Books
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm thinking about getting W. Richard Stevens book Unix Network Programming. Not for any particular reason other than I know he's a great author, and from I've heard, all his books are fantastic. What I was wondering though, is this book more a reference book, or a tutorial book? I've got his Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment book, but found that to be more of a reference than anything else. What are his other books like? Any recommendations on good books to get? (I haven't bought any good books lately, and am itching to go to SoftPro since I now work less than 5 minutes away :) Thanks! - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8yASuuweSOVPxKO4RAhXdAJ919DidrsNS9Ha7ZL98r8qvscfBwQCdF99Y UVyL4HM50acEHOmtOAVoE/o= =2Hpp -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 09:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his other books like? Any recommendations on good books to get? (I haven't bought any good books lately, and am itching to go to SoftPro since I now work less than 5 minutes away :) Some of my recommendatins from SoftPro would be: http://store.yahoo.com/softpro/1-56592-861-x.html http://store.yahoo.com/softpro/1-56592-861-x.html http://store.yahoo.com/softpro/1-928994-70-9.html - HackProofing your Network http://store.yahoo.com/softpro/0-7897-2376-x.html - Think UNIX C-Ya, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm thinking about getting W. Richard Stevens book Unix Network Programming. Not for any particular reason other than I know he's a great author, and from I've heard, all his books are fantastic. What I was wondering though, is this book more a reference book, or a tutorial book? I've got his Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment book, but found that to be more of a reference than anything else. I think that it's both. I'm not interested in debating this; this is my opinion. I use this book every day. You cannot go wrong by buying this book. What are his other books like? TCP/IP Illustrated Vol1 is a good book too -- very well written, and augments his UNP vol1 2ed book very well. If you are interested in kernel issues, TCP/IP Illustrated Vol2 is very good. It's very oriented towards BSD though. TCP/IP Illustrated Vol3 is very good if you're interested in the subjects it covers... UNP vol2 2ed is very good if you're interested in interprocess communications. Any recommendations on good books to get? (I haven't bought any good books lately, and am itching to go to SoftPro since I now work less than 5 minutes away :) _Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World_, Haruki Murakami. Oh, were you asking about technical books? (-: --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark (CetaceanNetworks.com!kclark) | Cetacean Networks, Inc. | Give me a decent UNIX Portsmouth, N.H. (USA)| and I can move the world alumni.unh.edu!kdc (PGP Key Available)| * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: 25 Apr 2002 10:42:38 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: _Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World_, Haruki Murakami. Oh, were you asking about technical books? (-: No, not necessarilly. If it's that good and worth reading, I'll definitely add it to my To Read When I Get Time list :) - -- Seeya, Paul - It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8yCUOuweSOVPxKO4RAi5eAJ0W2CBtDhvweSha0IWsyA0s2V7HCQCggnxQ DCS7kibY2CdF/DMLTzbd67s= =E3t3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: 25 Apr 2002 10:42:38 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: I think that it's both. I'm not interested in debating this; this is my opinion. I use this book every day. You cannot go wrong by buying this book. What are his other books like? TCP/IP Illustrated Vol1 is a good book too -- very well written, and augments his UNP vol1 2ed book very well. If you are interested in kernel issues, TCP/IP Illustrated Vol2 is very good. It's very oriented towards BSD though. My biggest problem is that I'm interested in everything :) TCP/IP Illustrated Vol3 is very good if you're interested in the subjects it covers... UNP vol2 2ed is very good if you're interested in interprocess communications. Would it be worth getting UNP vol 1 2? Do they go together, or would it be better to get UNP vol 1 and TCP/IP Illustrated vol 1? I'm just generally interested in learning about network programming, and hoping to find something I use in there to sharpen my C skills (which are just barely sharp enough to cut my way out of a very wet paper bag with :) - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8yCXBuweSOVPxKO4RAi4nAKDL9vbiVdRyF5ZaXVN6ja1gkeAvfwCcDI/b ARRVLGJrmjV7+KxDM7p6ut8= =ImsM -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm thinking about getting W. Richard Stevens book Unix Network Programming. Not for any particular reason other than I know he's a great author, and from I've heard, all his books are fantastic. Yup. What I was wondering though, is this book more a reference book, or a tutorial book? It's a lot of both. There's quite a bit of reference material, but there's also a lot of sample code. I've got his Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment book, but found that to be more of a reference than anything else. Well, to me a reference is sorta like the description + synopsis sections of the man pages. They tell you what it does and what the syntax is, but don't really talk about how to use it. APITUE does also have a lot of this, but it gives a fair amount of example code and often quite lengthy discussions about some topics. Unix Network Programming does also give a lot of reference-type material, but it gives more example code than APITUE. There are whole programs, including complete implementations of some common network programs, and (IIRC) an implementation of lpd. However, the original Unix Network Programming is really old and outdated. There's a newer, two-volume set which supersedes it. You want volume two of that set. :) IIRC, volume one is basically how to implement the protocols. Also probably a good read, but I haven't really looked at it. What are his other books like? Any recommendations on good books to get? (I haven't bought any good books lately, and am itching to go to SoftPro since I now work less than 5 minutes away :) If all you want to do is learn socket programming, you might want to look at _Linux Socket Programming by Example_. It has pretty up-to-date information and gives lots and lots of example code. I found it a pretty good read (for a programming guide) and not too tough to follow. However, IMO Stevens does a much more in-depth job of explaining how things work, and I think the author of this book in places shows where he has gaps in his knowledge. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yD4VdjdlQoHP510RAjPGAJ0YYwVuFHB9/fwAwVBZ4fH8EafIZwCeLJkX 1ij1EbtkaP+5yEKAJFtD8h8= =uIEg -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Books
