Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 15, Issue 501

[Albert Desouza]

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Today's Topics:

   1. [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Paws (Rajan Parrikar)
   2. Bible verse for the Day (Devak Argham)
   3. THESE EXTRAORDINARY TIMES REQUIRED EXTRAORDINARY WAYS TO KEEP
  THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE GOING (Aires Rodrigues)
   4. Cypriano lopes remembered (Nelson Lopes)
   5. Of barking dogs and Reading Observations With Example From
  Tanzania (E DeSousa)
   6. Savita's kiosk or gaddo (Antonio Menezes)
   7. What does Joao want to say? (Joao Barros-Pereira)
   8. Konkani language and education ... lecture series
  (Frederick Noronha)
   9. Re: Fandom and Cancel Culture (Anish Esteves) (Anish Esteves)


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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:06:25 +
From: Rajan Parrikar 
To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Paws
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Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'Paws'

Primal.

Seen last week at Laki, Highlands of Iceland.


You may view the latest post at

https://blog.parrikar.com/2020/07/19/paws/


Warm regards,

Rajan Parrikar
parri...@yahoo.com


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:21:51 +0530
From: Devak Argham 
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Subject: [Goanet] Bible verse for the Day
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B.I.B.L.E. - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth



John 13:34-35
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34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so
you also should love one another.


35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love
for one another.?


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 05:44:22 +0530
From: Aires Rodrigues 
To: goanet 
Subject: [Goanet] THESE EXTRAORDINARY TIMES REQUIRED EXTRAORDINARY
WAYS TO KEEP THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE GOING
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As the working of the Courts is now very restricted, to save the taxpayers
from an unnecessary financial burden all further appointment of new Judges
at all levels must be kept on hold for now as a cash strapped government
cannot afford to he hosting idling Judges.

The Judiciary is the common man?s last hope for Justice. But it has failed
to deliver in these critical days while the pandemic rages.  Dispensation
of justice is an absolute essential service which has to be provided
uninterrupted.

Video-conferencing may be a good concept, but was it proper for the Courts
to have suddenly invoked it without the proper infrastructure in place. It
may not have been right to hurriedly introduce a system without proper
planning, training and effective awareness for all participants.

With already such a huge pile up of cases, the current extended limited
working of Courts is a matter of concern. The working of the Judiciary has
practically come to a grinding halt with only urgent cases being heard. As
every litigant knows the urgency in his case, there is no excuse why Courts
cannot fully function while observing the health and safety protocols.

The wheels of justice were already turning slowly before the pandemic and
should not have been allowed to grind to a halt. People expect and demand
justice in a timely and honest way. Every Court after taking all the
required precautions in the current circumstances could have heard a fixed
number of cases a day. The fountains of justice must keep flowing. Justice
delayed is Justice denied and this is impermissible. Justice must be timely
or not at all.



Aires Rodrigues

Advocate High Court

C/G-2, Shopping Complex

Ribandar Retreat,

Ribandar ? Goa ? 403006

Mobile No: 9822684372

Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012

Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com

 Or

   airesrodrig...@yahoo.com

You can also reach me on

Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues

Twitter@rodrigues_aires


www.airesrodrigues.com


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:24:17 +0530
From: Nelson Lopes 
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Cypriano lopes remembered
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet at 18 years

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters,

Happy to know that Goanet has completed 18 years. It is very unfortunate 
that i have been cut off from the list of goanet and inspite of writing to 
you several letters no one seemo ts to be interested to do the needful. It 
is a easy process. Just unscribe and then after few days subscribe as a new 
member. I know for certain that there are some members who were behind 
deleting my name as they did not want to read my writings. any way no love 
lost


albert de souza
alizadeso...@hotmail.com

Re: [Goanet] Wanted: tiatr scripts...

[Albert Desouza]

Dear friend
If some one wants the same tiatr Mummy maka vengent dor I have a few 
copies of the book which he can take .The book is just Rs.50 / per copy.


albert


 From: f...@goa-india.org

 A friend whom I recently re-met recently from .Ca was enquiring about the
 availability of tiatr scripts in Goa. Are any available? I do know 
that the

 Tiatr Academy here, for instance, recently released the script of my good
 neighbour Albert D'Souza's *Mummy, Mhaka Tujea Vegin Dhor* in the 
form of a

 very reasonably-priced book/let.
 
http://www.archive.org/details/ThreeTiatrkonkaniTheatreBooksReleasedInGoaIndia

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Re: [Goanet] Photos from Goa... Goanetters Meet 2011

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters

I got enrolled with the goanetters since its inception and had no 
difficulty getting regular mails. Only when Fridrick Noronha took over 
the problem started and my mails stopped.I find no reason for this . Ok 
if the major domo does not want me to get mails I will not grumble and I 
will not complain either. This is the reason I did not attend the get 
together for I felt I was not wanted. I cannot understand why people 
cannot do the needful for over one and half years that I am complaining. 
When we have so much technology and when I get 200 mails everyday except 
this one I find no reason to check my system.

Albert de Souza



: fredericknoron...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:55:26 +0530


 Dear all: Photos from the 2011 Jan Goanetters meet held yesterday:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157628713210405/

 Among those a careful eye could spot here are:
 the


 Savio Abreu
 Albertina Almeida
 Silvia Braganca
 Manuel Caldeira
 Tony Correa-Afonso
 Aldrin Costa
 Flora Almeida Marlow
 Mr  Mrs Castellino
 Tina Costa
 Fr Desmond de Souza
 Dan Driscoll
 Pamela D'Mello
 Dan Driscoll
 Eduardo Faleiro
 Victor Ferrao
 Anibel Ferrus-Comelo
 Jason Keith Fernandes
 Ana-Maria Goswami
 Jeanne Hromnik
 Pramod Kale
 Amita Kanekar
 Luisa Fernandes
 Fiona Marlow
 Mr Marlow
 Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes
 Oscar Monteiro
 Sujata Noronha
 August Pinto
 Tony de Sa
 Elaine Seabird
 António Sobrinho

 A few names might be missed due to oversight, please correct! FN
 --
 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
 Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books
 Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings
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[Goanet] Goanett

[Albert Desouza]

If I am still a member of goanett I am not getting any mail. Why is the person 
incharge of goanett is not taking trouble of sending the mail to me ? I cannot 
understand as to why I am deprived of these mails. From the time this goanett 
started I have been getting mails regularly and only when Fredrick Noronha took 
over my mails stopped. I feel this is done on purpose or else what could be the 
reason for not getting the mails over last six months. If they do not want me 
to be a member please write to me . I will not bother to know about 
goanett.Albert de Souza alizadeso...@hotmail.com


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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters. While the Bible teaches us one thing we are given another type 
of religion and hope God will save us when we go to Him. I wonder what God will 
do with those who have forcebly given us alternate gods leaving the almighty 
God the Father of Jesus without glory and worship. Exodus chapter 20 verse 4 
clearly teaches us that God the father is the Almighty God and we cannot make 
any other gods before Him. I request each and every goa netter who wishes to 
read to go through this passage. Is the Roman Catholic Church believes that God 
the Father is the only God and that we have no other gods before him ? If this 
commandment that was given to Moses by the Almighty Lord is not observed and 
respected than we may not see God at all.We might say then woe to us wished we 
were not born as human beings. what is the use of our religion if we cannot 
reach Heaven the place all desire to be ! Could some one tell me if Rosary is a 
prayer and if statues forms a part of our religio
 n. If ours is the true religion and founded by Christ through his sacrifice 
then we should do away with the statues of all kind as Lord does not like it. 
Read the bible feel the power of the holy spirit and do not recite insipid 
prayers. Hope the holy Spirit enlighten all those whose brains have become 
coroded with paganism. albert

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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

De.ar GoanettersGod created each one of us with his infinite love. God loves 
you and me irrespective of what we are .We often use other gods to make favours 
with the Almighty God our Father and think we are justified with all our 
rituals .We give this excuse and that excuse for our methods that we have 
adopted for our prayers and we often condem other religious believers like how 
the Jews did. Our priests often critise the believers and make fun of them but 
what will we use at the time of our judgement ? can we give testimony of rosary 
to God and say we have this weapon of salvation ? think and let me know . 
albert de souza   

[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goan netters
God dwells in you and He has made your body His temple. He is the power, the 
creator and love. We cannot achieve any better legacy but God's relationship 
with you that makes us really divine people of God. He has given us a simple 
formula to be happy in this world and in the next world too. If one does not 
know what happiness is he or she will not reliquinish the taste of happiness in 
the next world. Be happy in this world and be happy with what you have and not 
try to possesses the same like your neighbours. The unhappiness in this world 
is not God made one but man made one. Though our needs are not that many our 
pride has brought us the downfall. Many build mansions without haaGod has 
actually given us simple living. Just love God and just love your fellow man. 
Mary the mother of Jesus whom we call  Saibin Maim has just done that. While on 
one side we sing loud Pau maie the other side we do not show any concern for 
others .Mary was full of concern for others. While our parents  are dying 
hopelessly in the home for the aged we are shouting hossana in the church. Qui 
bono for whose good are we doing all these ? While people are visiting Mary's 
s, rines all over the globe our divorce files , police files and even court 
files keep on increasing and most of the cases are one brother fighting against 
the other. One human being is trying to kill other human beings and both are 
created by the same Father. Today our religion is giving us just a title. Our 
churches should be called church pvt ltd because going to church has no meaning 
on our life . we go just to show others that we belong to that church and many 
times give donations just because we want our names to re called out .Holiness 
is what God has to give you . Mother Theresa just loved God through human 
beings and God has made her great. No need to make her a saint she was already 
one. Albert de souza 
  

Re: [Goanet] Congress on the defensive

[Albert Desouza]

Dear sir
In the past all the letters appearing under goanet were put under one file 
downloading this one file and scrolling down for various letters was easy, 
today each letter comes as one file and i have not less than 100 letters on my 
internet and opo tening each takes a long time. could the incharge person do 
the needful ? put all the letters in one file

albert de souza



 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 23:18:26 +0530
 From: nellope...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Congress on the defensive
 
 Congress on the defehnsive
 The latest report of CAG on Sheila Dixit has been very damaging for
 the COngress health opShe has decided to brazen it  out at all costs The
 image of the congress party has taken a beating on double standards
 The Congress spokespersons are bending over heels to state that it is
 different matter That the CAG is not final and it has to go the
 parliament and FIR can be filled later, before starting the process of
 investigations This is the due process of law to be followed and the
 C.M. of Delhi has no reason to step down The lokayukta of Karnataka
 has indicted Yedurappa and hence the Congress was baying for his blood
 The BJP obliged the congress to ward of the scathing attack by the UPA
 II to dampen their outbursts. We find that Raja , Kalmadi not only
 resigned but are in jail  due to filing of FIR and starting of
 investigations Maran had to resign after the CBI found that there  is
 sufficient evidence against him  The people are asking why the
 investigation cannot be started against Sheila Dixitt after filing the
 FIR It appears the law is not equal when it comes to the Congress
 incumbents and there is a massive cover up and divergence of views
 expressed laboriously and evasively by congress  functionaries
 Not only on moral grounds but massive evidence by the CAG must make
 Sheila Dixit put in the papers ,otherwise it will provide the fodder
 to  the mill of BJP.WE have sen that the principal parties are bent on
 scoring brownie points by installing the functioning of the Parliament
 Day in and out Congress and BJP are bent on showmanship of each ones
 superiority The nation is watching in disgust the fights between the
 two to no end
 When the BJP is taking about the price rise and its effect on people
 or aam admi,, did they for a while think of the people they are
 representing ,when they accepted the Rs80,000 increase in their tax
 free emoluments ,besides other mind boggling perks and pensions  ?Is
 such increase justified according to the standard of living of people
 they represent ? It is all hypocrisy and deceit in the name of aam
 admi,, which is a cliche of convenience to fool the people with this
 propagated myth Congress and BJP are both guilty of corruption during
 the period of their governance and Indians at large have little to
 gain by these bullfights in the political arena Indians are passive
 spectators to these sordid dramas
 Thanks to the media, which increasingly is highlighting the massive
 scandals, which the common people cannot fathom meaningfully the
 bottom of these pits Hopes were raised by Ana Hazare ,but they have
 cleverly sidelined his efforts by the supremacy of Parliament
 Nelson Lopes Chinchinim 9850926276
  

Re: [Goanet] Manohar Parrikar

[Albert Desouza]

My elder daughter studied in English medium school and did well at the college 
level. She could read and understand the concept of the chapter which was 
taught to her. She stood second at the BCom examination. My second daughter 
studied in Konkani medium and though she was quite smart till today she cannot 
frame sentences and translates konkani into English and that becomes konklish. 
She herself feels that she is a backward class of society. Manohar Parrikar is 
not a king of Goa and so too Shashikala Kakodkar that they know what is best 
for our children. The parents who gave birth to those children know the best 
what is good for their kids. Whose  is scratiching if English is taught to 
the children ? We are in a democratic India where each one of us is free to do 
what he wants provided that he does not tamper into the happiness of others. 
Those who adore Parrikar and Kakodkar can send their children for Marathi , no 
harm let my child study English does it bother anyone if my child studies in 
English medium school ? Many of the leaders one time tried to convince the 
hindus that Marathi is the religious language of the Hindus. All the hindus 
believed it to be true. What is the outcome of this believe ? We added marathi 
tai to konkani tai . Who benefited ? The Maharastrians from the border paid 
huge sum and got most of the Government jobs. Today we find Goans irrespective 
of their religion wiping the shoes of Maharatrians while some of the leaders 
even though they were not elected managed to get ministers post through back 
door.We became fools in our own land. Parrikar is not interested in Goa. His 
both sons are abroad and when he makes enough money he may also jump the border 
and say good bye to goans and we will be left behind to suck our own toes. 

 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:06:55 +0530
 From: melvyn.fer...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org; 
 goenchimxapo...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Goanet] Manohar Parrikar
 
 Please get your facts right everyone. Manohar Parrikar studied in Marathi
 till secondary education and went on to join the country's premier
 university.
 
 His children did their primary schooling in Marathi and are doing well in
 their fields.
 
 
 
 He is supporting local languages for the reason that they help in building
 the fundamentals of the child that helps in further education.
 
 
 
 He is still Goa's best CM ever considering the administrative efficiency,
 dedication and commitment he showed in his short-lived tenure. People brag
 about communalism but conveniently ignore the good things he did such as
 building infrastructure for St. Xavier's feast or IFFI. This tag of
 communalism should not be applied to BJP in Goa.
 
 
 
 Please do not ignore that there are fan clubs on Orkut and Facebook for
 Parrikar, but not any other past CM and understandably none of the current
 CM. The members are educated Goan youth who are not fools but people who see
 hope unlike internet warriors who only know to type long criticising emails
 in online forums and cannot differentiate between bad and better.
 
 
 
 It is time Goans unite and vote in favour of administration for a better
 future.
 
 
 
 Melvyn Ferrao
 
 Agacaim
  

Re: [Goanet] Konkani shikleat tankam - by Madhvi and Samir

[Albert Desouza]

Shame on those leaders who have their own Englsh medium schools and are 
fighting against having English as medium of instructions .I always admired 
Arvind Batikar who used to speak against the governent policies on Prudent 
media but did not know that he was a man with double standards. 
Albert

 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:57:27 -0700
 From: chimbel...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Konkani shikleat tankam - by Madhvi and Samir
 
 Konkani shikleat tankam.
 
 
 Goeantlea palkancho ek pongodd mullavea English shikshonnapasot Sorkaralagim 
 onudan magta.
 
 Ek porki bhas mannkuleancha talleant chondpa sarki dusri onorthachi gozal na. 
 English bhashechem mhotv konn nhoikarina ani amchea bhurgeank English bes 
 bori ieunk zai hatunt dubav na. Oshem aslem tori bhurgeank kolltta te bhashen 
 shikshonnache poile patth maibhashent diunk jai. Akhea sounsaran ho sidhant 
 mandla.
 
 Konkanintlean zamnni mullavem shikop ghetlam tanchem bes borem cholona oso ek 
 op-somoz patllavop cho'lam. Hea op-somozacho bomaddo foddunk zai.
 
 Ami zaitea zannamni mullavem shikop Konkanintlean ghetlam ani rashtrik tech
 bhashen ontor-rashttrik panvddea voilea unchelea shikshonnik mollar, toshem
 vevsayant zoit zoddlam
 
 Zamnni konnem Konknnintlean shiikshonn ghetlam, tancho rabito khoyui asum,
 tanche lagim ami khala sanglea ti mhaiti magtat.
 
 Nanv: Namo: Tumi khoim shikop ghetlam ?
 
 Konkani kitle meren shikleat? Tumi sodeak kitem kortat?
 
 Hea namear fottvasoit mhaiti dhaddat.
 
 Dr. Madhvi Sardessai, Saldel Apatmenmts, Pajifond, Margao 403601.
 
 email: konkani_...@yahoo.com
 
 Bhurgim apli bhas shiklear sonvsarantle sortint shennttolim hea bhoyan
 mukhavoilea pillgeanchea sorjonshil ( creative ) kortubak ami addmellim
 haddchenant hachi chotrai ballguya.
 
 Dr. Madhvi Sardessai
 Associate Professor
 Goa University
 
 Dr. Samir Kelekar
 I T Professional
 Bengaluru.
  

Re: [Goanet] Disappointing Manohar Parrikar

[Albert Desouza]

I am also dissappointed wit h Parrikar. I really admired him and thought he had 
brains. While on one side he has educated his children abroad in English he 
does not mind if our children get low paid job for lack of knowledge and skill 
in English. selfish fellows. Karmali is enjoying pension for not doing anywork 
and so feels obliged to fight for the people who got him the title freedom 
fighter .

 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:32:34 +0400
 From: arwinmesqu...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Disappointing Manohar Parrikar
 
 I am extremely disappointed with Manohar Parrikar's association with BBSM,
 for the recent Bandh on 6th June 11. I had some respect for Parrikar with
 regards to his high administrative/governing capabilities, when compared to
 many other tainted and extremely corrupt MLA's who are Smugglers, Pimps,
 Drug Lords, Land Sharks etc. But I am shocked that he aligned with the
 Shashikala's Group; who were not only known historically for being against
 Goa retaining its separate identity, but also who made communal/unfair
 statements. Also is the BBSM fight for Konkani or is it actually for
 Marathi? Why are there over whelming more Marathi Aided Government Schools
 in Goa today vs. Konkani, if Konkani is the official language of Goa? I
 would have had some understanding if Manohar, BBSM, UGDP and other
 hypocritical Konkani supporters were fighting for the exclusivity of
 Konkani, but this does not appear to be the case!! There are issues which
 are more serious in Goa today e.g. mining which is devastating Goa, Mega
 Project Menace, Crime, Severe Regional Plan in-consistencies, Demand for
 Special Status, Goa slowly going from the hands of Goans etc. Why can't
 Manohar Parrikar and the BJP protest with the similar enthusiasm more wisely
 against these more critial issues?  If he did the latter then I am sure that
 many Goans would have stood with him and respected him.
 
 Arwin Mesquita, UAE
 
 
 
 Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
 
 Please also see below:
 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/
 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/
 3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
 4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO:
 http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html
 5. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook:
 http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686
 6. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/
  

Re: [Goanet] How was your travel?

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Cecil
Sorry to read about your trouble while travelling. Such incidents take place 
more with us goans as we are sucegad people. I had bought a IFB washing machine 
two years warranty. The first year there was no problem. The warranty period 
was to end on 22 nd July. There was some problem with the timer and the 
mechanic was called somewhere on the 17th of July. He looked into the matter 
and while I was looking the other side fixed the timer with a thread and made 
it work for few days. When the warranty period was over my problems started 
again and this time the mechanic told me that I had to replace the timer.I took 
the matter with the consumer redressal forum and won the case. I got a new 
washing machine. Mind you this case of mine was published in details in all the 
leading newspapers of Goa. The company too learnt a lesson that it could  not 
fool all people at all times. The new washing machine has served me for more 
than 10 to 12 years without a single problem and it will carry on for another 
six to seven years more. Cecil you should have taken the bus operators to 
consumers' forum and got your compensation .You can still do it. 
albert 

 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:22 +0530
 From: cecilpi...@gmail.comt 
 On 15th May morning one Riyaz Naik of Naik Travels phoned to inform me
 that the Diana Naik Travels bus I had chosen had broken down and they
 were now going to accommodate me in a AC-Luxury bus. I was very happy
 at this fortunate turn of events. Naik then informed me that I would
 have to pay Rs. 400/- extra per seat as AC-Luxury seats cost Rs.
 1,200/- each. I explained to Naik that I did not have such a budget
 and would be quite happy to be accommodated in a non-AC non-Luxury bus
 and I didn't intend to pay any more money than I already had. It was
 after all not my fault that his bus had broken down and it was his
 responsibility to make alternate arrangements.
 
 After a lot of discussion he asked me what my final budget was and I
 agreed to go up to a maximum of Rs. 900/- per seat but nothing more.
 He agreed to this and gave me the AC bus name (Modern Mercedes Benz )
 and departure point and time.
 
 At 8 pm when the bus arrived near St. Xavier's College the person in
 charge, a polite young man named Diago, asked me to pay Rs. 900/-
 instead of the Rs. 400/- I had agreed to. I explained to Diago that
 there was some misunderstanding. He showed me a slip of paper on which
 it was mentioned that he had to collect Rs. 900/- from me. I asked to
 speak to Naik and he dialed the number for me.
 
 Riyaz Naik said that I had agreed to Rs. 900/-. I explained to him
 that I had agreed to Rs. 400/- (ie Rs. 900/- each as opposed to the
 earlier Rs. 800/-). He claimed that I had agreed to a total of extra
 Rs. 900/-. I thought maybe it was a communication problem as he was
 speaking Hindi and me English but I explained to him that I could not
 afford the additional Rs. 500/-. He got very abusive on the phone and
 told me in that case to cancel my ticket and take a refund. This he
 tells me at 8.10 pm with my baggage and family about to the board the
 bus.
 
 Because of the situation I had no alternative but to be bullied into
 paying the additional Rs. 900/- (Rs. 400/- agreed upon plus and
 additional Rs. 500/-) so I could board the bus.
 
 On boarding the bus we were in for yet another disappointment. Our
 seat numbers 17,18, 19 and 20 turned out to be the second last row of
 the bus and not in the middle as had been shown on the original bus
 plan. I checked and found that the first few rows on this AC-Luxury
 bus had numbering A, B, C etc til midway from the front and then 1,2,
 3 etc started from there onwards.
 
 Now before I drag you RedBus, Naik Travels and Riyaz Naik to Consumer
 Court I would like to give you an opportunity to answer a few
 questions.
 
 1) It is standard practice worldwide in the travel business that if
 there is a breakdown equal or better arrangements are made for
 passengers at the cost of the travel agency. Why was I asked to bear
 the additional costs?
 
 2) I have also asked around and found that this is a common ploy
 specially during holiday season. Bookings are taken in a non-AC bus
 and then some story invented about a breakdown and passengers are
 forced to pay the difference for a better bus. Naik Travels is
 particularly famous for this con game. How many non-AC buses mentioned
 in your website actually ply?
 
 3) Why is the seat numbering system on your website different from the
 seat numbering system in the Luxury AC buses? Does this not amount to
 cheating too?
 
 4) Your website, the ticket and all communication is in English. Why
 then do I have to deal with a Riyaz Naik who refuses to talk in
 English and makes his convoluted lies out to be a
 language/communication problem?
 
 If I don't get satisfactory replies to my questions within three days
 I am taking my case to Consumer Court to seek compensation not just
 for my expenses but 

Re: [Goanet] How was your travel?/Travel experience.

