Re: [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] [Evolution] What do I do now?
On 25/10/22 15:42, Ralf via groups.io wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:43 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote: Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at https://groups.io/g/evolution-users https://groups.io/g/gimp-users Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and, I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set them up to be as temporary facilities. The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists that are being shut down. Hi, thank you again for your efforts. The Evolution mailing list at Gnome has around 850 subscribers, hence groups.io can't be a non-transient solution for this list. I think that we should wait and see what happens. So far, the membership numbers for the gimp and evolution users mailing lists that I set up at groups.io, are 14 and 28, respectively. When a mailing list is shut down, some go one way, and, others choose to go other ways. When the about 57,000 rootsweb,com mailing lists were shut down by ancestry.com, after taking over rootsweb.com, many of the list administrators created replacement lists at groups.io . In the migration, some people went to the replacement groups.io lists that were set up to replace the rootsweb,com mailing lists, some went to google groups, some went other ways, and, others just gave up. Whilst some lists had hundreds of members at rootsweb.com, the replacements lists at groups.io, for some of those lists, ended up having less than a hundred subscribers. Some lists at rootsweb.com, were merged into consolidated lists at groups.io, so that, for example, one list at groups.io, that now has slightly less than 100 subscribers, was a merge of three or four lists, that had about 300-400 subscribers. In any migration, whether it be mailing list subscribers, or wildebeest or kudzu or bison, losses will occur. Some of the people on some of the gnome lists, are being quite vocal about all kinds of possibilities, but, seem to be doing nothing about any of the possibilities. With the current membership numbers of the lists that I set up at groups.io, to replace the lists hosted at gnome.org, I expect that the number of subscribers on each, will not approach 100, as I believe that many people are simply giving up. But, I will wait and see what happens. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] [Evolution] What do I do now?
On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 08:31 +0800, Luigi via evolution-list wrote: Since we only have a few days left may I suggest the group focus on putting forwards what options we have and those actually doing the work can decide the best choice and we go for it (even if its not perfect). Hi, Savannah was also mentioned by the MC mailing list (IIRC not for the mailing list, but for tickets). https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/WhyChooseSavannah/ On the Gimp mailing list there was a pointer to https://www.tuxfamily.org/en/about . It would be nice if former gnome.org mailing lists migrate to the same new location. Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at https://groups.io/g/evolution-users https://groups.io/g/gimp-users IMO Savanna is a quite good idea, but FWIW Midnight Commander, Gimp, Gedit and Evolution have got BSD ports, too. Regards, Ralf Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and, I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set them up to be as temporary facilities. The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists that are being shut down. Of course, as I said in the messages announcing these lists, that I posted to the gnome.org mailing lists, it is up to you, to choose what you do. So, if you choose to leave the lists that I have set up to replace the gnome.org mailing lists that are being shut down, that is your choice. The lists that I have set up to replace the gnome.org mailing lists that are being shut down, are, and will be, available, if you choose to use them for seeking support for, and otherwise (appropriately) discussing the applicable software packages to which the lists relate. So, I did not set up these lists at groups.io, with the intent of them having an expiry date. They are there, for use for the purpose for which they were set up, as defined in the list description of each list that I set up. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:43 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote: > > Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at > > > > https://groups.io/g/evolution-users > > https://groups.io/g/gimp-users > > > > Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and, > I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set > them up to be as temporary facilities. > > The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists > that are being shut down. Hi, thank you again for your efforts. The Evolution mailing list at Gnome has around 850 subscribers, hence groups.io can't be a non-transient solution for this list. While I'm not against donations, I consider donations as a last resort, that should be avoided. The day we spend more money for donations, to keep FLOSS alive, than we spend for one time purchases to get proprietary software and free as in beer lifetime support, FLOSS is dead anyway. Somebody mentioned a proprietary replacement for Gimp, while I mentioned another FLOSS project for Gimp. I can't speak for this other person, but only for myself. It was not meant as trolling. Actually I'm using both, the proprietary software mentioned by this other person and the FLOSS software mentioned by me. I migrated a long time ago from Gimp to those other solutions and a few more for other reasons and I never bothered anybody by recommending to do the same. Mentioning an alternative was done due to the step made by the GNOME foundation, to drop the mailing lists without providing a reasonable replacement. I'm not completely pissed off by a forum, I'm completely pissed of by a forum with gamification. The other FLOSS software I mentioned (Krita) provides a mailing list. Btw. for those who are not only in pixel graphic, for photography there are anyway IMO way better solutions available, FLOSS as well as proprietary, to see just a few, take a look at https://lensfun.github.io/usage/ . IMO a plugin for Gimp still doesn't make it a good app for photography. YMMV! I'm not aware of software to my taste, that can replace Evolution for me and I used almost all known MUA software. While I'm not a MC user, for this purpose I'm in favour of command line with bashisms, I doubt that there's a replacement available for MC. As GUI editor I replaced Gedit for other reasons a long time ago by Pluma and Pluma by Xed and I even used Kate and similar. However, I never joined a mailing list for any of these editors. In a nutshell: IMO a free as in beer mailing list is useful for some apps and I expect it should be able to hold way more than 100 subscribers and not be limited to 1 GiB. Apart from replacing a dropped mailing list by a new mailing list another workaround/solution could be replacing an app by another app. For me and for some other users replacing a mailing list by Discourse is no option. Regards, Ralf ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
