Re: [GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022, 12:57 Alain D D Williams via GLLUG, < gllug@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote: > I am going to have to get a new 'phone as my current on is 2G/3G only and > they > are going to be switched off. I am with Giffgaff (which uses the O2 > network). > The first thing I would note is that this likely won't happen for a long while yet. BBC are reporting 2033 for the government mandated switch off, and while it's likely mobile networks will start this work sooner than that, I expect by that time the smartphone landscape will look quite different from what it is now. For one thing 5G would likely be much more common and 4G devices will be significantly cheaper. However if you are looking at this now I have some ideas. > I would like to run Debian on what I get - something that I can trust - > unlike > Android which uploads stuff to google. > Does anyone have any experience with this ? What should I look for ? What > avoid ? > > I do not have big needs for a 'phone: voice, SMS, camera (high resolution > not > needed), Internet (to tether my laptop & occasional web browsing) is about > it. > If running a trusted OS then I might add ssh. > One thing to consider giving your requirements is a Chromebook with a 4G module. They generally can run any Linux distro given some work. Check out John Lewis (the Chromebook guy not the shop). They're also often cheaper than high end smart phones. Although this option is very unlikely to fit in to your pocket. Another thing is to look for Android phones that can be flashed with custom firmware. I've been out of this community for a while. One I know that is still continuing is the Sony Android Open Source Project that lets you build your own images and flash them. Definitely would be possible to create an image with better privacy, given work. I still think XDA Developers is the best place to keep on top of this stuff. > TIA > > -- > Alain Williams > Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT > Lecturer. > +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ > Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: > https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html > #include > > -- > GLLUG mailing list > GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
Re: [GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
aidangcole--- via GLLUG writes: > You have a bit of choice:- > > Linux based:- > > Pinephone, (will allow you to run a choice of different Linux based > offerings) > > Sailfish - https://sailfishos.org/ with offerings from Jolla - > https://shop.jolla.com/ > > Volla - https://volla.online/en/index.html > > > Then there's the android based things but without the google > spyware/malware:- > > Lineage - https://lineageos.org/ - this is very much a case of rolling > your own > > /e/ or Murena - https://e.foundation/ - very polished, competent and > stable build that leaves you in charge - uses Micro-G service for the > apps, but pretty much what you need will be good to go right out of the > box. Wide range of hardware compatibility. Free cloud services offering > too which is based on Nextcloud. > > Graphene OS - https://grapheneos.org/ - a miliary-grade 'droid right out > of the box that also leaves you in charge. Doggedly reliable, only runs > on Pixel hardware. I notice (via planet.debian.org) that Matthew Garrett just blogged this counter-example of something that looks like it probably ought to be on the above list ... until you scratch the surface: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/59479.html which is saying that Freephone (and it's ClearOS) don't live up to their privacy/security claims by quite some distance. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
Re: [GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
You have a bit of choice:- Linux based:- Pinephone, (will allow you to run a choice of different Linux based offerings) Sailfish - https://sailfishos.org/ with offerings from Jolla - https://shop.jolla.com/ Volla - https://volla.online/en/index.html Then there's the android based things but without the google spyware/malware:- Lineage - https://lineageos.org/ - this is very much a case of rolling your own /e/ or Murena - https://e.foundation/ - very polished, competent and stable build that leaves you in charge - uses Micro-G service for the apps, but pretty much what you need will be good to go right out of the box. Wide range of hardware compatibility. Free cloud services offering too which is based on Nextcloud. Graphene OS - https://grapheneos.org/ - a miliary-grade 'droid right out of the box that also leaves you in charge. Doggedly reliable, only runs on Pixel hardware. Aidan On 16/04/2022 13:35, MJ via GLLUG wrote: Hi Alain, As Martin said, Having in mind your constraint, you can not have a choice of G free hardware by https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#devices ;/ There is a French developers iode, but their security app is still closed source. NO wonder! https://iode.tech/en/iodeos-installation/ -- MJ On Saturday, 16 April 2022, 13:18:06 BST, Martin A. Brooks via GLLUG wrote: On 2022-04-16 12:55, Alain D D Williams via GLLUG wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with this ? What should I look for ? > What avoid ? AFAIK you have precisely one vendor option that will fit your requirements, a PinePhone. -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
Re: [GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
Hi Alain, As Martin said, Having in mind your constraint, you can not have a choice of G free hardware by https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#devices ;/ There is a French developers iode, but their security app is still closed source. NO wonder! https://iode.tech/en/iodeos-installation/ -- MJ On Saturday, 16 April 2022, 13:18:06 BST, Martin A. Brooks via GLLUG wrote: On 2022-04-16 12:55, Alain D D Williams via GLLUG wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with this ? What should I look for ? > What avoid ? AFAIK you have precisely one vendor option that will fit your requirements, a PinePhone. -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
Re: [GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
On 2022-04-16 12:55, Alain D D Williams via GLLUG wrote: Does anyone have any experience with this ? What should I look for ? What avoid ? AFAIK you have precisely one vendor option that will fit your requirements, a PinePhone. -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
[GLLUG] Debian mobile phone
I am going to have to get a new 'phone as my current on is 2G/3G only and they are going to be switched off. I am with Giffgaff (which uses the O2 network). I would like to run Debian on what I get - something that I can trust - unlike Android which uploads stuff to google. Does anyone have any experience with this ? What should I look for ? What avoid ? I do not have big needs for a 'phone: voice, SMS, camera (high resolution not needed), Internet (to tether my laptop & occasional web browsing) is about it. If running a trusted OS then I might add ssh. TIA -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include -- GLLUG mailing list GLLUG@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug