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
I used to travel by kadamba bus whenever I used to go to Bangalore. The seats 
were equally very bad and sometimes did not move when I wanted it in a recline 
position. Once on my way to Goa suddenly the bus tyre got punctured. There was 
no spare typre and so the conductor went to get the tyre repaired and we had to 
sit in the dark and sing. The bus proceeded and then suddenly the driver found 
out that the suspension had given way and so they stopped the bus and tied the 
suspensors to a rope.Then I started to use the sleeper buses. Sea Bird VRL 
logistics were nice buses to look at. The other day that is on 3rd of May I 
along with my family and one month old grandson made a trip in sea bird from 
bangalore to Goa. Hardly the bus left Majestic then the tyre exploded .At the 
repair shop they found that the tube was completely out with its intestines 
into pieces.Then the problem of removing the spare tyre. I think the tyre was 
never removed for years and everything was jammed.The driver, the conductor and 
most of the male  passengers tried to help the driver to remove the spare tyre 
which we did by breaking the tin part of the bus and the bus moved on. The next 
day just before we reached ankola we noticed smoke coming out from the rear 
tyres.The smoke was put off and we reached ankola to find that the brake linner 
of the bus was worn out and had to be replaced and so we had to sit at ankola 
restuarant for nearly one hour till the linner was replaced and then we reached 
panjim at four in the evening.Albert

 To: cecilpi...@gmail.com
 From: m_pere...@qp.com.qa
 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:13:16 +0300
 CC: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] How was your travel?/Travel experience.
 
 Cecil,
 To my experience this is not a new thing travelling by buses from GOA to 
 BOMBAY or BOMBAY to GOA.
 If you are frequently travelling you will catch them that moment but they 
 always tell the passengers last moment.
 Every time we heard this they say bus is broken down and send the people 
 to different buses and gives what ever unwanted seats and sell the good 
 seats to new customers.
  You have good idea put them in justice.
 Regards,
 Mario Vicente Santos Pereira,
 Email:  m_pere...@qp.com.qa
 *
 Message: 4
 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:22 +0530
 From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 
 Now before I drag you RedBus, Naik Travels and Riyaz Naik to Consumer
 Court I would like to give you an opportunity to answer a few
 questions.
 
 1) It is standard practice worldwide in the travel business that if
 there is a breakdown equal or better arrangements are made for
 passengers at the cost of the travel agency. Why was I asked to bear
 the additional costs?
 
 2) I have also asked around and found that this is a common ploy
 specially during holiday season. Bookings are taken in a non-AC bus
 and then some story invented about a breakdown and passengers are
 forced to pay the difference for a better bus. Naik Travels is
 particularly famous for this con game. How many non-AC buses mentioned
 in your website actually ply?
 
 3) Why is the seat numbering system on your website different from the
 seat numbering system in the Luxury AC buses? Does this not amount to
 cheating too?
 
 4) Your website, the ticket and all communication is in English. Why
 then do I have to deal with a Riyaz Naik who refuses to talk in
 English and makes his convoluted lies out to be a
 language/communication problem?
 
 If I don't get satisfactory replies to my questions within three days
 I am taking my case to Consumer Court to seek compensation not just
 for my expenses but also penalties for cheating.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cecil
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Cure for Cancer?

[Albert Desouza]

Whether the church accepts a miracle or not everyday a miracle takes place in 
each and every one's life. If we are closer to Jesus and ofcourse God the 
Father we are encircled with miracles every day.i am fifty nine and the biggest 
miracle in my life is that God kept me healthy for fifty nine years without any 
trouble. i am a middle class citizen having four c hildren and yet I could 
manage to bring them up and give them education and make them happy too. All 
these was possible because of His hand over me. Albert 
 Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 06:28:16 -0400
 From: cola...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cure for Cancer?
 
  icso...@bsnl.in wrote:  MOST of the times, it CAN be a remission. A
 remission is not a cure. The Church does not accept miracles of cancer
 because it is RISKY to say that a cancer patient was cured... I think
 it is NOT a question of English, but of medical terminology, which
 respects the facts...
 
 
 COMMENT: I will not comment on Ivo's statement wrt the Church's
 position on miracles or wrt Remission v Cure. I certainly do not know
 enough about the Church's position on Miracles and Ivo does not have a
 clue of medicine - despite his visits to to Post Office.
 
 However, I do believe that it IS a question of ENGLISH as far as Ivo
 is concerned. He has demonstrated that he is either incapable or
 unwilling to understand the difference between (a) ALL cancers are
 curable and (b) Cancer is curable esp. Some Cancers have been cured.
 
 Ivo probably belongs to the school of thought which believes that a
 person did not live because he eventually died at the age of 99.
 
 It appears that couple of chaps presently living in Goa are in urgent
 need of courses in English Comprehension. They either serially and
 stubbornly misquote or shamelessly misrepresent the facts.
 
 It would be cheaper IF they attended a prolonged Retreat
 before they spouted nonsense again.
 
 That would, at least, result in a Remission.
 
 jc
  

Re: [Goanet] John Paul II - Blessed or Cursed?

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersDid God really make saints and give power to the church to 
cannonise humans as saints then why only foreigner becomes saints ? albert 

 From: roland.fran...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:39:11 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] John Paul II - Blessed or Cursed?
 
 In a hypothetical situation in which my critics found themselves closely
 related to one of the thousands of boys abused and molested by a deviant
 priest, here is what they would have said, based on their posts:
 
 R Fernandes of Gulf International Promotions: All I am saying is that we
 should not ridicule our religion (for beatifying someone who protected the
 abuser). 
 My comment: For the record I did not abuse any religion - I just bemoaned
 the action of beatifying JP II on account of his cover-up.
 
 Elvino Rodrigues: People who are criticizing the protectors of the abuse
 are all former Catholics who have converted to another sect. Let us ignore
 them.
 
 Joseph Fernandes: Saul of Tarsus (later St Paul) was also a great sinner.
 Who knows whether he may have also committed such a heinous crime against
 young men. But remember he was canonized. So why not John Paul II.
 
 Lino Dourado: Let us not look at the negative side of the situation. The
 priest in question is a great educator and is responsible for my young
 relative getting a first class in the SSC. So what if he abused him?
 
 And the cake goes to our Goanet Socrates Dr JC who in his paragraph (f) made
 the following famous comment: There are many others in need of attention.
 Words taken probably from the very mouth of the Cardinal in the Times
 article who is reported to have abused 2000 boys and who must have said
 those words after abusing the first 1000 boys, finding he had 1000 more to
 pay attention to
 
 OK JC before you fly off the handle I have in jest misquoted you. But only
 because it is appropriate. 
 For the record, JC meant he supported JP II's beatification but that other
 candidates are equally deserving
 
 Roland
 Toronto.
  
 
 R Fernandes wrote:
 All I am saying is that we should NOT ridicule our Religion or The head of
 our Religion on a public forum. It will only provide fuel for the Atheists,
 non-church-goers and those who are just plain negative. Your paragraph G is
 very much true and says it all.
 
 JC wrote:
 f: On the basis of what I know of John Paul II's life, I applaud his
 Beatification. Having noted that, I'd say that there are many others
 in need of attention.
 
 
  

[Goanet] i

[Albert Desouza]

Our religion itself is a curse. While God became man and was born to a human 
being the church formed with pope as the head distorted the religion to such an 
extent that today the so called catholics are blind believers and what they 
believe is what the priests tells them. Wrong religion has embedded into our 
blood streams. today Mary has become a focus of our religion and she has been 
raised to the sky. see how people rush to Valankani, Mount Mary Shivaji nagar 
bangalore and see how they shout the chimes of Mary take us to heaven. Today we 
are indulged in paganism and human beings can decide which priest or which nun 
can be termed as saint. Today the Goa church wants Fr. Jose vaz and are making 
so much of noise and madness. Our religion is just a simple one line religion. 
 Love God and Love your neighbour.  this is far from reality when it comes to 
catholic religion. Money collected for charity is abused. No account is given 
to what is done with our money. Churches are renovated and converted into 
palaces and the poor laity is made to pay with no money coming from the 
bishop's house. The poor are still poor and the rich can live as they want. 
There is no honesty among the clergy. There is no truth with the clergy. They 
livwith two types of personalities. They except the laity to pardon them so why 
we need confessions ? Can our catholic religion save us ? albert 
 
 (b) Roland Francis (after 'misquoting me in jest')  wrote: For the
 record, JC meant he supported JP II's beatification but that other
 candidates are EQUALLY deserving.
 
 
 COMMENT:
 
 1: I do not believe that anybody ridiculed either Catholicism or the
 Pope - in this thread. Criticism is not the same as ridicule.
 Criticism, however difficult to face, is always beneficial. Many
 progressive actions have resulted from criticism.
 
 2: Atheists, non-church-goers and those who are just plain negative
 do not need fuel to be hyper-critical of the church or anything else.
 They have in-built (possibly) GAS batteries which do not need external
 recharging.
 
 3: Roland Francis has mis-represented my position. I did not use the
 word EQUALLY in my previous post. To have done that, I would have
 had to evaluate the candidature of the other nominees. I have not done
 so.
 
 I'd say this (possibly again): Anytime one finds an obsessive and
 unreasonably virulent antagonism against (say) the Church, a
 particular priest or (as the case may be) Portugal or India, Try ask
 this question - even to one's own self: WHY is this person this
 obsessively virulent? Is there an antecedant issue (precursor) to this
 obsession? Did the person miss out on any personal benefit?
 
 practical examples: IF he was incarcerated by the Portuguese, was it
 because he was a conscientious objector or was it because he was a
 dacoit or a dangerous vandal ? If it is the case of an ex-priest, was
 it because he felt that the vows were too onerous or was it because he
 did not get his way to the top? If a specific priest is being
 targeted, was it because the priest was plain wrong or was it because
 the priest did not give a 'financial contract' to the friend?
 
 If the person claims to be an atheist, that is what he/she is. What
 makes his anti-religion tirade suspect is IF he selectively and
 obsessively slams a particular religion, and yet attends 'church
 services' (say) for 'social reasons'.
 
 I believe that it is a personal right to be whatever one wants to
 be.as long as one allows others their right to be what they want
 to be and do (provided, of course, that NO ONE ELSE is physically or
 otherwise endangered or harmed in the process).
 
 jc
  

Re: [Goanet] : culture and medium of instruction

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersAs a teacher I used to be appointed as an examiner for SSC 
science paper. The question paper used to have lots of mistakes. Some of the 
questions were eliptical and others had multiple answers. The name of the paper 
setter was kept a secret because he was coming from Marathi background. Some of 
our moderators could not speak proper English . Some of them were from 
Maharastra and had their SSC in Marathi Medium. There are many people against 
English as medium of Instructions. Most of them are politicians and others are 
dissappointed priests .Some of the politicians are against English not for love 
of Marathi but for fear of closure of Marathi schools .The priests who are 
fighting for konkani want cheap popularity. The schools run by the church may 
be closed down as their standard is not up to mark. There are many more things 
to write but I have no time.
against English Albert de souza
 Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 17:40:51 +0530
 From: nellope...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] : culture and medium of instruction
 
 CULTURE AND MEDIUM OF INSTRUCTION
 State reorganization is based on languages.How many states in India
 recognize two languages as official and mother tongue too? Does it
 mean that Goa has two cultures  kept alive separately without
 intermingling. Do we intend to tightly compartmentalize  two
 distinctive cultures Which culture takes precedent over the other.? Is
 it a fact that Goans will always be at logger heads regarding the
 convergence of  Goan cultural identity Is there a conflict of interest
 of cultures in Goa.?Those who vehemently supported merger of Goa into
 Mahrashtra were traitors to deny the special  and distinct identity of
 Goa or to subvert one aspect of culture as non existent  and yet they
 are shamelessly in fore front of  legislative assembly If language
 alone is the corner stone and preserver  of cultural identity, then
 450 years of oppressive Portuguese Regime should have decimated that
 idea. Yet we know that the language and culture survived to be proud
 of under those circumstances The so called culture in isolation
 ,insulated from any influence is a myth. Static culture is a fad, but
 culture that progresses by assimilating the best from any culture is a
 reality. Today the world  is the global village and happenings any
 where immediately impact every citizen of the world All those
 countries using English are killing their respective cultural
 identity? Any way what is the cultural identity that some want to
 preserve by forcing Konkani medium of Instruction in Primary schools
 The Goans of any religious denomination have undergone a sea change in
 their way of life, traditions,dress, leisure, customs food, beliefs,
 celebration of our feasts and marriages functions of initiation into
 our beliefs etc The only identity is of birth ,but that cannot be
 openly put on display Many a non Goans is  using the Konkani language
 very fluently ,as the means of adjustment and survival The protagonist
 of Marathi do no favour to the neighboring state .Marathi is believed
 to be used for Religious purposes as Konkani in Roman script  serves
 the needs of the other community The youth of to day deplore the
 tradition and customs as totally abhorrent that stifle freedom and
 individual choices when chained to old values. In fact when old value
 system is replaced by new values, the latter become the tradition and
 custom These changes are happening all the time and influencing
 thinking acting and behaving There is vested interest in opposing
 English medium, when unaided schools are freely permitted to
 proliferate Do they destroy our identity and why are they allowed to
 function without any objections , In fact they are more in number than
 Konkani medium schools If Konkani is preserver of culture there no
 specific measures to promote it ,other then saying that medium must be
 in Regional language only, One fails to understand the rational of
 allowing urdu, kanada medium schools patronized by Govt .grants ,
 without any reciprocal arrangement to benefit Goans spread in those
 states Marathi in Goa cannot survive by forcing and continuation of
 Konkani, it must flourish on its own merit and interest by the users
 But the fear is real that English medium schools might sound death
 knell for these schools Few individuals cannot advocate or thrust
 their fanatic views on the majority in a democracy Individual have the
 right to freedom of choice and is determined by the parents, who are
 directly concerned with the welfare of their wards English today is
 tool of communication .higher studies, courts and Govt administration
 and it alone unites all the states, which are otherwise divided on the
 imposition of other state languages The rich are free to decide, but
 the poor cannot exercise the same choice because of economic condition
 alone. Thus there is division of Goan society of rich and poor to
 avail of medium they prefer

Re: [Goanet] John Paul II - Blessed or Cursed?

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersMaking saints can be termed as saint bazaar or saint sale at a 
discount rate.

 Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 13:50:50 -0400
 From: cola...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] John Paul II - Blessed or Cursed?
 
 [1] R Fernandes:Can we PLEASE NOT discuss (negatively) or argue or
 ridicule our RELIGION on a public forum? ...have respect for the POPE
 and more so for our Religion. Let's not wash the dirty linen in
 public.
 
 Could the moderators of Goanet please draw a line to control certain posts?
 
 
 [2] Roland Francis wrote: Fr Ivo  This very man who is now
 beatified and whom you so effusively praise, played the main role in
 the cover-up of the church's massive child abuse scandals. The word
 'abuse' is mild and misleading. It should really be called child rape
 and destruction of lives but that is a digression.
 
 ALLEGATIONS that the late pontiff blocked an inquiry into a paedophile
 cardinal, promoted senior church figures despite accusations that they
 had molested boys and covered up innumerable cases of abuse during his
 26-year papacy have cast ...The most serious claims are related to
 Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, an Austrian friend of John Paul’s who
 ABUSED an estimated 2,000 boys over decades but never faced any
 sanction from Rome.
 
 Stanislaw Obirek, a Polish theologian and a FORMER Jesuit priest,
 said: “I believe John Paul is the key person responsible for the
 cover-up of abuse cases because most of it occurred during his papacy.
 How can someone who is to blame for this be beatified?”
 
 COMMENT:
 
 Dears,
 
 a: I disagree with R. Fernandes. Child Abuse is a serious crime. It
 should be exposed right out in the middleso that the known few are
 never again allowed again to cause the good priests to suffer the
 mistrust and suspicion.
 
 b: While I know that 'abusers' have infected many segments of life,
 and that one finds them among the 'guardians' of many faiths, I am
 happy that all the Catholic Church leaders (I personally know) have
 taken a firm 'zero tolerance' on such matters. I seriously doubt that
 this would have been possible if not for the exposure.
 
 c: Having said that, we all (possibly) know that the Catholic Church
 is a specific target for selective attack. It is perceived as being
 rich and has disturbed the status quo by helping the poor and
 educating them (esp in countries like India with its caste
 discrimination).
 
 d: I'd think a million times before accepting the word of a man/woman
 who has been dumped by a woman/man, a priest who has left the Church,
 or anyone who is upset that he/she cannot commit bigamy or cannot
 remarry in the church after stranding his/her first spouse and
 possibly the children.
 
 e: Until one knows ALL the possibly available facts and analyses them
 fairly and reasonably, all one will end up doing is a hatchet job
 replete with hate, obsession, ignorance and libel.
 
 f: On the basis of what I know of John Paul II's life, I applaud his
 Beatification. Having noted that, I'd say that there are many others
 in need of attention.
 
 g: Atheists, non-church-goers and those who are just plain negative
 ...may not understand this.
 
 jc
  

Re: [Goanet] What is My Tongue?

[Albert Desouza]

People like to talk through their hat. If some one had to see the text books in 
konkani medium you would not know whther you are reading urdu, kannad or 
konkani. I am a konkani writer but I was finding it difficult to read and 
understand the language for I am sure the person who has written the text book 
has used some marathi words for I did not find any of those words in my text 
which I used to read earlier or in the dictionary. So what you expect the 
parents who have no knowledge of the subject help their children ? My wife was 
a konkani teacher and she used to find it difficult to teach my daughter in the 
primary and used the help of a marathi teacher to get the meaning of certain 
words. albert 
the 
 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:50:49 +0530
 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goa...@lists.goanet.orgi
 Subject: [Goanet]  What is My Tongue?
 
 From: goanet@lists.goanet.org 
 On Behalf Of Albert Desouza
 If some parents want English as the medium of instructions what business we 
 have got to impose our theory on others? I know a number of goans living for 
 more than 40 years in Goa cannot speak a single word of Konkani and yet they 
 want konkani or marathi as the medium of instructions. Many parents had to 
 send their children for tuitions because the konkani taught in school is not 
 konkani. If your child is in the primary and you want to send her or him to 
 konkani school please send and you also learn that konkani so that you can 
 help the child while learning.
 **All Goan parents know Konkani. Even those who speak English, do know 
 Konkani, to a great extent. Let the parents be well informed and choose 
 Konkani as their language. Let the students study also English well, not just 
 mugging up and vomiting for the exams, as most of them seem to do. Let them 
 also study other languages. Konkani in devnagri is to be learned together 
 with the roman script. Devnagri script will pave the way for hindi. Let 
 proper text books be prepared for Goan students. We do not want marathized 
 Konkani, nor teachers imported from Maharashtra, who do not know English. Let 
 the Ministers, who have been drop-outs, not meddle in the controversy with 
 their invested interests... I hope that there will be changes in the primary 
 and secondary instruction, though Konkani will remain as the language of the 
 Goan people and of the Goa State.
 Regards.
 Fr.Ivo
  
 ___
 From: fredericknoro...@gmail.com
 Some 6000 people in Goa said their mother-tongue was English, as per the
 1991 census. This number could have increased since. In 2011, I made sure to
 be one of them!
 **Is this true? How many of them really know English? How many children do 
 speak English and how many dogs understand only English? (this could also be 
 a part of research...)
 
 Unfortunately, due to a misplaced sense of regionalistic sentiments, a lot
 of people claim their mother tongue is Konkani or Marathi, when they may
 be barely able to speak the language they opt for. (Meaning: many who claim
 their mother tongue is Marathi actually speak Konkani, though they prefer
 -- for reasons of politics, tradition, caste or religion -- to opt for
 Marathi for their primary schooling and also as a literary language. The
 latter is obvious from newspaper circulation figures in Goa.
 **I do not think that there are Goan families who speak Marathi at home. They 
 may study and read Marathi newspapers. There are families who read 
 Portuguese, French and German books, reviews and papers. Yet the 
 mother-tongue is Konkani. 
  
 Likewise, many who claim that their mother tongue is Konkani may be second
 or third generation speakers of Indian English (due to migration, economic
 reasons, the British occupation of Goa during the Napoleanic wars,
 preference for English education since the 1940's in some Goa schools and
 since over a century back in some parts of migration-oriented Bardez such as
 Arpora and Saligao -- meaning Fr Lyons' started St Joseph's and Mater
 Dei).
 **Students would go to English schools, but their language was Konkani. We 
 went to Portuguese schools, but we would speak Konkani at home and outside 
 (though Portuguese was also used at home). Today we use Konkani at home, 
 English, or even Portuguese. Yet our language is Konkani.
 Regards.
 Fr.Ivo
 
  

Re: [Goanet] Cecil's Mother Dearest, What Is My Tongue - By Cecil Savio Pinto

[Albert Desouza]

Dear goanettersi cannot understand why we goans want to make things very 
difficult for other goans. If some parents want English as the medium of 
instructions what business we have got to impose our theory on others ? I know 
a number of goans living for more than 40 years in Goa cannot speak a single 
word of Konkani and yet they want konkani or marathi as the medium of 
instructions. Many parents had to send their children for tuitions because the 
konkani taught in school is not konkani. I do not know why it is like that. If 
your child is in the primary and you want to send her or him to konkani school 
please send and you also learn that konkani so that you can help the child 
while learning .albert 

 From: fredericknoro...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:13:48 +0530
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Cecil's Mother Dearest, What Is My Tongue - By Cecil 
 Savio Pinto
 
 Some 6000 people in Goa said their mother-tongue was English, as per the
 1991 census. This number could have increased since. In 2011, I made sure to
 be one of them!
 
 Unfortunately, due to a misplaced sense of regionalistic sentiments, a lot
 of people claim their mother tongue is Konkani or Marathi, when they may
 be barely able to speak the language they opt for. (Meaning: many who claim
 their mother tongue is Marathi actually speak Konkani, though they prefer
 -- for reasons of politics, tradition, caste or religion -- to opt for
 Marathi for their primary schooling and also as a literary language. The
 latter is obvious from newspaper circulation figures in Goa.)
 
 Likewise, many who claim that their mother tongue is Konkani may be second
 or third generation speakers of Indian English (due to migration, economic
 reasons, the British occupation of Goa during the Napoleanic wars,
 preference for English education since the 1940s in some Goa schools and
 since over a century back in some parts of migration-oriented Bardez such as
 Arpora and Saligao -- meaning the Fr Lyons' started St Joseph's and Mater
 Dei etc).
 
 Which is why, as Prof Dennis Kurzon reports, the area of Goa and others in
 the Konkani-as-a-mother-tongue camp report among the best TOEFL scores in
 the world.
 
 The concept of a mother tongue is both inaccurate and insufficient to cope
 with the reality of complex places like Goa. First language might be more
 helpful. Like Sri Lanka, there could also be the possibility of having not
 just one language as a medium of education in schools, simultaneously. If
 kids can manage with a multi-lingual setting at home and play, why do we
 presumed they would be confused by the same in school? FN
 
 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm)
 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
 http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org
  

Re: [Goanet] SONIA GANDHI's CHURCH BOLLYWOOD VENOM CHRISTIAN LIBERATION MOVEMENT

[Albert Desouza]

I do not know how far this is true but I heard it from some one who has 
contacts with the defence forces. Sonia Gandhi cannot become the prime minister 
of India because she is already the citizen of Italy by birth. If she becomes 
the prime minister of india then on republic day or independence day she cannot 
take salute from the defence personal as they will not salute her as per the 
noms and rules of the nations even though she becomes a naturalised citizen. 
albert 

 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:41:50 +0530
 From: mikef...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] SONIA GANDHI's CHURCH  BOLLYWOOD VENOM  CHRISTIAN 
 LIBERATION MOVEMENT
 
 To Goanet,
 Sonia Gandhi is not just a politician she is also the president of the cash
 rich congress party and also the chairperson of the UPA which is now stuck
 up in various scams. Being a public figure it is the right of Indian
 citizens especially Catholics to know which religion Sonia Gandhi belongs
 to. So far the Indian News media has not published any photo of Sonia Gandhi
 visiting any church in Delhi neither the media has published any photo of
 Sonia Gandhi praying near the statue of Jesus Christ or Mother Mary neither
 any photo of her celebrating Christmas or Easter. It is unlikely Sonia
 Gandhi is a catholic.
 
 The Right wing Hindu groups have been brainwashing Hindus into believing
 that if Sonia Gandhi becomes the Prime Minister of India then Catholics in
 India will get jobs in senior positions in all Government departments. This
 is false propaganda of the right wing Hindu groups. A lady who does not
 visit church who does not pray in front of statues of Jesus Christ  Mother
 Mary and who does not celebrate Christmas  Easter how can Catholics in
 India benefit from such a lady ?
 
