Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
I'm no big fan of Walmart, however, I'm not so sure the state of Vermont is necessarily doing wha the residents really want. We go camping in Northern NH frequently and on occasion stop at the Walmart in Littleton NH. I can't help but notice the disproportionately large number of Vermont license plates in the parking lot. Again, I view Walmart as just another purveryor of rampant cut-throat consumerism, but, who's driving it? It's good to see them pushing linux boxes. We know that altruism is not the impetus. It sort of proves that linux must be a marketable item on a large scale. Thomas M. Albright wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote: Perhaps Walmart will sue SCO into oblivion and clear up the mess being made. They've got the financial resources to do it. Excpet that WalMart is a worse monster than SCO. SCO sues individual companies. WalMart sued the state of Vermont when the state said no to the giant moving in. They're not the Caring, Community Store they want you to belive, any more than SCO is UNIX. -- __ | 0|___||. Andrew Gaunt *nix Sys. Admin,, etc. Lucent Technologies _| _| : : } [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www-cde.mv.lucent.com/~quantum -(O)-==-o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.gaunt.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
On Tuesday, Jul 15th 2003 at 08:41 -0400, quoth Andrew W. Gaunt: = =I'm no big fan of Walmart, however, I'm not so sure the state of =Vermont is necessarily doing wha the residents really want. We =go camping in Northern NH frequently and on occasion stop =at the Walmart in Littleton NH. I can't help but notice the =disproportionately large number of Vermont license plates in the =parking lot. Again, I view Walmart as just another purveryor =of rampant cut-throat consumerism, but, who's driving it? = =It's good to see them pushing linux boxes. We know that =altruism is not the impetus. It sort of proves that linux must =be a marketable item on a large scale. = =Thomas M. Albright wrote: = =On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote: = = = =Perhaps Walmart will sue SCO into oblivion and clear up =the mess being made. They've got the financial resources =to do it. = = = =Excpet that WalMart is a worse monster than SCO. SCO sues individual =companies. WalMart sued the state of Vermont when the state said no to =the giant moving in. = =They're not the Caring, Community Store they want you to belive, any =more than SCO is UNIX. This is clearly not a linux question but I'm still curious nonetheless. I know that Walmart is capable of wiping out lots of small businesses almost overnight, but without sounding like a cold cruel unfeeling Republican, what's wrong with that? The free enterprise system is at play here. What right did the State of VT have to try to block them in the first place? I understand that the Planning Board of a municipality may have objections from a local regs perspective. Other than that, I just don't get it. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:16:31AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: If walmart moves into a town predominated by little shops, and they all can't compete with walmart (and rest assured they can't), then the owners of those shops will have to close down, and go get jobs at walmart. Their incomes will likely be reduced by between 50 and 75 percent, and along with it their disposable incomes will be drastically reduced, meaning they have almost no money to spend on things besides basic necessities. Don't forget a lot of the profit then gets sent to AK and are thus not spent in the local community or even in the state, reducing state revenues. It's in VT's interest to keep the money in the state. -Mark pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:16:31AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: |If walmart moves into a town predominated by little shops, and they |all can't compete with walmart (and rest assured they can't), then the |owners of those shops will have to close down, and go get jobs at |walmart. Their incomes will likely be reduced by between 50 and 75 |percent, and along with it their disposable incomes will be |drastically reduced, meaning they have almost no money to spend on |things besides basic necessities. s/Walmart/McDonald's/g s/Walmart/K-Mart/g s/Walmart/Target/g s/Walmart/Pizza Hut/g s/Walmart/Dunkin Donuts/g s/Walmart/Krispy Kreme/g s/Walmart/Home Depot/g s/Walmart/Lowe's/g s/Walmart/etc.. What I don't get is people going after Walmart because they put local business out but not the others? Ok, Starbucks gets it too. My hometown got a Walmart awhile ago. Local people that work there get paid more better benes then at K-Mart up the street -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/FE2o2qRYRRBv/+IRAlWmAJ45QgA5kirT5cwNYUqDnSg8b779jACcDqlp TXm7f/APe8sonndHs+Pwnjk= =DGdn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
Derek Martin wrote: If walmart moves into a town predominated by little shops, and they all can't compete with walmart (and rest assured they can't), then the owners of those shops will have to close down, and go get jobs at walmart. Their incomes will likely be reduced by between 50 and 75 percent, and along with it their disposable incomes will be drastically reduced, meaning they have almost no money to spend on things besides basic necessities. Ironically, the average price of goods is *not* less at Wal-Mart than at pre-existing stores. I read an article on it a couple years ago -- Wal-Mart specifically marks down the goods that are sold at the local stores, in an attempt to put them out of business, since the chain-owned store can operate at a loss until those stores are gone. Once they're gone, the new Wal-Mart then re-adjusts the prices, often to become even *higher* than they were originally, so the consumer just ends up getting the shaft. Also, next time you walk through your local Wal-Mart, note how the amazing prices are all on the end-caps of the aisles and the attention-grabbing product stands in the middle of the main aisles. Once you get deep into the store, you'll find that the average price of a Wal-Mart item is not any better than the average price of an item at any other store. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
