Re: Linux taking over
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 17:43 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote: However, they are calling it Nova? It is one thing for GM to try to sell a car in countries where the name translates to it does not go, but last I checked, Cuba's native tongue was Spanish. The Nova thing is an urban myth. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp In Spanish, Nova means the explosion of a star, same as it does in English. I took Spanish for 4 years in high school and it seems to me that they are a little off base about the impact of the name. While nova may not mean doesn't go, the phrase No va does. (va, being the el/ella/usted form of the infinitive verb ir meaning to go) Yes, it's probably not the phrase that one would specifically choose to describe a non-functioning vehicle, it's still awfully big fodder for mockery. Imagine a car company in the US marketing a vehicle called the Nogo. I doubt it would get out of that lightly. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? Cole Tuininga co...@code-energy.com http://www.code-energy.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Help - Cisco 7920 on my Asterisk box...
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com wrote: I meant Star, not Start. Neither sequence works!! Sigh... The USB cable and software is ~$300... making the effort not worthwhile. Hopefully I'll find something. Your looking at the options that appear under phone settings after you try them, right? -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
OT: International Homographs WAS: Re: Linux taking over
From: Cole Tuininga co...@code-energy.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:21:28 -0500 Imagine a car company in the US marketing a vehicle called the Nogo. I doubt it would get out of that lightly. The English language example which the snopes entry uses is the hypothetical brand name Notable, which can be misread as either No table or Not able. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? I love that .sig. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Linux taking over
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote: In Spanish, Nova means the explosion of a star, same as it does in English. Snopes is too literal. Slight mis-pronunciations are the stuff jokes are made of in any language. Just, just like Ford stands for Fix Or Repair Daily, or Yugo can be followed by no where . Snopes even pointed that out. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Help - Cisco 7920 on my Asterisk box...
Yep... as soon as I press the sequence, I look at phone settings... Their should be an option to Reset to Factory settings -- it's not there. Do you know anyone with the USB cable/software? :-) Gerry On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com wrote: I meant Star, not Start. Neither sequence works!! Sigh... The USB cable and software is ~$300... making the effort not worthwhile. Hopefully I'll find something. Your looking at the options that appear under phone settings after you try them, right? -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
A gentle reminder of this most momentous occasion tonight. Remember that Ben offered to buy the first (and perhaps only) round of drinks! Please RSVP so we can get an area big enough (and so Ben can figure out how much money to pull from the bank). At 11:31:30pm UTC on Feb 13, 2009, Unix time will reach 1,234,567,890. Where will you be at this momentous second? - from Bell Labs This will be Friday, February 13th at 1831 and 30 seconds EST (1531 and 30 seconds PST). Now if there was any reason to fear Friday the 13th, I think this is it. That many numbers sequentially in a row representative of time? Who knows what will stop working? Will lex(1) cease to work, will yacc(1)s everywhere revolt? Will the rapture be upon us? I remember asking Alan Cox about UNIX (note that I spelled UNIX in all capital letters, as it should be) time in 1999. I was confident that most UNIX systems would not be adversely affected by Y2K, but I knew about a hidden time-bomb in the year 2038, when the UNIX epoch comes to an end. Alan assured me that Linux was now working on 64-bit time, and its roll-over would happen about the time that the sun burnt out. And while this upcoming event is not a roll-over, nevertheless this coming Friday the 13th I will be holding my breath I intend on being at the place where I have the best chance of surviving this potential catastrophe and where I can personally do the most good: =Martha's Exchange Restaurant in Nashua, New Hampshire, USA= While our friends at Bell Labs (er, ah, LucentO.K. Alcatel-Lucent) rush to understand this phenomenon, I will be doing my civic duty by drinking fine beer, and maybe an Islay scotch. This is hard to do while you are holding your breath, but I will suffer through. Who knows, perhaps the U.S. government will give us a bailout to study this issue. Who will join me as we watch the time of UNIX line up? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list gnhlug-annou...@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
