Re: gps navigation project?
Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: FWIW - has anyone worked on TCP over text messages? If they can do it over carrier pigeons... I've wondered about this. Another feature I'd like is to be able to share my location with someone. But I don't necessarily want to upload it to a server somewhere--this will inevitably be owned by someone else (for certain values of phone owner). Real computers can talk directly to each other over the internet, why can't portable media consumption devices? You could call or text, but the receiving end needs to be set up to not ring/beep and to alert the relevant app. There are apps that can do this, so it's not a huge problem. I can even envision replacing the SMS app itself with a tcpd-like to farm incoming requests out to whichever app was responsible for it. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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I know Waze will work with only Wifi as that's why my phone is. Are some of your apps sensitive the the connectivity of the access point? On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I have a wifi only Android. No data when in the car. If I have Wifi, I usually have my computer w/ a bigger screen. I have a wifi-only Android but have a 4G accesspoint. Some 'Phone' apps don't think that's good enough. Haven't tried Waze, when i want traffic i just use Google Maps app. Do you know if Waze will work with mobile WiFi ? -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:11 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: My car has something else and I can avoid whole roads which is nice. Another planned feature. In fact, this is the first time I've ever heard of any existing GPS/routing system that did this. Another one is avoid area, such as don't go within 100 miles of NYC. I used to be in the habit of always putting my route in so I'd know when I should arrive. With the garmin, I'd add way points along the way so I could force back roads, avoid intersections in busy areas w/o lights, etc. I can't do that w/ the car GPS but I can say avoid 495, avoid rt 3. I preferred the garmin way. It'd be nice to have both. I'm not replying there, but I saw the Waze traffic mentions. Agreed about the data access being the problem there. It really seems like a lot of normal traffic information could just be downloaded and used offline. Basically it's a weighting function across spacetime rather than just space (as is usually the case). I want to experiment with this by having my routes timestamped and saved, then used as inputs to future routings in the same area. Waze also wants user input about slowdowns, accidents, in route timing and other user reported info. You can't do that w/o data access. FWIW - has anyone worked on TCP over text messages? If they can do it over carrier pigeons... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: My car has something else and I can avoid whole roads which is nice. Another planned feature. In fact, this is the first time I've ever heard of any existing GPS/routing system that did this. Another one is avoid area, such as don't go within 100 miles of NYC. I'm not replying there, but I saw the Waze traffic mentions. Agreed about the data access being the problem there. It really seems like a lot of normal traffic information could just be downloaded and used offline. Basically it's a weighting function across spacetime rather than just space (as is usually the case). I want to experiment with this by having my routes timestamped and saved, then used as inputs to future routings in the same area. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, the source is Free as in speech, but unless you have an unlocked and rooted phone/tablet, you may not be able load it even if you can build it. No rooting needed. All that is needed is to go into security and check unknown sources. Then download the apk using a web browser and install it. I see no technical or moral problem with what they've done. If you are a user, they appreciate a donation. I have donated. If you want the source as a developer, it is available and you may use it. -- Tyson D Sawyer A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: gps navigation project?
Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: Is this project going to be a stand alone GPS w/no internet like a garmin or something like google maps on a phone? That will drive some of your design decisions. If it has internet access, will it use mobile wireless or wifi/ethernet? Does it need to be usable in a car? I've been envisioning using it on a phone or tablet. Because I'm a cheapskate that doesn't pay much for data, it would need to be able to work offline. But the entire idea is that I'd put a GPX on there and it would only navigate me through that without changing the route (other than getting me back to the route if I stray from it), so that's not a big problem. Still, I've got some use cases that would involve data or wifi. For instance, creating my route at a hotel room (either on the phone or on a real comptuer and sending it to the phone), then navigating offline. That could work well with a tablet, which tend to have wifi but not mobile data in the lower end, anyway. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu writes: Could you explain your distinction between Routing and Navigation here? I'm not sure I really understand the difference, unless you just mean placing a dot on a map and moving the map as you move (i.e. the UI piece). Routing is I think a fairly well-defined term meaning the more-or-less mathematical process of finding some way through the road network from A to B. Navigation might be less well-defined, but I'm using it to mean the turning of that route into a sequence of steps for a human to follow, either by text or voice. Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ...wait a minute. I've interacted with you via my work email address. Worlds are colliding! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ...wait a minute. I've interacted with you via my work email address. Worlds are colliding! You mean you cannot keep your work email and your personal email separate? I'm glad you're not trying to become the person that holds the button... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: gps navigation project?