I'm just generally interested in learning about network programming, and hoping to find something I use in there to sharpen my C skills (which are just barely sharp enough to cut my way out of a very wet paper bag with :) Pick up a copy of the GNU C Library reference while you at it. It's available online, but nothing beats reading a good ref book in bed :-). I started reading it (yes reading it) and I was amazed that glibc has functions for hashes and trees. I'm halfway thru volume 1. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
CS books (was: Knuth (was: Python))
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: I bought Brook's book because I've heard so much about it over the years and wanted to see what it was all about. Perhaps the most interesting insight I gained from _The Mythical Man-month_ was that the problems that programmers struggled with in the 1960s are the same problems programmers struggle with in 2002. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: books on firewalls
Ouch, glad I didn't ask you all to review my books. That being said, let me say a few things. Linux is continually moving at a very fast pace. For firewalls, take a look at what's happened over the past few years: we went from just routing to ipfwadm to ipchains and now iptables. It will be a few months at least before books even start to mention iptables, let alone tell you how to use it. Books will take anywhere up to a year to be written and published, meaning that at the very least, kernel information is way way out of date. I doubt there's a book on the market (excepting the hastily-published books about RH 7 that have no practical information at all) that tells you about using USB. In my previous books, I pretty much wound up pointing readers to the man pages and to the LDP, as that information is much more up to date. And the biggest complaint I saw about my books was that I never gave enough information, but if I did give enough information, it was out of date. This isn't to excuse the authors or publishers, but keep in mind that by the time you see a book on the shelf, the contents may be very old. As you should always do when buying books, flip through a few pages. Think up a question and see how easily you can find what you're looking for. See if it's more of a tutorial or a reference. References are hard to learn from, and tutorials make finding specific information a bit difficult. Depending on the store, ask someone that works there. -Mark Matthew J. Brodeur wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? I'll throw in another negative recommendation. Firewalls: A Complete Guide, by Marcus Goncalves. I had the misfortune of acquiring this book for a college course on firewalls. The entire is simply restatements of Usenet postings and marketing web pages, most of which are grossly out of date. There is a surprising lack of useful content for a 670pg, $55 book. I was especially shocked by the 12 page Perl script _printed_ in the book, when it's already included on the CD and the web site. -- -Matt Laugh at your problems; everybody else does. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** -- Mark Komarinski - Senior Systems Engineer - VA Linux Systems (cell) 978-697-2228 (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have one day pleasant - Babelfish ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
Building Internet Firewalls by O'reilly and Building Linux and FreeBSD Firewalls. I also recommend Maximum Linux Security and Hackproofing your Network as general security guides. I would advise *AGAINST* Rob Zeiglers book, building Linux firewalls. There are many, many reasons why, one of which is the fact that it is extremely inaccurate. Kenny At 06:09 AM 3/12/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. BTW, how many people are on this list? A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. Has it gone down lately? Bob Sparks Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** - Kenneth E. Lussier Geek by nature, Linux by choice PGP keyID: 0xD71DF198 Public key available @ http://pgp.mit.edu ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: People, What is the best book on firewalls? Best one I've seen is _Building Linux OpenBSD Firewalls_, by Sonnenreich Yates. jeff --- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 --- Thought for today: some random X adj. Used to indicate a member of class X, with the implication that Xs are interchangeable. I think some random cracker tripped over the guest timeout last night. See also J. Random. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
Looks like everyone has strong opinions here. I'd just like to add my $.02 here of how to most efficiently implement your firewall after you've written all those different books of varying quality. There's a package out there called pmfirewall. (Check out where via freshmeat). There are a number of gui tools out there to help create your firewall. My conclusion is that they all suck. The best way to do it is to use pmfirewall, a perl program, which asks you a bunch of questions and then produces a firewall as output. What it produces is remarkably complete in that it provides files which interface into /etc/rc.d. It distinguishes between system level components of the firewall and local customizations. After pmfirewall produces its output it's very easy to make mods to further customize. -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =People, = =What is the best book on firewalls? = =Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. =Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. =The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. =BTW, how many people are on this list? =A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. =Has it gone down lately? = =Bob Sparks =Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
RE: books on firewalls