Not to be too pedantic about this, but 11:31:30 UTC is 16:31:30 EST there is only a 5hr time difference. Chris On 2/13/09, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: A gentle reminder of this most momentous occasion tonight. Remember that Ben offered to buy the first (and perhaps only) round of drinks! Please RSVP so we can get an area big enough (and so Ben can figure out how much money to pull from the bank). At 11:31:30pm UTC on Feb 13, 2009, Unix time will reach 1,234,567,890. Where will you be at this momentous second? - from Bell Labs This will be Friday, February 13th at 1831 and 30 seconds EST (1531 and 30 seconds PST). Now if there was any reason to fear Friday the 13th, I think this is it. That many numbers sequentially in a row representative of time? Who knows what will stop working? Will lex(1) cease to work, will yacc(1)s everywhere revolt? Will the rapture be upon us? I remember asking Alan Cox about UNIX (note that I spelled UNIX in all capital letters, as it should be) time in 1999. I was confident that most UNIX systems would not be adversely affected by Y2K, but I knew about a hidden time-bomb in the year 2038, when the UNIX epoch comes to an end. Alan assured me that Linux was now working on 64-bit time, and its roll-over would happen about the time that the sun burnt out. And while this upcoming event is not a roll-over, nevertheless this coming Friday the 13th I will be holding my breath I intend on being at the place where I have the best chance of surviving this potential catastrophe and where I can personally do the most good: =Martha's Exchange Restaurant in Nashua, New Hampshire, USA= While our friends at Bell Labs (er, ah, LucentO.K. Alcatel-Lucent) rush to understand this phenomenon, I will be doing my civic duty by drinking fine beer, and maybe an Islay scotch. This is hard to do while you are holding your breath, but I will suffer through. Who knows, perhaps the U.S. government will give us a bailout to study this issue. Who will join me as we watch the time of UNIX line up? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list gnhlug-annou...@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- IBA #15631 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:06:27AM -0500, Chris wrote: Not to be too pedantic about this, but 11:31:30 UTC is 16:31:30 EST there is only a 5hr time difference. Only if you add instead of subtract :-). 23:31:30 minus 5 is 18:31:30 I only mention it so that I can post the other niffty time today: 5% date -r 1234554321 Fri Feb 13 14:45:21 EST 2009 which appeals to palindromanticists. mm (yes, I know, I used a BSDism) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
DohWhichever way I worked it out, I totally spaced out on the calculation, I didn't even realize the 'PM' because I am so used to working with the 24hr clock, I automatically assumed it was AM, but even if it were AM, then I was still way off the mark Ignore what I said about the timing. I hope you all enjoy the epoch, I wil have my own quiet epoch marking ceremony with a nice glass of 12yr old McCallan. Chris Chris On 2/13/09, Chris fj1...@gmail.com wrote: Not to be too pedantic about this, but 11:31:30 UTC is 16:31:30 EST there is only a 5hr time difference. Chris On 2/13/09, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: A gentle reminder of this most momentous occasion tonight. Remember that Ben offered to buy the first (and perhaps only) round of drinks! Please RSVP so we can get an area big enough (and so Ben can figure out how much money to pull from the bank). At 11:31:30pm UTC on Feb 13, 2009, Unix time will reach 1,234,567,890. Where will you be at this momentous second? - from Bell Labs This will be Friday, February 13th at 1831 and 30 seconds EST (1531 and 30 seconds PST). Now if there was any reason to fear Friday the 13th, I think this is it. That many numbers sequentially in a row representative of time? Who knows what will stop working? Will lex(1) cease to work, will yacc(1)s everywhere revolt? Will the rapture be upon us? I remember asking Alan Cox about UNIX (note that I spelled UNIX in all capital letters, as it should be) time in 1999. I was confident that most UNIX systems would not be adversely affected by Y2K, but I knew about a hidden time-bomb in the year 2038, when the UNIX epoch comes to an end. Alan assured me that Linux was now working on 64-bit time, and its roll-over would happen about the time that the sun burnt out. And while this upcoming event is not a roll-over, nevertheless this coming Friday the 13th I will be holding my breath I intend on being at the place where I have the best chance of surviving this potential catastrophe and where I can personally do the most good: =Martha's Exchange Restaurant in Nashua, New Hampshire, USA= While our friends at Bell Labs (er, ah, LucentO.K. Alcatel-Lucent) rush to understand this phenomenon, I will be doing my civic duty by drinking fine beer, and maybe an Islay scotch. This is hard to do while you are holding your breath, but I will suffer through. Who knows, perhaps the U.S. government will give us a bailout to study this issue. Who will join me as we watch the time of UNIX line up? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list gnhlug-annou...@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- IBA #15631 -- IBA #15631 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
