Re: [Goanet] Inflation soars to TWENTY SEVEN year high
Mario Goveia wrote: Is this why you continue to DENY that your explanations of gold prices and how you picked the lowest price of gold, make no sense?:-))? I suggest you cross that very high hurdle you have made for yourself:-))? Or, if you prefer, stop digging:-)) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, I had to stop reading here. The reasons for me?buying gold?(close to its?lowest point) are well documented on this and other websites. I can provide you the links if you want. I bought gold?when the price was low. Is this difficult to accept? Mario responds: Let's get something straight. If you are making lots of money from buying gold instead of winning lotteries, all power to you. My problem is with what you write on Goanet and your shifting explanations of how you picked the low point of gold prices in the late 1990s. These explanations include, a) you used price charts that were made in 2008, b) you bought gold because central bankers were selling gold and you knew they are all idiots, and c) you work very hard as proven by your claim that you caught more lobsters as a youth in Africa than anyone else. None of these explanations made sense. You can't pick a price in 1998 from a chart in 2008. Besides, when central bankers sell gold the price goes down, which it did not from the $280 level it was around from about 1996 to 2001. Gold prices had declined steadily for about ten years before that period and have risen steadily thereafter until recently. Mervyn wrote: Secondly,?I am still digging for gold :-) Mario responds: The hole you need to stop digging concerns your explanations of why you do what you do. I hope you bought lots of gold at $1,000 like some of your friends did while thanking you for your recommendation. Mervyn wrote: As for US?inflation,?Fox News?is?reporting it?at a 27 year high. If you do not want to believe the same, pour yourself a cup of er, tea and write to Fox?expressing your anguish. No one else on Goanet doubts the 27 year high. Mario responds: As you often do with posts you respond to, you apparently stopped reading the Fox News article after the first paragraph. I actually read the article and understand that the Fox News reporter had written about producer prices or wholesale prices, not consumer prices. Unfortunately for your argument, official inflation figures are based on the consumer price index, since wholesale prices often do not make their way into consumer prices, and some do over a longer period of time. The last official inflation rate for July was 5.7% per annum, which is at a 17 year high for the US but low by world standards. One person reads Fox News, the other understands Fox News - Mario Goveia, adapted from a quote by Ronald Reagan.
Re: [Goanet] Scientific literacy
Fr. Ivo wrote: Your scientific method cannot be used, as you only admit. Even now I cannot understand your method for such cases. About your scientific method, it is the method to be used for common clinical cases. The barrage of posts that Fr. Ivo has unleashed on this forum are doing serious damage to the cause of scientific literacy. He does not understand the simple fact that science has nothing to do with his religion or anybody else's religion. The amount of mangling and mixing of science he has done with his own theology and religious beliefs is simply mind-boggling. The one saving grace is that he has finally admitted (see above) that he does not understand the scientific method. That is why he will never be able to comprehend such things as how the shroud of Turin has been demonstrated to be a 13th century fabrication, or the fact that he is doing a disservice to science and to the scientific community by using scientific ignorance rather than pure faith as a prop to validate his particular supernatural beliefs. Cheers, Santosh Fr. Ivo wrote: Science has not proved through all tests that the Shroud of Turin is a fake. There are difficulties, but they have been answered by scientists.
[Goanet] Why can't India develop world class athletes
Mario responds: Thanks for making my point, which is that India is not able to produce world-class athletes, even when those in the military and railways play all day. I still haven't seen a sensible explanation from you as to why a giant intellectual superpower like India cannot produce world-class athletes when so many tiny and poor countries develop world-class athletes year in and year out. Just look at what China has achieved in such a short time span. They did not dominate any world-class sports when they were 100% communist, now their gold medal count exceeded the USA. -- Reply: Obviously, you have not heard of the Chinese POLITBURORO vs Indian bribery system. Secondly you do not know the difference of administration between Communism vs belpuri bribery infused democratic system of India. Playing all day with Belpuri in their stomach is not good enough. Meat eating people like my cousin has no say in todays bribing Indian system. Belpuri people have taken over, like they have taken over Goa administration via the Central Govt and have no interest of Goa in their blood. I HAVE given you a sensible answer - you just agree to disagree. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Is India a poor country
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:51:58 +0100 (BST) From: JOHN MONTEIRO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mrs. Gandhi as you know sent in troops into the Sikh's holy shrine, at The Golden Temple at Amritza, this violated their religion their charity. Mario asks: Hey, John, do you know WHY Indian troops went into the Golden Temple in Amritsar? If you did you may conclude that the temple had been already grossly violated by the Sikh terrorists who were killing their adversaries and then using it as a sanctuary for years before the Indian troops went in. John wrote: The Sri Lankan government are not taking any notice of them, they can work, live have families, pay taxes run their part of the island, no problem but when you want equality, this is a no no, Mario asks: Isn't running their part of the island even better than equality? What more could anyone ask for? So, John, is it your opinion that to get the government to take notice of a minority group, after the minority group is allowed to run their part of the island - which sounds like pretty good taking notice to me - does the minority group have to target and kill innocent civilians in order to get their way? John wrote: You dont kill simply because you disagree with someone, they must have done something unforgiveable to you to take such action. Mario asks: So, why doesn't this apply to the Tamil terrorists in Sri Lanka? Or is it unforgiveable for the Sri Lankan government to allow the Tamils to run their part of the island? Besides, they could return to Tamil Nadu if they were so upset, couldn't they? John wrote: In Goa we see hear similar things happening, Mario asks: Oh, really? The last time I checked the only killing that the fierce Goan revolutionaries like Rajan, Floriano, JoeGoaUK, Wendell, Fred, Tony, Dean, plus Jane Gillian and a few others who don't even live in Goa, were engaged in was by bloviating the rest of us on Goanet to distraction:-)) Everyone else seems quite sussegad in Goa compared with the Tamils in Sri Lanka or the Sikh separatists in Punjab in Indira's day. Perhaps the Sri Lankan government can learn from Punjab, i.e. if the government kills enough of the terrorists who essentially want to take the law into their own hands and kill innocent civilians in order to get their way by force, rather than risk losing at the ballot box, the problem disappears. BTW, aren't the Tamils in Sri Lanka somewhat like the dreaded outsider Ghantis in Goa? I don't see any Ghantis asking to run their part of Goa or complaining that no one is taking notice of them. They just want to be left alone. John wrote: India has its share of corruption, its been there, in much the same way as the Europeans had in abundance only a couple of centuries ago, now with rules governing behaviour, they are all exposed in newspapers, and have to resign, no longer the personal fifedom their ancestors enjoyed. Mario asks: I guess the Indians of today didn't learn anything from the Europeans of yesteryear. John wrote: Dont stop at policians, get the nasty policeman off the street, and into jail himself, no more taking polical sides and being paid extra to baton the demonstrators into submission. Mario observes: John, With so much work to be done in Goa, what are you doing living in England and bloviating on Goanet? Go back and lead the revolution, man! John wrote: So far, I have NO PROOF of corruption, perhaps a poster or two who may have more knowledge on this subject can bring forth a LIST OF NAMES with THEIR (proven) CRIMES, dates places and so on. Mario asks: John, without proof you better not remove anyone's hands, even a politician's. That could land you in all kinds of trouble. Besides, if their crimes were proven, wouldn't they be in jail? I don't know. I'm just asking an obviously silly question. John wrote: but what about the average person, the other half a billion of the population, are they happy or are they just putting up with things cause it does not affect their lives, they have a roof over their heads, plenty to eat, have a good family with no health or wealth worries ?? Mario asks: John, you live in the UK, don't you, with a roof over your head, with plenty to eat, a good family, no major health worries we know of? What, pray tell, are you doing about all those teenagers in Britain stabbing each other, or the British YOBs running around binge drinking and thrashing cities in Europe after football games, or the jihadis plotting to kill all you nasty infidels who are refusing to convert? John wrote: its the minority who have taken the larger chunk of the cake, and wont share it. They need a shake up, and an investigation into their dealings. Mario asks: Who exactly is going to conduct the investigation and lead the shake up? Leaders like you are bloviating on Goanet but are not ready to go back and lead the revolution. Finally, why are we only talking about the corrupt big wigs in
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Jose and Fr. Ivo (was Lourdes miracles)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Regarding subjects that Dr. Jose does know something about, I am curious as to how he is going about looking for scientific explanations for the cures/recoveries he has observed for which there is no known medical explanation. Jose would want to speak for himself. But from my understanding of how scientific professionals like him address this important question, I can say the following. When a scientific professional says until I find a scientific explanation, as Jose has done, he means three things: 1. He recognizes the possibility that the scientific explanation might already be known, but he is not yet aware of it himself. So he would have to consult other experts, particularly physician scientists who are actively involved in cutting edge research on the subject. 2. He recognizes that there is a possibility that he may have missed something, and that another expert, especially one who focuses on the particular subject, might be able to lead him to right scientific explanation. 3. He recognizes that the very nature of scientific endeavor is to mount a long-term research effort to find a natural explanation for unexplained cases and phenomena. His education, training and knowledge of the history of science tell him that sooner or later this effort would be successful, and on that day he would have found the correct scientific explanation. Fr. Ivo, on the other hand, appears not to know any of this at all. Despite having no background in science, and despite having been easily and repeatedly misled by bogus claims on the internet and elsewhere, he believes he has prescient knowledge as to which unexplained cases and phenomena will defy scientific explanation forever (Please see below). No scientist dead or alive has ever claimed to have such a prophetic foresight. Cheers, Santosh Fr. Ivo wrote: ***You are speaking of phenomena in general, not of 'extraordinary' cases, which will defy scientific explanations. When one says miracles, one can mean also healings that are unexplained now, but could be or not explained later on.
