 01:08:03PM +0100, Olof S Kylander wrote: Hello Again There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur -- sharpen and dodge -- burn. Pressing Ctrl will in combination with Shift limit the movements/stokes to horizontal movements. Okay so if you want to have only horizontal movements then you also get the opposite effect i.e sharpen instead of blur. This is _not_ good!!! Okay so if you want the opposite effect and want to e.g have only vertical movements? This will not work with short cuts. Anyway this will be a mess in short cuts and work around solutions. I think it's better to remove the "line" drawing function you will probably not use it as much as you use the short cut to change tool effect. I find this annoying too. We simply have too much modifiers or something :) And I personally dont use the linedraw too much, though I need it sometimes. But I find the linedraw preview that always is on the way pretty annoying.. A small question, why don't we use the AltGr button? Most people use mouse with their right hand and thus have the left hand on the keyboard.. And AltGr is pretty far.. But I am left handed, so I'm all for this :) (no, I dont use the mouse in my left hand though.. I can control 2 pointer-devices simultaneously, navigating menus is IMHO easier with the mouse than with the tablet pen :) We also have Space if we need something. On Photoshop it is used for panning, but Gimp has mouse2 for that. Could Space be a toggle after all for the togglable tools? I know we had a talk about this a while back, and we agreed that Shift is a "natural" way to "shift" things.. But it is clearly conflicting at the moment.. I would be just happy to control the tool toggles (erase/antierase, fg/bg fill, blur/sharpen, dodge/burn) with SPACE. Thoughts? Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
Re: [gimp-devel] Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools
Tuomas Kuosmanen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We also have Space if we need something. On Photoshop it is used for panning, but Gimp has mouse2 for that. Could Space be a toggle after all for the togglable tools? I know we had a talk about this a while back, and we agreed that Shift is a "natural" way to "shift" things.. But it is clearly conflicting at the moment.. I would be just happy to control the tool toggles (erase/antierase, fg/bg fill, blur/sharpen, dodge/burn) with SPACE. Hmm - what do you think about dropping the panning (Ugh - no - dont beat me! :-) I think the Quick-navigation is much more useful and quicker. So we could use the middle mousebutton for an alternative function, maybe even a second device with an own context. Just my 0.01$ :-) Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/
