Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Le dimanche 29 mai 2011 à 17:27 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : Well, preserving the preference is a statement of sorts. If the devs really just wanted to make it flat impossible to minimize windows it would be easy enough to make it no longer possible to do it even via gsettings. Be careful, they may well do it in the end, if you keep reminding them of this inconsistency... ;-) Cheers ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 10:33 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le dimanche 29 mai 2011 à 17:27 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : Well, preserving the preference is a statement of sorts. If the devs really just wanted to make it flat impossible to minimize windows it would be easy enough to make it no longer possible to do it even via gsettings. Be careful, they may well do it in the end, if you keep reminding them of this inconsistency... ;-) I don't mind, I haven't minimized a window in anger for years =) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 12:04 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Yes, there is. Right-click on the window title, and click minimize. There is also a dconf setting which can re-enable the minimize button, and gnome-tweak-tool provides an interface to this. It's still present, but the menu is merely a leftover, there was even a discussion about removing it. And let's not speak about tweaking GSettings, that's of course possible, but clearly not the standard Shell behavior. Well, preserving the preference is a statement of sorts. If the devs really just wanted to make it flat impossible to minimize windows it would be easy enough to make it no longer possible to do it even via gsettings. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 18:25 -0300, theblues gnr a écrit : Hi, I wanted to say that I really love GNOME 3, nice work all. :) One thing I'm missing is a way to get windows out of the way when I don't want to work with them. For instance, I keep Evolution running 100% of the time but only check it every now and then. Same with Banshee, it's always running but I spend very little time with its window. I figured minimizing would do the trick, and I could get the window back using the dash icon (that already works). Problem is that minimized windows appear in the overview, and I only want the windows I'm working with to appear in the overview. Any pointers on how I could hack mutter or the shell to make minimized windows not appear in the overview mode? Also, if anyone has a link on the shell's planned design for minimizing I'd love to read about it. Hi, maybe you should read / comment these bug reports: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467829 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650460 I really think this is a part of GNOME that still needs a bit of polishing. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 20:19 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 22:20 -0400, Cyril Arnaud wrote: There is no minimize per say in Gnome Shell (there not even a button for this). Yes, there is. Right-click on the window title, and click minimize. There is also a dconf setting which can re-enable the minimize button, and gnome-tweak-tool provides an interface to this. It's still present, but the menu is merely a leftover, there was even a discussion about removing it. And let's not speak about tweaking GSettings, that's of course possible, but clearly not the standard Shell behavior. All in all, the Shell has no good story for minimized windows, that's part of the reasons why you can't minimize (easily). Personally, I keep Evolution, Firefox and Empathy always open in the first workspace, and do precise tasks in other workspaces. That's more or less the same as minimizing them, but the advantage is that they are really separated from other windows. As for creating an extension to hide minimized windows from the overview, I think you can have a look at the code at: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/js/ui/workspaceThumbnail.js Regards ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Hello. I need ability to remove (minize etc) some windows like Evolution, music player etc from GNOME Shell overview too. Just an idea: it would be fine if GNOME Shell can display two (collapsible) areas or tabs - Active windows area and Background (minimized) windows area. Currently it is too hard to find needed windows in Gnome Shell If user have too much minized windows. Because Shell displays unneeded windows and window previews are too small. And there is no some option/checkbox like Display minimized windows. -- Sergey Zolotorev ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