[Goanet] Portuguese memoirs ...
Of 1961 in Goa http://tinyurl.com/65ht2j Thanks to Teo for posting it to Goa-Research-Net. FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Check out Moira-Net http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net
Re: [Goanet] Miracle at Kazur
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While Fr Ivo and I do our miracle clown act, you can get Santosh to publish a scientific paper on posteriority - the new science of studying backsides. I think Roland is misunderstanding Marlon. Marlon really wants Roland to document the act on paper for his posteriority. This is a genuine effort toward conservation of the natural environment - making good use of useless paper before recycling it, and conserving water at the same time. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre
If every one whose dear ones die in hospitals or under the care of their doctors go on slapping and kicking them, I think our 'modern society' is creating 'mechanical garages' out of our hospitals and clinics. Yes, in that case, one has the right to slap the doctor, like one would slap a mechanic who has stolen your money and replaced a bad part in your vehicle with another bad one, or if he has forgotten to check the brake fluid pipe for leakages, but simply refilled the empty brake fluid container; or any of the million things that can happen to a vehicle, leading to crippling accidents or even deaths. It is sad to note that modernity and technological advances in medicine are creating a 'robotics' society, devoid of humane-ness. The very fact that the mother of this young lady was in the ICU for a prolonged period of time is because she was very sick. If we cannot accept this, then we are unfit to call ourselves humane. Even if there was an element of negligience on the part of the concerned doctor, it is a matter for lodging protests and for the hospital authorities to conduct unbiased investigations. Besides, there is something called the 'autopsy' or the 'post-mortem' (for taking corrective actions that this does not repeat again) And it may turn out that the doctor was really irresponsibly negligient. And the internal or external actions will deal with such criminal negligience. BTW1: Dr. Jindal, the Dean of the Medical College is right. Such offences should be non-bailable. BTW2: There are plenty instances where the immediate member/s of the deceased have violently shaken the concerned doctors and cried on their shoulders Why couldn't you save my .beloved? .Most often we consider our doctors the GODS ALMIGHTY. This is acute grief and this is acceptable BTW3: I think it best that we should leave Sonia Mhambre's mother to rest in peace and Sonia Mhambre a lifetime to repent over her impulsive actions. Cheers floriano goasuraj. - Original Message - From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre Dear Samir, Do not waste your time on this issue. It is one thing for a NRI crab to attack Kevin and Lisette Saldanha on the Goanet and quite another for Sonia Mhambre to slap a Resident doctor at GMC in Goa. Even if her 60 year old, chronically ill mother [she was in Intensive Care Unit or ICU for many days] died due to medical negligence, the Resident Doctor is not the one to whom the blame can be apportioned. I wonder if Roland is the type who would go slap the flight purser if the flight is delayed due to a technical snag? Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it can be proved that there was malpractice and/or negligence, the doctor should be disciplined appropriately with suspension of his medical licence. That will be enough to ruin his career. Roland. Let me guess. You are an NRI? Having made enough money abroad, you are now whiling away time on Goanet? Are you willing to write off the expenses? You should stop giving platitudes that mean nothing. samir
[Goanet] comments
Language and Shame Language forms a part of one's identity. When it was a time to decide a topic for my dissertation for MA Sociology of Goa University I began thinking, why people in Goa hesitate to speak Konkani? We say Konkani is our mother tongue and it should be preserved as it is loosing its significance.I wonder why? Some say the reason for the decline in the use of Konkani language is the domination of English in spheres of education, career opportunities, social status etc.But more than getting status I found that shame is the main cause of this hesitation. I want your help to know more about this problem. Please send me your comments for the following question. Have you ever experienced any incident where in you or any one felt ashamed of speaking Konkani? Please describe the incident in as much detail as you can and send me your responses to my email ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanking you, Avita
Re: [Goanet] GHANTII
Sure, Mario (and Cornel and others), I will keep on harping on the good side of sossegado life. After all, life today in Portugal is still sossegado compared to the rat race of the rest of Europe. Why did I come to Australia? Oh! before I came to Australia, I lived in London. Why didn't I go to Angola/Mocambique? Beacause by the time I was ready for adventure, these countries were no longer Portuguese. Anyhow, I don't want to be baited out of the context. You say Goa did not have elections and freedom. Oh yes, Goa had a legislative assembly and Goa was represented at the Portuguese courts (during the monarchia) and later parliament (during the republican era). Look, I am not here to give you a history lesson, but please do yourselves a favour and get your facts right. Find out about Francisco Luis Gomes, Dr. Froilano Machado, Purxotoma Quenim, and others. Oh, BTW, kindly find out the difference between living in a village (or countryside) and living in a city. That way, perhaps having come to Goa for a holiday might be put in the right context (e.g. pig-toilet, snakes, et al). I've been in places here in Australia where the running water is only meant for bathing (yuk) and flushing, as it stinks of rotting vegetation (after all it is tank water obtained from the roof of the residence). For drinking/cooking either use boiled (yuk again) or use bottled. Walking again could mean you could swallow a fly or two if conversing with another or squishing through mud where cattle had been previously. Anyhow, its all part of the fun when one's holidaying in the countryside, but that does not mean that all of Australia is like those places. This is my last comment on this topic, as I hate repeating myself, year after year. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
[Goanet] CALLING - Ex Student s St. Pauls High School -Belgaum -India
000 ANNOUNCEMENT Posted by: ORLANDO DUARTE OLIVEIRA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:02 pm (PDT) Hi Guys, The Joint Reunion on 14th December 2008 will be held at the Naval Sailing Club, Colaba, Mumbai. We are grateful to our brother Paulite and Committee Member, Cmde. Medioma Bhadha for arranging this scenic venue. We trust the Puneites have begun to marshal themselves through Wg. Cdr. Dilip Sambhare Lt. Col. Sudhir Barge. We would still need to have your communicating your attendance to George Coelho [EMAIL PROTECTED]; in Mumbai as he is coordinating the arrangements at this end. Thanks. Ollie == Blog - under construction : - http://stpaulsbelgaumindia.blogspot.com/2008/05/paulites-exstudents-of-stpauls-high.html Belgaumites egroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] rene barreto - Class '56 WORLD GOA DAY - celebrated in GOA. http://www.childrenwalkingtall.com/Pictures/9-6.htm =
[Goanet] NEWS: Goa minister told to ignore Bihar court
Goa minister told to ignore Bihar court A Patna court Wednesday admitted a petition against a Goa minister for his alleged remarks that there will be more beggars in the coastal state if trains linking it to Patna were introduced Panaji: The Speaker of the Goa Assembly today ruled that home minister Ravi Naik should not respond to the Bihar court, if he is summoned in connection with his remarks on Biharis made during a special session. The issue figured during the state legislative assembly session today when the Home minister himself pointed out to the news item in a local newspaper. The news item mentioned that a Patna court on Wednesday admitted a petition against a Goa minister for his alleged anti-Bihari remarks that there will be more beggars in the coastal state if trains linking it to Patna were introduced. Chief Judicial Magistrate Raghavendra Singh admitted the petition filed by an advocate Ram Sandesh Singh against Naik and transferred it to the court of Sub-Divisional Judicial Magistrate Sarabjit for hearing. The home minister today moved breach of privilege against the judge as his utterance on the floor were not governed by any court. http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1654503
[Goanet] Age and SMH journos go on strike - from ninemsn
G'DAY GOANET. FOR THE ATTENTION OF SO-CALLED JOURNOS TOUT LES MONDE. ESPECIALLY F.N. It would be a slight exaggeration to say that the remainder of the print media belongs to Uncle Rupert. Btw, John Pilger's in town. Hip Hip Hooray. He's published everywhere, but not in Australia. LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY. Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers or anywhere else. LOL. Also, Hi to Penpricks. HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEEDING YOUR CALL FOR ACTION. You deserve better and I wish you success. How are you Bos(s)co? Hope you had a good summer. rubygoes This article appears in news.ninemsn.com.au and I thought you should see it. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=622452 If you cannot click on the link above, copy and paste the entire address below into your web browser. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=622452 For all the latest news around the globe, check out ninemsn. http://ninemsn.com.au
Re: [Goanet] GHANTII
