Re: New Year's Cleaning
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I remember seeing a nice Macintosh emulator for Irix once. I remember trying to get the IRIX Doom port running on an Indigo, just for kicks. It crashed the system. I still remember all the pretty GUI graphics vanishing in an eye-blink, to be replaced with a plain blue text screen (hey, this sounds familiar!) with the message: PANIC: KERNEL FAULT ... and some kind of register dump. I thought for sure I was gonna be fired, but it rebooted okay. *phew* We ran it too. And the flight simultor with dogfighting. Everyone wanted the Onyx. Once upon a time there was a usenix post about SGI's transition from Irix 4.x (custom for each cpu/system) to 5.x (universal) and then engineering issues. It was a mini Mythical Man Month that I haven't been able to find since. Trivia: The original Doom's original map editor (used in-house at id Software to build the game) ran only on a Unix-like system. It was either an SGI or NeXT platform, I forget which. DOS PCs at the time barely had enough power to run the game; they couldn't edit it. NeXT. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: An Xmas present for you to peruse, comment, and mull..
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jeffry Smith jsm...@alum.mit.edu wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Basically, there's historically been confusion over whether `OSS' could qualify as `COTS'--due at least in part do our own community's willingness to use open and commercial as opposing terms, implying an equivalence between OSS and non-commercial (where the latter term is actually pretty antithetical...). Check the DoD links I sent earlier - there should be no confusion any more. DoD defines OSS as COTS now. There is even a sourceforge for the SIPRnet: http://www.disa.mil/forge/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[Fwd: Re: An Xmas present for you to peruse, comment, and mull..]
Joshua, I will not comment on most of your discussion, since I think you and I agree that some of the words in Seth's document will be hard to prove as written, and perhaps should be modified so the opponents of the bill will not have statements to challenge. If you want to make adherence to open, platform-neutral standards as part of your definition of Open Source in 21-R:10 then this part is fine. Only if it's also part of the definition of Proprietary It's not obvious to me that an Open-Source implementation of some weird `standard' that's only supported by that one (open) implementation is inherently *any worse* than a proprietary implementation of some weird `standard' that's only supported by that one (closed) implementation. Here we are making a definition of what is open. We do not have to necessarily address what is proprietary. If you want to further define what is standard, that is fine too. We don't need to ship the money out of state. There is only so much Maple syrup that Bill can eat. Especially when NH has resident tech experts who are going out-of-state to do that very job in question? I wonder how much of our economy is spending its work-day down in MA. I, for one, really would prefer to be working here in my home state; I bet the NH counterparts to the businesses I currently frequent in MA would prefer me to work near them instead, too ;) Whatever happened to the old phrase Think Globally, act locally? md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New Year's Cleaning
In fairness, I can testify that if you skip the graphics and just use the CD or audio player to play music, the system load is negligible. At least, that's how it was on the Indigo in the lab I worked in. True. But what the Byte Labs people were gaga over was the fact that all the audio magic was being done in software by the CPU (leaving little for doing mundane tasks like reading email). md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [Fwd: Re: An Xmas present for you to peruse, comment, and mull..]
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: I will not comment on most of your discussion, since I think you and I agree that some of the words in Seth's document will be hard to prove as written, and perhaps should be modified so the opponents of the bill will not have statements to challenge. Indeed. If you want to make adherence to open, platform-neutral standards as part of your definition of Open Source in 21-R:10 then this part is fine. Only if it's also part of the definition of Proprietary It's not obvious to me that an Open-Source implementation of some weird `standard' that's only supported by that one (open) implementation is inherently *any worse* than a proprietary implementation of some weird `standard' that's only supported by that one (closed) implementation. Here we are making a definition of what is open. We do not have to necessarily address what is proprietary. If you want to further define what is standard, that is fine too. Right, what I mean here is: maybe a clause about standards-compliance should be part of a *general* `fitness' rule for software-`acquisition', but that's a separate issue from software-licensing. It doesn't make sense to put *additional* fitness-requirements for OSS acquisition/deployment *beyond* the restrictions that are placed on acquisition and deployment of proprietary packages. That'd accomplish the *opposite* of what we want. In forming our definition of open, maybe we should revisit: The Open Source Definition http://opensource.org/docs/osd The Free Software Definition http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html the Debian Free Software Guidelines http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines Don't define yourself into a corner by using a peculiar definition of OSS that may well block-out a significant portion of the actual OSS `free market' for which you're trying to make explicit inroads, when the proprietary market has no equivalent fitness-constraints. If we want to add appeal by talking about *tendencies* and *likelihoods* that OSS packages will conform to open conform to desirable standards, or the *capabilities* of OSS packages to be *made* to conform as part of the Integration process (even if they didn't `out of the box'!), we can do that without over-restraining the definition such that `OSS COTS that doesn't support a standard out-of-the-box doesn't count, and can still be excluded from consideration even though proprietary COTS that also doesn't support the standard is fine and can't be excluded'. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
Along the lines getting rid of old hardware from the New Years Cleaning thread I've been doing some cleaning as well. What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. I know that some companies have recycling days but I didn't see any posted around my area (Nashua, NH). So far I have found: - Small Dog Electronics: Website says they'll take stuff for 35 cents a pound (I should have taken advantage of their recycling day!). - Best Buy: They have some kind of recycling program, but I don't know how they react when I show up with a box of hard drives and a box of ISA cards and mother boards. The info on their website seems geared towards small consumer electronics. - Nashua City landfill: Again, electronics seems to be geared towards PC's and small electronics. Their site says: Electronics - computer monitors components, printers, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, microwaves, etc. The first two per year are free. Additional items will be charged at $5 per item Maybe I should find two old cases and fill every bay and every slot with drives and cards ;) Anyone know of other places to check? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