On Fr, 27.05.2011 22:20, Cyril Arnaud wrote: Any pointers on how I could hack mutter or the shell to make minimized windows not appear in the overview mode? The request is actually very similar to my own question about getting applications out of the way from a while ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-shell-list@gnome.org/msg03372.html Instead of changing the code (mutter or gnome shell) or even creating an extension, I suggest you simply change your workflow. Like you I have Evolution on 100% of the time. I simply put it in another workspace. Usually what I do is starting Evolution and Empathy on the first workspace, and I work (LibreOffice mainly) on workspace 2, and I use the subsequent workspaces for other applications (let say, Chromium, a terminal, Rhythmbox ...) Nice to hear that this workaround works well for you. I don't think it's a good solution, though. We clearly have a history of abusing the tray area for all kinds of weird stuff besides notifications, one of which was/is to get applications out of the way without closing them and loosing visual feedback. This inconsistency and arbitrariness is bad, and should change. I'm afraid the suggestion of using workspaces to get rid of application windows is just the same evil, just in other wrapping. In my understanding, workspaces are a tool to group windows according to activities - not a graveyard of stuff that I want to keep running, but not see all the time. This sounds like abuse to me, just as it was with the tray. There are some distinct types of applications that users want running, but not interact with all the time, and I feel it would make sense to have a clean design for visual feedback and interaction for each of those types. One category would be messangers that have a online/offline state (permanently like IM, or peridically like MUAs). Others may be media players. Holger ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
I guess that you are missing the point. Workspaces are not graveyards. They're spaces where you can group activities according to your needs and workflow. You can use the workspaces to be more efficient by being less distracted by the unused applications you want to keep open. I was not really using workspaces in Gnome 2. In Gnome 3 it's part of the complete experience. As I said earlier, you need to change your workflow to reap the benefits of the new Gnome. Personnaly I find this so much more efficient I don't see any reason to go back -- Cyril Arnaud On May 28, 2011 7:45 AM, Holger Berndt bern...@gmx.de wrote: ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Nice to hear that this workaround works well for you. I don't think it's a good solution, though. Neither do I, I don't want to see those windows at all, not lying in some less used workspace There are some distinct types of applications that users want running, but not interact with all the time, and I feel it would make sense to have a clean design for visual feedback and interaction for each of those types. Well, the visual feedback is solved through desktop notfications. The specs cover pretty much every single case However I do think there should be a clean design for those windows I want out of my way, except for some tiny moment through the day Erick -- El derecho de expresar nuestros pensamientos tiene algún significado tan sólo si somos capaces de tener pensamientos propios. El miedo a la libertad, Erich Fromm ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
On Sa, 28.05.2011 13:25, Erick Pérez wrote: Well, the visual feedback is solved through desktop notfications. The specs cover pretty much every single case Desktop notifications deal with incomming messages. They don't deal with status feedback (Is my MUA currently running and checking mail in the background?), nor do they help with accessing the application to write a mail oneself. Holger ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
On Sa, 28.05.2011 11:05, Cyril Arnaud wrote: I guess that you are missing the point. Workspaces are not graveyards. They're spaces where you can group activities according to your needs and workflow. Yes, and dumping random stuff I want open but don't want to look at all the time (MUA, IM, media player) into a workspace hardly makes up for an activity. Holger ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
Hi, I wanted to say that I really love GNOME 3, nice work all. :) One thing I'm missing is a way to get windows out of the way when I don't want to work with them. For instance, I keep Evolution running 100% of the time but only check it every now and then. Same with Banshee, it's always running but I spend very little time with its window. I figured minimizing would do the trick, and I could get the window back using the dash icon (that already works). Problem is that minimized windows appear in the overview, and I only want the windows I'm working with to appear in the overview. Any pointers on how I could hack mutter or the shell to make minimized windows not appear in the overview mode? Also, if anyone has a link on the shell's planned design for minimizing I'd love to read about it. Thank you all, ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?
My bad, but the fact remains that minimizing a window will change nothing in overview. My point was more that you have to reconsider your workflow instead of trying to retrieve a feature that's becoming less useful. On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 20:19 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 22:20 -0400, Cyril Arnaud wrote: There is no minimize per say in Gnome Shell (there not even a button for this). Yes, there is. Right-click on the window title, and click minimize. There is also a dconf setting which can re-enable the minimize button, and gnome-tweak-tool provides an interface to this. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