Wow...after two messages of this nature against Zeigler's book, I'm starting to wonder if he may be an M$ employee trying to subvert the cause. :-) -Larry -Original Message- From: Kenneth E. Lussier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: books on firewalls Building Internet Firewalls by O'reilly and Building Linux and FreeBSD Firewalls. I also recommend Maximum Linux Security and Hackproofing your Network as general security guides. I would advise *AGAINST* Rob Zeiglers book, building Linux firewalls. There are many, many reasons why, one of which is the fact that it is extremely inaccurate. Kenny At 06:09 AM 3/12/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. BTW, how many people are on this list? A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. Has it gone down lately? Bob Sparks Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** - Kenneth E. Lussier Geek by nature, Linux by choice PGP keyID: 0xD71DF198 Public key available @ http://pgp.mit.edu ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: Building Internet Firewalls by O'reilly and Building Linux and FreeBSD Firewalls. I also recommend Maximum Linux Security and Hackproofing your Network as general security guides. I would advise *AGAINST* Rob Zeiglers book, building Linux firewalls. There are many, many reasons why, one of which is the fact that it is extremely inaccurate. OK, I'm going to have to have another look at it. I have a small shelf of security related books, and I thought that was one of te good ones. Obviuosly, I was mistaken. Kenny At 06:09 AM 3/12/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. BTW, how many people are on this list? A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. Has it gone down lately? Bob Sparks Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** - Kenneth E. Lussier Geek by nature, Linux by choice PGP keyID: 0xD71DF198 Public key available @ http://pgp.mit.edu ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** -- Thomas M. Albright Albright Enterprises - The Small Business Solution http://www.albrightent.com/ ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
In a message dated: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:09:38 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What is the best book on firewalls? I don't know about *best*, but O'Reilly has a good one out. BTW, how many people are on this list? Hmm, don't know. Did you try sending a 'who' or 'list' command to the majordomo server and piping that though wc -l? -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? I'll throw in another negative recommendation. Firewalls: A Complete Guide, by Marcus Goncalves. I had the misfortune of acquiring this book for a college course on firewalls. The entire is simply restatements of Usenet postings and marketing web pages, most of which are grossly out of date. There is a surprising lack of useful content for a 670pg, $55 book. I was especially shocked by the 12 page Perl script _printed_ in the book, when it's already included on the CD and the web site. -- -Matt Laugh at your problems; everybody else does. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, What is the best book on firewalls? Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Zeigler (New Riders Publishing) Maximum Linux Security by Anonymous (SAMS Publishing) Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. BTW, how many people are on this list? A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. Has it gone down lately? Bob Sparks Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** -- Thomas M. Albright Albright Enterprises - The Small Business Solution http://www.albrightent.com/ ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: books on firewalls
In a message dated: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:39:08 EST Thomas M. Albright said: Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Zeigler (New Riders Publishing) I have to completely disagree on this one. Ziegler's book is horrible, he's a poor writer, and very uninformed. You can leard more about Linux firewalls by reading the man pages for ipfwadm, ipchains or iptables, and really working at it. He glosses over a tremendous amount in his book, and actually makes statements like I don't know what this does, but I always use it, or, I don't know what this does, but it doesn't seem to make a difference! Very dangerous statements coming from a supposed security expert. Maximum Linux Security by Anonymous (SAMS Publishing) I've heard great things about this one, but wasn't aware it had firewall stuff in it. Hmm, good to know, thanks. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
books on firewalls
People, What is the best book on firewalls? Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast. Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe. The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message. BTW, how many people are on this list? A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400. Has it gone down lately? Bob Sparks Linux mouth (one of many) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Linux Event at Softpro Books/ Marlboro Tomorrow
FYI - Softpro Books, O'Reilly, VA Linux Systems, the Worcester LUG and the Boston UNIX Linux UG are doing Linux Day at the new Softpro in Marlboro, MA. Saturday, Feb 19. All are welcome. Details below. http://www.softpro.com/events.html ccb ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux books
In a message dated: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:54:57 +0100 Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan said: Hi Everybody, Tanenbaum!? Don't let Linus hear that that! ;-) Oh yeah, I just recall some confrontation. What was that exactly? Minix-Linux war? Tannenbaum mentioned that if Linus were one of his OS students he's have failed Linus because the "monolithic" kernel is obsolete and the way of the future is micro-kernels, like minix. Linus replied with something like "Well, I'm not your student, and Linux works better than minix :P" :) Or something like that. -- Seeya, Paul Doing something stupid always costs less (up front) than doing something intelligent. A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux Books
My starting books were: Mastering Linux, Premium Edition (covers Linux and such common apps as Apache) Running Linux and I'm considering getting maddog's Linux for Dummies jeff smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know a good book to get someone started in Linux? I have only light network admin experience in an NT environment. Where do I begin? Is there a dummies book or a better equivalent? Lori ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux books
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan wrote: Tanenbaum!? Don't let Linus hear that that! ;-) Oh yeah, I just recall some confrontation. What was that exactly? Basically, Tanenbaum posted something to comp.os.minix that "Linux was obsolete" because it used a monolithic kernel. He went on to say that Linus would have failed his OS class, etc., etc. Linus flamed him back. Since then, Linux has gone on to arguably greater real-world success then anything Tanenbaum ever came up with, which I'm sure irks him to no end. :-) There is a collection of the posts here: http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
