Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-16 Thread Larry Brower
I have never had any issues moving keys between boxes. In fact I moved my
keys just last week to a box at work.

What exactly is the nature of the problem?

On Friday, November 14, 2014, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to
 get a fully
 functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an
 impossible task to
 do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but
 this time round I
 thought that I would apply some effort.

 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S
 To Another Machine.

 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if
 they have THEY
 HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully.
 No one. NOT ONE OF
 YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to
 work.

 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and
 signing but the
 programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are
 PERFECT but the
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap.

 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE
 ANOTHER SET A
 BLOODY KEYS

 I am not a happy bunny!!!

 David




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My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
Hi All,

After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get 
a fully
functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an 
impossible task to
do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this 
time round I
thought that I would apply some effort.

My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To 
Another Machine.

There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they 
have THEY
HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No 
one. NOT ONE OF
YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work.

This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and 
signing but the
programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT 
but the
software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap.

So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE 
ANOTHER SET A
BLOODY KEYS

I am not a happy bunny!!!

David




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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Nicholas Cole
David,

I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense.
Of course people move keys between machines all the time.  I have done
it myself often.  I don't think that anyone deserves that level of
abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a
program that is an industry standard and released it for free.

Nicholas

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to 
 get a fully
 functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an 
 impossible task to
 do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this 
 time round I
 thought that I would apply some effort.

 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To 
 Another Machine.

 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if 
 they have THEY
 HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No 
 one. NOT ONE OF
 YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work.

 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and 
 signing but the
 programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are 
 PERFECT but the
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap.

 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE 
 ANOTHER SET A
 BLOODY KEYS

 I am not a happy bunny!!!

 David




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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote:
 David,
 
 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense.
 Of course people move keys between machines all the time.  I have done
 it myself often.  I don't think that anyone deserves that level of
 abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a
 program that is an industry standard and released it for free.
 
 Nicholas
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to 
 get a fully
 functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an 
 impossible task to
 do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this 
 time round I
 thought that I would apply some effort.

 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To 
 Another Machine.

 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if 
 they have THEY
 HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No 
 one. NOT ONE OF
 YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work.

 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and 
 signing but the
 programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are 
 PERFECT but the
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap.

 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE 
 ANOTHER SET A
 BLOODY KEYS

 I am not a happy bunny!!!

 David




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I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE 
HAS EVER
SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT 
WORKING SIGNING
AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.

THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER 
DONE IT.

David


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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:34, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said:

 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense.
 Of course people move keys between machines all the time.  I have done

Right.  And you may even copy it from one OS to an entirely different
one.  The files are fully platform independent.

Yet another of these gnome-keyring-daemon problems?


Salam-Shalom,

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Nicole Faerber
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Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five
machines with no issue.

I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story.

Cheers
  nicole


Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com:
 On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote:
 David,
 
 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just
 nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the
 time.  I have done it myself often.  I don't think that anyone
 deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put
 years of work into a program that is an industry standard and
 released it for free.
 
 Nicholas
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com
 da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple
 task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64
 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do.
 In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates -
 but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort.
 
 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From
 The Same O/S To Another Machine.
 
 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted
 it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this
 list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU
 can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it
 to work.
 
 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at
 encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally
 flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the 
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows
 it's crap.
 
 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE
 TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS
 
 I am not a happy bunny!!!
 
 David
 
 
 
 
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 no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell
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 I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the
 same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR
 .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION
 PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.
 
 THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU
 HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT.
 
 David
 
 


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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Jason Antony
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On 2014-11-14 22:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote:

 I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still
 the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR 
 .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION 
 PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.

But many have succeeded in it. Add myself to the list of people who
have successfully backed up and re-used my GPG data files for over ten
years, across various operating systems.

It would be best to re-visit the problem when you're in a clear, calm
frame of mind.

All the best,

Jason

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Johan Wevers
On 14-11-2014 12:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote:

 I have done everything correctly

Apparently not. Or maybe the files are corrupted? Do they still work on
the original computer?

 - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER
 SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT 
 WORKING SIGNING
 AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.

I did. Switched even between Linux and Windows, no problems. In the
latter case, I did make a few changes to gnupg.conf since Windows has a
different directory structure but that's all.

 THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER 
 EVER DONE IT.

Stop shouting, we're neither deaf nor blind.

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
On 14/11/14 12:15, Jason Antony wrote:
 On 2014-11-14 22:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 
 I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still
 the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR
 .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION
 PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.
 
 But many have succeeded in it. Add myself to the list of people who
 have successfully backed up and re-used my GPG data files for over ten
 years, across various operating systems.
 
 It would be best to re-visit the problem when you're in a clear, calm
 frame of mind.
 