 The stereotyping of catholics as drunkards, boozards, loose characters, low
 IQ people, catholic women selling alcohol, etc in Bollywood films
 permanently damaged the reputation of catholics in India especially
 catholics living in bombay  goa. But the most shameful part was of the
 catholic clergy in Bombay  Goa who allowed Bollywood Movie makers shooting
 locations within Church premises. Even the Mount Mary Church in Bandra was
 allowed for shooting locations and the parish priest who may have most
 probably charged money for allowing the shooting never took permission of
 the laity before allowing the bollywood producers/directors access to the
 church.
 
 Catholics in Goa  Bombay need to replace this system ‘Kal kya hoga kisko
 pata abhi zindagi ka leh lo maza’ with this system ‘hard work  higher
 education’.
 
 Catholics in goa  bombay are ugly, obcese  lethargic because of the daily
 consumptin of bakery white/maida breads...Eh Pavwalas.
 
 Catholics in goa  bombay are stuckup in family/relative property/court
 cases and the 'bhaiyyas'  'biharis' and other migrants pour into goa and
 bombay and built small shanties and they squat in them. Catholics in goa 
 bombay need to do what the 'bhaiyyas'  'biharis' have been doing but then
 catholics are afraid of what pedhru uncle will say and the fun rosemary
 aunty will make of it.
 
 Catholics in goa  bombay are lazy because of the lazy sermons they hear
 sunday after sunday from the lazy clergy during the sunday mass.
 
 In 1998 Sonia Gandhi became the president of the Congress party and from
 that year the right wing Hindu groups began their campaign against
 Christians in India. That campaign subsidized with the burning of one
 protestant missionary  his two sons. That campaign again erupted in 2008
 and the communal game is still on especially in Karnataka. It must be borne
 in mind that Hindutva activists are at their predacious best when the kill
 is easy and their own safety assured in advance. This is why where
 Christians are in sizable numbers, such as in Nagaland, Kerala or even Goa,
 Hindutva sectarians dare not touch them. Instead they turn to States like
 Gujarat, Orrisa, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra where Christians are
 scattered and isolated. In these places it is easy to kill without the fear
 of being killed.
 
 For Hindu chauvinists the greatest national crime has been the 'pampering'
 of the minorities (muslims  christians) by the congress party but they
 forget that it is the Hindu majority who have been pampered with government
 jobs, facilities, housing by the congress party. More than 90% of Congress
 Politicians are from the Hindu community and almost all of them are devout
 Hindus many of them even maintain cordial relations with the right wing
 hindu groups some are also former members of the right wing hindu groups.
 Has anyone wondered why the congress party refuses to ban fundamentalist
 right wing hindu groups.
 
 Not just the Congress party even the state bureaucracy, the judiciary,
 police and armed forces try to protect the right wing hindu groups.
 
 The refusal of Muslims to give away some of the mosques like the babri
 masjid to hindus for building temples, 

Re: [Goanet] Konkani MOI

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Friend 
Goa cannot provide job opportunity to you. So one needs to move out of Goa for 
a job. Today lots of foreign companies have outsourcing .One prefers a smart 
person in their establishment . Most of the companies use English as a medium 
for transactions. Most of the students coming from Marathi or konkani medium 
lack the ability to understand  English and to speak it out  clearly. If the 
English teachers themselves have to waste time teaching students a new subjects 
then where is there a time to make them speak, write and understand English? 
Today many want to settle abroad. When one goes to US they will not appreciate 
our degrees and so you are rejected. Then if you are given a test you tend to 
fail. If you have a job in a call centre one must be able to talk in English 
and hindi clearly. So a firm basic English background will go a long way. Take 
for example of people in Austria, Italy, Switzland, Germany. The medium is 
German. All the three countries use German and Itlay uses I think German and 
Italian. But these countries are self sufficient as far as jobs are concerned 
and so the students studying over here can get a job without English because 
most of the transactions are done in German.I hope I am clear. We need not only 
English Medium of Instructions but we need to modernise our teaching system. We 
should weed out marathi speaking fanatics from the educational system . Many 
people working in the Government educational department cannot draft a simple 
circular. They first write it in Marathi and then translate it in English. Many 
times they themselves cannot read what they have written. albert 

 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:24:35 -0700
 From: s_m_bor...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani MOI
 
 Dear Tony,
 I find that you are trying to hide behind a technicality of your own making. 
 You are asking Freddy to show where specifically you have EXPLICITLY stated 
 that Konkani medium students are jackasses. What Freddy had requested you is 
 not to IMPLY this. And in your posts (as well as in Albert's) more than this 
 was IMPLIED; this would be clear to anyone who understands simple English. 
 All the ills of the education system are sought to be placed at the door of 
 Konkani medium primaries. Did these ills not exist prior to Konkani being 
 made the medium of instruction? And where has Freddy denied their existence? 
 But he has asked you whether it is only the Konkani medium students that are 
 the beneficiaries of the gracing. Are you in a position to truthfully 
 answer this question? Are the examiners / paper setters with English medium 
 primary background always better than those who had initially studied in 
 Konkani? Have you made a study of this?
 Any error in English expression is blamed on Konkani primary. You do this, 
 for instance, in this very post with regard to Freddy's using two N's in 
 Konkani. Have you read any English article by Tomazinho Cardozo? He always 
 spells the word as Konknni. So do Fr. Pratap Naik, Jose Salvador Fernandes, 
 Bosco de Sousa Eremita and a host of others. Did they study in Konkani 
 primaries? How would you justify this?
 You have effectively put a stop to Freddy's posts by laying down a condition 
 which just cannot be met; contrary to your contention that it can upload 
 Devanagari, Goanet has no provision for correctly uploading even Roman script 
 posts in Konkani; even a simple word in Konkani like Goa appears as: “Gõy”. 
 I do not think you are unaware of this!
 
 Sebastian Borges 
 
 On 7 Apr 2011 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 . you are putting words in my my mouth that I have never uttered. Where 
 exactly and in which post have I explicitly stated that those who have/ are 
 studying in the Konkani medium (please note the spelling. It is not Konkanni 
 - that only happens to Konkani medium students who have no sense of spelling 
 English) are JACKASSES?  
 
 Earlier Freddy Agnelo Fernandes had stated :
  ... I am only asking you not imply that all the Konkanni medium passed
 are jackasses and the English medium passed are not.  
 
 
 Sebastian Borges
 
 
  

Re: [Goanet] Only special status can protect Goa - NIZ GOENKAR

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
If corruption is born in Goa we the goans are to be blamed and no one else. 
When one goes to the government offices one finds the staff missing. What do we 
do ? go again. Sometimes we want the work fast and so pour out notes in his 
pocket. So many times people without licence drive on the road and when we meet 
with an accident we pay the other side and finish it off. Sometimes the police 
is bribed. Don't we use the influence of a minister to get out job done ? Who 
pays bribe to get the job in the government department ? We have consumers 
court and we have civil and criminal courts. We just do not want to use those. 
I once bought a IFB machine. Just before the warranty date the timer was not 
working and the mechanic just put a thread to make it work. A fortnight later I 
was told that the timer needed replacement. I took the company to the 
consumer's forum as a result I got a very good machine which is still working 
for the last 8 to 9 years. I have also noted that IFB machines are the best 
machines in India now. There are so many builders in Goa and so many buildings 
have come in Goa. 98% of the people buying flats do not care to form a society. 
The builder is supposed to build only in 40% of area available on ground and 
leave 60% as empty space. How many of the flat owners care about the vacant 
space ? The builders after starting the project and when nearly half over will 
extend and build in the remaining vacant space with the blessing of the 
municipal Council. I bought a flat from Maizons. We went to the state consumers 
forum and fought the case for nearly five years and won the case. The builder 
had to give us nearly 1000 or more sq metre of land , form a society and a 
convenyance. plus a compensation of 4 lakhs to the members. I have my office in 
Saldanha Business towers. The builder is taking us for a ride but we have no 
unity so we cannot fight for our rights. The maintaince deposit that was 
collected by the; builder is been used by the builder instead of depositing it 
in the bank. The builder is in foren country and we are the suffers because we 
do not know to fight for our rights. Why does the government not keen in giving 
English as medium because we are divided and some say maka kiteac poddlam ? 
Albert 

 From: floriano.l...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:17:45 +0530
 CC: camillofernan...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Only special status can protect Goa - NIZ GOENKAR
 
 There was a time when GOOD GOVERNANCE slogan was taken up by the BJP and had 
 it rubbed into the ground.
 Goa Su-Raj Party which had actually named the Party as 'GOOD GOVERNANCE 
 PARTY'  SU-Raj being Good Governance, had to change the slogan to 'Good 
 Effective Governance'
 
 Now everyone seems to be latching on the 'PECIAL STATUS'.  No I have not 
 miss-spelt the word.  These shallow crooks have tried every trick under the 
 sun to get elected. My only worry is that this 'pecial status' thing will 
 become so mundane that the very mention of it after a while will only get 
 scorn. When these guys who are now shouting 'pecial status' from every 
 rooftop  were in the government sometime or the other. They didn't have the 
 courage to spell it out then. From the roaring bulls as sent to the 
 Legislative Assembly they have become the master's ear licking poodles.
 
 The people of Goa should not allow themselves to be fooled over and over 
 agian. Let them first check the consistency of these charlatans who shout 
 'Pecial Status' and also if they have the 'Bs' to tell the Center what 
 'pecial status' they want and how.
 
 Ofcourse, they do not have the 'Bs' as they are licking the arses of Goa's 
 pension fighters.
 
 Cheers
 floriano
 goasuraj
 9890470896
 www.goasu-raj.org
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Camillo Fernandes camillofernan...@hotmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:01 PM
 Subject: [Goanet] Only special status can protect Goa - NIZ GOENKAR
 
 
 
 
 
 Sunday, 3 April 2011
 
 
 
 ONLY SPECIAL STATUS CAN PROTECT GOA: MATANHY SALDANHA
 
 
 
 
 MARGAO: Noted social activist Matanhy Saldanha has said that special status 
 is the only way to protect Goans in Goa.  Speaking at the seminary on the 
 benefits of special status at Benaulim Community centre, the former minister 
 explained the various advantages of special status for the state.
  
 
  

Re: [Goanet] Konkani MOI

[Albert Desouza]

te: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:03:04 +0400

Dear friends
Passing an examination is one thing and become someone to fit is another thing. 
Our SSC E has no standard because the papers are set by someone mostly who has 
no control over English. Each time I went through a question paper of science 
or maths I noted lots of mistakes and most of the time the questions were mere 
translations of marathi. Many of the paper setters were moderators and chief 
moderators and when on the first day the paper was discussed they only wanted 
us to follow their dictates . There used to be a heated discusssions over 
acceptance of certain answers. Some of the questions had many answers. 
Sometimes the questions were wrongly framed and wrong too. In maths there used 
to be many wrong questions. The board never thought of taking serious actions 
and the student community kept quiet. That is the reason the board is afraid to 
give to the students a xerox copy of their answer sheet to be taken at home for 
fear that the students may get the xerox paper corrected by their respective 
teacher .The other thing is the school curriculum does not make any one stand 
straight on the earth. Our students after passing college do not find a 
suitable job because we are examination oriented. How many of our students 
after graduation can stand and talk fluently over a mike, or before some group 
of company personal in an interview? How many of our people working can discus 
on a debate on a tv ? In school we are taught stupid subjects like compulsory 
english, hindi, konkani or marathi, maths science and social sciences. Our 
students mug up and answer the examinations. Villages specially the remote ones 
which is invaded by marathi politicians are like martyrs when they answer the 
examinations. The teachers themselves do not have a command over the subjects 
but they have managed to invade the board and the education department. Albert 


 From: ffernandes@emaar.ae
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Konkani MOI
 
 In response to:
 
 Message: 7
 
 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:38:54 +0100
 
 From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com
 
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani MOI
 
  
 
 Dear Tony,
 
  
 
 Honestly I did not want to get involved in this charade called MOI, we are in 
 a
 Democracy where a majority counts but that does not give you or any body else
 the right to discredit the minority and when people like your good self who 
 are
 educated and are also educationists, talk through their hats, a correction is
 justified, mind you it's not a confrontation, it's a correction.
 
  
 
 Let me be specific, you said that There is nothing spectacular about students
 who have studied in regional languages who do well at the SSC examinations. 
 You
 further said that marks are brought up by the unqualified moderators to pass
 these students. Now would you say that this phenomena benefits only the
 regional language students and the English medium students do not benefit from
 this phenomena ? As far as I know there are no markings on the SSC or the 
 HSSC
 papers to say that the students are from English medium, Konkanni medium or 
 even
 Marathi medium primary schools. So how can you say that that only the regional
 language students benefit from this phenomena ? We surely did not have
 different boards for different MOI at SCC or HSSC.
 
  
 
 Do you seriously believe that all English medium students pass SSC and HSSC
 without the benefit of this phenomena and all regional language students do 
 ?
 Aren't you being totally bias here or even racists to words the Konkanni 
 medium
 students ? For your kind information, only the students that do not do well 
 are
 helped by this you're so called phenomena irrelevant to the MOI, and all 
 those
 that do well in either case are the ones that do not need this benefit.  A
 person of your caliber should have known that better than me.  
 
  
 
 Did not Konkanni and Marathi medium students pass through normal and even
 professional colleges ? There are a lot of professionals, Doctors, Engineers,
 specialized technicians, Lawyers, priests, religious, scientists and others 
 who
 have passed through regional language primary schools, but did they get the
 benefit of the same phenomena in their respective colleges and universities 
 ?
 Do you want to say that even in our professional colleges marks are brought 
 up
 to pass the regional language primary students ? Do you really want all these
 people to believe that ? 
 
  
 
 I am aware of the fact that all students who do not perform to the required
 level are given grace marks, I am also aware that a lot of our teachers and
 moderators are unqualified, these moderators do make mistakes in general and 
 not
 necessarily only against brilliant students, we had them then and we have them
 now but the credibility, the hard work and the dedication that the konkanni
 medium students have put in should not be diluted or distorted by some inane
 

Re: [Goanet] NEWS: 'Goa's banking services best in India' (TNN)

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
I do not think I need to name the bank as according to me all nationalised 
banks are the same. I have an account in Bank of India. Mapuca. The moment I 
enter the bank I feel that I have entered a hell. Staff is so busy and always 
with sad face. Their printers do not work sometimes. One day I sent my office 
assistant to update my pass books. My whole family has account over there. So I 
have about six passbooks. The clerk started grumbling. I had to complain to the 
zonal manager to sort out the case. One day I wanted to make a fixed deposit. 
The money was lying in the saving account of the same bank. The concern clerk 
had to just press a button of his computer make two entries and another click 
and the certifcate gets printed. But no he told me to come again. One day I 
wanted to withdraw ten thousand from the bank, I prefered one thousand notes. 
The clerk refused to give me saying he does not have and gave me one hundred 
demonition. I made noise. The chief cashier is my neighbour. He came to my 
rescue and brought ten thousand of one thousand dem and gave me but before that 
the clerk concerned told me that if I was not satisfied with the bank I could 
close the account. I see number of old people waiting in que .Some of them 
cannot stand .Some of them come to get their fixed deposit . At the end of the 
year I want a statement from the bank for the accured interest .One day I 
requested the bank manager to post the same to me which he refused. I send the 
request to the zonal manager and then the certificate was sent to me. I have an 
account with corporation bank Mapuca. There the case is not different from bank 
of India. Same stories. Some of the clerks do not know to operate the keys of 
the computer. I complained to the head office throu interenet and then the 
zonal manager phones me, the branch manager phones me and things have improoved 
a bit but for how long I donot know. MY atm pin had got over. The pin had to be 
renewed. I did not notice that and was refused withdrawl . When I told this to 
the bank officer he told me that my new pin was lying with them for past one 
month. I should have seen that. I had an account with the axis bank. I wanted a 
statement at the end of the year which they never gave me and I closed the 
account. They were trying to preach to me that it was the best bank .I have 
noticed other banks too. Same old stories and that is why people want to have 
their accounts in ICICI, HDFC. I do not have an account in these banks but once 
or twice went there to withdraw cash and found the staff quite cheerful and 
helpful.
albert 

 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 23:55:11 +0100
 From: gabe.mene...@gmail.com
 To: tonyd...@gmail.com; goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: 'Goa's banking services best in India' (TNN)
 
 On 3 April 2011 18:44, Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear Albert,
 
  It would help tremendously if you name the bank responsible. This would
  enable us to avoid the bank like plague.
  ...
 
  --
 
  Tony de Sa.  tonydesa at gmail dot com
 
   ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
 
 
 RESPONSE: Hmm let me hazard a guess - Bank of India?
 
 -- 
 DEV BOREM KORUM
 
 Gabe Menezes.
  

Re: [Goanet] Medium of instruction in Primary Schools

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
I studied in English Medium school. My teachers were good in English and the 
school encouraged us to speak in English most of the time. Konkani was not 
taught in the school and the languages we had were English. Hindi and the third 
language was French, Latin, Portuguese. Because of this we could understand 
easily maths, science, history and geography. While studying even an aveage boy 
could follow the text book and solve old question papers of SSCE without much 
difficulty. Tony De Sa was the product of that school .Hence the students were 
easliy able to adjust at medical college. Engineering college and any other 
such colleges without much trouble. Even the students whose parents spoke 
konkani most of the time mostly the labour class were good in studies in the 
school. Did we forget our mother tongue? I started reading konkani novels while 
I was in school. My mom was a lover of konkani novels and would buy them .At 
first reading the novels in Romi script was rather difficult but with effort I 
was able to read it with ease. Today without learning konkani language myself I 
can write konkani in Romi script .I have been writing konkani tiatrs and 
staging them. I even got best script award. Albert de Souza 

 From: dr.udayba...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:45:47 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet] Medium of instruction in Primary Schools
 
 I have not studied Konkani all throughout my primary school and college
 days, but speak Konkani right from my childhood. I could read Konkani both
 in devnagri and romi because my primary education was in Marathi and
 thereafter my education was in English. I learnt writing devnagri Konkani
 somewhere in 2000, that too on my own and even publish one short story book
 in devnagri Konkani (my 13th book) titled 'Belapan' which was released at
 the hands of Damodar Mauzo.
   
 While my daughter and son studied in English primary school (Manovikas) with
 Konkani as one of the subject. Daughter passed out IT engineering and right
 this year doing her ME. My son has joined computer engineering. Whenever
 issues of medium of instruction at primary level popes up my children always
 accuse me asking, why had you not put us in Marathi primary school like you
 studied? To this question I always avoid replying or justifying them - for I
 too question my parents as to why they had enrolled me to Marathi primary
 school. This situation clearly suggests that once child grow up they do
 question parents for imposing their decisions on them - despite the fact
 that child's age at the entry to primary level can never allow them to make
 informed choice! This argument may not be true with all children and
 parents! 
 
 Over all, I consider that it's not worth taking any side on the issue, for
 whichever side one take there will be a counter offensive. Therefore I don't
 want to justify, defend or take up any side on the issue.
  
 These days I've noticed that our political dividers (Goans) are beating
 drums on medium of instruction in primary schools in Goa for the third time.
 This is not a healthy sign.  Such attempts will ruin the future of our
 upcoming posterity. 
 
 I believe, in such dead-lock situation, the issue could be best solved once
 and for all by taking opinion poll from all Goan voters. And this could be
 even initiated along with upcoming assembly election in Goa which is due in
 year time without extra expenditure to exchequer. This is my frank opinion. 
  
 Best regards,
 
 Uday Barad
 
 
  

Re: [Goanet] NEWS: 'Goa's banking services best in India' (TNN)

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
The service you get as an customer of nationalised bank is very poor. When you 
enter any bank you find long ques. The people working over there will behave as 
if they are doing the customer a big favour .There is no separate que for the 
senior citizen. The staff many times indulge themselves in gossiping and 
talking over the mobile phone. If one wants to put money lying in the savings 
bank account of the same bank to fixed deposit it will never be done on the 
same day. Come tomorrow.or come after four days.When fixed deposit mature the 
bank will not send you any notice. At the end of the year lots of customer 
wants statement showing the accured interest earned by them. Most of the banks 
will not post that statement to you but will ask you to come to the bank and 
the statement is put in a file and you come check whther the statement is there 
or come again. I get my pension through bank of Inda. The bank does not send me 
any intimation for obtaining a statement that I am alive. This time they send 
me a post card asking me to visit the bank and when I did come no one knew 
whose job it is and one non goan lady officer even shouted asking me to wait if 
I want the work to be done . I usually write a complain through the internet to 
the head office and then every authority wakes up and they say mea culpa.and 
lots of apologies are written to me and phone calls .Albert desouza

 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:39:21 +0530
 From: news.goa...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: 'Goa's banking services best in India' (TNN)
 
 'Goa's banking services best in India'
 TNN | Mar 27, 2011, 05.57am IST
 
 PANAJI: Goa has witnessed a boom in the banking sector and the number
 of banking offices was 556 on September 30, 2010, states the economic
 survey 2010-11. There is a scheduled commercial bank branch for
 approximately every 4,148 people in Goa as against the all-India
 average of 14,683 people, the survey states.
 
 As per the figures provided in the survey, Himachal Pradesh-with an
 average population of 7,035 people per branch-and Punjab with 8,377
 people come a close second and third respectively. The average of
 Sikkim, Kerala and Uttarkhand is below 9,000, while other states range
 between 10,000 and more up to 29,913.
 
 Among the union territories, Chandigarh has the best average of 5,106,
 while Lakshadweep has 6,818 and Delhi has 8,133. After liberation,
 Goa's banking sector grew phenomenally. This (the figures) show that
 Goa has the best banking services compared to all other states and
 union territories in the country, the survey report states.
 
 There were hardly five banking offices in 1962, but by the time Goa
 was granted statehood in 1987, the number grew to 300. The aggregate
 deposits registered a phenomenal growth from 9 crore in 1962 to 26,045
 crore in 2008-09 and to 29,506 crore in 2009-10, according to the
 survey.
 
 During 2008-09, domestic savings registered an annual growth of 30%,
 while NRE deposits dropped to 3% as compared to the previous year. In
 2009-10, the annual growth rate of domestic and NRE deposits stood at
 14% and 10% respectively. The number of nationalized bank branches
 increased by 5.13% over the previous year, while the number of private
 sector banks and cooperative bank branches increased by 21.31% and
 7.20% respectively.
 
 The percentage increase in deposits for nationalized banks, private
 sector banks and cooperative banks is 42.49%, 72.04% and 56.30%
 respectively. Similarly, the percentage increase in credits for
 nationalized banks and cooperative banks is 56.99% and 60.10%
 respectively, whereas for private sector banks it decreased by 9.41%,
 the report states.
 
 The credit deposit ratio has decreased from 31 in September 2009 to 30
 in September 2010. Notably, cooperative banks topped the list as far
 as credit deposit ratio is concerned followed by nationalized banks,
 while private sector banks recorded a credit deposit ratio of 20.
 
 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goas-banking-services-best-in-India/articleshow/7796528.cms
  

Re: [Goanet] Baba Ramdev's instruction v/s Goan's medium of instruction

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersI had been in the teaching field since 1994till 2004. Each time 
I had to teach the fifth and the sixth standard it was a nightmare. Children 
coming from Konkani and Marathi medium did not know a word of English and I had 
literally to teach them alphabets and how to write simple sentences. So I had 
kept one period of all the teaching periods for writing simple English. Not 
only that the children in the primary were taught to write in block letters 
which made their hand writing a horrible one.I am a student of Lourdes convent 
and Sr.Irene taught me to write English the cursive way and today many people 
who see me write comment on wonderful handwriting that I have. My daughter 
Arlette was also taught writing by the same teacher sr. Irene and she too has 
cursive handwriting. Other children of mine are yet to develope the same. Let 
us have English medium of instruction and the teacher can speak to the children 
in konkani when they cannot understand English. It is easy for those who have 
no children or to those whose children are already grown big to preach on 
konkani as medium but for those parents whose children were in konkani medium 
know how they had to struggle to teach their children English.when they reached 
the middle school albert de souza 
 From: floriano.l...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:34:37 +0530
 CC: so...@bsnl.in
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Baba Ramdev's instruction v/s Goan's medium of  
 instruction
 
 This from Soter is fully and completely endorsed.
 