Hi Gabriel Nice to hear from you after a seemingly long absence. I am however rather bemused by your long list of Portuguese contributions over 451 years in Goa but regret to say that they were of negligible help to Goa economically and in terms of developing a modern infrastructure. Had they done much better, perhaps we might not have had the massive exodus from Goa, over at least two centuries, of the Catholic Goans in particular. For lack of time now, I will confine myself to a few quick points: a) Up to 1961, in my periodic visits to Goa from Kenya during my dad's 6 month long leave periods, I found Goa incredibly backwards compared to Kenya. It was like visiting a land forgotten by modern economic development. Basic utilities like electricity, running water, and adequate road transport were simply missing. For me, it was definitely a worthwhile education in understanding life in fairly primitive conditions--especially re the toilets! b) I had relatives whom I visited from Kenya in other parts of India, whose living conditions were far superior to what was available in Goa. Indeed, the ones around my age simply dreaded travelling to Goa on holiday. Apart from some incredible long and exhausting walks to the beach and back, there was nothing much recreational nor educative for them to do in Goa. These were people familiar with plentiful electricity, running water, libraries, museums, zoos, public exhibitions, good transport and other amenities. In short, Goa had no comparable attraction for them whatsoever. Of course, this is merely illustrative as we do know that there were parts of India infinitely more disadvantaged than Goa. c) Re the crime rates, yes they were low in Goa because of the acute repression imposed by the Portuguese as well as by the relative emptiness of Goa due to a net outflow of people. Often, the men folk went to work at sea and left their women behind to raise children--something hardly conducive to good family life. Yet, it is precisely in these crime free times that Portuguese physical brutality was widely evident and suffered by many, including by me personally at the hands of Portuguese soldiers with rifles in hand--yes, when meekly queueing to visit the SFX shrine in Old Goa! There was no redress for gratuitous Portuguese violence dear Gabriel, including for those incarcerated in Aguada and other prisons when all that some vocally articulated was for freedom from oppressive colonial rule. I am therefore puzzled Gabriel that, this aspect is not factored into your 'credit worthy' contribution by the Portuguese over 451 years in Goa. c) And now, on a more 'provocative note' whilst agreeing with you that the British largely left the Indians alone re caste, languages, customs, etc (excepting sati), the entire Portuguese colonial emphasis was to change us Goans from being Indians to versions of themselves--particularly culturally. This included the provision of Portuguese nationality. Consequently and sadly, the hidden code of many a Goan asserting they were Goan, was to effectively distance themselves, false-consciously, from being taken to be Indians! Thankfully, this absurd situation has been changing since liberation in 1961 and so much for the better, particularly through the wider availability of education to many. Unlike the rest of India, the Portuguese tried to make us Catholic Goans as non Indian as possible even though we are definitely ethnically Indian. In short, the repressive and authoritarian Portuguese hegemony over long periods worked against what our real Indian identities were and if any are still thus confused, it is time we stopped fooling ourselves further--irrespective of what passports we may hold. My final thought is that, bearing in mind the inevitability of European colonial rule in recent history, and that all colonialism, without exception, exists to extract resources from conquered countries and to subordinate the natives, we Goans were particularly unfortunate to have the Portuguese as colonial masters. They really ought to have confined themselves to trade on the high seas (something they knew well about), because regrettably, they knew relatively little that was significantly worthwhile for the Goans ECONOMICALLY and EDUCATIONALLY then, and as current research evidence indicates, they are the least educated (reference available on request), of all European Union ethnic minority workers currently in the UK. The thought that such people lorded over us for 4.5 centuries, and kept the majority of us so backward economically and educationally, will hopefully make any red-blooded Goan, justifiably, pretty angry but also determined to properly utilise all the many opportunities India has offered to us since 1961. If correctly and wisely utilised, despite the many difficulties currently faced, this could soon make up for the massive seriously long-term economic, educational and infrastructural deficit left behind in Goa by the Portuguese.
[Goanet] Miracles - In Defence of Fr. Ivo
Agnelo said: Who gave man the intelligence to believe or not believe? Can anyone explain that? Education gives man intelligence? Who created education that in turn creates intellingence? Who created everything that we see, smell, think about, feel, possess, etc? Isn't that a miracle? Reply: Once upon a time (untill 50 years ago) every one thought that the heart is the centre of everything. Once heart stopped every thing else did, so we loved god with our heart etc etc. Agnelo! are you still a member of the flat earth society? Looks like it! What about the question Darwin asked, what sort of God is it that creates one life and than another that uses it to feed its young (refer to my other mails). -- Agnelo said: Why did I not die the same way others in similar accidents do? Can anyone explain? I believe that was a miracle. Reply: Fate! Young man! Refer to Astrology, it will tell you exactly when you will have an accident. Astrology will NOT prevent your fate, but. When you know it is raining (which you cannot stop) at least you can carry an umbrella. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Miracles
George said: Is the opposite true? If someone dies in an accident, there is no miracle, hence no God? Given there are many deaths in car accidents, should we conclude God does not exist just as some conclude God exists if they survive the accident. -- Reply: Basically humans are animals. All animals have a superior power over them, we are overseen by a higher power (not one God but Gods - if you would like to call them God). We are monitored by another power, over all human (living) animals. Does a Dog understand the basics of flying or that its food comes out of a bag or a tin? Similarly do we as an animal kind know the answers to all the mysteries? If God knows every thing and gives us knowledge and is all kind and giving etc etc? Why didn't he give Adam and Eve a 'microwave oven' as a wedding or a parting gift when she threw them out of the Garden of Eden? ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Matanhy Saldanha calls for Special Status for Goa
To Goanet - Please forward this report of Matanhy Saldanha's press conference to every Goan you know in Goa, India, and around the world. I am also including the text below in case there are difficulties in opening the pdf file. Regards, r http://www.parrikar.org/misc/Matanhy-SS-for-Goa.pdf For Favor of Publication At a press conference, held here today, Mr. Matanhy Saldanha, former Tourism Minister, said that after ousting the Portuguese colonialists from the soil of Goa, our political leaders of the past, played their role to protect the interest of Goa. But at every stage, Goans had to fight to protect their identity and their interest. To prevent merger of Goa with Maharashtra, Goa had to have the opinion poll to maintain its separate entity. This was followed by its struggle to have Konkani introduced in the 8th Schedule of the Constitution. Forty seven years after freedom from the colonial rule, Goa is still not safe and is in the process of losing its identity. Being aware of Goa’s uniqueness, the then Prime Minister of India, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru, had assured the people of Goa that Goa would be given special status to protect its uniqueness and identity. Unfortunately, it only remained a promise. Mr. Saldanha said that, today, Goa has reached a stage where it runs the risk of totally losing its identity, as its limited land is being sold for the lure of money. Land gives any society its identity, security and scope to achieve greater heights. Some gullible people of Goa are being tricked into selling this very land by the real estate sharks, builders and the millionaires from all over the world, who come to Goa because they realize that Goa is a paradise to be owned. They come here not for the love of Goa and its people, but for the money they can make by exploiting the land and its people. Even the land in possession of the schedule tribes and other backward classes, land which belongs to the age old institution of “Communidades” (community land), prior to the Portuguese, is unscrupulously being taken over or acquired by the Government of Goa, only to hand over to the industrialists, the businessmen and the real estate developers, in the name of so called development. Almost 70 - 80% of the beneficiaries of this acquired land are not the local people of Goa. Mr. Saldanha further said that black moneyed people from all over India, especially from the north of India, are luring the local people to sell off their land, by enticing them with high offers. This has resulted in an artificial escalation in land prices even in the remotest corner of Goa, thus making it absolutely impossible for the local people to buy land in Goa. The sale of land in Goa has resulted in the construction of gated housing colonies, tourist resorts and multi- storied buildings, even in the villages, in violation of the existing rules and regulations, thus changing the topography and the very character of the villages which are responsible for Goa’s uniqueness. Besides, these constructions are mostly purchased by people from the other states as the locals cannot afford the high prices inspite of their urgent need. The sale of land and the construction activity in the state has resulted in the influx of people from other states of the country into Goa. Consequently, practically in all the industries including tourism and mechanized fishing, besides mining, 90 to 95% of the people employed are from the other states. Even in the small businesses like fruit and vegetable sale in the markets, the locals are totally displaced. Setting up of small roadside kiosks (gaddas) is also being taken over. A quick survey of the coastal village schools and that of Ponda, Quepem and Sarvodem, reveals that nearly 60% of the students enrolled are from the other states, who have settled in the state of Goa. In some towns like Margao, Ponda and even Murmogao, the migrant population has outnumbered the local population, and this can be verified from the electoral rolls. Mr. Saldanha said that, it must be noted that the population of Goa remained stable for nearly two hundred years before 1961 and was around five to six lakh, inspite of the high Goan birth rate. Today, the population has shot up to almost fifteen lakh, within forty seven years, inspite of the low Goan birth rate and this increase, is due to the migrant influx. One can confidently say that presently, almost 50% of the total population in the state of Goa comes from the other states of the country. The people of Goa are not against migrants from any state of the country. However, today, the influx of people from other states is not just consigned to major towns but every village is being filled by migrants, changing the demography of the villages, outnumbering the local people and changing the cultural, social, economic and political identity of the Goan society. Goa has exceeded its saturation point as far as population is