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Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.1234567890day.com/ http://coolepochcountdown.com/ That one updates the title bar, too. :) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
On Friday 13 February 2009 10:25, Mark E. Mallett wrote: I only mention it so that I can post the other niffty time today: 5% date -r 1234554321 Fri Feb 13 14:45:21 EST 2009 which appeals to palindromanticists. http://www.jenandneil.com/v/Events/UnixTime/Unix+time+palindrome.png.html I got the palindrome so far... another few hours and I should get a nice screenshot of the straight sequence. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: OT: International Homographs WAS: Re: Linux taking over
Huh? what? Why? On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 01:13:57PM +, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? I love that .sig. :) -- Funniest signatures series: (found posted to a public email list) IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
WAY OT: top posting WAS: OT: International Homographs WAS: Re: Linux taking over
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:13 AM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? I love that .sig. How about this one: A: Sure. There are a lot of email clients that support organizing by thread, like gmail, Thunderbird, and news readers typically do it by default. Top, buttom, and in-line posts are all equally readble in such a setup. Best to follow the conventions your self of the list you are on, but don't let others get you down if they don't. Peace out. Save the whales. Love thy neighbor, and his wife. =p Oh, Behave! Q: Since you can't rely on all humans in any large group to follow convention 100% of the time, is there any technical solution? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
linux accounting software or cheap winxp
I've been using accounting software on my old winNT computer, which is just about dead. I was able to close out the year by moving the software to my Linux laptop and using crossover office. However, there are too many glitches to stick with this for the long term. I could not find any adequate business accounting packages for Linux. Intuit offers web based accounting BUT even their web based accounting requires winXP/Vista and IE. If any of you know of an alternative that will work with Linux let me know. Vista was discarded off my daughter's new laptop. I can run Vista using vmware, but the performance is poor. I'm thinking of getting a winXP netbook. I could move winXP into a vmware server and install a Linux distro on the netbook. Or even get a netbook with a disk drive and split it between winXP and Linux. Simply buying winXP is well over $100 and I don't get much for my money. At least a netbook gives me a useful piece of hardware. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-220-441 Any opinions? -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: This will be Friday, February 13th at 1831 and 30 seconds EST (1531 and 30 seconds PST). So it's me, maddog, Kenta, Kenta's friend, and Craig. Where the hell is everybody? We done been stood up! -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: linux accounting software or cheap winxp
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com wrote: I could not find any adequate business accounting packages for Linux. In the past, I examined Quasar Accounting from Linux Canada http://www.linuxcanada.com/. The core is GPL. True client/server. Runs on Linux and Windows. It seemed kind of like a QuickBooks clone, except without all the fancy graphics and Accounting 101 help files. From a technical perspective, it appeared very solid. Unfortunately, I know nothing of accounting, so I could not test that aspect (which is, of course, the important aspect). But I would be really interested in hearing about someone who reviewed it from that POV. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: linux accounting software or cheap winxp