Perhaps Walmart will sue SCO into oblivion and clear up the mess being made. They've got the financial resources to do it. - __ | 0|___||. Andrew Gaunt *nix Sys. Admin,, etc. Lucent Technologies _| _| : : } [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www-cde.mv.lucent.com/~quantum -(O)-==-o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.gaunt.org Sharpe, Richard wrote: Good for SuSE!! http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/07/14/HNwalmartsuse_1.html Richard A Sharpe Database Analyst and Administration (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Webpage ...www.amherst1.com Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Sharpe, Richard wrote: Good for SuSE!! http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/07/14/HNwalmartsuse_1.html Good for Mandrake!! :) http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2003070202226NWDPHW -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
And I believe IBM already offers SuSE and Redhat on their PC's Richard A Sharpe Database Analyst and Administration (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Webpage ...www.amherst1.com Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith -Original Message- From: Bill Mullen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:38 PM To: GNHLUG Discussion List Subject: Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Sharpe, Richard wrote: Good for SuSE!! http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/07/14/HNwalmartsuse_1.html Good for Mandrake!! :) http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2003070202226NWDPHW -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Sharpe, Richard wrote: And I believe IBM already offers SuSE and Redhat on their PC's These are very promising developments for Linux, IMHO; as we all know, the most daunting aspect of running Linux for most people is the current need to install and configure it oneself. Preloads from reputable HW makers will remove that factor, and make it more likely that businesses (HP/IBM) and home users (WalMart) will be willing to take the plunge. They also present Linux on a relatively equal footing with M$'s offerings, which is a milestone in and of itself. As a Mandrake devotee, I'm particularly excited about the HP deal ... it comes at an excellent time, just as the company has announced that they expect to successfully emerge from the Frech equivalent of Chapter 11 by the end of the year - the endorsement of the company and its product that is implicit in the HP contract can only help them in that regard. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
HP also has deals with Redhat, SuSE, Debian in addition to Mandrake. http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/about_linux_hp/partners.html I am a SuSE fan, I used to be 100% Redhat, but SuSE just had that extra something, I believe Mandrake has the same appeal and I have it installed on a couple of boxes also. Go LINUX ! Richard A Sharpe Database Analyst and Administration (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Webpage ...www.amherst1.com Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith -Original Message- From: Bill Mullen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:33 PM To: GNHLUG Discussion List Subject: RE: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Sharpe, Richard wrote: And I believe IBM already offers SuSE and Redhat on their PC's These are very promising developments for Linux, IMHO; as we all know, the most daunting aspect of running Linux for most people is the current need to install and configure it oneself. Preloads from reputable HW makers will remove that factor, and make it more likely that businesses (HP/IBM) and home users (WalMart) will be willing to take the plunge. They also present Linux on a relatively equal footing with M$'s offerings, which is a milestone in and of itself. As a Mandrake devotee, I'm particularly excited about the HP deal ... it comes at an excellent time, just as the company has announced that they expect to successfully emerge from the Frech equivalent of Chapter 11 by the end of the year - the endorsement of the company and its product that is implicit in the HP contract can only help them in that regard. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Walmart.com sells Microtel PC with SuSE Linux software
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote: Perhaps Walmart will sue SCO into oblivion and clear up the mess being made. They've got the financial resources to do it. Excpet that WalMart is a worse monster than SCO. SCO sues individual companies. WalMart sued the state of Vermont when the state said no to the giant moving in. They're not the Caring, Community Store they want you to belive, any more than SCO is UNIX. - __ | 0|___||. Andrew Gaunt *nix Sys. Admin,, etc. Lucent Technologies _| _| : : } [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www-cde.mv.lucent.com/~quantum -(O)-==-o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.gaunt.org Sharpe, Richard wrote: Good for SuSE!! http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/07/14/HNwalmartsuse_1.html Richard A Sharpe Database Analyst and Administration (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Webpage ...www.amherst1.com Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly. -Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