 BTW: When I talk of mother-tongue as the desired language/medium of 
 instruction in primary schools ( std. 1 to IV only), I am talking of the 
 spoken language which according to me is the language that all Goans speak 
 at home (shasti dialect included) including the Marathi lobby and is the 
 spoken language in over 95 per cent of Goan homes.
 
 It is another matter altogether that communals (like Adv. Uday Bhembre  Co) 
 have infiltrated our beloved Konkani with ANTRUZI by heavily sanskrutizing 
 and slaughtering  the Konkani that has been spoken widely in Goa for many 
 centuries by adopting some Portuguese words (like 'passoek/walk' ; 
 'bolos/poket'  'sucegad/easy going etc).
 
 Konkani should have been in Roman Script only (like many countries like 
 Malaysia etc have). Attaching communal colour to a script is the work of 
 Goan communal devils.
 
 Communals who smash Portuguese name plaques of Goan names must be smashed 
 out of Goa.
 
 Goa Su-Raj shall do this job effectively by first stopping his  pensions to 
 pension fighters like  Naguesh Karmali  Co  and drive them  out of Goa's 
 boundaries if they will not behave themselves as Goans but act as agents of 
 BJP-RSS in Goa.
 
 :-))
 Cheers
 
 floriano
 goasuraj
 9890470896
 www.goasu-raj.org
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: SOTER so...@bsnl.in
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:08 PM
 Subject: [Goanet] Baba Ramdev's instruction v/s Goan's medium of instruction
 
 
 The Goan casteist-communal cowards now rope in a 'bhailo', Baba Ramdev, to 
 justify their unpopular demand of imposing devanagiri konkani as the medium 
 of instruction on all Goans. There is nothing new in this dirty tactic as a 
 similar game was played during the konkani agitation where these very 
 pro-maharashtra agents roped in the Shiv Sena to try and intimidate the 
 konknivadis. That is why it was a Floriano Vaz from Gogol, Margao that got 
 shot at point blank range for no real reason. The manufactured 
 konkani-marathi divide was exploited and used to shove devanagiri script as 
 the official script for konkani down the throats of Goans. The communal 
 agenda was further advanced by the Jai Maharashtra brigade of Shashikala 
 Kakodkar.  Twenty years later the move has backfired as this communal move 
 has adversely affected the education prospects of both communities. The 
 victim is the konkani language.
 Polarising the communities has been the most trusted weapon of Goa's 
 casteist-communal opportunists that have reaped rich dividends since the 
 liberation of Goa. They have managed to divide and reap Goa's resources in 
 the countryside and sell it to Japan and China. In hind sight one can deduce 
 that United Goans Party and the Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party were 
 manufactured by one and the same casteist-communal oppressors. These 
 casteist opportunists created the alliance between BJP and MGP in 1998 
 election and enjoyed the exploits until 2004, but no sooner their agendas 
 were not fulfilled they began releasing ads claiming that the very same BJP 
 is communal. The enemy of Goa is within and not somewhere else. The sooner 
 Goans discern between genuine issues and those systematically popularised 
 with vested interests, the better will it be for the survival of Goa and the 
 Goan people.
 The Opinion Poll may have defined Goa's destiny as a seperate identity in 
 1968 but these mergerists that 

Re: [Goanet] Full day school in Goa, makes sense?t

[Albert Desouza]

Talking about full day school :- Many schools do not have proper infra 
structure. In Mapuca there are only three schools that really can meet 
the challenge ofn  a full day school. A full day school will need a 
proper canteen facility for the children to buy food incase the 
government does not give them a meals. They need a proper toilets and a 
big playground for them to play. A full day school will increase sports 
activities as well as cultural activities. When St.Britto High school 
was built much before the concept was conceived in the minds of the 
priests they fully vitualised the need of the school two or three 
decades hence and they made provisions when everything was cheap. This 
is called master planning. So too st anthony's school Duler and sfx 
school Mapuca. I do not know why other schools did not bother to 
visualise the future needs and demands of the schools and remained still 
in primitive where students use roads as their toilets. No ground to 
play, no place to even stand and talk. What a pity that people have 
ventured into the field of education with no knowledge of the needs of 
the children.

albert

 From: colaco
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Full day school in Goa, makes sense?

 Well said, SOTER!!

 BTW: The said Act is not an administrative act that was enacted by
 any Department or passed by any Sibal. It was enacted (passed) by
 Parliament.

Re: [Goanet] Cooking with Coconut Oil - good for your health

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersWe are carried away by advertisements . Either it is your doctor 
or the tv that tries to convince you that this and that is very bad. As soon as 
the child is born parents take him to the primary health centre for a dose. The 
poor child is injected with so many drugs like polio dose, triple dose etc. 
Initially there were only three doses but now it has increased to more than 
three. People are carried away by Amitabh bachan supporting booster dose. When 
my fourth child was born my homeopathy doctor told me not to give him any of 
these doses. I did not give my fourth child any one of these doses and found 
that he was in good health. My other three used to get cold very often but not 
this one. BCG has in a mild form a TB germ. The body develops TB in a mild way 
resulting in fever and cold every now and then. When these appear people rush 
to the doctor who knows only one thing- anti biotics or now it is steriods.With 
the result most of our organs are destroyed either partially or completely. 
When we were small our grannies used to put coconut oil on our head, and also 
in our ears. When born we were massaged with coconut oil and the one who did 
that must have banged us here and banged us there with her strong hands .Once a 
year we were given purgative. That cleared our gall bladder and prevented 
depositing of gall as gall stones. Today our modern doctors who do no research 
at all frighten people and do not allow them to put oil in the ear, ior 
massage, or use of purgative .Our doctors do no research at all. They have 
their old traditional way of diagnosis. Those who want to make money will 
organise blood test , stool test, x ray, ecg, endoscopy, scan, MIR etc etc and 
sometimes it is available under one roof. A friend of mine went to work in his 
field at around 2.30 pm and must have got a sun stroke. He fell down and so his 
wife took him to a doctor who recomended scan followed by mir and blood test, 
all these gave negative result and his bank balance also showed negative .I 
told him that he should have rested at home for a day or two or gone to some 
old doctors who charge say five to ten ruppes. The list is endless so I shall 
stop here. Albert(or  see this as science, or the result of manipulation 
between by thet 
 business lobbies and a section of scientists?
 all
 What's the truth behind Tamiflu, avian flu and Donald Rumsfield?
 [http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_bird_flu.htm]
 
 Rgds, FN
 
 Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
 
 On 22 February 2011 16:41, Reena reena.mart...@abp.in wrote:
 
  My mother allowed herself to become a guinea pig of one such piece of ill 
  informed advice, and cooked her food in coconut oil (without our 
  knowledge). Within a couple of years, if not less, she was diagnosed with 
  severe arterial blocks, for which she had to undergo bypass surgery
  

Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Magic .. aka Miracles

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanettersjesus saysi am the truth and the Resurection.' So if you are a 
follower of Jesus learn to speak the truth. There is no miracle in the 
eucharist. We say those words to remember that two thousand years ago Jesus 
said those words and said do this in remembrance of me. No priests have that 
much of power as they tell us about. The host remains as host and there is no 
transformation at all. Imagine if the host was to be transformed into body the 
life of those who receive it would have been transformed. We see so many 
government staff going for mass everyday and they do chor bazaar from 9.30 to 
5.40.There are so many things in the church which are not correct. One is 
immaculate conception, assumption, and may be even appriations . These are all 
man made secrets.albert 

 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:38:37 -0800
 From: goa...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Magic .. aka Miracles
 
 Santosh,
 I think the confusion in this discussion is in part the result of an 
 erroneous 
 subject header - which I have now corrected. Dr. ... er .. Fr. Ivo is an 
 expert 
 in the subject of Eucharistic Magic. Please give him the benefit of the doubt 
 on 
 this issue.
 
  Marlon 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
 To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 11:58:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Miracles
 
 The response appended below shows that the detailed explanation I gave in my 
 last post regarding the biological impossibility of having a type AB blood 
 with 
 only a single set of chromosomes derived from the mother was not understood 
 at 
 all. This is the problem with people who make these wild nonsensical claims 
 about modern science confirming their parochial supernatural beliefs. They 
 don't 
 understand the science even if you explain it to them in simple terms. I hope 
 the situation is different with others who cared to read my post. My 
 explanation 
 was pitched to a high school educated lay person. But a student with a 9th 
 standard level of understanding of biology should have had no problem 
 following 
 the argument.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Santosh
  

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles

[Albert Desouza]

I think people in uk have not tasted the real sorpotel. Goa is the origin of 
sorpotel and for sorpotel you need not head of the pig but certain part of the 
pig. we use liver. kidney,heart, inner linnings of the stomach, along with 
flesh without bones. all these are boiled first and cut into small bits and 
fried on the frying pan and then massala is added to it. When the meat is cut 
the piece should contain the skin part along with fat and the meat. Now a days 
the meat we get is bulky type and the meat separates the fat.albert

 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:08:14 +
 From: gabe.mene...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
 
 On 31 January 2011 00:13, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Was surprised to learn that Gabe reads every word that Albert writes,
  and that Albert does lard-based scientific experiments in the
  marketplace too! FN
 
 
 
 RESPONSE: On a slow day, yes I do - there is after all, entertainment value;
 my wife makes excellent Sorpotel, follows a recipe from Chef Isidore Coelho
 - the Mangy maestro:-
 
 http://indianfood.about.com/od/cookbooks/gr/thechef.htm
 
 European Pork is pretty good stuff - even belly Pork here does not have
 oodles of fat! The Sorpotel aficionados make their Sorpotel here in the U.K.
 out of Pig's head, ear wax and all.
 
 -- 
 DEV BOREM KORUM
 
 Gabe Menezes.
  

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles

[Albert Desouza]

before you eat sorpotel you must drink feni. But unfortunately Alfred must have 
taken a bit too much that he could see snout, testicles, ovaries, small 
piglings head etc. Poor chap. next time eat before you take fenialbert 
 From: alfredtava...@hotmail.comi To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:47:08 +0100
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
 
 
 Albert, you have not mentioned some vital parts/organs of Pig, considered 
 essential 
 in preparation of genuine sorpotel: blood, snout, ears, collar, tail...and, 
 if the chap
 in question has not been castrated...his testicles, albeit, optional for the 
 squeamish.
 
  From: alizadeso...@hotmail.com
  To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
  Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:12:53 +
  Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
  
  
  I think people in uk have not tasted the real sorpotel. Goa is the origin 
  of sorpotel and for sorpotel you need not head of the pig but certain part 
  of the pig. we use liver. kidney,heart, inner linnings of the stomach, 
  along with flesh without bones. all these are boiled first and cut into 
  small bits and fried on the frying pan and then massala is added to it. 
  When the meat is cut the piece should contain the skin part along with fat 
  and the meat. Now a days the meat we get is bulky type and the meat 
  separates the fat.albert
  
   Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:08:14 +
   From: gabe.mene...@gmail.com
   To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
   Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
   
   On 31 January 2011 00:13, Frederick Noronha 
   fredericknoro...@gmail.comwrote:
   
Was surprised to learn that Gabe reads every word that Albert writes,
and that Albert does lard-based scientific experiments in the
marketplace too! FN
   
   
   
   RESPONSE: On a slow day, yes I do - there is after all, entertainment 
   value;
   my wife makes excellent Sorpotel, follows a recipe from Chef Isidore 
   Coelho
   - the Mangy maestro:-
   
   http://indianfood.about.com/od/cookbooks/gr/thechef.htm
   
   European Pork is pretty good stuff - even belly Pork here does not have
   oodles of fat! The Sorpotel aficionados make their Sorpotel here in the 
   U.K.
   out of Pig's head, ear wax and all.
   
   -- 
   DEV BOREM KORUM
   
   Gabe Menezes.

 
  

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles

[Albert Desouza]

I know what I am writing. I am writing british English. Has Gabe seen the meat 
from farm pigs ? The size of the fat is thick and so too the size of the meat. 
It does not give you the same taste as our local pigs give. You may not have 
tasted local pig meat.Then try to get the meat of local pigs, make sorpotel 
yourself, taste and then compare with farm pigsalbert 

 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:18:27 +
 From: gabe.mene...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
 
 On 29 January 2011 11:25, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
I have not tasted the boar but the farm products are not so tasty and
  have too much of fat and the size of meat is more than the fat. albert de
  souza
 
 
 QUESTION: Do you have any idea what you are writing? First you state that
 the farm products are not so tasty and have too much of fat. Then you state
 the size of meat is more than the fat! Which is it man? get your act
 together okay.
 
 Just eat the bloody thing, sorpotel without the fat content ain't the real
 thing. Same with English sausages and bacon - the tastiest bacon is streaky
 bacon with all that marbled fat! many Goan aficionados of Goenchi choris
 demand a fat content, yes, no?
 -- 
 DEV BOREM KORUM
 
 Gabe Menezes.
  

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles

[Albert Desouza]

Pig scientifically i think is called a boar.What people in Goa would be doing 
was to castrag.. the pig when young and then it would become a mild animal. It 
did the work of a scavenger. The boar or rann dukor lived in the forest and has 
teeth coming out from the side of the snout. They are really wild. while the 
farm pigs are huge pigs with lots of fat in them and I think they belong to a 
breed with high hormones. They are normally called English pigs. The goan pigs' 
meat tasted nice. The meat and the fat was well balanced. I have not tasted the 
boar but the farm products are not so tasty and have too much of fat and the 
size of meat is more than the fat. albert de souza 

 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:38:42 +0530
 From: rskakod...@yahoo.co.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
 
 Pork is general word. There are atleast three types of pork. First is 
 Goo-Dukor, which was consumed by Christians in Goa . Then there is Raan-Dukor 
 relished by Goan Hindus and Christians. Finally, the Farmed-Dukor in US, 
 Europe etc and 5stars. There could be more? 
 Also need to separate Relishing from mass-consuming. Relishing is preferring 
 pork even if lobster, fish, mutton, chicken or mushrooms are served. 
 Consumption by many can be cost determined. Now, Raan-Dukor is illegal and 
 Cumaos are replaced by septic tank toilets and Goo-Dukor may not be eating 
 Goo. Yet 99 percent Hindus do not eat Goo-Dukor as a substitute.  May be less 
 to do with hygiene and more with psychology. 
 RajendraFerdinando dos Reis Falcão:  Because we all Goans relish Pork meat  
 pork sausages.  Marshall Mendonsa:  Pork and pork products are very popular 
 in the North-east as well as in Nepal . In fact, I was surprised to find the 
 Hindus in Khatmandu , Nepalrelishing pork
  while I, a goan, was avoiding it for health reasons. Pork is also popular in 
 south asian countries like Malaysia , Philippines , Thailand , Singapore , 
 Vietnam etc. Almost all the 5 star hotels that I have stayed in, in all the 
 five continents, invariably serve pork products for breakfast
  
 
 
  

Re: [Goanet] Religionists

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersJesus Christ preached love to God and love to human beings. 
Catholics are yet to learn to love their fellow beings. First and foremost one 
must know  to love his own self. Love his wife,love his elderly parents love 
his or her siblings and love neighbours. When in church people behave as 
strangers. Every one is so serious. there is only person who has all the 
knowledge of God  and no one else.He only enthertains himself and others can 
yown,albert 

 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:21:08 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet]  Religionists
 
 
 From: Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com
  Mother Theresa was a typical religionist. She supported the status quo.
  She decided that charity was much more important than the fight for 
  justice.
 **This anti-Christ is spewing venom against verything and everyone.I do 
 not know whether he is an ex-seminarian.
 1. Christian religion believes in the afterlife.
 2.Mother Teresa loved the poorest of the poor. Her motivation was not social 
 agenda or philanthropy, but Christian faith: to see Jesus in the poor.
 3. She did not do business. She was given the Nobel Peace Prize and used it 
 for the poor.
 4.She replied that she was not the judge of those who offered money to her.
 5.Jesus never accepted women as priestesses. The Church does not accept 
 them, but gives them several ministries.
 6.The Church fights for justice. Mother Teresa contributed with her selfless 
 work for the uplift of the poor.
 
 Christians like to think that they invented love, as Americans like to
  think they invented freedom...
 **Jesus offered divine life and love. That is the uniqueness of Christian 
 Faith.
 This is the New Covenant, inaugurated by Jesus with his Death and 
 Resurrection.
 Only Jesus could do it, since he is God-Man. He is the only Incarnation.
 All religions preach love and compassion. Christianity offers it.
 Regards.
 Fr.Ivo
 
  

Re: [Goanet] Clergy Home at Porvorim

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanettersi cannot understand why the Bishop house is not looking after 
the priests . First of all they are not paid properly and now in their last 
journey of life they do not get enough. Every one wants us to do this and do 
that as if we are multimillonaires. Repairs of the church donations. mission 
sunday donations. then comes appeal from don boscos and 
this one and that one. The church does not give us anything. we have to pay 
even for a burial and looking after the cemetry. repairs etc etc. who i wonder 
will repair us.albert 
 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:10:16 -0500
 From: winfer...@yahoo.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Clergy Home at Porvorim
 
 Dear All Goans,
 
 I think Goans can do alot for the Clergy Home for our retured priests... 
 like I did..when I inaugurated my new house I didnt not have the 
 traditonal jevon called the Bikareachem Jevon at my place, what I did 
 was prepared good lunch at ma home and went to the Clery Home at 
 Porvorim and the old priests living there really enjoyed the lunch given 
 to them. Also a lumpsum amount was given for the upkeep of the Clery Home...
 
 So, I suggest that every Goan can do their bit and help to maintain this 
 Clery Home in a nice way.
 
 Cheers !!!
 Mrs. Fernandes
 Moderator for Global Goan Women2008 at yahoogroups.
  

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles

[Albert Desouza]

Those of portuguese origin are called Pakles and not pankles.albert 

 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:57:56 -0800
 From: gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
 
 Fernando de Noronha mentions os de alem gates, meaning those from beyond 
 the 
 Ghats, in his book Memorias do meu passado. Don't know if this terminolgy 
 appeared on the Goa scene before or after the events of Dec 1961... 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
  To: goa...@goanet.org; i...@goanet.org
  Sent: Sun, 23 January, 2011 11:26:13 PM
  Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese Ghantis and Maharashtrian Pankles
  
  COMMENT : In Goa “Ghanti” were referred to people from beyond the
  Western Ghats, the boundries of Goa. These people also spoke language which 
 was
  not Konkani and not understood by the Goans.
  
 
 
 
   
  

Re: [Goanet] On Hindu priests

[Albert Desouza]

Dear goanettersHindus, Christians, Muslims, sikhs etc are aHe wll God's 
creations and i cannot understand why we people we human beings should be 
divided among ourselves based on our religion. Actually jesus Christ did not 
start any religion. He was born Jew and he carried on his jewish ways till he 
died. He was not a founder of any religion. His method was simple. Who ever you 
are and who ever you may be, just love God with your whole heart and with your 
soul and likewise love your neighbour .If we all had to follow this simple rule 
everyone in this world would be happy and no body on earth would go to sleep on 
empty stomach. We do not see poor parsis or beggar sikhs any where. I have not 
seen a sindhi begging. why ? because they follow jesus' principle. Love your 
neighbour. Today we Roman catholics boast of many things. Our parents are 
living a sorrowful life in aged homes. Ththee nuns over there try to make them 
happy, give them their best but they cannot replace the old people's children. 
We have divorce cases mounting in courts and church courts too. Our children 
are looked after by ayahs while we busy ourselves making money in the offices. 
etc etc. Can we first get rid of all these evils ? albert de souza 
t
 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:50:15 -0800
 From: parri...@yahoo.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] On Hindu priests
 
 To Goanet -
 
 Dr. Santosh Helekar wrote:
 I know where Dr. Desai gets his information about Hindu priests from, and 
 understand why he would have a different perspective about Hindu religion as 
 a 
 good business world wide, as good as the other major religions.   But I have 
 no 
 
 idea from where Dr. Parrikar got his information about Hindu priests in 
 Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. 
 
 You have no idea, indeed, Dr. Helekar.  It must not be available on Google 
 then 
 :-).
 
 As far as I know, he has never taken any pictures in 
 these states with his special camera, and he does not have much sympathy for 
 those ghantis in any case. 
 
 Alas, the good doctor again has no idea but I am happy to illuminate.
 Not only have I photographed a lot in these states, I have also met the
 priests and the temple officials there.  
 
 Now since Dr. Helekar's basic premise has turned out to be false, we are
 impelled to trash his entire response (in keeping with the scientific method).
 
 It must be conceded however that I am not endowed with the gift
 of drafting a practical solutions manual for Goa without breaking
 a sweat and without stepping away from a Google-enabled
 keyboard.  Instead, I have had to rely on more basic methods, of actually
 stepping into the real world and finding things out for myself, gathering
 evidence the hard way, and so on.  How I wish I had the magic of
 Dr. Helekar's fingers and his wizardry on Google!
 
 Warm regards,
 
 
 r
  

[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- We must learn to accept God as our Father. Jesus accepted God 
as his father and always did His will. Mary the mother of Jesus accepted God as 
her lord and did His will. We talk about our holiness without God. If only we 
had faith in Our Father and went to Him as little children of His our life on 
earth would have been a joyous life one can imagine to have. But we tend to 
make our own religion. A religion of greed, pride, boasting .We have  laid our 
full trust in human beings who cannot even bring you back to life once you lay 
still. Jesus brought Lazarus from the dead not by himself but with the support 
of His Father. Can we do that ? To be closer to the Father we have to be closer 
to His creations. One cannot love God when he divides His creations on base of 
colour, wealth, caste etc. If we hug the poor and the needy we are hugging our 
creator, our saviour. You can call yourself a christian only if you know to 
love all beings on earth. It is easy to love rich persons on earth. It is 
easier to love a beautiful person on earth but it is really difficult to love a 
dalit, an adivasi person, a harizan !Learn to glorify the Lord. Begin your day 
by praising the Lord Your God. Amen 

Re: [Goanet] Churchianity

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersIn the first case one must read the bible, meditate on the word 
of God and God will reveal about His kingdom to us. Today Pope, Bishops are 
living in Palaces like Kings.Priests are moving about in cars which they 
actually cannot afford and have huge bank accounts. Christianity is not all 
these. Christianity is a simple life where man builds up a rapport with God 
through other human beings. Love is the hub of Christianity. Today there is no 
love in the catholic faith. The bread does not change into the body of Christ 
and if you believe in this then you belong to the old Egyptian religion of God 
ra in which those days the priest used to make wafers of wheat and with 
magnifying lens would transfer the sun's rays on the wheat wafer and bake it. 
Then it was distributed to the members as body of sun god ra. When I look at 
the purple cap of the bishop it reminds me of the bishop of the clan of ra and 
not christian people. I hope you dear fr.ivo has understood what I am trying to 
express. Palaces, riches of the world is not God's domain. albert 
ry re
 From: icsouza@bsnl.iinChris
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:45:43 +0530
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Churchianity
 
 
 From: Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com
The Pope lives in a palace and has a luxurious lifestyle.
 *Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a 
 needle than
 for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God,* said Jesus Christ. The Pope
 obviously thinks differently! He has more in common with a CEO of a global
 corporation or Head of State than Jesus of Nazareth.
 ** If you claim to be anti-Christ, why do you quote Jesus?
 You are quoting Jesus outside the context.
 Jesus speaks of the hardened rich who are not open to others.
 The Pope is surely not. Wealth is not his personal possession.
 He is also the Head of the State, as he is the spiritual Father of the 
 Christian community.
 The Pope is within the Church and for the Church. This is Christianity, not 
 Churchianity...
 
  Every Sunday priests claim, and millions of Roman Catholics pretend,
  the host and wine are really the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Now,
  that's taking a lie a bit too far even for a psychologically divided 
  people,
  wouldn't you say? We Roman Catholics, millions and millions of us, have
  nothing to lose but our chains, our lies!
 **Not only every Sunday, but every day and every moment of a day, the
 Christian believes in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. There are 
 reasons to believe.
 You will not know it, because you had not Christian education...You cease to 
 be a Catholic. if you do not believe it.
 You claim to be anti-Christ...
 
  The representative of God, the Pope speaks for God or so I'm told by
  the Roman Catholic Church. Does God speak only through him and his priests
  and never through ordinary mortals?...Where is the truth?
 ***Do you accept authority in the secular world? Then what is your problem?
 How would you answer: Where is the truth? The Pope speaks for God, he is 
 the final authority,
 together with the episcopal body, to interpret the Christian Revelation 
 (Scripture and living Tradition).
 
