[GOAL] Re: Interesting Current Science opinion paper on Predatory Journals

2014-09-25 Thread Thomas Krichel
  Dana Roth writes

 it is totally unrealistic to assume serious researchers have the
 time to wade thru anything more than a fraction of what is being
 published.

  Sure.

 Is there really anything better than limiting current awareness to
 high quality peer reviewed journals,

  Of course there is better. Get yourself a precise topic-focused
  current awareness service that delivers people the papers they need
  to look at based on their topics rather than the outlet that they
  were published, and that delivers them now, rather in years' time
  when the papers have gone through peer-review whatever that means.

  I have created such a service for RePEc at http://nep.repec.org.
  I want to work on creating similar services for areas other than
  economics.

-- 

  Cheers,

  Thomas Krichel  http://openlib.org/home/krichel
  skype:thomaskrichel
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[GOAL] Re: Interesting Current Science opinion paper on Predatory Journals

2014-09-25 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Dana,

It would be so sad if you accept that there is a sizeable body of literature 
that might be directly related to your research but that you decide not to read 
it because you can't read it all *and* base your selection of what to read on 
crude criteria not relating to the merits of the individual article. If you 
take a look at the skewed nature of citation frequency of articles in any 
journal and realize that there even is a positive correlation between impact 
factors and retractions in the end you should realize that making a distinction 
in such a crude way is not desirable. That would mean that overall scholarly 
publishing is not functioning anymore, and that it serves more to advance 
careers than to advance science. I do not want to accept that: it would be such 
a waste of talent, money, time etc. and endanger public support and financing 
of science. 

Some suggestions to alleviate this:
- make peer review open (that can still be anonymous if you wish)
- experiment with and invest in post-pub peer review (e.g. PubMed Commons)
- use recommendation systems such as F1000
- next to TOC alerts, also use keyword and citation alerts from Scopus, WoS and 
other AI services (e.g. Keep Me Posted alerts in SciFinder)
- share the burden of current awareness in a research team
- glance over comments, article level metrics and altmetrics links

And yes, I do intend to remain realistic: if you have given several articles 
from a new journal, a non IF-journal, a non US/European, an Open Access journal 
a chance and they proved to be total rubbish it is completely logical that you 
will be less inclined to read more papers from that journal. But over time, and 
especially if an article is exactly on topic, I would advise to give it another 
chance.

But let's return to the topic of this list: do you know of anybody in your 
institution that has been fooled by a real scam journal? I always ask our 
faculty but have not yet come across any such person. Almost all have received 
soliciting emails, but just tossed them aside. Every once in a while faculty 
approach us with the request to profile a certain journal that they haven't 
heard about before. That is no big deal. So yes, it is a relatively minor 
annoyance, something that worries me much less than the peer review crisis.

Best,
Jeroen Bosman
Utrecht University Library


-Original Message-
From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Dana Roth
Sent: donderdag 25 september 2014 5:55
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Interesting Current Science opinion paper on Predatory 
Journals

I agree with Chuck ... and feel it is totally unrealistic to assume serious 
researchers have the time to wade thru anything more than a fraction of what is 
being published.  Is there really anything better than limiting current 
awareness to high quality peer reviewed journals, and SciFinder, etc. for 
retrospective searching for very specific information or review articles?

Dana L. Roth
Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32
1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125
626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540
dzr...@library.caltech.edu
http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm

From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [goal-boun...@eprints.org] on behalf of David 
Prosser [david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:05 AM
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Cc: Siler, Elizabeth; Tokoro, Shoko; Hoon, Peggy
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Interesting Current Science opinion paper   on  
Predatory  Journals

I think that every article should be read on it's own merits and it should not 
have value assigned to it just because it has managed to get into a certain 
club (journal).  It is saddening to me that this suggestion should be 
considered even vaguely radical.

When Science carried out its 'Sting' on open access titles there were journals 
on Beall's list that rejected the paper.  Other not on his list (including one 
published under the auspices of Elsevier ) accepted it.  I'm all for context, 
but if we are considering a researcher's future and funding surely we owe it to 
them to judge them on their own merits and not on the arbitrary criteria of one 
chap in Colorado.

David

On 24 Sep 2014, at 10:40, Hamaker, Charles 
caham...@uncc.edumailto:caham...@uncc.edu wrote:

So every article from every journal should be read under the assumption that 
peer review markers are a poor way to make a preliminary decision point as to 
whether  the article merits attention?
It's going to be difficult to assume every one is expert enough to judge every 
paper they read solely on the content absent context of labeling or assumption 
of  basic peer review.
 Journal labels provide a context. Are we to ignore that?
Doesn't that make introduction to a literature for novices or the task of 
anyone reading outside the narrow boundaries of their discipline almost