[Goanet] 61st Death anniversary -Pai tiatrist
On his 61st death anniversary today 29/08/2008 tiatrists in Goa paid homage to Pai Tiatrist late Joao Agostinho Fernandes at a brief one hours function held at the Ravindra Bhavan - Pai Tiatrist - Joao Agostinho Fernandes A/c Indoor Auditorium at 1300 hrs. The function began with a small introductory speech by konkani playright and Convenor of the days function Mr Wilson Mazarello paying tributes to the legendary tiatrist revered by past and present tiatrists. Floral tributes were jointly paid by the Rajya Sabha MP Mr Shantaram L Naik, the Chief Guest on the ocassion and senior tiatrist hailing from Sanvordem Mr Remmie Colaco by garlanding the portrait of Pai tiatrist at the entrance of the A/c Indoor auditorium (the largest of its kind in Goa 1150 seats) The Chief Minister of Goa Mr Digamber Kamat who could not grace the ocassion owing to extensive Business of the House on the last date of the ongoing monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly deputed the Asst Director, Directorate of Art Culture Ashok V Parab to do the honours in paying tribute to Pai Tiatrist by offering a floral tribute on his behalf. Others who paid floral tributes were Dr Francisco Colaco an eminent cardiologist (a neighbour of late Chris Perry and Pai Tiatrist in Modsai Behind the Holy Spirit Church at Margao Goa ). Following this brief tributes the motely but reasonably good gathering of forty three tiatrists and other well meaning citizens, many of the tiatrists expressed their thoughts on the works and times of Pai Tiatrist Mr Wilson Mazarelo the Convenor of todays function described the unique features that Late Agostinho stood for; He stated that Pai tiatrist despite earning this distinction conferred upon him never ever looked down on Lucacinho Ribeiro who he considered his guide and mentor having staged the first tiatr on a Konkani tiatr “Italian Bhurgo was staged at the New Alfred Theatre Bombay (Mumbai ) on 17th April 1892 Easter Sunday. He recollected that Pai tiatrist, was a strict disciplinarian.Pai tiatrist condemned the earlier khell tiatrs zagors etc which were both extempore and were a vulgar display of drunkenness etc which failed to attract decent crowds. He recollected the times when Pai tiatrist wept at the Cross Maidan in Mumbai when he saw tiatrist indulging in slanderous and defamatory acts against their co-tiatrists and prayed for the unity of tiatrists. Mr Remmie Colaco who was given the place of honour ( the only living playwright who had the opportunity to perform in tiatrs staged then by Pai Tiatrist) did not speak on the ocassion due to his frail health but chose to convey the need to foster unity amongst the tiatr fraternity. Mr Mike Mehta (Adv) and konkani playwright saluted Pai tiatrist for he believed that the stage was the platform provided by Pai Tiatrist for all the playwrights to express themselves on societal issues. It was the stage which gave one a forum for expression during the erstwhile Portuguese regime ---the fora for fearless power of speech in action and song and therefore it was incumbent upon the tiatrists to ameliorate the feelings of Pai tiatrist and live up to his expectations. Mr Shantaram L Naik Rajya Sabha MP speaking on the ocassion admitted that he had only read of Pai tiatrist, and his works, but considering the fact that Pai tiatrist had documented his works for posterity ( Incidentally most of his works are lying in the Goa Konkani Academy taken from his family by the the Chairman of Goa Konkani Academy without any remmuneration for the same ) Mr Shantaram Naik expressed confidence that he would be able to work together with the konkani playwrights and do whatever possible to provide them assistance at the Central level. Mr Prince Jacob pleaded for granting industry status to the tiatrs. This would help them get facilities which are hitherto deprived. He pointed out that if granted an industry status it would provide employment opportunities for the youth of the state. He however expressed resentment over the fact that financial assistance given by the Government for the promotion of tiatr works in Konkani would not be beneficial if the same is in the official language Konknni in devanagari script. He therefore pleaded for recognition of Romi Lipi as the only viable alternative to maintaining unity among th Goans. Mr. Prince also expressed the desire that the indoor auditorium coming up at Kala Bhavan at Sancoale be named after Kid Boxer who hailed from Cortalim.. Mr Anil kumar another tiatrist did not approve of the MP's views to have the tiatrs of Pai tiatrist be enacted de novo with changes to suit the present times. Without mincing words Mr Kumar impressed upon the MP that re-mix should never ever be accepted as this would destroy the esssence of the original plays and preferred that the old tiatrs of Pai tiatrist be performed in its original form. He also pleaded
[Goanet] Is India a poor country
Mario observes: John, With so much work to be done in Goa, what are you doing living in England and bloviating on Goanet? Go back and lead the revolution, man! --- Hi, Mario missed observing that John is in Trinidad and Tobago eating sugar canes all day. He has gone fed up of UK and Goa, Christianity and Buddhism. All the personal history he wrote about himself is on duck's back? Mario! Mario! calm down clam down, cut him some slack. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Kazur
Sorry Santosh. No behind the ecenes. No slinking to another forum. I posted on Goanet. You or rebellious-against-Goanet crowd reply on Goanet. Regards, Roland. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would kindly request Roland to have the courage and decency to post his gratuitous innuendo (please see below) in the forum from which he gathered his unrelated behind-the-scenes material. The people whom he is trying to malign might want to have the opportunity to respond to him. He has been offered a complimentary subscription to that forum.
[Goanet] Daily Grook #202
DAILY GROOK #202 __ ROUGH EPITAPH __ by Francis Rodrigues here lies lazy john, came to hate kam, to work he's gone in kingdom come! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208
Re: [Goanet] Why can't India develop world-class athletes???
Regarding the unabashed joy of Indians at Bindra's victory we have to note a few points. Some of which I read three days ago in a piece by by Shashi Tharoor the Daily Yomiuri (English ed). Indian victories by and large in any field are largely by sheer individual effort and determination -- the state does practically nothing, except jump up and down, starting with officials who genuinely begin believing that its is they who make the winds shift or perhaps smell of exotic fragrances. Of course when it comes to the IITs its the state that at least provides monies. Chinese victories on the other hand are entirely the effort of a state system. Bindra is a CEO of his own hi-tech system. And he has a shooting range in his backyard -- ghara fatlean voi durga bhitor. Which brings to mind that there is no reason as to why those who have wealth as do many on Goanet -- achieve things, if that is of interest, in areas other than what they received their degrees in -- as Pamela D'Mello's recent article on the Derek Menezes made amply clear. The article also mentioned that when it comes to top level planning, (NB(vjp): not to be confused with sending satellites into space) -- of the kind that certain areas -- the Olympics for one need, such as logistics that shift with the sport, the individual, the temperaments, the sexuality, the exposure at top levels followed by analysis; sustained training, looking after the day to day life and development of the athlete (this would be everything in the existential: emotional, mental, focus, sustained planning against goals --- that we simply come short. China on the other hand will wipe out most things in its way for the alleged good of the state, India is grinding it out with the Narmada Bachao Andolan (34 years and counting). India exhausts you/us -- its citizens, China gives one the round-house punch (shifted 1.2 million for Three Gorges), and then there was Tiananmen which young Chinese have not even heard about, or at a whole other level -- sending back the American F16 which was downed a few years ago -- all crated up, after having studied it. Two different approaches. China presumably even tweaked the atmosphere to generate the climate it wanted, which allegedly is the cause of sudden rains recently in Japan. Anyway, thats it. I am sitting at a Manga Kisha writing this post -- an odd place where people come to play video games, read manga, watch anime and do all sorts of highly visually stimulating stuf. People literally live here. This is another sliver of a whole yet another existence. venantius j pinto Yamagata, Japan (just passing through, just passing through) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following essay by Indian humorist Melvin Durai is funny When some Indians, who produce thousands of intellectual athletes, preen about being a superpower in the near future, doesn't this sound like a pathetic joke after watching these last Olympics and what China has achieved in a relatively short period, after awakening from and rejecting years of crushing economic Marxism?