You can see if some other geek wants your junk^H^H^H^Hhigh quality SGI system :-) Freecycle.org and Craiglist might find people that are interested. To be fair, most of us geeks use stuff beyond the cycle. I don't think many on Craiglist would be interested in an SGI and I'd fear I'd get far too many questions about installing Office. Depending on the equipment, eBay. I think if I offered the SGI for $0 + shipping, I wouldn't get offers :-( If you buy a computer from Apple, you can get a coupon to ship a monitor and cpu to their recycling for free. I'm looking for places too. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kenta kenta.k...@gmail.com wrote: Along the lines getting rid of old hardware from the New Years Cleaning thread I've been doing some cleaning as well. What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. I know that some companies have recycling days but I didn't see any posted around my area (Nashua, NH). So far I have found: - Small Dog Electronics: Website says they'll take stuff for 35 cents a pound (I should have taken advantage of their recycling day!). - Best Buy: They have some kind of recycling program, but I don't know how they react when I show up with a box of hard drives and a box of ISA cards and mother boards. The info on their website seems geared towards small consumer electronics. - Nashua City landfill: Again, electronics seems to be geared towards PC's and small electronics. Their site says: Electronics - computer monitors components, printers, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, microwaves, etc. The first two per year are free. Additional items will be charged at $5 per item Maybe I should find two old cases and fill every bay and every slot with drives and cards ;) Anyone know of other places to check? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kenta kenta.k...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. I know that some companies have recycling days but I didn't see any posted around my area (Nashua, NH). A bit far from Nashua, and not free ($0.30/lb), but in this area there's Wincycle in Windsor, VT (on the NH state line): http://www.wincycle.org/ I also know a couple of guys who just put the junk in a box on the front porch, post to freecycle, and it is gone in an unbelievably short amount of time. -Brian ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
On 01/04/2011 11:59 AM, kenta wrote: Along the lines getting rid of old hardware from the New Years Cleaning thread I've been doing some cleaning as well. What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. I know that some companies have recycling days but I didn't see any posted around my area (Nashua, NH). So far I have found: - Small Dog Electronics: Website says they'll take stuff for 35 cents a pound (I should have taken advantage of their recycling day!). - Best Buy: They have some kind of recycling program, but I don't know how they react when I show up with a box of hard drives and a box of ISA cards and mother boards. The info on their website seems geared towards small consumer electronics. - Nashua City landfill: Again, electronics seems to be geared towards PC's and small electronics. Their site says: Electronics - computer monitors components, printers, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, microwaves, etc. The first two per year are free. Additional items will be charged at $5 per item Maybe I should find two old cases and fill every bay and every slot with drives and cards ;) Anyone know of other places to check? Hello, Goodwill has partnered with Dell to create a free recycling program. So contact your local Goodwill. I moved a while ago and brought car loads of old computer crap from the atic to the Goodwill in Concord, and they took it, no problem. By the way what do you have for motherboards? I am always interested in motherboards for coreboot development :-) -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
I've brought elecronics several times to RST Reclaming in Hudson, NH (http://www.hudsonnh.gov/departments/highway/hazardous) and they've always been free of charge except for CRTs, batteries, and fluorescent bulbs. Their prices for those items have also always been quite fair. That said, I can't find their website anymore. Anyone know if they are still there? -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
After seeing them mentioned on Freecycle many months earlier I contacted an outfit in Dracut this summer to recycle my old TV. On the phone the guy sounded very straightforward and helpful but IIRC they were dealing with some issue at the time (relocating? regulatory?) and it ended up that they didn't want me to bring my recyclable stuff to them just then so I paid my town (Chelmsford) $10 to take my TV away. I believe (given that the phone number is the same in each) that one or both of these sites are/were his: http://www.computerrecyclinglowellma.com/ http://www.gogreenrecycling.net/ ...and it's possible that he's sorted things out by now and will be willing to take your stuff, tho I haven't spoken to them since summer so I don't know. AFAIK they have no requirement that you reside in any particular town or state. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New Year's Cleaning
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: True. But what the Byte Labs people were gaga over was the fact that all the audio magic was being done in software by the CPU (leaving little for doing mundane tasks like reading email). Oh, come now. I remember doing the same thing on my 486/80 with Extace and MOD files. $2000+ of advanced computational hardware, multi-tasking multi-user operating system, acting as a glorified jukebox. W ;-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kenta kenta.k...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. At $WORK, we use Allied Computer Brokers (ACB), mainly because they have a depot in the same down: Amesbury, MA. Closer to Nashua than VT, though. http://www.acbrecovery.com/ PCs and their innards are free. CRTs and LCDs they charge for (they contain lead and mercury, respectively; both hazardous). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer part recycling [was: New Year's Cleaning]
On 1/4/2011 11:59 AM, kenta wrote: Along the lines getting rid of old hardware from the New Years Cleaning thread I've been doing some cleaning as well. What I'm trying to find is a recycler, preferably free of charge, that will take this legacy hardware (read: junk) off my hands. ... Anyone know of other places to check? We've used CRT Recycling in Brockton (http://www.recyclingelectronics.com/). As we used them for a school, it was free including pickup. The school had three trailer truck loads of equipment to dispose of. So that's a lot larger scale, but I think drop-off at Brockton used to be free too. Freecycle has worked, but it is a fair amount of work at times. For citizens of Bedford, NH, the town has a trailer for computer/electronic components. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
