[Goanet] India's chaotic lesson in letting go
India's chaotic lesson in letting go By Eric Weiner 15 September 2015 I first stepped on Indian soil some 20 years ago, determined to change the place. I didn’t want to change everything about India, of course, just the parts that I found exceedingly frustrating: the Darwinian scramble at bus stops and train stations, the freestyle driving, the liberal interpretation of a scheduled appointment, the noncommittal answers that were more than a “no” yet less than a “yes”. Determined to change all this, I considered myself a Reformer, and I went about my mission with the gusto of the naïve and misguided. Reformers don’t last long in India. Invariably, you see them packing their bags, grumbling about India being an “impossible place”. The Acceptor, on the other hand, knows that Indian civilisation has been around for a very long time and is not about to change because some baggy-pants wearing, camera-toting traveller wants it to. I arrived in India a Reformer but left an Acceptor. I came to realise that India was not going to bend; I was the one who needed to bend. Otherwise, I’d endure a breakdown – or worse, life without India, and the lessons it affords. http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20150901-indias-chaotic-lesson-in-letting-go
[Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
Based on a query I received earlier today, I am trying to compile a list of self-help books to learn Konkani. Can anybody recommend titles, authors, etc. Thank you - Bosco
[Goanet-News] APPEAL: Blood replacement required
John Mascarenhas of Cansa, Tivim will be undergoing surgery in Goa on January 22, 2011. Blood type A+ replacement donation required at Goa Medical College (GMC), Bambolim, Goa. Kindly quote the name of John Mascarenhas when going to donate blood. Thank you. - Bosco --- NEW BOOK: 'PATRIOTISM IN ACTION: Goans in Indias Defence Services' Copies now available at: GOA: Literati (2277740), Other India (2263306), Broadway (6647038), Mandovi (2427904), Noel DSilva Associates (9823120454 / 9096781714), Confidant / Golden Heart Emp (2732450), David Co (2730326), Vardaan (9527463684) SERV / RETD Def Offrs in Goa: O/o Sainik Co-op Hse Bldg Sty, Def Col, Porvorim (2417288) MUMBAI: David Co (22019010) PUNE: Manneys (26131683), Popular (25678327) BENGALURU: Narayan (22865800) DELHI: Ritana (24617278) ONLINE (worldwide delivery): http://www.ritanabooks.com/booksdistri.htm, http://goa1556.goa-india.org ---
[Goanet] APPEAL: Blood replacement required
John Mascarenhas of Cansa, Tivim will be undergoing surgery in Goa on January 22, 2011. Blood type A+ replacement donation required at Goa Medical College (GMC), Bambolim, Goa. Kindly quote the name of John Mascarenhas when going to donate blood. Thank you. - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Have the Guts to Name Yourself Goenkars
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com From: augusto pinto But by and large those who use these pseudonyms are cowards who use the cover of their pen names to attack their enemies. I wish that people like joegoauk who generally do contribute positively would come out and use their real names because it is because of people like him that malicious people get an excuse to ply their foul trade. RESPONSE: #1) Joegoauk - that's his name, Joe. #2) He is no coward, perhaps has no enemies either. #3) Joe is not responsible for the irresponsible behaviour of others including you and me. #4) You have met Joe. So have I. #5) Perhaps you should point out the irregularities in Joe's postings instead of linking Joe with pseudonyms. - B
Re: Cancer Decisions� - Simoncini's Bicarbonate Treatment For Cancer
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Ivo da C.Souza At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer; today it is one out of three. We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of cancer. RESPONSE: The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html - B
Re: [Goanet] Houston: Joe Fernandes' murder caught on video
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Two new showrooms/office spaces, double height (135 sq m each with bath) for lease in upscale Campal/Miramar beach area, Panaji, Goa. Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Eddie Fernandes 1 Sep: ABC Local. It was the first day of work for 54-year-old Joe Fernandes. he came face to face with three gunmen who robbed him, then murdered him. In the surveillance video, you can see the masked men jump behind the counter and harass Fernandes for money before shooting him dead. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/localid=6992838 RESPONSE: Oh dear! This looks like Drummer Joe from Kuwait. Tragic!! Thanks Eddie for sharing the news story! - B
Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese
The subject line is sure to catch our attention. -Original Message- From: sallesfons...@. The main purpose of Fr. Theotónio is to blame Portugal and nothing else! However, he lives in Portugal and is paid by a portuguese University. RESPONSE: The first edition of this book was published in 1979 when Teotonio lived in Goa. That edition was sold out and a copy was hard to come by. I hope more Goans read about our history not just from Teotonio but also people like Joaquim Heliodoro da Cunha Rivara [1], Shirodkar and more Of course he is not a recognisable historian because of his partiality. RESPONSE: There was a vibrant debate on Goanet some weeks ago about the alleged bias of Priolkar vis-a-vis the Inquisition. I guess somebody or the other will always see bias in a historian's writing. Nevertheless, we should read all views and perspectives - pro and contra and make up our own mind. Historians usually have data to backup their assertions. But read we must for a better understanding of our history whether it is palatable or not. - B [1] Goa and the Revolt of 1787 Joaquim Heliodoro da Cunha Rivara (Edited by Charles J. Borges, 1996)
Re: [Goanet] Why people believe in lies?