[Goanet] Are Goans going to let Biharis bully them?
Are Goans going to let Biharis bully them? Hi, Who started this caption? A non Goan? - Looks like it. We are on goanet and talking about Goa. WHO IS - 'THEM' and who are US? ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] GOA DAY RAFFLES PRIZES
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[Goanet] The Outsiders
This Email is in Response to Remo Fernandes's Email on how he was mistreated at Goa Airport, among other emails from your readers and the news in General from Goa. *** Hypocrisy is defined by wikipedia as this; Hypocrisy (or being a hypocrite) is the act of pretending to oppose a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time. Of late, over the past year or two, the calls for evicting the outsiders from Goa has become increasingly vocal. Outsiders are the reason for high land prices, crime, and everything else possible. Even for those of us who have made Goa our home, we are treated as 'outsiders' however long we may have lived here. If one sticks to the definition of Hypocrisy, I think it is quite appropriate to use the word in a situation like this. Goans were among the first people from the country to migrate overseas. Thousands of Goans reside Overseas in the U.K. , Canada and ofcourse, the Gulf countries; there is absolutely nothing wrong with migrating in search of greener pastures, we are all economic migrants in this day and age. A majority of Goans in the West hold foreign passports and are quick to apply for the naturalization process; also quite normal, who doesn't want the convenience and ofcourse the false sense of prestige that accompanies a foreign passport? What is saddending and incredulous however, is the calls by Overseas Goans as well to evict the outsiders from Goa; I'm sorry , the logic is lost on me. One of the largest sections of Indian society that has been migrating for generations and made use of opportunities overseas is not a supporter of migration? It's ok to have white trash in Goa, all year round, but not Indians from other states, a vast majority of whom are hardworking, honest people? Don't mistake me; I love Goa, I was born in Goa, and lived in Goa for close to 25 years now. Almost all the Goans I know are generally warm and friendly people, something that you cant really say for many other parts of the country unfortunately. I would love for people to come forward and educate me, on the hypocrisy that is the outsiders. Rahul M.
[Goanet] GOA VISTAS
Goan vistas By Wilbur Pereira Life's indeed a beach here. But Wilbur Pereira went beyond the sun, sand and scenery to capture elements that make this Indian state unlike any other. Pls. click to view the pic of the 60's + other pic. open the link click next to view other 8 pic. http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/08/07/18/10229903.html Gulfnews.com
[Goanet] the possible libel case of Saldanha v Correia
Dears, I hold no brief for Kevin and Lisette but it would be interesting to know what Eugene Correia, Roland Francis and others have to say to what Dr. Jose Colaco has placed on record. Making allegations on goanet is easy, organising an event ...even an entirely local event ... is not. I see many technical advisors on goanet telling the GBA how to run its campaign, but few are willing to risk their life and limb to protect the interests of Goa's future generations. Roland has gone to the ectent of congratulating a rather stupid girl who slapped a resident doctor at GMC. Agreed that she was agrieved by the death of her 60 year old mother who was suffering form a chronic illness BUT there was no cause for her to assault the doctor who was on duty at that particular point of time. If Roland has found justification for what he wrote, he should write it on Goanet, too. And I am in full agreement with Dr. Jose Colaco's assessment of Goanet Moderators' sense of Fair Play. I have experienced it when Floriano Lobo was slandering my sister at the turn of the Millenium [It was, in fact, the reason why I subscribed to Goanet]or when Rajan Parrikar was abusing the GBA. The US Marines say, In hindsight vision is 20/20. That is not exactly the case of some compulsively myopic folks! ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:48:30 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] the possible libel case of Saldanha v Correia Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eugene Correia gene_correia@ yahoo.com posted on GoaNet From a recent judgement in Canada. We live in a free country where people ave as much right to express outrageous and ridiculous opinions as moderate ones. Mr. Justice Ian Binnie, WIC Radio Ltd. v. Simpson, 2008 SCC 40 . and added that The above items are posted just to show how fair comment is interpreted by the court in the light of some goanetters saying they are considering legal options for comments made in the debate over the recent Goan Convention. == jc's response to Mr. Correia: In WIC Radio Ltd. v. Simpson, the case was about an OPINION, In Saldanha v Correia, the case would be about an ALLEGATION. Mitigating circumstance (say, of being drunk) cannot be used as Mr. Correia has already challenged any potential assertion that he may have been drunk at the time he wrote his Convention posts. (please see REFERENCE 1) Mr. Eugene Correia has made an ALLEGATION of free accomodation .(please see REFERENCE 2) Mrs. Lisette Saldanha has called this allegation a LIE (please see REFERENCE 3) jc REFERENCE 1: http://lists. goanet.org/ pipermail/ goanet-goanet. org/2008- August/079090. html Dear George, you mean to tell goanetters that I was drunk and then went home and wrote the piece. REFERENCE 2: http://lists. goanet.org/ pipermail/ goanet-goanet. org/2008- July/078065. html REFERENCE 3: http://lists. goanet.org/ pipermail/ goanet-goanet. org/2008- August/079133. html There are outright lies in your report, a quick phone call to us would have confirmed the allegation that our trip to Portugal last year was not paid by Casa de Goa, Virginia Gomes of Casa de Goa, wrote in her posts on Goanet that we took care of our own expenses..., however there is no retraction of your statement to date. REFERENCE 4: http://lists. goanet.org/ pipermail/ goanet-goanet. org/2008- August/078851. html THE CANADIAN CASE: From Lexis Nexis Canada http://lexisnexis. ca/documents/ 2008scc40. pdf Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor - hats off to Sonia
BTW1: Dr. Jindal, the Dean of the Medical College is right. Such offences should be non-bailable. floriano --- Hi, Now, the doctors at GMC think that they are the LAW? This is precisely the reason why Sonia should have slapped a few more doctors not just one. Some doctors (no matter where) think they are Gods. On the other hand the daughter could have been schizophrenic, or she might have pleaded several times to the doctors to give her mother better treatment, which fell on deaf ears. I have had experience with the GMC, and I am not happy with the way the doctors behave over there. One reason, just one reason, why I would not like to get sick in Goa. May be, May be Goa is better than other Hospitals in India, that is besides the point. I feel sorry for the doctor who took the brunt, but somebody had to be slapped at the GMC I'm glad it happened and glad too that she was bailed. Who, does he (Jindal) think he is. Govt. servant, or affiliated officer or whatever they call themselves has gone to their heads. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Brestar-Podd'dea Fattlean-23 'Zank-Zankttam'
'Brestar-Podd'dea Fattlean' (23) - Wilmix Wilson Mazarello ZANK ZANKTTAM Zank ani Fank mell’le Zank: Amge Tiatrist mure, kitea upkarpanu. Fank: Toxem kiteak mhunnttai tum ? Zank: Kitea mhunnttam ? Te kitea xiri pottaii ? Ek punn kaam zat tenkodde? Fank: Koslem kaam zaina tenkoddem ? Zank: Itu loka “following” ass temkam. Punn kitea xiri potta ? Tenchea-passot, temi kiteim punn korn dovorlam ? Tenge “Fors” ass te baxen, temi serkara aloupacho. Fank: Tum kitem sangunk sodhtai ? Sarkench sang mure? BOREM INTENSSAUM Zank: Choi. Tiatristange ekvott assa ? Ek “sonstha” ass mhunn aikonk eta, punn te sonsthen, kiteim punn kelo disti potta ? Tiatrak, ekxem pondra vorsam zalim mhunnttai, punn tiatristange “own” Hall assa? Tiatristange “own”,essai marpa zago assa ? Tiatristank keslii punn “security” assa? Fank: Sarkem tujem. Tunvui mhunn boro barik chint’tai mure? Zank: Chintit mhunnje? Chintich pott tem. Tiatristani amge kola, sonskruti, sambhallea. Tiatristani amge somaza rakhonn kelea, ani sudhraila. Tiatrist amkam zaie. Fank: Rau re,oddor “Tiatrist kitea xiri pottaii?”, mhunnttalo to tum nhum ?. Ani atam tunch sangtai tiatristani hem kelam , tem kelam , mhunn. APLEA PASSOT KAIM NAM Zank: Tum somzlonam mugelem. Hanv mhunno sodit tem hem. Tiatristani somaza passot zaitem kelam, punn apleam passot kaim kelona mhunn. Fank: Anh! Oxem ? Sozmolom, sozmolom. Atam mhojem aik. Tiatristani, somaza passot zaitem kelam zalear, atam somazan tanche-passot kiteim tori korunk naka ? Zank : Tum kit sangonk sodita ? Fank:- Tenchi zababdari te pallttat. Amchi zababdari konn pallttolo? Tiatristank “security”, ami diunk zai. Tankam “Hall” , ami bandhun diunk zai.. Essai marpacho zago, ami diunk zai. Zank: Tem, amchean kit korn diupa zata ? TIATR POLLOINARANCHI ZABABDARI Fank : Koxem diupak zata ? tancheam-votin ami, tiatr polloinarani, serkarakodden “magnni’ ghalunk zai, tiatristam-passot hem korat, tem korat, mhunn. Tiatrist apnnachech passot magtole, tacheaun borem lokan tanche passot maglelem. Oxem tuka dissona ? Zank: Tugelii mhunn, tokli bori cholta mure? Fank : Hangach amchem chukta tem. Ami dusreank bottam dakhounk hunxear. Amchi zababdari ami visortaum. Zorui ami, amchi zababdari vollkol’li zalear , aiz meren, tiatristank kitleoxeoch suvidhaeo mellpacheo. Zank: Tuem, mhujei dolle ugolle mure. Fank: Chint, dis-raat mhunnonastana, tiatrist vaurtat. Aiz Margao zalear faleam Mhapxeam. Porvam Ponje zalear, ervam Vasco. Soglem-Goy-bhor, te bhountat, apli kola dakhounk ani amkam koslem tori, somaz sudhraupachem xikxonn diunk. Itlem korun, magir ghara eun , uprant serkara-kodden suvidhaeo magunk, tenninch zhogoddpachem ? Zank: Sarkem-re, sarkem tugelem. Muge matxe chukolem. Ami, tench-passot zhogddonk zaiem, nhum ? AMCHEM KAAM TIATRIST KORTAT Fank: Punn ami, amchi zababdari pallinant mhunn, te kaim ugich rauleat ? Nam ! Alinch, Margao, serkarachem novem “Hall” bandhlam, taka PAI TIATRIST JOAO AGOSTINHO FERNANDES, mhunn nanv dilam. Ti “magnni” konnanchi ? Tiatristanchich. Herui lok vaurla zait. Punn tantunt tiatristancho vhodd “hath” assa. Zank: Hench mat forem tugelem.Tiatrist, Goychea Mukhel Montreak mellot aslolei, team dissani. Fank: Dusrem mhunnttlear, tuvem “paper”-ancher vachlam astelem, ki Goy Serkar, TIATR AKADEMI suru korpacho assa mhunn. Tem zalem zalear, serkar Tiatrancho,dorzo sudhraupak duddu ditolo. Ani tiatrstankui zaiteo suvidhaieo melltteleo. Zank:- Voi nhum ? Fank: Atam ti, Tiatr-Akademi konnank lagun zata ? Tuvem ani hanvem kitem tori kelam, ti “Akademi’ ghoddun haddunk ? Tovui, titristanchoch “vaur” nhuim ? Zank: Voi, hench mat sarkem tugelem. ROMI LIPIEK TITRIST VAURTA Fank: Heam dissani, tum khuicheai tiatrak voch. Tiatrist, Romi Lipi zaupak zai mhunn kantaram mhunnttat. Kaim tiatrist aple “comedy”-ntlean Romi Lipiek tenko ditat. Zalear, kaim tiatrist, “stage”-ir eun lokank Romi Lipie-voir “bhaxonnam” ditat. Tor hem soglem, te kiteak kortat ?. Aiz tancheach, hea vaurak lagun, “Goy-Vidhan-Sobhent”, Amdar / Montri utthleat, Romi Lipiek maniotai mellounk gheupak. Tor ho soglo, teanch tiatristancho “vaur” nhuim ? Dubau nam, herui Goykar , ani Sounstho, ap-aple toren hea kamank vaurtat . Pun hea kamant , Tiatristanncho mottho “hath” assa. Hem konnanchean, “nam”
[Goanet] Goa news for August 30, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Diabetes Care Program Launched In Goa - TopNews [14 hours ago] In order to bring the health care to the doorstep of the common people, the Goa government signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Novo Nordisk ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.topnews.in/diabetes-care-program-launched-goa-262875cid=1240763492ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNEN60ALwMt4_Yx-_Uc99-ET_he9QQ *** Ganpati festival: No heavy vehicles on Mumbai-Goa highway - Times of India [5 hours ago] At such times the Mumbai-Goa highway becomes overcrowded. Every year the police department makes elaborate traffic arrangements to counter the congestion on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Ganpati_festival_Cops_restrict_traffic/articleshow/3423451.cmscid=1240939406ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNHuz094GhXGszw4qLtlQki02G2JBw *** Regional Plan draft will be ready by Sept: Goa CM - Times of India [13 hours ago] PANAJI: The Regional Plan 2021 has been delayed as a process of mapping the eco sensitive zones such as cultivable areas and as envisagedby the Task Force ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Regional_Plan_draft_will_be_ready_by_Sept_Goa_CM/articleshow/3420096.cmscid=1240785673ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNEXRgbzHlK54xAquG-WQ0JHSftIMQ *** Goa Assembly \'concerned\' at beggar menace - Economic Times [31 minutes ago] The Goa legislator, who represents coastal Calangute constituency, while addressing the House on Friday said such characters do exist in the tourism belt ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Goa_Assembly_concerned_at_beggar_menace/articleshow/3423990.cmscid=1240981698ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNFpovnCQfM-bAsq9D0tAAubQC_n6g *** Catholic institutions to remain closed tomorrow in Goa - Hindu [Aug 28, 2008] Panaji (PTI): The schools run by Archidiocesan Board of Education in Goa have decided to remain close tommorow to condemn attacks on the Christian community ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200808281441.htmcid=1240623576ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNHL1wV8kLfBeIuW2xRl-i1FTN9F4w *** CM seeks details of K\'taka claim on Goa - Times of India [22 hours ago] PANAJI: Chief minister Digambar Kamat informed the Goa assembly that he has directed the state's standing counsel A Suhasini to obtain a copy of the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/CM_seeks_details_of_Ktaka_claim_on_Goa/articleshow/3419432.cmscid=1240753581ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNGWkviUgy3NA21LGXhOPzRzCRHaYA *** No official information on affidavit by Karnataka: Goa - Hindu [Aug 28, 2008] PANAJI: The Goa government on Thursday pleaded ignorance of an affidavit reportedly filed by the government of Karnataka in the Supreme Court stating, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/29/stories/2008082956061200.htmcid=1240753581ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNE0ihfcG-GJ1g_KpVrGeYiMnXcY0A *** Goa health development Bill passed - Times of India [13 hours ago] PANAJI: The Goa Health Services Development Bill, 2008 providing for the establishment of a corporation to carry out various functions including health ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_health_development_Bill_passed/articleshow/3420087.cmscid=0ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNG2kGkWIXfmVRrB3d0AIljfTylE3g *** I am entitled to free speech in House: Goa Home Minister - Times of India [13 hours ago] It may be noted that Bihar chief minister Nitish Kumar had taken exception to Naik's remarks that more beggars would arrive in Goa if a train service ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/I_am_entitled_to_free_speech_in_House_Goa_Home_Minister/articleshow/3420095.cmscid=0ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNExt-FM6rlJJy8wlYeCQywZ9cn6pA *** Goa\'s an \'old-age home\' at current growth: Industry - Economic Times [27 minutes ago] PANAJI: Goa may soon transform itself into an #152;old-age home. Stagnant economy, zero growthin job opportunities and migrating youth can make this ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/Goas_an_old-age_home_at_current_growth_Industry/articleshow/3423979.cmscid=0ei=XYa4SIiRHI_6lQS07a3YAwusg=AFQjCNFeEpLAptWLHUtSshaqY_LfhJGawg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Flotsam and jetsam from India head to Goa
Dear Goanetters and John, As per your sentence : I would love to come back to Goa, if someone will feed, clothe house me and my family. My response: I thought you had migrated to a foreign country to become rich and famous. Sadly, you speak like some migrants want phooket roti, kapda, makaan, but do not wish to work and hence beg. Your sentence: I will dedicate as much time as Rajan all the other posters but exactly where will all my blood sweat tears get me? My response : Our blood, sweat and tears for Goa and India is well-spent. TRY IT YOURSELF. At the moment Goa does not have the infrastructure to maintain all the migrants drifting into Goa. All Goans will be happy to send migrants to any Indian state, foreign country or the home of a Goanetter who wishes to house them. Afterall, it is terrible for any human being to be forced to beg on the streets of Goa. Regards, Message: 12 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:13:41 +0100 (BST) From: JOHN MONTEIRO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Flotsam and jetsam from India head to Goa We hear from various posters that we remote controllers (those not resident in Goa, but live abroad), ought to do something constructive by moving back to Goa and doing something about the issues instead of mouthing off. I would love to come back to Goa, if someone will feed, clothe house me and my family. I will dedicate as much time as Rajan all the other posters but exactly where will all my blood sweat tears get me? Will be just another one who will cry moan, complain endlessly about the past politicians, current policians grubby business men bankers, government officials who take bribes or are threatened 'all those migrants' who are the main cause of our woes. Time is not a factor here, the migrants are in Goa to stay, they cannot leave unless the local goverment pay them to go back to where they came from, and keep away from Goa, the NIMBY factor strikes again. Migrants go anywhere, but NOT IN MY BACK YARD. I have said it before, act before its too late. Its now too late to be continually moaning about the already settled migrants the new migrants now, they are in Goa to stay! Nobody has the will to do anything, other than ensure they are a vote-bank, or cheap labour for some companies, you can of course complain about it, more are arriving every day, by train bus, bull-cart leaving their mark wherever they travel. On Goanet, and by emails to various departments, I have asked, suggested, commented, even close to begging some of the posters on this forum to stand up and be counted, no matter where you are, you DONT have to be in Goa only to help Goa, anyone of any colour, creed or social rank can help, just by writing to the MLA's, emailing and bringing to attention of the National Government of India departments there, with information