 Only the priestly class is happy as it provides them with a job, an
  opportunity for service...
 **Priesthood is a vocation within the Christian vocation. Ex-priests and 
 ex-seminarians
 are not at a loss for secular jobs. It is one of the best and most difficult 
 services on earth.
 
   Joao Barros-Pereira aka The Anti-Christ
  Have a nice Sunday!
 **Again, you are the anti-Christ, trying to spoil our Sundays...
 Regards.
 Fr.Ivo
 
  

Re: [Goanet] The Psychology of Roman Catholicism

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersWe cannot afford to become half baked christians. Many of us are 
just christians because our parents took us to church and forced baptism on us. 
Many of us are so callled christians because we go to Mass on sunday but how 
many of us really pray through our hearts ? Wearing rosaries round our necks, 
saying rosaries three to four times a day, attending novenas, masses everyday 
and receiving sacraments does not make us christians. Jesus never received 
baptism till he was 30 years old. Till 30 he was preparing the way to te 
baptism. Along with baptism he received the strength from the Holy Spirit and 
assurance from the Almighty God to go a head with his mission and because of 
that three years has enough to change many hard earned jews towards him. Today 
the so called Roman Catholics who think they are the joneros of Heaven 
(gaunkars) do not know the bible. Our leaders do not touch the bible. We 
criticise anyone who preaches the word of God and we try to put hurdles . We 
laugh at those who have gone away from the catholic church and condem them to 
hell with our words but how many of you know where heaven is and  whether we 
will really golo there ? Do you think Mary will help us ? I say no because she 
has never promised us heaven. why should she do something against the will of 
the God ? Do we love any of God's creations ? we divide ourselves based on 
religion, caste, colour .Our parents are longing for our love in homes for the 
aged. Our children are longing for the embrace of their parents. Husband and 
wives are waiting for a divorce. Many have aborted their children. Many want 
just one or two . Courts are filled with cases that the law department does not 
know what to do.  Jails are full. Every where scams. cheating lies. etc. mostly 
catholics. Poor people build palaces for rich people to rule us. In the name of 
God the church property has been sold .Who is building the churches we and who 
are maintaining the churches we. what do the so called religious give us ? 
Nothing. They do not put anything in the collection box on sundays. Every thing 
is dump on the lay people .We think that we are giving to God but in fact we 
are giving to the ...God bless you. We ourselves have become antichrist. We 
do not know what is faith. Christianity means loving God and loving your 
neighbour. albert de souza 
 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 02:39:06 -0800
 From: nascy...@yahoo.com.au. To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Psychology of Roman Catholicism
 
 Goanetters all,
 Goan Catholics  beware! The New Anti-Christ has just come up from his Satanic 
 place below. Does this silly man have to bring up this sort of stuff on a non 
 religious forum like goanet? Who is he kidding?
 
 Nascy Caldeira.
 
 --- On Sun, 9/1/11, Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com wrote:
   The Psychology of Roman Catholicism
  
   As a child of twelve I was taken
  to the local church on a Sunday, which
  I will never forget because it was so humorous. What struck
  me immediately
  were the great number of old, old people, a few young men
  and women, and of
  course a lot of pre-adolescent boys and girls of my age who
  were being
  shepherded lest we go astray for life.
  
  
 
 
 
   
  

Re: [Goanet] Boycott bigotry!

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersWe have been adoring the foreigners from time immemorial. When 
we went with our school children at Pascual's spice garden and when Pascual was 
taking our children round he would instruct us to maintain silence because the 
firgim (foreigners ) do not like noise. At one place our children had to move 
out with their food packets because the foreigners had to pass that way. 
Finally I had to give the owner my piece of advice and I told him that if he 
was so much in love with foreigners and if he adored them as earthly gods he 
should not allow us goans in. We had paid entrance ticket and did not come 
there free. Please refund our money and we will move out. With that he kept his 
mouth shut and avoided the word foreigners for the rest of the time. Once we 
entered a shack at candolim many many years ago and wanted to have beer over 
there.  Hem fokot foreigneranku. ami tumcam beer serve korinam This is only 
for foreigners we do not serve beer over here. Albert de sou
 za 

 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:51:17 +0530
 From: rskakod...@yahoo.co.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet]  Boycott bigotry!
 
 Dear Fukot Advisor jc,
  
 In Konknni we say: Sovai khan fugechem! 
  
 Sovai fugechem, then fukot could be worse?
  
 While almost all posts in the Bomras thread are centred around 
 discrimination, your posts are lost in tresspass, which is not an issue, even 
 probably to Bomras' owner.  
  
 Your (a) is misplaced: there are Consumer laws and obligations.
 Your (b) is full of bias: Don't tell me you never noticed foreigners and Goan 
 high class eating out at filthy gaddes, along with filthy rag pickers. That 
 the gaddes or rag pickers are filthy does not mean they are inferior. Rag 
 pickers have superior immunity (than foreigners, high class, you or me) to 
 withstand the lower hygienic conditions. Gaddes offer superior taste with a 
 niche of its own, which 5 stars cant. And your (and mine) hygienic status 
 which we consider as high may be sub standard relative to some other person's 
 standards. Can that person look down upon you as you did with gadde eaters? 
 Your (c) defeats accepted systems: Tips are post service, depending upon 
 service. Many clubs use tips as a criteria for promotions/ salary hikes to 
 stewards and waiters. 
  
 Having repented for wasting time on fukot advice this far, I didn't read 
 further fukot scap.
 
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

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Roman Catholics have a feeling of superiority. They always believe that theirs 
is the true religion founded by Christ and that we are all saved. Apart from 
hearing masses, and saying rosaries and attending feasts which are stereotype 
what do we have to say we are the children of God ? Nothing. John was from 
labour class. He lived in an ouNow tthouse of one rich catholic widow and did 
all her work. He lived with his wife and three children. None of the members 
ever went to school. John's mother looked after the kitchen when all the five 
family members went to work. They did not know to pray either and sometimes 
they had to work on sundays so going for mass was impossible. Many devout 
catholics made him work on sundays and paid him less because poor John did not 
know much of money matters. He had no savings and the day there was no work 
there was no food. It was Good friday. People were rushing to the church. John 
was busy breaking an old tree of a pious religious lady in her b
 ack yard. He was not even aware that it was Good friday. Just then someone 
rebuked him and shouted at him for not going to church. It was the day of 
penance and fasting. You have to go to church shouted the good old lady. Poor 
John felt hurt that he was not attending the church and left his work rushed 
home and wore a crumpled old shirt and made his way to the church. Everyone's 
gaze was on his crumpled shirt. Some one next to him caught his hand and asked 
him whether he could not iron his shirt. It was in the month of October. John 
was sitting outside his house . His mother was critically ill in Govt. hospital 
and he could not go to work .Two members of his family had to remain in the 
hospital. A couple came to his door and wanted to speak about christ. John got 
irritated and said  Christ is for those whose stomach has its fill not for 
poor John who has not been able to get food because there is no work. What will 
I do with your sermon on Christ ? I want money.  The husba
 nd opened his purse and gave him some dole and went away promissing to come 
again. Next day a team of helpers descended at his house. They were a group of 
protestants. They promised to send his children to school and promised to give 
John a decent job. John's children went to school. John and his wife got a job 
on monthly salary with free food at their centre. John and his family were free 
on sundays and attended Praise and worship. His clothes were now different, his 
looks were now different. His family was very happy. Some of the catholics 
around his house came to know that John had become a believer and they went to 
his house. They fired him for joining that group. You will be condemned to hell 
. You will not get your last sacraments. save your soul John. This time John 
really got angry. He stood straight and put his chest out and said. Did you 
know that John really existed on this soil ? I wore crumpled clothes and you 
made me work on sundays and even of Good friday that
  time you never thought I had a soul. You paid me less and I accepted it. No 
one thought about my children's education .Now that I have become a believer 
and got my identity that I am a child of God you thought of my salvation and my 
soul. Don't worry My God will save me for my heart is with God .albert de souza 
   
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Re: [Goanet] Novem Vors, Novem Avhan

[Albert Desouza]

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We are worried about the world. we are all praying for world leaders. Let us 
pray for our families for families make the world. For our religious saying 
masses and celebrating feast will not bring salvation to humanity. Jesus never 
said mass. he never told us to say rosary. Mary never told us that she is the 
mother of God for God cannot have a mother and if he does then he is not god. 
Mary was not a preacher. she spoke very little but her action had meaning. She 
did just one thing. She gave us Jesus .That was her mission. She followed just 
two things. One was to do the will of God and the second was to show concern 
for others. Today the so called Roman catholics along with their religious 
sections do not do the will of God nor have any concern for others. For the 
married God spoke to us in Genesis.  Increase and multiple and fill the world. 
if that is so why family planning for us ? Regarding concern for others there 
is no love existing on earth today. The church cares for the poor only during 
christmas when they suddenly think of the crib and christmas. Do they do 
anything for the poor ? there are various kinds of poor. some without money and 
others without love and help. If we were true christians why do many people 
live under a roof which is open. Live with one meal a day. Why are our parents 
in the home for the aged. and the list is endless. stop celebrating useless 
feasts. Stop the dos and don'ts. Do we care for the lay people ? albert de 
souza 

 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:31:02 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet]   Novem Vors, Novem Avhan
 
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 NOVEM VORS, NOVEM AVHAN
 
 *Dr.Ivo da Conceição Souza
 
 Adlem vors gelem, Novem Vors aylem. Az amim don vichar amchya monant haddche: 
 poile svater, amchya jivitant kitem unnem zalam? Kitem borem amim kelam? Hem 
 novem vors yeta, tem Devachem dennem. Koxem hanvem tem sarchem? Dusre svater, 
 amchya Bharatant  khorelo vikas zala zayt? Ozunii amchya  desant gulam'giri 
 vosta  vo na? Amchya Goyant eka panzreantlim bhayr soron, amim dusrya  
 panzryant poddunk na mu? Dubhavaviret, iontrik-tontrik  mollar khup progoti 
 zalya: novim yontram, songhodon (kom'puter), durbhas (telefon), 
 somporksadhnam, cyber age. Ponn tyach borobor amchyan mhonnum yeta: 
 Bharatant durbollkay khup komi zayt gelya? Durboll amchya desant kitle asat 
 gay? Jevonn naxil'le kitle  amchya rostyancher loll'tat  gay?  Kochryachea  
 dobyamni poddlolem jevonn kitle sodhunk vetat zayt?
 
  
 
 Bharatachem Chitr: Khorench mhollyar durbollkay vhodd promanant asa (40 
 tok'ke). Amchya Bharatacher ani mannkulya Goym-desacher kallim  kupam 
 poddlyant. Somajik, noytik, rajki  mollar--krimi-chorio,  khun, bholatkar, 
 broxttachar, onit, maramari, goondagiri, dadagiri. On-Goenkar  ispabhayr 
 bhorleat, Goyenkar nopoyt  zayt vetat--mortat, porkya desamni vetat, aplim 
 ghoram viktat, thoddim bhurgim zolma yetat. Goynchi osmitai sompon veta... 
 Hyo khol-khol bhasabhas korpacheo gozali!
 
  Ozunii puri svotontray amkam mellunk na... Durbollkay, bekari, bhikxa, 
 mullavya  mon'xall hok'kancher akromon chalu asach! Nit-promannikponn nattak  
 kelya. Bholatkar vaddlyat. Don payanche undir (chor) choddlyat. Rajki mollar 
 sogllench girgirem, chorancho khell. Montryam modinch osle chor sampoddlyat. 
 Bharati/Goynche projek hi loz. Lokxayeche vaddre-thirpatte amim kelyat... 
 Ontoskorn naxil'le monis unch choddlyat ani amkam pillnnuk ditat. Tankam ami 
 motam ditat, tankam ami nivddun haddtat. Makddam bhaxen vhoyrthaun apli 
 xempddi dakhoytat! Ami Goenkar, amchyach Goyam porki...
 
  
 
 Goyam Kitem Cholta Zayt?  Broxttachar choddla, projechi koslich porva na, 
 dekhun xharamni ani ganv-ganvamni ghoram kosley toren bandtat. Kos­lich 
 manddavoll na. Nitollsann na, veta thoynsor zhompddyo-koyr-mhell. Kim'sam ani 
 chyar payanchey undir bhorlyat. 

Re: [Goanet] New Goan Identity

[Albert Desouza]

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Dear GoanettersRoman Catholic Church is not the one that Christ founded from 
the cross. It is just another branch of the old Egyptian church. You can go 
website www.sun god ra or any website which will give clear picture of those 
churches and these churches. Since we have our roots in Rome it is just natural 
that they love to live in palaces and in luxury. The church has written its own 
history. While there cannot be mother of God the church has declared Mary as 
Mother of God. Mary was not immaculate conception and she did not ascend into 
heaven body and soul .While actually Jesus was born between May and august the 
Roman catholic church has fixed the date of birth on 25th dec the day egyptian 
celebrated the feast of sun god ra. albert 

 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:44:40 +0900he 
 From: joaobarrospere...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] New Goan Identity
 
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 NEW BOOK:  'PATRIOTISM IN ACTION: Goans in Indias Defence Services'
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 former Chief of Indian Army Staff
and Governor, Punjab  Administrator, Chandigarh UT
 
 
 For copies of this book see footer of this message
 
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 New Goan Identity
 
 The good news we're told is that God chose to have his son born in a
 stable.
 
 
 That's what I read on Goanet a few days ago. Why doesn't God's
 representative choose to live in a stable if it is so wonderful I wonder?
 Why does the Head of the Roman Catholic Church choose to live in a palace?
 Maybe, this is a problem of theology for some, for me it is pure hypocrisy!
 
 
 No stable for the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Goa either. It is
 unstable.  What fun!
 
 
 While the Church would like us to give to the poor, the Vanxem Roman
 Catholic Church has sold land to a builder from outside Goa. Development? Is
 this the way to peace within or in Goan society? Last year was indeed a very
 merry merry year for the Roman Catholic Church. What hypocrisy!
 
 
 The sheep of the Roman Catholic Church see what the Holy Roman Catholic
 Church does, and naturally, they do the same! What is good enough for the
 Church is good enough for me is no doubt a popular refrain. Better than
 Sunburn, eh?
 
 
 Hypocrisy is a dangerous thing! It destroys our authenticity and makes us
 psychologically unsound. It turns our life into a battlefield, a conflict
 zone, making it a living hell! No harmony withih, no peace of mind.
 
 
 Now, what can we do about it? Unless the sheep learn to vote with their
 feet, there is no hope.
 
 
 Our young people have started to move away from the hypocrisy of the Church.
 They want to own their own lives, to regain their own consciousness. As I
 see it, there is no hope for the older generation. The young people are our
 hope, they have found a way out, an exit. Good news!
 
 
 For the New Goan to be born the Old Goan has to die. We have to realize the
 Church is not the solution; it is the problem. Either we do so or learn to
 live in a divided psychological state until death sets us free. Cheers!
 
 
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[Goanet] Goan net

[Albert Desouza]

NEW BOOK: Patriotism in Action: Goans in India's Defence Services. With
Foreword by Gen SF Rodrigues, PVSM, VSM, ADC (retd) former Chief of Indian
Army Staff and Governor, Punjab  Administrator, Chandigarh UT. See details
below of where the book is available.
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Dear FriendsGoanet now has become insipid. Instead of each one writing  a 
separate item on the net and some of them are just trying to wash the other 
person's linen goanet can be made into a nice reading material .Goanet should 
be ne posting as it used to before. It should include some events that have 
taken place somewhere. Some photos of noted charactersTake for example. There 
is some festival in saligao or some competition or parent's day in a school. 
One or two photographs or some schools villages have won some tournaments a 
photograph . So our goan nett should be in sections. 1.important news. 2. 
important . 3. netters' opinion. etc. some poems, some songs composed by non 
professionals.flicker photos u tubes etc etc.albert de Souza

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Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: ‘Margai’ (Veg gies/fruits/fish/cha-pani etc)

[Albert Desouza]

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Mogal Mhojea GoyemkaranoTumi atam rodtat bazaaran soglem marog zalam mhonn. 
Guneao konnacho ? Tujo ani mhojo. Goyemkara lagim xhettam, suvat assa punn vell 
nam. Amcam vell assa dukonani bosson politic ullounk. Vell assa tv serial 
pollounk. Punn vell nam ilem verdur xhettant galun tem voir kaddunk. Mhojo pai 
Qatar kam kortalo. Hanv tednam ek lhan bhurgo assurlom ani ek faut mhojo pai 
vochpak assa mhonnlear anven tendlemchem pall jem amchea cuznant main 
khoimchori tori  lavpak dovorlelem tem hanven suitcasin galem. Tem tendlichem 
pall Qatar pavlem ani suitcase ugodlea uprant pain tem voron bhair reven 
purlem. Tea pallan mull getlem ani taka panna ieupak laglim. Mattou galpak 
zainam zaun tem zomnir zaupak laglem ani taka khup xhi tendlim zalin. Albert  
We then went to a vegetable stall within the panjim Market.
  
 Panch Rupia Losunn ani Pach Rupia Alem di re..
 They had a good laugh (some of them known to me, for I buy f
 ruits from them)
 ‘What’s o funny’ she asked.
 Believe me or not I too did not catch  up with the joke
 Once I found out, I felt really embarrassing.
  
 Rs.5 garlic?
 They won’t even give you  garlic for Rs.20 as 100g alone cost Rs.32
  
 
  
 What about the piyao or onion?
 I remember, in UK, we bought 10kg onion bag for 1.99 pounds
  (=Rs.140)
 In here with that 140 you will not even get 3 kgs.
 Onion is sold for Rs. 0kg (it was Rs.80)
  
 Then she is going on and on..
 I said to her ‘ puro ghe saibinni, ho bazaar kela to, 
 chol ya ami ghara’
  
 Going home without buying fish? She asked.
 Then I took her to the nearby Fish market, knowing she finds 
 everything expensive or 'Marog' I  pointed out portions of lepo 
 or sole fish assuming this is the cheapest item 
 in the fish market. (Lepos are are favourite too)
 But no, the vantto is for Rs.50. She said ‘avoi, Masolli kitu marogu’
  (she is another xastikan like me but spent over 10 years in Ilhas)
  
 Then I asked her, where we should go for tea?
 She said  why not ‘cafe Bhonsle’ - Since our car is parked around there?
  
 Ordered a bhaj-pau, mirchi plate and a cup of tea each
 And the bill was Rs.90 – She exclaimed 
 ‘Goyant soglem marog uz' mure’
 She then  said ‘yesterday didn’t we have two fish curry rice (thali),
  with 2 extra rice and we paid a total of Rs. 70 for two of us?
 I said yes.
 So next time, I said,  will go for dinner instead of Cha Bhaji Pao.
 She agreed- If only we waited till 7pm for dinner.
 (We came out of the Cafe at 6.30pm)
  
 At home she was going on and on this topic ‘Margai’
 Which made me to come back to the Panjim Market
 and capture the common veg/fruits items and pass it on to you
 along with the price list as on today 27th Dec. 2010
  
 Hope you find it interesting too
  
  
  
 This Piyav or Khando (Onion) Rs.60 per kg (come down from Rs.80)
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk34/5287787831/sizes/l/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk34/5287784957/sizes/l/
  
 losunn (Garlic) Rs.320/kg
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk33/5296418577/sizes/l/
  
 Alem (Ginger) Rs.110/kg
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk33/5297020662/sizes/l/
  
 Cauliflower Rs.30
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk34/5288380266/sizes/l/
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 Linbu or limbe or Lemons Rs.2 each
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 Tomattam (Tomatoes) Rs.40/kg
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 Gazor (Carrots) Rs.40/kg
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 Bottatte (Potatoes) Rs.20/kg
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 Refuj (Cabbage) Rs.25/kg
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 Fruits:
 Laranjam or musumbhi  or Oranges Rs.100 for 5 or 6
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 Apol (Apples) Rs,150/kg
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 Daku (grapes) 
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 Green Rs.100
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 This sontram (Tangerines) Rs.50 for 4
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 Fish (Nustem)
 Lepo or tongue fish or sole fish Rs.50 per portion (Vantto)
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 Small size bangdde (Mackerels)  Rs.50 for 10
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 Bombil (Bombay ducks) Rs.100/kg
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 Chau-Bhaji-Pao at Cafe Bhosle Rs.45
 Mirchi (15), Bhaji-Paum (20)  Small cup to tea (10)
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[Goanet] Get together

[Albert Desouza]

Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at 
Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread  More) in Panjim. Do come 
along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm).

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Dear GoanettersThis is for those studying in st Anthony's High School Monte de 
Guirim and were in SSC during the year 1967-68 .We have named ourselves as 1968 
batch. We were 100 of us who appeared for SSC at that time.We met a number of 
times here and there and had a get together after nearly 40,41 years. 
Unfortunately some of them have died and cannot meet us. Last time we met on 
the 17th of November at Monte de Guirim .We had a nice time for few hours that 
we were there trying to remember the old good days. There are many of those 
whom we cannot contact because we do not have their phone numbers or address 
and if by any chance these boys are on the net please come for the xmas get 
together on the 9th January 11 at Hotel Reveira. Panjim at 7 pm.Bring your 
family along with you and we will meet and share our love together. Of course 
we pay for the expenses no doubt and so bringing your children will be ok. 
Albert de Souza   

[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- Christmas means the birth of the Jesus. The word became flesh 
and dwelt into this world.God came into this world in the form of Jesus to 
bring us salvation. Jesus gave us assurance that he would lead us to the 
father.Is our religion bringing us salvaton ? No. As long as the catholics do 
not embrace Jesus in word and in thought no salvation can come to us. In the 
life of Jesus he assured Nicodemus salvation. Today he is assuring us 
salvation. We are after worldly gods. We have been embracing instruments that 
are paganic. No human beings can save us except christ then why do we not 
embrace Christ and holding his hand we go to the Father. God himself has 
promised to become our Father. He has promised salvation to us. He has promised 
to look and take care of us. Let us hold God's hand and fall into an embrace 
with Him and allow God to love and nourish us with his loving self. In this 
christmas let us take a resolution not to care too much for statues but to read 
bible and make it part of our self. Every right step in this world is mentioned 
in the Bible. God speaks to us in the Bible and unless and until we make a 
habit and pray to the Lord our God directly by opening our hearts we will 
remain as strangers in the eyes of God. Amen

[Goanet] God's gift to us

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- God has created so many plants on this earth but many of us are 
not aware the usefulness of these plants. I shall take few today. Many times we 
have cuts on our body and tend to rush to a doctor who will use all sorts of 
chemicals that will destroy our body. Tumeric powder if put on the wound or 
even burn will cure the wound in one or two days. Even burns. Onion can cure 
colds and fever. In case of flu do not rush to your doctor who will dose you 
with antibiotics and stereoids. Smash one or two onions and get the juice and 
pour it on your head and body. Just take few onions and smash them and rub the 
onions on the whole body starting from the head and tie the onion pulp on the 
head and sleep. Take rest the next day as you will be smelling of onions but 
fever and flu will dissappear the next day leaving no side effects or weakness. 
Garlic can reduce your blood pressure and so if you are suffering from high 
blood pressure take one or two flakes of garlic smash it and mix it with rice 
and swallow.Take care not to eat too much of garlic as it can cause piles/. If 
you are suffering from acidity instead of taking gellusil which contains 
aluminium and zinc harmful for the kidneys take cumin (jeera) and roast it on 
the pan and put the seeds in boiling water and let the water cool and drink it 
whole day. If you are having dry cough specially at nights then take little 
warm water and put one or two teaspoonful of honey and drink it. Give your 
child honey every morning and they will become strong. One teaspoon of cinnamon 
powder and one teaspoon of honey taken early in the morning can cure diabetes. 
Chillies kill germs in your body and corriander taken in food reduces heat in 
the body.Incase of motion take rice and fry it on a pan along with cumin seeds 
and pour it in boiling water and drink it the whole day.For cold you may take a 
piece of ginger smash it on the grinder and put the piece in four cups of water 
and add tulsi leaves. boil and drink the water the whole day. Your cold will 
come out of your body. Incase you have  painful boil and has become septic and 
feel like going to the doctor who will lance it and allow the pus to flow and 
then you will have to take antibiotics . Instead take a leaf of aloevera which 
is called kantekor in konkani and roast it on a pan. allow it to cool a bit and 
tie it on the painful boil .You wait and see the next day your pus will ooze 
out by itself and relief you of all pain.  