This could be a neat project. I'd suggest asking some of the sites like makezine.com or instructables. Is this project going to be a stand alone GPS w/no internet like a garmin or something like google maps on a phone? That will drive some of your design decisions. If it has internet access, will it use mobile wireless or wifi/ethernet? Does it need to be usable in a car? On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:13 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: I've complained here before about how much I hate pretty much all GPS devices/software. I finally partly-decided to half-heartedly make a feeble stab at doing something about it! There's 3 parts: Maps: OSM is the obvious choice. Routing: There's a bunch of good routers out there, although one major thrust of my own thing involves changing the routing (or at least exposing parameters nobody else seems to expose the way I want). I figure I'll start with one of those with my own pre-processor in front of it, then go from there. Navigation: There doesn't seem to be a lot of work in this area, although it's hard to google for without getting inundated by retail product hits. The debian repos have navit that does a full end-to-end thing, which I don't want. I could maybe rip out just the navigation part, but their Android app is so awful it gives me a bad code smell feeling. Does anyone know of any projects that specifically target (and do a good job on) taking a pile of maps and a GPX file and turning that into a sequence of in 20 miles, turn left-type directions? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: gps navigation project?
David, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org writes: I've complained here before about how much I hate pretty much all GPS devices/software. I finally partly-decided to half-heartedly make a feeble stab at doing something about it! There's 3 parts: Maps: OSM is the obvious choice. Routing: There's a bunch of good routers out there, although one major thrust of my own thing involves changing the routing (or at least exposing parameters nobody else seems to expose the way I want). I figure I'll start with one of those with my own pre-processor in front of it, then go from there. Navigation: There doesn't seem to be a lot of work in this area, although it's hard to google for without getting inundated by retail product hits. Could you explain your distinction between Routing and Navigation here? I'm not sure I really understand the difference, unless you just mean placing a dot on a map and moving the map as you move (i.e. the UI piece). The debian repos have navit that does a full end-to-end thing, which I don't want. I could maybe rip out just the navigation part, but their Android app is so awful it gives me a bad code smell feeling. Does anyone know of any projects that specifically target (and do a good job on) taking a pile of maps and a GPX file and turning that into a sequence of in 20 miles, turn left-type directions? You could look at the source of the Google Navigation app.. I bet it's open source.. -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting ideas. Sometime you don't want to go north on 93 on Friday. Rt 3 is less congested... Rt 3 being less bad than anything is scary ... Waze uses the real time traffic data in it's trip planning, and periodically recalculates the various routes and will change your route based on traffic information. Waze was nice. You used to be able to use the web version to navigate a route. Google Maps + traffic warnings/alerts overlaid. When Google bought them, that went away and navigation is only done on the phone app. In real time so it needs an internet connection while in use. I have a wifi only Android. No data when in the car. If I have Wifi, I usually have my computer w/ a bigger screen. Maybe the Waze info will get added into maps. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: gps navigation project?
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Matt Minuti matt.min...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 25, 2015 11:25 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote:
Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes:
Is this project going to be a stand alone GPS w/no internet like a
garmin
or something like google maps on a phone? That will drive some of your
design decisions.
If it has internet access, will it use mobile wireless or
wifi/ethernet?
Does it need to be usable in a car?
I've been envisioning using it on a phone or tablet. Because I'm a
cheapskate that doesn't pay much for data, it would need to be able to
work offline. But the entire idea is that I'd put a GPX on there and it
would only navigate me through that without changing the route (other
than getting me back to the route if I stray from it), so that's not a
big problem.
Still, I've got some use cases that would involve data or wifi. For
instance, creating my route at a hotel room (either on the phone or on a
real comptuer and sending it to the phone), then navigating
offline. That could work well with a tablet, which tend to have wifi but
not mobile data in the lower end, anyway.
Sounds to me the target is offline, then. Can always add something to
fetch maps, but adding local offline processing ought to be harder.
If you go ahead with this, there's two features I feel like every GPS I've
used has lacked, though not from lack of data.
1. There's often an avoid tolls or this route has tolls, but never
anything hinting at how much it will cost. A $1 toll is a lot nicer than a
$30 one.
2. Find on the way would be an amazing thing. Imagine, you ask for a
${DONUTSHOP} on the way from A to B, and it finds one that's minimally off
the planned route.
My 3yr old garmin will find stuff near destination or along route. Not as
easy as it should be though.
My car has something else and I can avoid whole roads which is nice.
Sometime you don't want to go north on 93 on Friday. Rt 3 is less
congested...
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Interesting ideas.
1. There's often an avoid tolls or this route has tolls, but never
anything hinting at how much it will cost. A $1 toll is a lot nicer than a
$30 one.
Great idea. Toll is dependent upon vehicle configuration (and
sometimes time of day). I don't recall OSM having that richness; if
they don't, can suggest it. I should check if they have a MAX
HEIGHT/VEHICLE TYPE restriction on STORROW DR and MERRIT PKWY. Router
has to have your vehicle height, axles, wheels, type to handle all
this.