on mis-deeds corruption, local goverment are not doing anything to help the migrants with housing or work, they are sleeping on the pavements, on other bona-fide land belonging to other people. You can stand talk for hours on podiums in conferences, this is water off a duck's back, it does nothing but fire up the listeners, then protests gather momentum with verbal abuse, physical violence. Not at all constructive. Its far too late now to do anything at all about the inward migration, the Indians from ALL the other States have a legal right to come to Goa, or Goans to go to their State, no matter about this, just ensure that those who do come, have an ADDRESS they are staying at, no matter if its a hostel for 10 holding 40, or a house for 4 holding 20, as long as they are have an address. IF no address, then its the local police the local authority with the courts help (all to be uncorrupted..) who are the responsible for moving on any illegal settlers. Sounds easy, but it's not, so where is the blame for this? The remote controllers abroad? The residents of Goa who are legally there? Who will back you or help you? Your neighbours are the first point of call those physcially close to you, and for Rajan who has supplied us with many thousands of photos, for JoeGoaUK, for all who are currently IN Goa to contact the person next door get some groupings together, then people like Rajan who are good at talking the talk, to walk the walk. We remote controllers will do our bit, by badgering more and more, after all we cant physically be there, its frustrating for us, so please no more pilloring those who are trying to help, its dividing us, again. Unite and march forward to your destiny, its in your hands, not mine or other remote controllers in far away lands, get rid of the corruption first, not the migrants, they are legally there, the corrupt politicians are not, they fooled everyone who voted for them. And please, dont
[Goanet] Special Status for Goa. (letter to the media)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/8/29 Subject: Letter to Editor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goans should welcome the call by Mr. Mathany Saldanha, for Special Status to Goa. This is long overdue and has to be addressed immediately. I request all Goans including the NRI's to start taking necessary action, to add momentum to the same. Gram Sabhas Peoples movements across Goa should pass resolutions, demanding that the Goa Government pursues the same urgently with the Centre. With a Massive Goan Effort, I am positive that we can achieve the required Special Status for Goa. Laws and Legislations should be made for the people of the land and not vice-versa. Arwin Mesquita, UAE. -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] Why can't India develop world class athletes
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:45:32 + (GMT) From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Obviously, you have not heard of the Chinese POLITBURORO vs Indian bribery system. Secondly you do not know the difference of administration between Communism?vs belpuri bribery infused democratic system of India. Mario responds: Ed, You first said it was because Indians ate only bhelpuri and pakoras. When I pointed out that this was nonsense and not even accurate, you now say that it is bribery. However, you seem to be obsessed with blelpuris. The last time I checked, bhelpuri and pakoras are popular in every town you mentioned that you lived in, as well as in Goa. So, am I to conclude that you are a bhelpuri and pakora eater too? While communism and bribery may have something to do with sports in China and India, China was unable to produce world class athletes when they were far more communist and autocratic than they are now. Besides, there are several communist countries that are not as successful as the Chinese and Russians, whereas there several countries that are successful in world class sports that are not communist. The fact remains that an intellectual superpower like India with over a billion people, millions of whom eat a lot more than bhelpuris and pakoras, cannot routinely produce world class athletes.
Re: [Goanet] Christian Institutions to be closed all over Goa on 29th Aug - Orissa Protests
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario responds: The old and tired Nazi shibboleth is extravagant hyperbole when applied here, and the second-class citizen allegation doesn't fit either. There are still enough checks and balances in the Indian political system and its judiciary to protect most minorities, - Shibboleth? Mario, what's that? Something you drink after a sherbet? Did you know that the US was the last country to acknowledge that the Nazis were indeed committing atrocities against the Jews. They refused to help them and turned a blind eye even as refugees streamed into other European countries, desperate for help. How depraved does a country have to be, to cheer on while a young women is set on fire and left to die? What catastrophe do we have to wait for to realise that we have indeed gone over the abyss, that things aren't getting better and that we had better develop a spine and do something about these extremists. What checks and balances are you talking about in an Indian democracy? A check and a balance ensures that history does not keep repeating itself. In India, we have the same virulent episodes being repeated again and again, and they are gaining momentum. But like the US in the 1940s, do keep telling us about shibboleths. For all our sakes, I hope you are right. selma
Re: [Goanet] Kazur
Hi Roland, Thanks. Hope you find some peace. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Kazur To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 12:10 AM Sorry Santosh. No behind the ecenes. No slinking to another forum. I posted on Goanet. You or rebellious-against-Goanet crowd reply on Goanet. Regards, Roland.
Re: [Goanet] the possible libel case of Saldanha v Correia
Miguel Bab, We all know the reason of your entry on Goanet, you dont have to remind us again and again and for the rest of the issue I have 2 konkani Proverbs. Fest korta ganv ani Prisdentichem nanv.n second oneAmcho Juze Mari..dekor kantar kori.. I hope you got it..:) Voi sodanch mog assundi Eddie From: Miguel Braganza I hold no brief for Kevin and Lisette but it would be interesting to know what Eugene Correia, Roland Francis and others have to say to what Dr. Jose Colaco has placed on record. Making allegations on goanet is easy, organising an event ...even an entirely local event ... is not.And I am in full agreement with Dr. Jose Colaco's assessment of Goanet Moderators' sense of Fair Play. I have experienced it when Floriano Lobo was slandering my sister at the turn of the Millenium [It was, in fact, the reason why I subscribed to Goanet]or when Rajan Parrikar was abusing the GBA. The US Marines say, In hindsight vision is 20/20. That is not exactly the case of some compulsively myopic folks! ;-)
[Goanet] Harassment case: Probe to begin
Harassment case: Probe to begin 30 Aug 2008, 0507 hrs IST,TNN MARGAO: South Goa SP Shekhar Prabhudesai on Friday said that the police will start recording statements and collecting evidence in a case filed against the management of Manovikas school on the complaint by a student's father Elvis Almeida. Almeida had alleged that his son, studying in standard four, was systemically harassed, not only by the management, a teacher and a headmistress, but also by some parent teachers association (PTA) members. The SP also said that the police have registered a cross complaint lodged by PTA president Bryan Duarte against Almeida. Duarte has complained that Almeida threatened and intimidated him. ''We will not go for any arrest, but will probe the incident in-depth as it involves a child,'' observed Prabhudesai. Meanwhile, it is learnt that an NGO working in the field of children's rights has failed to persuade the school authorities to allow the child to attend classes even as the phase of counseling was on. It may be recalled that at an earlier meeting with education department officials it was suggested that the child should be counselled. ''We wanted to help the child because his father had approached us, but it appears we can't do much as he wants to take his own decision,'' a NGO member observed. It is learnt that Elvis has collected a school leaving certificate as he feels that his son is absolutely normal and there was a devious design to malign him and cause mental and physical torture to his son. Asked how some of the parents of the children studying in the school got involved in this case, the SP said their children must have complained against this child.
[Goanet] The outsiders
Hello Mehrotra, Remo is calling for control of ghantis coming into Goa. Goans do migrate and have migrated for centuries to other countries. But they do not p*iss and shite around like the uncontrolled ghantis. Goans have contributed universally wherever they have migrated. Take for example our dotor Jose Colaco ex Pangim Gymkhana opening batsman has done a lot in far flung Bahamas. Compare that with the coolies! You are treated as outsiders as long as your government does not solve the issue of 1961. BC Of late, over the past year or two, the calls for evicting the outsiders from Goa has become increasingly vocal. Outsiders are the reason for high land prices, crime, and everything else possible. Even for those of us who have made Goa our home, we are treated as 'outsiders' however long we may have lived here.