[Goanet] for reference of TAG

[Albert Desouza]

There is a cultural society of Goans in UK and they are doing yomen services to 
preserve konkani in UK. Every easter season they organise konkani tiatr in 
which lots of goans take part. Last year they had staged vistidachi sunn. 
Previous to that they had staged my tiatr Mummy maka vengent dor . I do not 
know what are doing this year. Many of them want to be included in the new 
tiatrist directory that is going to be published soon. It would nice if we 
support this group and include the characters in their society in our new 
tiatrist directory that will be published soon. Albert de 
souzaalizadeso...@hotmail.com  

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutionsi

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersA few handful citizens called freedom fighters cannot rule goa. 
Infact they as freedom fighters have done nothing to liberate Goa from the 
hands of portuguese and hence all other goans not included in the list of 
freedom fighters should come together and fight to stop the pension and other 
benefits of these freedom fighters as they had not done anything for our goa 
nor are doing anything to prevent our land being robbed by sharks .albert 

 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:11:02 +0530
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutionsi
 
 
 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
 U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote:
  Gabe Menezes question (refer: Message: 2, Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010): Does 
  it
  mean that to bring about a complete reversal, Catholics will have to 
  revert
  to Hindu names and also renounce their Religion?
 
  My response:
  Let me rephrase your question: Does it mean that to bring about a 
  complete
  reversal, Hindus have to convert to catholic! And, what are catholics in
  Goa? Nothing less than Hindu converts! So what is preventing you from
  coming back to original fold?
 **Thanks for your invitation, Barad! We do not need Hindu religion, 
 original fold,
 which our ancestors have left, knowing what they were doing! It is the 
 greatest gift brought to us
 by missionaries, not only Portuguese, but all those unknown harbingers of 
 Christian Faith.
 Do you know that Catholic Church has shaped the world history of 
 civilization?
 That you have imbibed a lot of Christian values and Western-Portuguese 
 ideals?
 That the Christian missionaries have prepared the place where you are 
 living?
 What are the Freedom Fighters doing for today's Goa? Are they struggling for 
 human rights?
 Or are you still showing signs of  schizophrenia? I wish you a change!
 Regards.
 Fr.Ivo
 
 
  RESPONSE: I am quite happy to be where I am, I love eating Beef, can't 
  keep
  an abstinence Friday; wouldn't be able to be a vegetarian for 3/4 days in 
  a
  week and couldn't bring myself down to your level; i.e. be a Hindu and
  nothing else and expect everyone who lives in India to be the same.!
 
  

[Goanet] God and you

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- God lives in You for you are a special person before God. When 
you were in the womb of your mother God knew you and had written a history for 
you.That was God's plan. Today human beings have tendancy to draw up their own 
plan and when it does not match with God's plan you tend to get frustrated and 
curse God for sending you sufferings and misfortunes. We do not need structural 
church to serve God. We do not need great leaders to help us in salvation. we 
ought to be  for able to live with God and the blessings will give us entry 
into heaven. Today most of us have wrong notion of our religion. Will our 
religion bring salvation to us ? To get salvation we need Jesus for Jesus alone 
has given us assurance that if any one wants to reach to the Father they have 
to first reach to him. Inspite of this sound assurance many of us tend to make 
mistakes and write their own hypothesis. We are fooled into a belief that is 
not true . how can human being give such a assurance of something that he has 
not seen before ? How can we talk about the kingdom of God when we have never 
seen God on this earth and we will never see him with our mortal eyes ? How can 
we stand up and talk something that is not been revealed to us by the Father ? 
Does anyone realise the punishment we may receive for this ?What is the use if 
we gain the whole world, have lot of money in our bank and we have received all 
the earthly honours and in the end we just dissappear into the fires of hell ? 
Jesus has spoken of heaven and of hell. He has told us clearly who can enter 
into the kingdom of heaven. He has told us who is the  owner of hell. Our egos 
have drowned us into the reality of life. Our greed has made us a drunkard. Our 
plans to reach the space of the stars have made us what God had not planned and 
so the hair of your head will not move without the will of God. Let us make 
this body of us a temple of the living God. let us embrace God and let us 
praise and worship him. We cannot see God and we cannot see Jesus unless we 
allow him to be born in the stable of our heart so let us clean our self form 
greed, egoism, pride, filty thoughts and deeds etc. 
   

[Goanet] (no subject)

[Albert Desouza]

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Those of us studying in Monte de Guirim and have passed outt in 1968 and of 
course those who have discontinued for various reasons but are still included 
in 1968 batch. Fondly we have named ourselves as Monte de Guirim boys of 
1968.Some from these group met today again after a month at Monte de guirim and 
when we stood on that hill after a long period of time tears rolled down our 
eyes when we saw that we have stood very high on the mountain of life. We began 
with the Holy Mass at 11 am Fr.Paul Alvares was the main celebrant of the mass 
and we thanked the Lord for bounty blessings all  us have received. The group 
was little bigger than last time. We had Peter, Alban, Alex, Rozendo,Assumption 
Aguiar Aguiar (the great man of monte de Guirim) Tony Lewis, Herman Rego, 
Robert Louzado, Albert Goveia, Nogueira,Benjamin Rebeiro,Ambrose,Joe De 
Cruz,and most of us had come with our spouses and when our wives stood up on 
the hill of Monte de Guirim they were not prepared to come down th
 e hill to be back home. For those who do not know what Monte de guirim was 
earlier read further.There were about 700 boarders or more. they were of 
different sizes and different ages. One man was enough to keep everyone on 
their toes. That was the great Fr.Efrem. Of course the other priests also put 
in their effort. There were four big domitries. One for the big boys, one for 
the juniors, one for those in fifth and sixth. The last one was for primary 
.The senior boys woke up at 5.15 am. They had to march out straight to the taps 
for wash, wear white pant and shirt and march to the chapel for mass.The senior 
and junior boys heard mass together and when this mass was over the other boys 
went to the chapel. From there we had to come in a line to the refractory for 
breakfast . There were long tables and benches and the tea glasses were placed 
in the centre of group six . once seated you take your tea and bread was 
served. Take as much as bread one can eat. No wasting. Bread was 
 prepared at Monte Bakery. Butter jam one had to buy and the same was kept in 
safe custody. Then we go back to the domitory to change to school uniform then 
march to the study room till 8.45 or one had the liberty to visit the toilet 
but not the whole time. after school tea and march to the ground for games. 
Then bath either group bath at the well where water flowed from the pipe or 
individually in bathrooms at the top or hot water on payment . Then go to the 
study at sharp 6 pm till 8 pm then rosary then dinner and at nine sleep. Once a 
month a movie was shown to us. Every sunday we were given pork and every feast 
day we would get cakes and nice food. That was life at Monte de Guirim.What 
every one today remarked was that the priest never thought about themselves. 
Their main aim was to put us on a high pedestial at any cost. Unwanted waste of 
time , masti was not tollerated. We had dedicated priests who got no salary , 
neither the society got any money from the government. W
 e paid 35 rupees a month as boarding fees, and 7 rupees a month as school fees 
and many who could not pay must have paid less. We had servant boarders who 
paid nothing but they used to do some menial work like sweeping but ate the 
same food. We had our own pigery, and buffalo stock. Those who could pay would 
get bananas, eggs, milk .There are many who cannot be contacted .Incase you 
come across any one from 1968 batch of monte de guirim please inform them about 
our activity. Some ofthem have passed away. We have Bing Dias, Fr.Felix Ferrao, 
Assis, Jagganath Blaggan who were with us in 1968 but they are no more on this 
earth. Like wise we are missing many of our priests who have passed away like 
Sir velloso, Fr.Efrem, Fr.Chrysosthom, Thomas Mendonca, Rocha and Fr.Fortunatus 
who were our beloved teachers at that time
If any one of you have ill feelings about your monte de Guirim teachers please 
do not express. Yours faithfullyAlbert de Souza 
   

Re: [Goanet] House of FN Souza

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Fredric NoronhaO I am so sorry did not know that FN stands for Fredrick 
Noronha. People who write on the net should have a bit of common sense =and 
give us the full name instead of writing FN. FN can mean Francis Noronha, 
Fredrick Noronha, Philomen Noronha. How am I to know which FN we are refering 
to ? Does anyone know where SG and RG and MS live ? sompem mure te munis amcam 
tv icher sodanch disti poddtat. Nokllo mure tum ? People here do not know 
Albert de souza who lives next door. albert 

 From: gulabm...@sancharnet.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:10:53 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet] House of FN Souza

 Oxem ghoddtta kiteak amcho itihas xellela, ani hachi amkam goykarank fikir
 na.
 Hea vorsant ami Dr. Ernest Borges-achi zolm-xotabdi monoitat. Hea mhan
 Goykarak Goyakaram poros bigor Goykaramni odik man dila, taka tannim mathear
 choddoila. Hanv ojap zaunchona faleam amkam 'Dr. Ernest Borges konn kai
 mhonn Goykaramni vicharlem zalear. Zoxem eka Konknni sonsthechea odheokxan
 mhaka 'Ravindr Kelekar konn kai mhunn halinch vicharlolem. Haka amich
 zababdar. Frederickbab hanv ani tum legit. Niyallun polle.

 Fausto

 Frederick wrote:
 Alberto, how could you say such a thing? Blasphemy! Even if FN Souza
 was irreligious himself.

 The home where Souza lived is like any other village home. I think a
 State like Goa is very adept at not honouring its own. Whether it is
 FN Souza or Frank Moraes (Eugene has rightly pointed out that he
 deserves a journalism college in his name) and even Alfred Rose was
 long denied a State award on the excuse that he was not Goa based.

 Images (taken on a hot summer day) of the house where Souza grew up
 are below. Some pics have village historian Fr Nascimento Mascarenhas
 (currently working on a book on Saligao) in the frame. It's located
 near the Green Bar, and I'm sure Albert will recognise this.


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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- Every moment of our life we ought to bind ourselves to the 
Father which is the main tree and we are the branches. We have to give glory to 
God and we will receive glory only when He wishes to. In God's kingdom there 
are no kings and no scholars except whom God wishes .Many times we glorify 
ourselves. Many times we crown ourselves and seek earthly glory. Earthly glory 
will cease to exist when the sun goes down .Riches make us acknowledged by 
those born in the earth and will return to the earth but the riches that God 
gives are eternal. We cannot glorify those which has no life. We can crown 
those which cannot move or talk. Our life should be God with us. While we hold 
our hands with God on one side we hold our brother's hand the other side. We 
have to love our brother who has no earthly riches and cannot pay us back. Many 
times we are too friendly with the haves and not bothered to reach our hands to 
those who have not. If you call yourself a christian then follow Jesus nd do 
not condemn those who are with him and for him for if we are with Christ then 
why put barriers ? Nothing on this earth can replace Jesus christ the son of 
true God. The bible cannot be replaced with any other form of item which has 
not come to us from christ. The bible contains words coming down to us from God 
either directly or through prophets. We cannot create history when we are not 
kings. If God is our king then the kingdom of God is best known to God alone 
and not to his saints or angels. Mary the mother of Jesus called God as her 
Lord and so it is our duty to put God on higher pedestal then place Jesus 
closer and imitate Mary as the role model of every human beings. Mary did not 
ask us to pray to her. She will not  do that. She has told us to do the will of 
God and so the will of God stated in Genesis is  Increase and multiple and 
fill the earth. Mary had concern for human beings but we her followers do not 
have any concern for others. We do not care for our parents when they are old. 
We do not care for our spouses and we do not love our own children . Then how 
can we be Mary's bakti ? Do not be dongis The dongis are pretending to be 
very holy. They pray like the pharises shaking their whole body as if God is 
sending on them fire from heaven. While we wear white clothes like the earthly 
netas our hearts are full of muck coming from the earth . Greed, hatred, 
jealousy and pride has been blocking our heart that we cannot allow the word of 
God to penetrate into the linnings of our heart. Be born again if your want to 
enter the kingdom of God. Nothing except Jesus can save you and those who try 
to put barriers between christian and christian by placing mother mary as an 
instrument to win your hearts doom to those type of leaders for hell is yours.  
   

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Re: [Goanet] F.N. Souza's house

[Albert Desouza]

To know about FN souza's house we need the full name of FN de souza and the 
location of the house like which waddo the house was situated. One finds it 
difficult to know who  this FN is. I am from saligao and if you give me the 
full name of FN and his full postal address I will reply to you in three days. 
albert 

 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:12:45 +0530
 From: anamari...@dataone.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] F.N. Souza's house

 Would be most grateful if anyone could give me details and location of F.N.
 Souza's house in Saligao. Whats happened to it and who has inherited this
 house.

 Many thanks.
 Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami


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[Goanet] God and You O

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- Jesus fixed his religion on love. It was love that made God 
become flesh and dwell among us. The ten commandments are also based on love 
for God and love for human beings. The word love has vanished from the 
dictionary. Roman Catholics can win a gold medal for celebrating feasts in 
dozen. Every year we celebrate around 400 feasts but our lives have not changed 
at all. We speak loudly the words that have no meaning to us. God created every 
human beings but our earthly religions have divided us and made us bitter 
enemies. Our castes have put big huge partitions between us . Why ? why have we 
built such airtight compartments and have grown seeds of hatred between 
brothers and brothers sisters and sisters ? If a catholic boy wants to marry a 
hindu or muslim girl he has to climb and jump hurdles before he can marry her 
or him. So many times young boys and girls have ended their lives because they 
are left with no energy to win a battle. so many times the relations have 
caused bloodsheds and what not just because the boy selected by the girl from a 
particular family is not of that religion. how many of us really follow our 
religion as God wants us to follow ? Is the sun not shining on the hindus , 
muslims and christians ? even among the christians we have several demonitions. 
The Roman catholics feel they are superior because according to them Jesus 
donated his mother to them but the church received this donation only in 1917 
when the church was spliting. Quo vadis dommini. For whom did you shed your 
precious blood oh Lord when your sacrifice has gone into waste. Forgive us Lord 
for not knowing you. Amen 

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Re: [Goanet] Church Land: Going, Going, Gone

[Albert Desouza]

Dear goanettersWe have been generously donating to the church either towards 
repairs or new construction or maintainance of the church. Every sunday we 
gloriously put money in the collection box of the church. but none of us are 
aware that you are not the member of the particular church which you think 
belongs to you.The church is registered under 1860 society act. There is a MOU  
which is registered in the society. This MOU copy is not available to ordinary 
people like me. No body knows who are the ordinary members of the society and 
the list will never be made available to you on request. This is the hidden 
agenda of the church. So if the particular property is sold it is done by the 
managing committee after having it passed in the general body meeting. so why 
are you making big noise ? You might have donated the land to the church but 
now you are not the owner of the property anymore. You as a catholic is allowed 
to use the church and the cemetry for which you have to pay. Albert de Souza 


 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:16:06 +0530
 From: mmendonz...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; mangaloreancathol...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Goanet] Church Land: Going, Going, Gone

 This is with reference to the article posted by Gabe Menezes under the
 heading Church Land: Going, going, gone.

 Here below is the response to the article which was published in The
 Examiner of October 16, 2010.

 Regards,

 Marshall


 The news report under the caption “Church Land: Going, Going, Gone” by
 Bobby Anthony in the Mid Day Publication (October 6, 2010) is highly
 objectionable and some of its contents misleading.

 **

 *The article begins with “… Several litigation and complaints with various
 authorities point to murky, illegal sale of Church land by vested interests,
 often keeping the community in the dark..”*

 I would like to point out that the Archdiocese of Bombay is made up of
 around 122 churches, each having a separate trust. The Archdiocese has
 always insisted that its Trustees follow civil law, Canon law and the
 particular law of the diocese, particularly when it comes to dealing with
 sale of Church property or incurring any extraordinary expenditure … The
 decision to sell a Church property is made by the local parish to which the
 property belongs, i.e. the Parish Priest along with the Parish Property
 Committee and Parish Finance Committee comprising parishioners of the
 parish. Once they decide to sell the property, the project is then sent for
 approval to the Archdiocesan authorities.

 *The article further speaks about an alleged illegal sale of Church property
 at Thane and states “(William) Mascarenhas in his complaint has accused that
 Cardinal Oswald Gracias and others sold off land belonging to the trust in
 collusion with builders and developers for his personal gain, ‘by concealing
 the true and correct facts before various authorities’, acting against the
 principles and objectives of the trust”.*

 The said property was advertised in the newspapers calling for tenders,
 objections etc. This advertisement was issued by the then Parish
 Priest/Trustee of Thane after following the normal procedure. It is only
 thereafter that the proposal came to the Archdiocesan Finance Committee and
 the College of Consultors for approval. After this, it followed the normal
 legal procedure of obtaining permission of the Charity Commissioner, where
 anyone has an opportunity to object. We are informed that the said William
 Mascarenhas did not raise any objection at that time. Furthermore, when the
 Charity Commissioner sanctioned the sale, Cardinal Oswald Gracias was not
 even the Archbishop of Bombay. He was the Archbishop of Agra and had
 nothing to do with property matters in the Archdiocese of Bombay. His
 Eminence, Oswald Cardinal Gracias, took over as the Archbishop of Bombay
 only on December 14, 2006. The above statement of Mr. William Mascarenhas
 against the Cardinal is highly derogatory and defamatory and liable to legal
 action.*The reporter has also reported than an Administrator is purportedly
 appointed by the Charity Commissioner to monitor the financial affairs at
 St. John the Baptist Church, Thane.*

 This is completely false and a fabrication of the reporter.



 *With regard to the church land at Marinagar, Mahim, the article states “the
 sale of church land at Marinagar, Mahim, raised a big storm in the
 community. ‘Only after we took out a morcha to the Archbishop’s House
 recently that they finally admitted that our land was sold…” said advocate
 Sodder, who is also secretary of Our Lady of Vailankanni  Perpetual Succor
 (OLVPS) Co-operative Housing Society at Marinagar, Mahim”.*

 This statement by advocate Arcanjo M. Sodder, that the Marinagar property
 has been sold, is false and misleading. Perhaps he has been misquoted, or
 he is not in possession of the facts, or there could be a malicious intent
 or vested interest.

 

[Goanet] Past memories

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersWhen I was a student of St.Anthony's High school Monte de 
Guirim, we were 100 of us in the SSC. That was in 1968. There were different 
type of students in that badge. Some had intelligence of very high frequency, 
others had moderate frequency and still others were to pull on the days. 
Somewhere down the line the school thought of celebrating fifty years of the 
school and had ex student's renunion. Somehow for some reason I could not 
attend and I missed to meet my friends after many years.Somewhere after around 
40 years some few friends thought of meeting and have a get together and a 
place in Panjim was set for the meeting.We were meeting after 40 years. it was 
really very difficult to say who was who and it took us time to recollect those 
days at monte de Guirim. Those were the days. Again one or two of them who 
could not meet at that time thought of having another get together at the same 
place with our wives and we met on the 24th October atReveira hotel Panjim and 
spend the whole after noon just talking and laughing . Our wives too were happy 
getting a holiday from the kitchen .We had with us Fr.Paul Alvares the present 
headmaster of Monte de Guirim and also an ex student of the school passed out 
in 1975 and we all enjoyed a reunion . We have named our group as 68 batch of 
monte de Guirim. We remembered our teachers. Fr.Ephrem, Fr, Fortunatus, 
Fr,Chrysostom, Fr.Arnold, Fr.Terence, Sir Abraham, Velloso, Thomas Mendonca 
etc. Our meeting ended at 5 pm. still many did not want to leave the 
place.Albert de Souza
  

Re: [Goanet] A query re: Travel to Goa

[Albert Desouza]

Dear readerI am not afraid of mosquittoes. somehow they do not trouble me. I 
take a good dose of Feni. The first half of the night I am drunk and the latter 
part of the night the mosquittoes are drunk and that solves the problemalbert 


 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:11:20 -0700
 From: elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] A query re: Travel to Goa

 Dear Nadine,
 I've always found those fiddly malaria tablets too troublesome to administer 
 to
 children. And if I'm not mistaken their efficacy is less than desirable. I 
 have
 a daughter and I've always used Odomos which protects her from mosquito bites
 and mosquito-borne diseases. Close all doors and windows by six in the evening
 and you'll cut down on the number of mosquitos entering the house. There is 
 also
 a bat sold in India, with a mild current, which is excellent at zapping
 mosquitos.


 Other than these minor precautions, you are no more likely to get ill in Goa
 than you are in say London or New York.

 Best,
 Selma



  

Re: [Goanet] Rename 'Garcia de Orta' say Goa's FFs

[Albert Desouza]

If our goan freedom fighters want to do away with the legacy of portuguese then 
the freedom fighters should wear dotir, with a shirt over it and a black or 
white cap on the head. Albert de souza 

 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:49:42 -0700
 From: gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rename 'Garcia de Orta' say Goa's FFs
 
 If The Goa, Daman and Diu Freedom Fighters Association want to truly get rid 
 of 
 the Portuguese legacy, please ask them to give up cooking using:
   Tomatoes
   Chillies
   Potatoes
   Pineapples
   Cashew
 and all the varieties of mangoes and bananas we have in Goa.   These and more 
 (see an article by Dr. Nandkumar Kamat some years ago) are due to the legacy 
 the 
 Portuguese have left behind. 
 
 
 Also, get rid of the architectural beauties, like the pergolas in the Panjim 
 garden, the Campal garden (Francisco Luis Gomes) and Dona Paula. And while 
 they're about it, let them get rid of the Francisco Luis Gomes statue and the 
 garden as he was a Portuguese too (as were all Goans at the time) and one of 
 the 
 earliest parliamentarians to represent Goa in the Portuguese Cortes. 
 
 
 Oh, what about the pedestals on which the Jawan/Kisan are standing on at 
 Miramar 
 (it represents the journey of Afonso de Albuquerque, the statue of whom was 
 taken down), the pedestal in Old Goa which relates odes of Luis de Camoes 
 (the 
 man's statue was taken down), should these not be broken up? That brings me 
 to 
 the edifice built to commemorate Infante D. Henrique, in front of the 
 military 
 hospital - should this be left standing?  Also, what about the connection 
 between Old Goa and Panjim - that is the oldest standing and probably the 
 longest causeway in India, built by the Portuguese? Why only rename? Why not 
 go 
 on a rampage a la Fontainhas and break every edifice the Portuguese built and 
 rebuild Goa in the Indian style and make it look more like what they are used 
 to 
 in the form of shanty towns of Delhi and Mumbai?
 
 By the way, how about these so-called Freedom Fighters getting back Dabolim 
 from 
 the Indian Navy, thus doing something constructive? 
 
 
 Stupid, ignorant, hypocrites!
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
  To: goa...@goanet.org
  Sent: Fri, 22 October, 2010 2:48:12 PM
  Subject: [Goanet] Rename 'Garcia de Orta' say Goa's FFs
  
  Rename 'Garcia Da Orta' say FFs
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5098527697/sizes/l/
   
 
 
 
   
  

Re: [Goanet] SELF DEFENCE CATHOLIC ASSOCIATIONS.