Lloyd Kvam wrote: I could not find any adequate business accounting packages for Linux. It's been a couple of years since I evaluated them, but here's a few packages I checked out back then which looked reasonable. Without knowing what depth purpose of accounting software you need, it is hard to advise which is best. In alphabetical order: Appgen AccPac - pricey if I recollect, I think it is Sage now American Business Systems (ABS) GnuCash - Very Basic Open Systems Inc. (OSAS) - this looked best for my application at the time; seemed pretty well-rounded SBT - I believe this is long gone, but I did use an older version under Linux once; it was quite good and source code open years ago SQL Ledger - looked good, but required a lot of work to configure, if I recollect Vigilant for Linux There's a listing of about 300 Linux accounting packages here: http://www.findaccountingsoftware.com/software/browse/serveros/17 The same site lists other operating systems too. http://www.findaccountingsoftware.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: linux accounting software or cheap winxp
From: Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:29:27 -0500 I could not find any adequate business accounting packages for Linux. IIRC, this has been discussed previously on this list. Have you tried searching the list archives? I haven't. And I don't remember if I've babbled about Gnucash, yet. So, at the risk of repeating myself... There's a GTK-based (gnome-based glade-based guile-based...) accounting package called Gnucash (www.gnucash.org). I used to use it for my personal accounting and accounting homework while I took accounting classes. It had most of the features that an accountant would look for... and then some. You could specify funds in different currencies, pull exchange rates in from Yahoo, etc. However, it was also missing some functionality that I needed. So, I ended up contributing some code to the project and was happy with it. That is, except for the crashes. For reasons only my CPU may ever know, Gnucash decided to crash every ten or so transactions I entered into it. My workaround was to save early and often, but it eventually got to be so annoying that I stopped using Gnucash all together. Current versions may be more stable. The one I was using wasn't. The version of Gnucash I used had rudimentary support for business functions like vendor/customer accounts, invoicing, etc. But it couldn't automate payroll or payroll taxes. Those still had to be done manually. Again, the version which I was using must now be at least three years old. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: linux accounting software or cheap winxp
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: From: Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:29:27 -0500 I could not find any adequate business accounting packages for Linux. There's a GTK-based (gnome-based glade-based guile-based...) accounting package called Gnucash (www.gnucash.org). My wife and I have been using Gnucash at home for the past 2 1/2 years. We're running the version that can be had with apt-get on Ubuntu. We're using this strictly for personal finance purposes. The reason we went with Gnucash is because of the $0 cost. Also, we can run it remotely using X11 on our Mac laptop when it's convenient. Overall, it seems to be somewhat rough around the edges, but it serves our purpose. We started with almost no knowledge of accounting, so we got a short tutorial on accounting from the Gnucash manual (assets, liabilities, income, expenses). I've had some brief exposure to QuickBooks and it seems like they use the same concepts. They have a bunch of reports defined that you can use (transaction report, balance sheet, etc). These do have some options that you can change in the GUI, but we've found that sometimes it's easier to just use a spreadsheet to get exactly what we want. Currently, we're using the manual process of one of us reading out numbers and the other one entering them into a spreadsheet. This would seem inefficient, but we use this as an opportunity to review each line item. If you want to do more advanced customizations of reports or invoices, then you might have to brush up on your Scheme skills and edit the source code of the report. For what it's worth, I think they are trying to target the needs of the business user and many of the new features seem to be geared towards businesses. Also, recently, they've ported it to Windows and are releasing Windows binaries with each release. That is, except for the crashes. For reasons only my CPU may ever know, Gnucash decided to crash every ten or so transactions I entered into it. My workaround was to save early and often, but it eventually got to be so annoying that I stopped using Gnucash all together. Current versions may be more stable. The one I was using wasn't. I think Gnucash has gotten better since you used it. We've gotten in the habit of saving after each transaction because it used to crash more often. I filed a bug report on Ubuntu about one persistant crash and it turned out to be an inconsistancy in one of the libraries that Gnucash was using. That problem was fixed in the next release of Ubuntu. We used to have crashes every other time we used it, but now I can't remember the last time it has crashed (Gnucash 2.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04). Peter ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/