[Goanet] JOEUK THE ONE OF THE BEST GOANS IN THIS WORLD.
We worldwide Goans cannot forget the work of joeUk, who even he is the will of God gift to each Goans. By the Name JoeUk, first of all I really know him for many years In many years he had done so many things that not a single Goans did to us for so many years I am ten years in Oman, all the news of Beautiful Goa, Tiatr, vcd,dvd,as soon it released v get the information from only JoeUk, so many things is improve by showing the alive show of tiatr, meeting of ministers and so many thing that cant even write all but the one who the best in the world after God, JoeUk have given money to the newcomer young Children who have come on the Konkani Stage, But Some director forgot to thanks to his emails, joeUk had praise so many Actor or Konkani Tiatr Artist by writing wonderful word that can remember very deep in the heart of each Goans, but we Goan are in Worldwide n Gulf Goans when we Sleep on Money v think we are above God, like a Crab v pulling the leg of a beautiful Joeuk. O stop it you are the Dust of this 4 days world, do the will of God who even has lost something give him, Like Crab gave the Cross of St Francis Xavier back to his hand, and Forever birth Mark of the Cross on the Crab, so you too stop bad n doing bad for Other do the will of God n win the house of Salvation n not to the world. This was very Pain deep to my Heart when I see what is wrong? V luv JoeUk, Viva JoeUk Viva Goa God bless you’ll Save Goans give Good Word for Goans. Yours Fellow Goan Stephen de Divar Muscat
[Goanet] GHANTII
Dear Gabriel, It is true that Goa was crime free during Portuguese rule. But racism under them was much more severe than the British! The state was much more oppressive. I find that centuries of Portuguese repression, or rather slavery, should i list: Take the Goan catholic names for example: When did Da Costa, De Cunha, Fernandes or Quatros become more christian than Goan family name like Kakodkar, Shirodkar, Poi or Prabhu? So, Govan Catholicism was not just religious conversions. They destroyed your ancestry and implanted Portuguese ancestry on you. Let me put forth a simple observation, in poor taste, though. It may be relative, because it is in the eye of the beholder. Note that Mangalorean Catholics migrated to the Canara from Goa in the 17th and 18th century. They have not assimilated into the local population, though they live harmoniously with the locals. They have their religion intact, Go to masses on Sundays and other festive days etc. They have preserved their Konkani language, publications, music and Theater. I find Manglorean Catholic girls and women quite attractive, whereas I find Goan catholics distinctively ugly in general. I feel It is due to 450 years of Portuguese slavery. Now one may be politically correct and accuse me of bias. But I feel the Mangalorean catholics had more freedom for generations and it shows on their faces!
[Goanet] Community Radio: Sajan Venniyoor’s v iews
Community Radio: Sajan Venniyoor's views Sajan Venniyoor has been a professional broadcaster with India's state-run All India Radio (and Doordarshan TV) for over a decade and a half. In the recent past, he turned his attention to the potential of community radio, and has also been moderator and resource-person for the SolutionExchange, a UN ICT for Development initiative in India. The video of Sajan outlining where community radio in India stands today, can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9bSzSxP7z0 Some of you might know Sajan from his days as a PX (programme executive at the All India Radio-Goa) Rgds, FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn
[Goanet] It is just not so!
Notes of Chapt 4: Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now read the facts by GJ False statements of DB in the 'Da Vinci Code' 1. Jesus' Divinity is the result of a close vote of the bishops. (pg 233) 2. The early Church hijacked Jesus' message and shrouded it with Divinity. (pg 233) 3. Jesus is simply a mortal prophet ... a great and powerful man, but mortal nonetheless (pg 233). Jesus' Divinity is not a result of a vote by the bishops with or without the urging of Emperor Constantine. Jesus' Divinity, as believed by the church, stems from the writings in the Bible with a quote by apostle Peter himself, You are Christ ... Messiah, the actual son of God. This is one of many references in the Gospels on this topic. As per DB, the original disciples of Jesus were a group of gnostics, not the well-known disciples who are generally recognized and who wrote the Gospels and other books in the New Testament. Who are gnostics? These are individuals who believe every Christian is a christ and thus every Christian is divine. According to DB, the gnostic gospels predate the New Testament. In these gnostic gospels, Jesus is portrayed as a spiritual man, with no mention of his death, resurrection or divinity (mediator between God the creator and sinful humanity). More analysis of gnostic beliefs follow in subsequent chapters. GJ takes a look at the time line: The earliest Christian writings are of Paul a contemporary of Jesus and written in 48AD - 60AD. Paul was originally a very anti-Christian Jewish Rabbi. He converted to Christianity, and then preached for Christ. Later he was executed for his faith. Paul's writings are a major component of the New Testament. Paul did not highjack Jesus' nature from the original gnostic disciples as DB suggest. Paul formed his own opinion of Jesus. None of Paul's writings refer to original gnostic believers. Gnostics (group) and their writings as being contemporaneous with Christ is fiction not substantiated or referenced in any of the contemporary writings of the period (40-100 AD). Paul mentions the names of the disciples as eyewitnesses to Jesus whom he met on several occasions. Paul refers in many of his writings to the Divinity of Jesus, thus negating that the concept of Jesus' Divinity was a latter invention (fourth century). New Testament books were written by contemporaries of Jesus - Peter, James, John, Mathew. Jesus lived from 7–2 BCE to 26–33 AD. A few were written by those who knew these contemporaries. These authors, other disciples (including Thomas in India) and others died for their belief (Divinity of Jesus) and not for a high jacked message. Hence DB's assertion is flat wrong that Jesus was not considered Divine till 325 AD. This is when the Council of Nicaea met to re-affirm (not to create) the Divinity of Christ. GJ documents a long list (eleven quotes) of writings from several religious authors written between 100 AD to 305 AD about the Divinity of Jesus. The gnostic concept of Jesus (just another human being) was created in 318 AD by a person from Egypt called Arius. His followers were called Arians. Likely this message fitted well with the concept in Egyptian culture that the Pharaoh goes on to join God after death; but is born as an ordinary human. The vote in Nicaea re-confirming the Divinity of Jesus was 316 to 2; (not a close vote) which ended the confusion perpetrated by the Arians. The apostles, the persecuted Church (of the first 300 years) the Nicaea bishops did to meet to revise the beliefs (as DB suggest) but to reaffirm, unify and consolidate their beliefs, in a universally accepted Christian prayer called The Creed. Regards, GL
[Goanet] Killed Bills: Session leaves Parrikar dejected
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Killed_Bills_Session_leaves_Parrikar_dejected/rssarticleshow/3424139.cms Killed Bills: Session leaves Parrikar dejected 30 Aug 2008, 0504 hrs IST,TNN PANAJI: Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar's efforts to repeal the amendments to Section 16 of the Town and Country Planning Act through his private members' bill was defeated by 22 votes to 14. Parrikar's three other private members' bills, put for consideration and passing in the House on Friday, were either withdrawn or rejected. Speaking on his Goa Town and Country Planning (Repeal of Amendment Act No 10 of 2008), Parrikar said that 'government projects', which are beyond the purview of the regional plan through the controversial amendments, are not clearly defined. Describing this as dangerous, he said that private-public projects will also be able to escape scrutiny of the regional plan prohibitions. Further, BJP legislator, Francis D'Souza suggested that government projects should be recorded under the regional plan. The chief minister however countered that it is not possible to forecast legislators' requirements in terms of projects like police stations, fire stations, school buildings, etc. The Oppositon leader also accused the chief minister of signing a file approving the transfer of government acquired land at Candolim to its original owner. Parrikar's Goa Public Gambling (Amendment) Bill, 2008, also failed to go through. The object of the Bill was to confine offshore casinos to sea, five nautical miles away from the Goan coastline. The Bill also proposed to restrict offshore casinos to maritime vessels with the total exclusion of inland vessels. Home minister Ravi Naik explained that the government has been drafting amendments to the law and was in the process of gathering information on casino operations. Naik admitted that the government was unaware neither of the revenue earned by casinos nor other operational details. He said that government control over casinos needs to be stricter. Parrikar urged Naik to issue an executive order defining offshore as, falling beyond 5 nautical miles from the coastline and told him not to issue any licenses till his rules were framed. Parrikar said, We will not allow 5 casinos on the Mandovi river regardless of what action you take. The Bill was however defeated after it was put to the vote of the House. Parrikar's 2 other private members bills: the Goa Ban on Immersion of Plaster of Paris Idols Bill, 2008 and the Goa Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill, 2008 were pulled out. The amendment to the last named bill sought to insert the following clause: In the case of a woman candidate for election to the office of sarpanch and deputy sarpanch reserved for women candidates, the nominations shall be by self and there shall be no requirement for proposer or seconder.