2. Find on the way would be an amazing thing. Imagine, you ask for a
${DONUTSHOP} on the way from A to B, and it finds one that's minimally off
the planned route.
Indeed. And this is the sort of thing that's most useful real-time
not planning.
My 3yr old garmin will find stuff near destination or along route. Not as
easy as it should be though.
Oh ? Which one? I like Garmins ... eTrex, iii+, 76c previously; 76csx now.
My car has something else and I can avoid whole roads which is nice.
Nice
Sometime you don't want to go north on 93 on Friday. Rt 3 is less
congested...
Rt 3 being less bad than anything is scary ...
I just let it recalculate when i reject its advice; sometimes
switching from Quickest Route to Shorter Path gets it on-board with a
short-cut quicker. (Having Avoid U-Turns turned off helps, but that
doesn't stop it suggesting three rights.) If it gets really irksome, i
set it in boat/air Off Road range-and-bearing navigation mode until
i really want turns suggested. :-) Picking an intermediate
waypoint as first destination or setting a Route with a few waypoints
(good for a re-usable shortcut/detour) can help.
I've been using OSM routable maps in my Garmin 76csx. Quality is
getting better but there are still disconnected butt-splices in the
interstate. (The source Census TIGER data set was not designed for
routing, so connectivity is not its strong point. Mostly fixed but
periodically it suggests i detour up an exit just to get back on to
route around a mesh defect.) Alas i can't fix them while driving ...
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting ideas. Sometime you don't want to go north on 93 on Friday. Rt 3 is less congested... Rt 3 being less bad than anything is scary ... Waze uses the real time traffic data in it's trip planning, and periodically recalculates the various routes and will change your route based on traffic information. Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:13 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: Does anyone know of any projects that specifically target (and do a good job on) taking a pile of maps and a GPX file and turning that into a sequence of in 20 miles, turn left-type directions? I'm not sure if it qualifies as good, but OsmAnd will do this. When navigating a GPX track, it doesn't map the GPX track to the underlying roads. Instead it just tells you when and how sharp the track turns. When using its own routing instead of a GPX track it does a better job of describing the roads to turn on to. Its not exactly what you've asked for, but OsmAnd is probably a useful starting point. -- Tyson D Sawyer A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: I have a wifi only Android. No data when in the car. If I have Wifi, I usually have my computer w/ a bigger screen. I have a wifi-only Android but have a 4G accesspoint. Some 'Phone' apps don't think that's good enough. Haven't tried Waze, when i want traffic i just use Google Maps app. Do you know if Waze will work with mobile WiFi ? -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
gps navigation project?
I've complained here before about how much I hate pretty much all GPS devices/software. I finally partly-decided to half-heartedly make a feeble stab at doing something about it! There's 3 parts: Maps: OSM is the obvious choice. Routing: There's a bunch of good routers out there, although one major thrust of my own thing involves changing the routing (or at least exposing parameters nobody else seems to expose the way I want). I figure I'll start with one of those with my own pre-processor in front of it, then go from there. Navigation: There doesn't seem to be a lot of work in this area, although it's hard to google for without getting inundated by retail product hits. The debian repos have navit that does a full end-to-end thing, which I don't want. I could maybe rip out just the navigation part, but their Android app is so awful it gives me a bad code smell feeling. Does anyone know of any projects that specifically target (and do a good job on) taking a pile of maps and a GPX file and turning that into a sequence of in 20 miles, turn left-type directions? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Tyson Sawyer ty...@j3.org wrote: but OsmAnd is probably a useful starting point. I'd call it a starting point ! It's unclear to me how The application is available in both a free [7] and a paid version [8] which works as a donation to the developer, unlocks the download limit for offline maps, plus their App store exception, would be GPLv3-compatible, but as it seems it includes no GPL dependencies, it's not a violation of anyone's license. Even so, I have trouble thinking of free useless demos as valid Freemium FLOSS distribution. Off-line maps is pretty basic function here, and it's free data it's charging to access ! Sure, the source is Free as in speech, but unless you have an unlocked and rooted phone/tablet, you may not be able load it even if you can build it. (Not that $6 - or $8 with Contours add-on - is outrageous, it's pretty decent value!, but either in-app purchase or app-store purchase required for what's really basic functionality - off-net maps - doesn't feel FLOSS, it feels Bait and Switch when you find out downloading from free sources OSM and Wikipedia are locked ! At least it gives me a choice of who leaks my credit card to the hackers ... Maybe i should get a $20 VISA gift card to use for AppStore credit so i don't care who has it.) -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