 All the best,
 
 Jason
 
 
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Another pointless answer - no practical data - so there's no validity in what 
you say

David


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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
On 14/11/14 12:46, Werner Koch wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:34, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said:
 
 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense.
 Of course people move keys between machines all the time.  I have done
 
 Right.  And you may even copy it from one OS to an entirely different
 one.  The files are fully platform independent.
 
 Yet another of these gnome-keyring-daemon problems?
 
 
 Salam-Shalom,
 
Werner
 

Werner,

I have done everything - but have a complete and absolute failure. Nothing 
works - I get the
same error time and time again.

David



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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
On 14/11/14 13:14, Johan Wevers wrote:
 On 14-11-2014 12:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 
 I have done everything correctly
 
 Apparently not. Or maybe the files are corrupted? Do they still work on
 the original computer?
 
 - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER
 SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT 
 WORKING SIGNING
 AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.
 
 I did. Switched even between Linux and Windows, no problems. In the
 latter case, I did make a few changes to gnupg.conf since Windows has a
 different directory structure but that's all.
 
 THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER 
 EVER DONE IT.
 
 Stop shouting, we're neither deaf nor blind.
 

Everything works 100 per cent fine on the other laptop

David


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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Nicholas Cole
David,

I've read most of your emails about this, and I don't see any
description of the command you have entered or the error you are
getting.

Trying to diagnose it doesn't work error reports is a little like
trying to type blind: you might get it right, but you'll probably just
frustrate anyone trying to read what you've written.  The standard way
to report errors is:

1. What are you trying to do?

2. What command(s) did you enter exactly?

3. What did you expect to see?

4. What did you actually see?

So far, I can only see the answer to question 1.

N.


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:11 PM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 On 14/11/14 11:56, Nicole Faerber wrote:
 Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five
 machines with no issue.

 I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story.

 Cheers
   nicole


 Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com:
 On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote:
 David,

 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just
 nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the
 time.  I have done it myself often.  I don't think that anyone
 deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put
 years of work into a program that is an industry standard and
 released it for free.

 Nicholas

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com
 da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple
 task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64
 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do.
 In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates -
 but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort.

 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From
 The Same O/S To Another Machine.

 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted
 it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this
 list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU
 can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it
 to work.

 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at
 encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally
 flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows
 it's crap.

 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE
 TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS

 I am not a happy bunny!!!

 David




 -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons,
 no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell
 perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.”
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 I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the
 same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR
 .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION
 PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.

 THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU
 HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT.

 David




 Viele Grüße
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 That does not work

 David

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread da...@gbenet.com
On 14/11/14 11:56, Nicole Faerber wrote:
 Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five
 machines with no issue.
 
 I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story.
 
 Cheers
   nicole
 
 
 Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com:
 On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote:
 David,

 I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just
 nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the
 time.  I have done it myself often.  I don't think that anyone
 deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put
 years of work into a program that is an industry standard and
 released it for free.

 Nicholas

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com
 da...@gbenet.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple
 task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64
 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do.
 In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates -
 but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort.

 My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From
 The Same O/S To Another Machine.

 There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted
 it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this
 list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU
 can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it
 to work.

 This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at
 encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally
 flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the 
 software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows
 it's crap.

 So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE
 TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS

 I am not a happy bunny!!!

 David




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 I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the
 same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR
 .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION
 PROGRAMME THAT WORKS.
 
 THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU
 HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT.
 
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That does not work

David

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Charles Spitzer
Speaking as someone who has worked in a computer support organization for over 
40 years, I must say you make it extremely hard for someone to help you.

You have been asked to provide a list of commands and their output numerous 
times. You have been provided with some command lines to run, with the 
expectation that you'd provide the output from those commands. Simply stating 
That does not work. does not help anyone help you, and the abuse you have 
heaped upon people trying to tell you that make them not want to help further. 

Can you, or can you not, provide a cut/paste of what you are trying to do, 
which includes the actual command lines you are executing, and the output from 
the commands that are being executed?

Regards,
Charlie
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To: Nicole Faerber; gnupg-users@gnupg.org
Subject: Re: My Conclusions
[Charles Spitzer] 
snip
That does not work

David

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Re: My Conclusions

2014-11-14 Thread Jason Antony
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On 2014-11-15 04:13, da...@gbenet.com wrote:

 Another pointless answer - no practical data - so there's no
 validity in what you say

You are squandering the goodwill of those trying to help you with such
responses, of which you have sent many more. No one has an obligation
to assist you, especially when their requests for terminal output are
ignored, instead met with childish tantrums and hissy fits.

If you want results, learn to behave in a mature manner. Be polite,
and work with us. Else, feel free to leave the list. We do not need
belligerent ingrates.

Regards,

Jason

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