[Albert Desouza]

Dear readersThe catholic lay people are to be blamed for the mess in the 
catholic church. I am refering to the assets and finances of the church. We are 
always over generous while giving to the church. We want to make a big show and 
many times open our purses to give donations which goes elsewhere. Every sunday 
we pour money in the basket. I have never seen priests and nuns open their 
purses. In Goa the church is registered as a society registered under the 
society act 1860 but till today the church has remain so silent about this 
society as what is the name of the society, how many ordinary members it has, 
who are the governing body members, who are the minutes of the general body 
meeting or governing body meeting. They are afraid that the other catholics may 
want to get in this society. We are all left in the dark and we think that this 
church is ours, this property of the church is ours and it is our duty to 
repair the church etc.That means there is a scam and we are afraid. If tomorrow 
our churches are closed the assets can be divided between members of that 
society and we the philantrophist will get nothing. If you are allowed to be 
burried in the cemetry this society is doing us a favour. Amchem kaim nam. In 
Goa we are collecting lakhs of rupees towards mission. Do we have any mission 
in Goa ? our missionaries go to foreign countries and when they come to Goa 
they boast they are missionaries. it is the duty of Goa church o look after its 
sheep who are running here and there for the word of God.The church does not 
have obligation to send priests to Africa. When your own house is in disorder 
what can you set right your neighbour's house ? Our catholics are loaded with 
problems which the church has no time to solve. Divorce is increasing, drug 
absuse by youngsters is also increasing. Alcoholism and poverty is increasing. 
We have caritas which collects like mission sunday one collection. i have never 
seen caritas coming to the help of the poor and the downtrodden. we have so 
many under nourished christian families. We have alcoholic problems in our 
families. we have unemployment in our families. Does the church feel the heart 
beat or the low pulse beat of the poor ? No never. They will screw everyone 
when times come for collections or repairs of the church but they will not 
spend anything for us. Quo vadis Domino. Albert de souza 
or Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:27:22 +0530
 From: jorgep...@gmail.com
 To: 
 Subject: [Goanet] SELF DEFENCE CATHOLIC ASSOCIATIONS.
 
 The Catholic Clergy are not interested in utilizing Church assets,
 resources  vacant properties for the benefit of our poor catholics.
 The Catholic Schools are not prepared to reserve 25% seats in catholic
 schools for our poor catholics. The Catholic Hospitals are giving
 concessions to poor non-catholics but not to our poor catholics. The
 Catholic Missionaries are using their foreign funds to serve poor
 non-catholics but not our poor catholics. All in all nobody cares for
 poor catholics. No Wonder many of our poor catholics have left the
 catholic  hurch. Where there is no life, there is no attraction. A
 dead person is still dead, no matter how good the undertaker makes him
 look. So also a church which does not care about the poor parishoners.
 
 The Bishops, Priests, Missionaries  will not bother about the opinion
 of the lay catholics. The lay catholics should set up their local
 associations to help each other and train each other in Combat so that
 the lay catholics are prepared for self-defence as and when the enemy
 decides to replicate the anti-christian kandhmal experiment.
 
 Jorge D'souza
 Bombay.
  

Re: [Goanet] A miracle in a Chilean mine

[Albert Desouza]

Dear friendsReally this is a miracle. God works miracles in our lives too 
everyday but we are not aware. The sun shines over our head without falling 
though it is just in space, the planets are in space. So many times nations 
sends some objects very heavy and mighty and many times these break and fall or 
fail and fall but many times very little damage is done. God is love. Let us 
thank the Lord for saving the 33 workers . it is extraordinary miracle. Praise  
God for ever. This miracle should be an eyeopener for those who have forgotten 
God completely, for those who depend on their own might and Power. yes God is 
there and not only there but He is our loving Father. No father harms his 
children. Let God be praised. albert de souza 

 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:34:50 +0530
 From: mmendonz...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] A miracle in a Chilean mine
 
 Here is an extraordinary story of 33 Chileans trapped in the mines for 69
 days before being rescued. It is truly an awe inspiring story and of faith
 in God triumphing over physical ordeal. Read on.
 
 Regards,
 
 Marshall
 
 The dramatic rescue of the 33 Chilean miners trapped underground longer than
 anyone else in recorded history has captivated the world. For 69 days, they
 somehow kept themselves alive nearly half a mile underground in 86-degree
 heat and high humidity, using a combination of exercise, emergency rations
 and prayer.
 
 Now they're emerging into the sunlight as the embodiment of the human spirit
 - with book and movie deals to follow.
 
 And those book and movie deals are following. The biggest threat the miners
 face isn't physical. The rescued have been in remarkably good condition, and
 they received medical attention while they were trapped in the mine.
 
 The real concern is their psychological health. The men were low-paid
 workers in a mine known for its danger and its safety violations. Now they
 have become international celebrities who will be offered enormous sums of
 money for their stories - while they struggle with what surely will be a
 difficult readjustment to the outside world.
 
 Still, we have no doubt that the government of
 Chilehttp://topics.sfgate.com/topics/Chile,
 which spared no expense for the remarkable rescue, will make sure the miners
 have all the counseling they need. And as for the money - well, they deserve
 all that they can get. Perhaps it will be enough that they can retire from
 mining.
 
 And retire they should. The incident also has pointed out how pitiful mining
 safety standards can be, especially for small operators. The Chilean miners
 wouldn't have been stuck for 69 days if the owners of the mine had followed
 legally mandated safety procedures.
 
 The United States http://topics.sfgate.com/topics/United_States, too, has
 work to do. Earlier this year, an explosion in West
 Virginiahttp://topics.sfgate.com/topics/West_Virginiaresulted in the
 deaths of 29 miners.
 
 It's important to celebrate the incredible story of the Chilean miners. But
 it would have been better had they not been trapped in the first place.
 
 This article appeared on page *A - 15* of the San Francisco Chronicle
   Read more:
 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/13/EDCI1FS7EV.DTL#ixzz12cXBtipl
 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/13/EDCI1FS7EV.DTL
  

Re: [Goanet] Konkani Proverbs (5)

[Albert Desouza]

There is a book published on proverbs in konkani By fr.Antonio. The list of 
proverbs is endless. Albert


 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:20:13 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet] Konkani Proverbs (5)

 Konknni Mhonn'nnyo (5)

 Projechi zannvay mhonn'nnyam vorvim dokholl zata. Bhas ani sonvskrutay
 ekemekakodde zoddtat-zulltat. Mhonn'nnyo mhollyar sonvskruthik hatyaram,
 tantunt mulyam ani totvam melltat. Mhonn'nyo amchem dayz. Lamb onnbhov hea
 sangnnyam vorvim thavem zata. Teo amim boroylya, khup pustokam asat, ponn
 bogor-bogor tancho ugddas kelyar faydyak poddta. Hyo mhonn'nnyo amchya
 ulovpamni, sermanvamni, tyatramni drixttipoddtat. Hanvem suru kela, to vavr
 khup zonnamni amkam korun dovorla. Somestamni hya vavrak khand diunk zay.
 Khup mhonn'nnyo amchea sadhya-sudhya lokachya tonddantlyan vhanvtat. Hanvem
 Msgr.R.S.Dalgado-chya Florilégio pustokantlyo mhonn'nyo kaddlyat ani to
 boroyta te bhaxen boroylyat. Ponn atam fuddarak atanchya kallar ami
 boroytat, tech bhaxen boroytolom. Khup zonnamni mhaka xabaski dilya, hya
 khatir hanv dhin'vaxi. Hanv hyo Konknni mhonn'nnyo boroytona inglejint,
 toxench yer bhasamni, mhoje kuveti pormonnem, ditolom. Hi zannvay
 apnnavum-ya.







 Us godd mhonn vaddham soyt khavunchim noy: sugarcane is sweet, but one
 should not eat its leafy part. Because fruits are sweet, we do not eat its
 seeds. One should not abuse the trust that somebody places on us.
 Portuguese: Ainda que o teu sabujo é manso, não o mordas no beiço.



 Bott ghalunk melltoch, hat ghalunk sodhta: allowed to place the finger, one
 places also the hand. It is also abuse of trust, goodness, benevolence.
 Port.:Não dês o dedo ao vilão, porque te tomará a mão.



 Mov mellta, thoym konnoy khonnta: one keeps on digging wherever it is soft.
 Also abuse of excessive 'goodiness'. Port.: Onde é mole, todos carregam.



 Dusryachem bhurgem baynt uddoun thav polleta: Somebody sounds the depth of
 the well by throwing another one's child. It means to seek one's own
 interest with harm being caused to others. Port.: Tirar a sardinha da brasa
 com a mão do gato.



 Zhogzhogta itlem-y bhangar noy: All that glitters is not gold (from William
 Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice, 1596, where it is found glisters, it
 is changed to glitters in modern renditions of the play). Tudo o que luz não
 é ouro. Nem todo o branco é farinha. French: Tout ce qui brille n'est pas de
 l'or.


 Regards.

 Fr.Ivo



  

[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- Catholic religion is a religion of words. While our words speak 
one thing our actions show another thing. The common hymn in the church says  
Ami soglim ek. meaning we are all one but in reality we are divided based on 
our caste. While Jesus clearly says  I am the truth , etc etc we still do not 
know what is the truth. While Jesus says The Father and I are one who ever 
wants to reach the father should come to me, yet we believe that saints and 
Mother Mary will take us to Heaven. While Jesus speak of Heaven and hell we 
have created Purgotory. While we ought to have believed in the Almighty God we 
have given him a mother. Now the question I want to ask the learned  Where is 
God ! is he in the church alone or is He with us where ever we go ! While Jesus 
has taught us the Our Father we have created a rosary which makes no meaning. 
Repeated prayer even God won't understand. I have never seen a priest reciting 
a rosary in the church during Novenas. I have never seen Priests bringing our 
lady 's statue and doing what they tell us to do. While St.Paul tells us about 
not having statues in letter to the Romans our churches are full of them. They 
are been carried during processions and at the end of the journey they bless us 
with the lifeless statues. So I want to ask this question to those who can 
answer them. Why was there a God who created heaven and earth ? who created 
life on earth and is Power unto Himself and who told Moses I am who am and who 
gave Moses the ten commandments and while the very first commandment speaks 
firmly of God's Power I am the Lord thy God who is our God today ? 
  

Re: [Goanet] Padri Pulitikent Kityak Poddtat?

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
Priests should remain far away from politics and politicians at least for time 
being. They should work for the benefit of the lay people whom they represent. 
I have seen lots of Catholic youth unemployed or under paid and however hard 
they try they do not get sucess in life and live a poor and unpleasent life. 
Most of our churches are huge structures and have plenty of rooms which collect 
dust. If priest along with the lay get together and use these vacant rooms to 
start some business for the lay people where someone can earn his daily bread. 
Most ofthe women folks know cooking, etc stiching etc. The church can help them 
to start either some classes or small scale industries. Many times people in 
the locality for various reasons do not get time to cook, go to the bank etc 
etc may be they are sick, old or have small children. Many times we see working 
mothers have lots of problems to look after their little ones and pay so much 
for useless maids. These small scale industries can plan out various projects. 
One project where woman get together and make kitchen items like sweets, 
pickles, or food stuff. Others can market or sell these products. Why do we 
need priests to get in politics ? It does not serve the people in any way. What 
I have written may not be too clear for everyone but I hope some one has 
understood my message. albert 
 From: icso...@bsnl.in
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:18:29 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet] Padri Pulitikent Kityak Poddtat?

 Pritichya vachpyamno,
 Ho mozho lekh tumche mukhar haddtam. To tumkam faydyacho zayt. Dev borem
 korum!
 Fr.Ivo

 Padri Pulitikent Kityak Poddtat?

 *Ivo da Conceição Souza

 Azkal Goyeam ani akhea Bharatant rajki fuddaryanchim nanvam lokachea
 tonddar khelltat. Khoynchya pokxak zoyt melltelem, tem ami uloyt astat,
 uprant pokx nivddun yeta, dusro pokx ken’na yetolo, osli ast ballgit ravtat.
 Rajki serkos ken’na suru zayt, hem ami nokllot. Amchem jivit rajkornnent
 vinnlolem asa. Arthik ani somajik mollanr rajkornnecho porinnam' asa.
 Tornnya-dhakttyancho, nennttya-zanntyancho, dadlya-bailancho husko toch.
 Xallamni lhan bhurgyancho poryant kityak nhoy? Tor oslea adhunik kallar ho
 vichar amchya kananr sadta: Padri pulitikent kityak poddtat? Tancho vaur
 otmik, tankam osleo ratti lagonant... Osle nare aikunk yetat.

 Hea vicharak zobab diunche khatir amchem mon uzvaddaunk zay. To don
 panvddeamni amchyamni dium yeta:

 i)Rajkaronn (politics) mhonnche kitem? Azkal rajki fuddari soglea mollanr
 misoll zatat. Lokoy tanche koddle zobab soglea prosnnank magtat. Rajkaronn
 mhollyar xhar-proza (city-state [Gresia desantli POLIS]) cholovpachi vidhya
 ani kola. Doreka mon'xan mon'xallayen-bhavponnan vinnlolem bhiradd bandunk
 vaurunk zai. Doreka Kristi mon'xan hea jogant Devachem Raj sthapunk proyotn
 korunk zay. Ponn rajkoronn mhellem zayt veta. Vikas vaddche boldek
 broxttachar-burxeponn ani apsvarth amchea desant ghans ghetat. Rajki
 fuddaryamni des zannvayen cholounk zay, somajik-arthik-sonvskruthik ani
 rajki mollanr udorgot haddunk zai, projecho samball-seva korunk vavrunk
 zay. Oslya vavrant borya sobhavachim mon'xam gorjechim.

 Ponn amche modim vegllench ghoddta: okxikxit, lapitt, chor, mortikar,
 broxttachari, fotting amkam melltat. Gunddagiri-dadagiri choloytole monis
 rajkarnnant ghustat. Hat-maram' bhitor soron aplim bolsam bhortat, durboll
 asle te grest zatat, nagoun-chorun, broxttachar korun...

 Dekhun bhurgyanchea monant ho vichar yeta: Khoinche nokrent mhaka odik
 poyxe melltele? Tanchea monant ekoch zobab mhollear ho: Rajkarnnant bhitor
 soron mhojean sottasott duddu ('fast buck') komaum yeta. Xikpachi
 poryant goroz na. Hotelamni ani xallamni waiter vo peon koso nokri
 mellounk SSC-cho dorzo zay, ponn rajki am’dar koxe nivddun yeunk xikpachi
 ani xikxonnechi goroz na. Itlench nhoy: Soglech Mukhel Montri zaunk sodhtat,
 aplya faydeak zhogddon amchi seva kortat mhonn fottoytat… Oslya mon'xanchea
 hatamni amim amcho ani Goyencho fuddar ghatla...

 Sobhav naslole monis amkam rajkarnnant melltat, hantunt konnoch dubhav
 dhorpasarko na. Khoynchoy pokx aplea totvamni ani mulyamni cholona, ponn
 poixyancher cholta...koxem tem tech zannant. Ek pokx soddun dusrea pokxant
 bhitor soron, am’dar aplo jiv samballtat, ponn Goyenkarank lojek ghaltat...

 Broxttachar khup chol’la mhonn sogottoch zannot. Ponn amcho lokoy oslea
 rajkarnnaranchya ghansak sampoddta. Ken’na-ken’nai lok vikharya
 karkhannyancher virud’dh aplo tallo ubartat, ponn rajkarnnar apnnak zay tem
 korun lokak pilltat. Soglya nagrikank mon'xall-somajik hok'k asat,
 khoyncheay dhormache te zaum, khoynchoy tancho vavr zaum... Mhonntoch
 Katolk yadnikank loka vangdda broxttacharacher add zhuzunk kaydo ani
 zobabdari asat. Te hinsa proghottinant, ponn mog, nit, promannikponn
 xikoytat!

 ii)Katolk Yadnikancho Vavr kitem? Yadnikancho vavr mhollyar Devachem Utor
 ani Mog projek vanttunk ani he vorvim lokak mon'xallayen ani povitrtayen
 jiyeunk 

Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!)

[Albert Desouza]

Jaggery in Konkani is gord and not god. g should be small. Please stop making 
fun of the Almighty God.
albert 


 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:19:45 -0700
 From: chimbel...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!)

 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:

 Either he is 'ignorant' or he is deliberately poking Fun at
 'God' that is sacred to millions around the world. Even
 learned man can be ignorant of some things; is it not?

 That is all I meant to convey, OK? He is a very malicious
 man in this regard. Citizens of the world beware of the
 poster, the un-agnostic man in disguise.


 The crackpot piece of writing above is incredibly funny and ironic. Here is a 
 man who blatantly abuses Hindus and Indians because of their beliefs and 
 practices in almost every incoherent prattle he posts on Goanet and 
 elsewhere. And he has the gall now to attack me with his broken English just 
 because I spelled the Konknni word for jaggery in accordance with how I 
 pronounce it in my Konknni dialect.

 The fact that the Konknni word for jaggery is also spelled exactly in the 
 manner that I spelled it, i.e. god is clear from the following link:

 http://indianfood.about.com/od/glossaryofterms/g/gud.htm

 The pertinent quote is:

 Also Known As: Gaur, Gul, God, Gur, Bella, Bellam

 I have now seen at least 3 men on Goanet who are inciting hatred against me 
 among Goanetters who hold their particular religious beliefs and speak their 
 particular dialect on Konknni, using this god spelling canard as a pretext

 Who do they think they are? Guardians of a theocracy that has banned all 
 other dialects and spellings of Konknni words, except theirs?

 Cheers,

 Santosh

 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Nascy Caldeira  wrote:

 Dear Alfred T.

 The scientist poster, called Santosh is ignorant of 'godd'
 for jaggery,
 spelled as such when the Konkani word is written in Roman
 Script.
 Either he is 'ignorant' or he is deliberately poking Fun at
 'God' that is sacred to millions around the world. Even
 learned man can be ignorant of some things; is it not?

 That is all I meant to convey, OK? He is a very malicious
 man in this regard. Citizens of the world beware of the
 poster, the un-agnostic man in disguise.

 Nascimento Caldeira

 --- On Fri, 24/9/10, Alfred de Tavares 
 wrote:

 Nasci: i am pretty much flumoxed by nascimentation
 of
 scientists as learned.

 Does that imply that there are unlearned of the
 species?

 In my time I have met many a MAD scientistbut
 not one
 that is an
 ignoramus.I wonder

 Perhaps our genious from Chimbel will, kindly,
 deflumox me;
 at least,
 mercifully, refrain from flumoxing further..dare I
 so
 hope?


 AlfredChaCha...quite an illiterate one of them!



 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:28:58 -0700
 From: nascy...@yahoo.com.au
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God
 does
 not exist!)

 Santosh,

 As a 'learned' scientist, you should have known
 that
 the 'godd' for jaggery in Konkani is spelled with a
 double
 'd' at the end.
 Perhaps you were deliberately mocking 'God' or
 you are
 not 'learned' enough!  It's your choice, to come
 clean
 and save your credibility.

 Nascimento Caldeira









  

[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert Writes:- Roman Catholics must try to read the Bible and ask God to grow 
your wisdom to understand God and His only son Jesus in a better way. By 
putting Mary as a armour before God will not help you in any way. Accept God as 
your heavenly Father and know that He is the power, and He is the everything in 
your life. Build up a relationship with God instead of putting your faith on 
dead statues. St.Paul to the Romans says we should not make statues of God in 
any way. It is mentioned in the first chapter. I wonder when our learned 
leaders will be enlightened by the Holy Spirit and will start preaching the 
word of God instead of telling us foreign arabian stories. It is a shame that 
we are zero with the bible. We only know what is given in the daily focus. 
Sunday reading is rarely understood by anyone because we do not have he bible 
with us for reference. While verbally we talk of Jesus Christ as our saviour in 
reality we still adore paganism. None of us know what we are praying and to 
whom we are praying. There is no reason in calling the other denominations as 
inferior products because they do not celebrate Mary's feast as we do and there 
is no need to put other religious belief down and harp that we are having Jesus 
Christ alive in our churches. Today instead of becoming confused with our 
beliefs why do we not take the bible and pray with the Bible ? why don't we 
learn to accept Christ as our saviour ? 
  

Re: [Goanet] Spelling of Konkani or Konkanni?

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Goanetters
The language of goans is kokni and not konkani or konkanni. it is spelt as 
kokni.

 From: dr.udayba...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:49:54 +0530
 Subject: [Goanet] Spelling of Konkani or Konkanni?
 
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 Oscar Lobo from Melbourne wrote ---  Dear Konkani Literates, I see people
 using two types of spellings for our Dudachee Bhas Konkani and some
 Konkanni. Of late someone stated that Konkanni is the correct version
 although I also read that it can be written as Conkani. Can someone with
 authority state the correct spelling of our mother tongue?
  
 My response:
 
 Oscarbab,
 
 Konkanni, Konkani and what you read Conkani are expressions of differences
 between roman, romi, Devanagari, devnagri script supporters .. Most
 importantly, anyone wanting to write in our mother tongue always considers
 himself/herself to be an authority on spelling words from our mother tongue
 . anything 'chalta hai' ...this is the fate of our mother tongue. May be
 this is happening out of immense love to our Goa :)-  
 
 Best regards,
 
 U. G. Barad
 
 
 
  

Re: [Goanet] God does not exist!

[Albert Desouza]

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Sir
We often talk about God. Many people have guts to talk about God and many say 
that God does not exist or try to find out if God really exist. Had God to show 
only one inch of His power we would not live to ask whther God exist or not. 
God is powerful than the sun. When Peter James and John saw one inch of Jesus's 
transfuguration he felt down completely dazed and I cannot explain the 
phenomena that took place so please give God His Glory instead of making fun of 
Him.
albert 

 From: fredericknoro...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:12:00 +0530
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] God does not exist!
 
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 On 21 September 2010 11:48, George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Just this morning at Johnny's shack at Anjuna beach, I asked Johnny how 
  much does the egg sandwich cost if God exists. He said Rs. 11/-. I said how 
  much does the sandwich cost if God does not exist. He said Rs. 11/-. Also, 
  the sandwich tastes the same if God exists or does not exist.
 
  But if you mention to Johnny that you are a Goan, you get a 10% discount.
 
 
 Strange. My experience was exactly opposite in direction (but not in
 magnitude) to that of George's.
 
 I met this Brazilian football coach at Campal yesterday. He pointedly
 wanted to know if I believed in God.
 
 Not know what his own views were, I hedged my bets. Whoever wants to
 miss the chance of being coached by a real-life Brazilian? In
 football, that is!
 
 I was surprised by his answer.
 
 If you don't believe in God, I could definitely coach you, he said.
 After showing some clear disinterest in coaching any theist of his
 kind. --FN
 
 PS: And, btw, in today's Goa, you can be guaranteed to be charged more
 on grounds of ethnicity.
 
 When my pretence of being Goan works out fine, I can be well expected
 to be charged a flat 20% extra. Which is why, I occasionally let slip
 that I'm actually Mangalorean :-)
 
 Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
  

[Goanet] Corrupt politicians

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- We all like to point out fingers at others. It is easy to say  
Politicians are corrupt. How many of us are completely honest ? Many people 
snore at work place and grumble at their boss. Those in the government offices 
attend religious services or temples early in the morning but never reach their 
work place in time or do not wait there for long. The file will not move from 
their desk or will be found missing because the owner of the file failed to 
give tips. The list is numerous. Politicians have become corrupt because we 
have made them corrupt. There are many of us who support corrupt politicians 
because they help us in many ways to get on with our crooked ways. The least is 
endless. It is foolish to talk about politicians because if you find them 
corrupt why do you vote for them ? Today our roads are very bad. We grumble but 
we will not come together and go to our MLA and demand that the road should be 
repaired with urgency. Now we will sit in the balcony 
 and talk and talk but it is mere gossip. Get together and put some mud on the 
potholes or plant some trees there .
  
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- If only we had understood the meaning of God and His 
commandments, His power, His love we would not have our life like we do today. 
In today's life we find external drama but internally there is a vaccum because 
God does not live within us. Hatred has replaced love. The first commandment 
which orders us to serve only the true God has been replaced with false gods. 
Do we have peace within us ? No never without Christ. Just look at one another 
when you enter the church. Gloom has descended on us. We are totally strangers 
to one another. Even at the time of offering what is called peace we gracefully 
behave as enemies or totally strangers. We like to point a finger at others. 
Many times the ministers and MLAS are our target. We feel hurt because 
catholics are shown as drunkards. We cry heaven to earth when we see a cross 
broken but if one had to see that same cross before someone broke it one would 
see the cross looking shabby without any colour. No one has even time to honour 
that cross .Why do you cry from roof tops and from mountain cliffs because it 
is broken ? we see crosses solemnly erected along the road side which are gone 
black after the rains. No one honours those crosses nor light a candle. why 
make a big show ? Heart of heart we have no reverence to God. We pray to Mary 
mother of Jesus not out of love for her but what will neighbours feel I have 
joined the believers if I do not attend the novenas. For us novena of our lady 
is just another ritual. Pray the rosary with the lips keeping the heart else 
where. At home one finds people making a big show with the rosary. some will 
use it like a necklace while others will throw it all around the house. We do 
not know the value of the Bible. Many of us do not posses a bible and many of 
them have never opened a bible. Are you a christian then !I doubt. Christianity 
was never founded. It came down from heaven through christ. Roman Catholics 
cannot call themselves as Christians. Their mode of prayer, their mode of 
living, their mode of self is not that of Christ. Christ just preached one 
thing. Love God with your whole heart and above all things and love your 
neighbour as Jesus has loved us. Mary did the same. She did God's plan and she 
had concern for others. Those who shout Ave Maria from the roof tops are 
liars if they do not have concern for others. Take a blank page and write if 
your history and find out if you are follower of Christ or even follower of 
Mary.  

