[OT] Text vs HTML

2009-03-17 Thread Dan Jenkins
Yet another apology, I found why I was posting in HTML, even though I 
intended to explicitly send in text to gnhlug.org.

I am truly sorry for that, as I am aware both of the technical and the 
personal reasons not to do so as some members have a strong objection to 
HTML email.

I use Thunderbird. It works well for me and does IMAP fairly well as 
well as being cross-platform, so I can use it from Linux, OS X and 
Windows, all of which I must use constantly. I explicitly configured 
sending to the group to be a text-only domain. Somehow I had an entry in 
one of my address books which indicated gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org 
preferred HTML. As I also had a separate entry in the same address book 
saying it preferred text, I am not sure how that happened. Even if 
Thunderbird is told the domain prefers text, it will override that if 
the address book says otherwise. As to which entry wins when there are 
duplicates in the address book, I guess the most embarrassing one must, 
by Murphy's Law.

In any event, I have corrected the issue here, and will check the other 
computers I work from elsewhere to ensure this does not recur.

(I shall now slink away in embarrassment.)

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Re: [OT] Text vs HTML

2009-03-17 Thread Ben Scott
2009/3/17 Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com:
 Aren't GNHLUG lists configured that way?

list_admin

  They're mainly configured with the stock defaults (except when
they're not, heh).  If consensus of the list membership is that HTML
stripping should be turned on, it's easy enough to do so.

  Note that a few people complaining loudly is not consensus.  :)  I'm
not exactly sure how we'd gauge consensus of the list.  I don't think
we can ask for a majority when we don't even know how many people we
really have reading.

  FWIW, there are currently 273 apparently-working addresses
subscribed to gnhlug-discuss.  Addresses != people.

/list_admin

 As an aside, I'd be in favor of Google changing the descriptions to
 non-standard and standard text

personal_opinion

  (Somewhat playing devil's advocate here.)  MIME
multipart/alternative is well-defined; HTML is well-defined.  I'm not
sure why using those specifications as they were intended yields
non-standard.  The Internet is built on rough consensus and working
code, and it seems HTML mail has achieved that more than many other
things we're pleased to call standard.  (Ever try to get two
different IPsec implementations to interoperate?  *shudder*)

  Don't get me wrong, I think HTML mail is overrated, usually
annoying, often abused, and occasionally outright dangerous.  But I'm
also a big believer in it takes all kinds.

  I generally avoid posting HTML mail on this list because I know
there are some who actively dislike it, it's mostly not needed, and
workarounds do exist.  But on occasion I've found it would have been
convenient to just hyperlink something, rather than resorting to
cumbersome manual footnotes and URLs in plaintext.

/personal_opinion

-- Ben
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