[Goanet] When the curtain rise

[Albert Desouza]

I was reading the book when the curtain rise and happened to read the  list of 
tiatr personalities and found my name missing from the list. One will wonder 
what I am trying to say. I am not a professional artist but comparing the names 
of some over there I was amused that I had more experience on the professional 
stage as an actor, director, writer than some of those. I began my stage life 
in 1979 with my own play Don roste written and directed by me. Then I acted 
for Fr.Freddy da Costa since May 1980 till the end. I wrote staged and directed 
Somzikai for Kala Academy tiatr festival in 1984 and won the second prize .I 
staged the same tiatr in Siolim, Verem, Aldona . I staged my own tiatr nirmon 
with professionals in Saligao, Siolim, Tirakol, Agacaim. I have acted in Mike 
Mehta's grant Road and o papagio canta e berra on professional Stage. I won the 
second prize for Mummy maka vengent dor in 2007 in the Goa Academy competition 
and the same tiatr was staged in London ( four shows) in 2009 and a CD was made 
of the same tiatr and sold in London. Albert de Souza   
   

Re: [Goanet] You have hurt the religious sentiments of Christians by publishing cartoon The Lost Supper on July 25 mumbai edition page 18

[Albert Desouza]

Dear FriendOne knows what is last super when you read the bible. The picture of 
the last super is itself imaginary.We cannot afford to become fanatics and in 
broadmindedness we should try to find out, discover what is hidden in the lost 
super and you will get the wonder of the cartoon .Learn to appreciate the 
asthetic sense in a drawing instead of brooding over and becoming sentimental. 
Jesus Christ was never a sentimental person but always looked at the wider 
horizon and that is why he forgave the lady caught committing adultery. Let us 
learn like modern philosophers and not ancient fanatics. albert 
ike
 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:15:29 -0400
 From: anc...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] You have hurt the religious sentiments of Christians by 
 publishing cartoon The Lost Supper on July 25 mumbai edition page 18
 
 To,
 Mr. Jaideep Bose
 Editor in Cheif
 Times of India
 
 Dear Sir,
 Christians are in large number in the readership of Times Of India.
 But it is unfortunate that you have hurt our religious sentiments by
 publishing the cartoon THE LOST SUPPER by imitating as if it looks
 like JESUS and TWELVE apostle. You have made mockery of our religious
 beliefs. Kindly apologize for the blunder you have created or else we
 may have to plan a very stringent course of action.
 You cartoon can be viewed at
 http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=18pagesizeedidedlabel=TOIMmydateHid=25-07-2010pubnameednamepublabel=TOI
 which is also attached along with this
 Lots of Christians have already raised their voices in facebook at
 http://www.facebook.com/ancypaladka and other places
 So please act immediately and apologies in tomorrows issue itself or
 else we will be planning our stringent course of action.
 Waiting for your immediate action
 Ancy S DSouza
 
 --
 Ancy S. D'Souza, Paladka
 E2-139 Diwan Apt III
 Vasai Road East
 Thane Dist - 401 210
 Tel: 0250-2390225
 Cell: 9320733213, 902898
 Email: anc...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [Goanet] The Lost Supper -- another view (Allwyn Fernandes)

[Albert Desouza]

Dear ReaderThe last super drawn by Leonard de vinci is not a religious item . 
If he could draw the last super i do not find anything wrong in the cantoon the 
lost super. The picture of Jesus in Leonard's vinci is not the real jesus' 
picture as there was no photography available during those days and so no one 
has seen the real picture of Jesus at the last super and  so that picture drawn 
by vincy is imaginary and cannot be treated as religious holy pictures. so why 
make a big noise about the lost super ? If leonard de vincy could draw the last 
super I feel that lost super can also be drawn/ albert 

 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:51:30 -0400
 From: mmdme...@yahoo.ca
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Lost Supper -- another view (Allwyn Fernandes)
 
 
 Has any Goan commented on this? Now given the fact that many many share 
 Ancy's sentiments, Allwyn can create his own 'lost supper' preferably 
 with who share his sentiments.
 
 Maurice
 mmdme...@yahoo.ca
 
 
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 Wilderness* now available at Broadways Book Centre, Panjim [Ph 
 +91-9822488564] Ask a friend to buy it, before it gets sold out. Price (in 
 Goa only) Rs 295.  http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
 
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[Goanet] Thanks

[Albert Desouza]

Dear goanettersThanks for blocking my goanet so that I cannot read what others 
write. I used to write God and You and because of this I have been blocked. No 
one loves the word of God. I used to do this on saligaonet and everyone was 
making fun of me so I stopped. You can take the horse to the pond but you 
cannot make  it drink water. albert de Souza
  
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:-God loves you and me. Our religion that Jesus gave us through 
his blood contains just one sentence I love you. If we say that to our Almighty 
Father God I love you,  we would never sin because that would cut us off from 
the Almighty Father.Jesus has made this life on earth so simple to live for us 
by giving us just that one commandment Love your God and Love your fellowmen. 
How wonderful this world would have been. But no. We want to chose our path 
which goes away from God, away from fellowmen and we are ruled by greed, 
hatred, pride, etc and so the blood that Jesus shared for us is going waste 
because it was love that made God become flesh, it was love that made God 
create this beautiful earth and put in beautiful people in it and it was love 
that made God forgive us all our trespasses on earth. God is ready to forgive 
all of us only if like prodigal sons we are ready to go into the embrace of the 
aLMIGHTY. God still loves us. He hates our sins but does not hate us. Lets us 
therefore close the path of evil that we are now walking and chose to walk 
holding God's hand for our Almighty Father knows what is best for us.   

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[Goanet] an appeal

[Albert Desouza]

Dear GoanettersI have not been getting goanet posting since last two months and 
I do not know what is happening around. I used to enjoy the goanet and I have 
been deprived of the same. I would be happy if some one on the list of goanet 
should forward the posting to me. Rico told me that whatever I write for the 
goanet comes but i am not able to get views from my fellow brothers and sisters 
on what I write and also am not been able to read what others express.albert de 
souzaalizadeso...@hotmail.com
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- you are resting at home and the front door is open and you are 
enjoying the fresh breeze.Suddenly you get the visitor a couple who comes to 
your door with the message  we have come to give you the good news of the 
Lord. but instead of calling them in and allowing them to tell you the message 
that Jesus is the Mesiah you react violently and drive them out and abuse them 
calling them false prophets. Why do you react like that ! because you are not 
sure of your religion.You do not know Christ to distinguish between false 
prophets and the true shepherd. You are ignorant of the bible because you never 
open it.  You react because you do not have a bible and you do not know the 
meaning of the word of God and the value of the Bible. Today many Hindus have 
begun to read Bible. I met a Hindu woman who without asking came to me and 
started to speak about Jesus. She told me about the beatitudes and about Paul's 
letter to the Romans. I did not react violantly because I know the value of 
God's word.Jesus has told us to spread the gospel. For Roman Catholics it is 
only theoritical and not practical because we do not mind talking about 
politics and we do not mind talking about the priests and nuns and of the 
rising price but we feel ashamed to speak what is in the bible because we have 
no knowledge of the same and when we open the same it will be like someone 
talking about the atmosphLovere without knowing how many gases it contains.Many 
times we console ourselves by saying that Jesus has given us his mother who 
will save us. Catholic Religion is just a hollow religion which does not 
contain any aerodome to allow landing of plane of love and where there is no 
love there is no God and where there is no God there is no peace and when we do 
not have peace we cannot achieve salvation. Jesus has clearly said  I am the 
truth the life . read these words yourselves. Do not console yourself that 
your religion has been founded by Christ and you have every right to enter into 
the kingdom of heaven. Let these thoughts not be just infactuations and hope 
you do not lose happiness in heaven because you refused to accept Jesus through 
the Bible. After death there won't be any of these so called leaders to back 
you and help you nor can you come back to tell your family that all is not well 
with our religion because our catholic religion is mere theory but lacking in 
love for fellow men.   
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[Goanet] Goa net and me

[Albert Desouza]

SirIt looks people are not interested in connecting me to the goanet. For a 
long time I am cut off from the list of goanet and even after giving another id 
it has not improved. well if you do not want me I will remain out. Thanks for 
your co operation albert
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- Roman Catholics do not show reverence to the Holy Bible and if 
they did they would keep it on a pedestrial and lighted a oil lamp to show that 
it is the word of God. We know very little of the Bible and do not want to know 
it either. The church has shown very little interest in the word of God and I 
often wonder which heaven are we planning to enter !Many times people try to 
tell us about the bible but we are always suspicious of those people who speak 
about the bible. To capture heaven Jesus must be born in your heart and your 
body must be the temple of the Holy Spirit. We care so much about the material 
church even though it is closed and no one visits them, What if these unwanted 
and unused churches are converted into some small scale industries. what if I 
send my proposal towards this ? There will be hue and cry and people will start 
abusing me and call me essentric etc. because we do not know the meaning of the 
word church. My body is the temple of the living God and that is so if few of 
us gather under a mango tree and pray won't that form a church ? We are so 
worried about feast which are meaningless but we do not care for our brethrens 
who are starving. We celebrate birthdays and other days in a grand style but we 
have amidst us those who have no shelter to live and are sleeping in the open. 
There are some who eat only once in a day and have knowned hunger from  
childhood. Are these not the children of the living God ? are only Roman 
catholics children of the living God ? Will only Roman catholics reach heaven 
and what about others !Some one told me to go to heaven we have to be baptised 
but what is baptism ? How many of us know that they have received baptism ? did 
we receive baptism of the holy spirit ? are we born again the word that Jesus 
himself used to tell us that we have to be born again meaning we have to change 
ourselves from what we are and follow christ. Jesus has given us assurance that 
if we want to go to the Father we have to come to him and no one else. How can 
we believe in someone who has not seen the father rather than believe in the 
one who has seen the Father ? What is going on in our lives is a tiatr .    
 
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

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Albert writes:- If only if we had  realise that Jesus is the Hub of our 
Christianity we would not be going away from the creator. Its high time we make 
use of the Bible as it contains the word of God. No other prayer can be used as 
a substitute for the word of God as it is the food of the body and food of the 
soul. Much damage has been done by our so called spiritual leaders by creating 
in the minds of human beings that Mary can interceed for us and that she is the 
queen of heaven. Wearing rosaries and reciting rosaries we are only creating 
hurdles in the pathway to Heaven. We are in no way superior that we have entry 
to Heaven and we have no right to despise others because they do not recite 
rosary and attend mass. God forgive those who cannot forgive themselves.

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[Goanet] God and you

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:-God being a creator of everything on earth and heaven suffered 
humilation when He became man. God had to take shape of his creation and become 
Jesus. He did all this for love of man. What did man do ? murder the creator 
the healer etc. Did God put a crown on his head ? did He put any title or 
subtitle against his name ? When Moses encountered God at the burning bush, God 
just told him  Iam who am. He did not boast about himself each time He spoke 
either to Moses or Abraham. Today man was prestigeous title against their name. 
They want earthly crown on their heads. They held their heads in pride to show 
superiority and boast of their being elected or selected .We will be 
celebrating Good Friday on this Friday. We did it last year too. We will be 
staging a tiatr at the church ground where image of Jesus will be crucified and 
people will be crying and shouting and mourning and the next day that same 
Jesus will be forgotten forever. Jesus gave us just two commandments. Love God 
and Love human beings. Our tiatrs will have no meaning if our hearts do not 
acke for the fellow man suffering physical or mental or spiritual tortures. 
There are many unhappy human beings on this planet. They have been deprived of 
their happiness by other fellow human beings. Some of them have been cheated, 
or their happiness is killed by others. They too have right to live and right 
to love. Many youngsters will be there who are deprived of parental love for no 
fault of theirs. Their parents have given them tons of notes but no morsel of 
love. They are roaming from Cafias to Pontius Pilate to see if they can buy 
love with the notes that they have. Many parents who have spent all their life 
carrying burden of tortures for their love ones depriving their own pleasures 
and happiness. They have toiled and moiled from morn to evening just to gain 
happeness for their offspring and now they are tortured in the homes for the 
aged. They get enough food and the nuns take lot of care but what love they 
expect from their offspring cannot be given by the nuns. The nuns try to make 
these old people happy but they are not. The children of those unfortunate 
parents will be celebrating Good friday with fasting and mourning and by 
wearing black . Hypocrites.   
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[Goanet] To draw your attention

[Albert Desouza]

SirJust to bring it to your notice that I am not getting the posting of goanet 
. I do not know why you have put me out of the listHope you will restore the 
posting to me .Yours faithfullyAlbert de Souza alizadeso...@hotmail.com
  
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[Goanet] Goanet

[Albert Desouza]

Dear Major domoI have not been receiving goanet postings since one or two weeks 
. I do not know why you have unscribed me. any special reason ? albert de Souza 
alizadeso...@hotmail.com  
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Albert writes:- God so loved the world that He was prepared to die for us and 
so He took a body form and created Jesus who became man and called himself the 
son of man.Jesus always loved his father and respected Him.The whole 
Christianity is based on love. Love from God to Man and love of man to man. 
Jesus abridged the ten commandments into just two simple commandments. Love God 
with your whole heart and love each other as Jesus has loved us. In what way 
did Jesus love God ? He loved God and it is because this love for His Father he 
ventured into this mission on earth. Jesus did not bother about the thorns that 
would poke him, or the stone poke while walking with the cross or the 
scouraging he would receive. He was concerned to wipe out the sins of humanity 
and to bind the bond of love between man and man. The greatest pain the Jesus 
is still suffering today is because the bond of love uniting man with another 
man is broken. It is replaced with hatred .Today one man is not ready to look 
into the eyes of another man. He does not love another man at all. There is no 
love between husband and wife .They are ready for a divorce . No love between 
parents and children. Between brothers and brothers or sisters and sisters or 
brothers and sisters. There is no love in the world at all. That is the reason 
our newspapers are filled with the stories of rape and murders. Our court 
folders are filed with cases of divorces and other lithigations which could 
have been avoided if there was love existing between people and people. 
  
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Albert writes:- Moses saw a burning bush and went close to it. He heard God 
talking to Moses but the later did not see God. In the old testament God spoke 
to certain people. He spoke to Adam, He spoke to Abraham, Moses etc .You think 
God does not speak to us ? where do we have time to God ? Our prayers are from 
the prayer book. Our prayers are tailor made which are just coming out from the 
mouth without any meaning. We say angelus, Rosary etc etc but does this prayer 
connect us to the Lord ? a big NO. In today's world we do not have happiness in 
our heart and most of us in this world are in despair because our hearts do not 
touch the Lord. We are not bound with the Lord. MY subject is God and You. IN 
chemistry we have bonds explained by putting dots or dashes. Lets us learn to 
put God - You . The dash signifies the combination or tying of a cord of love 
with God and in that case you do not have to despair. Our body would not have 
been a sick body only if we had laid our thrust with the Lord. God is our 
loving father. He brings peace into your life, your family. when you want to 
pray as a family open the bible and pray using the psalms . You will find that 
the Holy spirit will fill your heart with love for God and you will be in 
praise and worship and the words will just flow from your mouth without any 
problem. The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want anything more that He gives 
me. 
  
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Albert writes:-Let us draw four columns and try to fill in. In the first column 
we write God  then in the second it is Jesus, third it is Mary and fourth it 
is you. God is our creator. He has built a relationship with his son Jesus .God 
was always happy that Jesus was binded to God the Father and in his mission The 
Father was always sought for help and blessings. In the life of Jesus his life 
was that of simplicity and free from pride and hatred. He was in relationship 
with Mary his mother and lived with her for thirty long years. Jesus christ was 
a true missionary and worked honestly to spread the word of God among the jews 
and the people who sought to listen to the word of God. Mary was the mother of 
Jesus. A humble Armenian lady who obeyed God the Father and did her utmost to 
fulfil God's plan. It was God's plan that Mary should bring Jesus into the 
world. It was not God's plan that Mary should be elevated to the status of God 
as today the church has done. She loved her fellow people all around her 
begining with Joseph who was her  husband, Jesus who was her son her cousins 
and friends. Her concern to the bridial couple when they ran short of wine 
speaks volumes of her generousity and love for others. Her mission got over 
when she stood at the cross to see her son die as per the wishes of God the 
Father. Last is you. Do you have a covenant with the Father, son, Mary and the 
rest of the people in the world ? Do you do God's plan ? find out 
  
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Albert writes:-Some of the Jews asked Jesus as to why his disciples were not 
fasting.To this Jesus replied that there is no need to fast when the bridegroom 
is around. We the Roman Catholics make a big farce about fasting. Some fast on 
ash wednesday and Good friday. I do not know how others fast but as a child i 
remember that we were forced to fast. This is what we did on the fast day. Eat 
one or half bread in the morning without butter, have our regular meal in the 
after noon and half meal at night. I do not understand the meaning of this type 
of fast.Some others ate cunji on the fast day. I feel if someone really want to 
fast they will stop eating till six in the evening. When I attended a retreat 
at Potta Chalakuddi, kerala, we had one day fasting. It was optional.Those who 
fasted went without food till six in the evening. That was actually fasting.In 
today's world we need to fast as many of us are far away from Jesus. 
  
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Albert writes:- The Holy Spirit works wonders in us. Jesus did not start his 
mission without receiving the Holy spirit. We all have to receive the Holy 
Spirit in us if we want to be vibrant. At the baptism of Jesus the Holy spirit 
came in the form of a dove. At pentacost the apostles received the holy spirit 
in the form of tongues of fire and then the apostles became fierce as a tiger 
or leopold. We need to receive the Holy spirit within us. Our body is the 
temple of the Holy Ghost and if that is so one must know to respect our body 
and the body of others. When we sin we drive away the Holy Ghost from our body 
and request the satan to take possession of our body. If you believe that your 
body is the temple of the Holy Spirit then you will not allow your body to 
receive hatred, pride, envy etc which will harm the temple of the Holy Ghost. 
One should avoid speaking evil of others. One should avoid having hate feelings 
and avoid being proud. Let your self be as simple as possible. Like Jesus who 
washed the feet of his disciples we too should bend low and touch the feet of 
our brothers and sisters.   
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Albert replies to Fredrico Noronha:- The church is a registered body registered 
under the society act of 1860. Its name and members and the governing body is 
kept a secret. This society works with the help of Fabrica whose members are 
also selected by the governing body. This society forces the parishioners to 
sponser every thing that the church needs without spending a pie from its 
account. People mainly lay people feel that it is our church and when you give 
to church you give to God and so they donate. This society has been taking 
undue advantage of this belief of the lay people. Huge halls have been built, 
libraries etc etc . We grumble that the church property has been sold by the 
parish priest but in reality it is sold by the managing committee after passing 
a resolution at the general body meeting.There are selected lay people who are 
members of the governing body of this society but the church will not disclose 
their names. Surprisingly even many of the priests are unware of this society 
.Our priests are poorly paid. Half of the money is sent to the bishop house (to 
this society in secret) many priest feel that if they pocket some percentage 
from the amount it is no sin. Many times a large donation is given in cash 
which they tend to pocket. so the reason to have big bank balance and lux. 
cars. and rich living. There are still many who are in the remote areas whose 
sunday collection is peanuts . Some churches the sunday collection is around 
five to six hundred rupees  a sunday.what happens to the money which goes from 
the church is not known to us but it is manipulated and accouted.   
  
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Albert writes:- Let us draw a comparision with the life of catholics with that 
of Christ. Jesus Christ was always obedient to the God's plan. For him the Plan 
was the cross. He had to first carry it on his shoulders for other's sake and 
then shed his precious blood and with the blood a new religion of love would be 
born. The religion which Jesus Christ founded was very simple. Love God with 
all your heart and love one another as Jesus has loved us. Yet we find this 
religion so difficult and so harsh to follow. Those in prayer boast of their 
holiness yet far away from God's love and love for human beings. God has given 
us just ten commandments which would bind us together with God and bind us 
together with fellow human beings. We have never tried to hold the cords 
together that bound us with human beings so how can we unite ourselves with God 
who is not seen by us ? God loves you and His love is unconditional yet we 
distance ourselves from Him by indulging ourselves in serving
  gods that have no life and cannot help us. Jesus always treated God as His 
Father and obeyed all His commandments. He united with the Father from Manager 
to the Cross and always did what the Father wanted him to do and that is why 
God himself declared that Jesus was His son in whom He was well pleased. Jesus 
always received the Holy Spirit the force that was required to preach the word 
of God. Today Rosary has replaced the word of God.  
   
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Albert writes:- One must know to give reverence to the Father. St.Paul writes 
in his letter to the Romans that we cannot give more reverence to the creations 
than the creator. God the Father is the creator and He has created number of 
Creations to whom we literally adore. In our daily prayer we do not invoke 
God's blessings. Today we see lot of sinful ways going on in the world because 
we have have sinned against God and broken the first commandment. I do not know 
what will the Judgement on the last day. what if we are kept on the left side 
where we shall be gnashing our teeth and blaming this one and that one ? what 
if Jesus tells us that he does not know us ? Change your life. To change our 
life we should have a desire to do so. We should be born again to receive the 
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Albert writes:- Priests are poorly paid. Those serving in remote areas are 
worse still. They are not paid even five thousand a month for the work they do. 
I think the daily labourer in MAPuca Municipal area gets more than  a  priest. 
I do not know what is their condition once they are of no use. Pity they are 
made to retire at the age of 70. 
  
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Albert writes:- The Bible is the authentic book of the Christian and through 
the Bible we can get nourishment for our body and for our soul. My body is the 
temple of God. We have to be led by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the son of the 
Living God. This has been proved .During the baptism of Jesus God spoke from 
Heaven that Jesus is his beloved son. Even the evil spirit in the man said that 
Jesus was the son of God. Peter with the power of the Holy Spirit testified 
that Jesus was the son of the living God. Accept him as your Lord and your 
master. Today Jesus wants to hold your hand. The Holy Spirit wants to lead your 
way in this world and direct you in the right direction. My body is the temple 
of God. Learn to keep your body clean. Keep your heart clean and like Jesus let 
us love one another because we are children of the same almighty Father.
  
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Albert writes: I cannot understand the big noise of R.Catholics about fasting. 
Everyone talks about the fast on ash wednesday. when we get up we have a nice 
breakfast. We must eat less- today is ash wednesday fasting day. then in the 
afternoon we eat rice with fish- today is fasting day eat less. In the evening 
we have a nice dinner. Today is fasting day eat less. what is the big noise 
about it ? all tiatr and khell tiatrs . Jesus fasted for 40 days. The bible 
does not speak how he fasted. He never told or ordered his disciples to 
fast.Why does the church order the christians to fast ? why it is published in 
the newspapers ? because this fast is a first scene of our tiatr. When I 
attended a retreat in Potta they requested us to fast one day. It was optional. 
Those who were not fasting could get coupons for food. We went without eating 
till around 5 pm .There were prayer programme as usual but less in number and 
people prayed .we only drank water and at five in the evening we broke our 
fast. Since it was voluntary it had a meaning. The Lord Jesus said There is no 
need to fast when the bridgroom is with you. Those who fast are not followers 
of christ because they are anxiously waiting for the second coming when they 
are not satisfied with the first coming. I always pray to Jesus that his second 
coming should not have a crown of thorns on his head and a crucifix on his 
shoulders. His first coming was a waste of time because love is replaced by 
hate. unselfishness is replaced by selfishness, pride and greed. God has been 
replaced with idols. Crown of thorns by crown of pearls. Stable with palaces. 
wooden stool with a rich throne. Who is your God today ? is it a human being or 
the spirit of God ! If it is human being or earth that I should say you will 
die and go down along with the earthly crowns. Don't we find palaces sinking 
down in the earth in the past ? Choice is yours.    
  
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