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Mario responds: Those reading this and comparing it with Bosco's false characterization above will be able to easily see why Bosco has to resort to misrepresentations and abuse, because he has no facts or logic at his disposal. RESPONSE: Abuse? Read what you write!! Therein you will find the abuse you seek. Has anyone seen Bosco acknowledge that seriously ill patients in Canada are routinely subjected to rationed care? RESPONSE: More distortions!! Has anyone seen Bosco acknowledge that MANY (caps by Bosco) Canadians have to come to the US, where there are no waiting lists, if they want to live? RESPONSE: MANY?? Many as in more than Some?? Bah!! More distortions!! Yet, while shutting his eyes tightly to the facts that are emerging from the leadership physicians in Canada, he continues to describe my balanced reporting as More distortions!! Accompanied with smears, personal invective, gratuituous comments, etc. RESPONSE: Even more distortions!! Readers should make up their own minds as to who is really engaging in distortions, smearing, personal invective and gratuitous comments. WHILE AVOIDING THE SPECIFICS OF THE DISCUSSION ALTOGETHER. RESPONSE: Nobody is reading your bhashans. If you are looking for distortions, smearing, personal invective and gratuitous comments, read what you write. Here we see Bosco suggesting that the last word on this subject should be his deliberate DISTORTIONS AND half-truths about the Canadian health care system, which the incoming President of the Canadian Medical Association recently said was imploding. RESPONSE: You are not a Canadian and neither do you live in Canada. Cut-and-paste artistry will not help you understand issues. You have no idea of reality in Canada. Just in case Bosco doesn't understand what the word means, imploding means, to break down or fall apart from within. RESPONSE: I can see your constant bouts of last-wordism on every issue is leading you to implode with regularity. Sometimes you are wrong! Just plain wrong but continue to froth and squirm. Bosco and Mervyn are within the Canadian health care system and by denying facts and incoherently lashing out at honest criticisms, are inhibiting any rational discussion as to what can be done about that sorry situation, at least in this forum. RESPONSE: You demonstrate with regularity, you are not capable of rational discussion. Just.you guessed it...distortions, smearing, directing personal invective at others alongwith gratuitous comments. When you stop all this, I will gladly indulge in rational discussion with you. Back to School.Say NO to Plagiarism from the cut-and-paste artists!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Alfred, Now we can only hum --
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Gabe Menezes Mary Hopkin, Welsh lassie:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pkkAhETYg RESPONSE: The record was released 31 yrs ago, today [1]. Ironic!! - B [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Hopkin
Re: [Goanet] Why people believe in lies?
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary In this thread, in response to Mario, I responded with two words: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:48:46 -0400 From: Bosco D'Mello More distortions!! Mario responded again.: Are we supposed to believe Bosco...blah, blah, blah.. ..with 335 words..much of it.you guessed it..More distortions!! Accompanied with smears, personal invective, gratuituous comments, etc. - B PS. Standby, another response from Mario is expected with more of the same...you guessed it again...distortions accompanied with smears, personal invective, gratuituous comments, etc. There is no cure for a severe bout of last-wordism!!
Re: [Goanet] Why we believe in lies?
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Contributing evidence comes to us from the horror stories from Canada and Britain several of which have been published on Goanet. Americans will not put up with being told they cannot see a primary care physician [Canada], RESPONSE: More distortions!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Ted Kennedy Dead
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Mario responds: I have lived in America for 38 years with and among physicians and have never heard anyone say, In America today, death is an option. Any American who says anything like this would need their head examined or be in a straitjacket already. RESPONSE: Perhaps Google can help: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=enq=In+America+%2B+death+is+an+optionstart=0sa=N - B
Re: [Goanet] Written by a Pakistani journalist about India
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Samir Kelekar Reposted from inter...@yahoogroups.com; this could be a good retort to Abdul Kalam! samir Written by a Pakistani journalist about India [MUST READ] Capital suggestion By Dr Farrukh Saleem Here's what is happening in India: The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese. RESPONSE: #1) The first paragraph of the above piece is identical to the last paragraph of an article authored by Lahore-based columnist, Masood Hasan on January 13/08 in the The News (Jung) http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=90854 #2) Dr Farrukh Saleem is the executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies (CRSS) and writes a regular column titled Capital Suggestion for The News (Jung). His latest piece can be found at: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=192192 #3) However Khushwant Singh states (in May 2008) Dr Saleem's article was published in September 2007. No original sources or references are provided. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080524/saturday/above.htm The inherent risks of circulating content from blogs and mailing lists without identifying the original date and place of publication tends to perpetuate the legends - facts or hoaxes, its anyone's guess. - B
Re: [Goanet] Who is REALLY running India?
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia 10. Kerala is the only 100% Literate State in India . RESPONSE: The Govt of Kerala website states as per the 2001 Indian Census, literacy was at 90.92% [1] 12. The last Indian representative to the Miss Universe contest was also a Keralite RESPONSE: #1 - Ekta Chowdhry is from Kerala #2 - Who watches beauty pageants in the 21st century??? Hats Off to Kerala RESPONSE: Down with plagiarism!!! - B [1] http://www.kerala.gov.in/education/status.htm
Re: [Goanet] Abdul Kalam's Letter to every Indian
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Now I find a speech by the brilliant but tonsorially-challenged ex-President Abdul Kalam that did just that back in January, 2009, which somehow none of our Indian Goanetters found of enough interest to post here: http://randomthougts101.blogspot.com/2009/01/letter-to-every-indian-apj-abdul-kalam.html Excerpt: Take a person on his way to Singapore. Give him a name - 'YOURS'. Give him a face - 'YOURS'. YOU walk out of the airport and you are at your International best. In Singapore you don't throw cigarette butts on the roads or eat in the stores. RESPONSE: This is another hoax article unless the date and location of the original publication of this piece is provided or if this was a speech, the date and place where it was made. Another bout of hollow jingoism!! I doubt the thorough gentleman, Abdul Kalam would address his fellow citizens as above. - B
Re: [Goanet] Personal crab attacks that avoid the subject
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Mario responds on August 24, 2009: a) I have not demonized anyone by name, but, since you brought it up: RESPONSE: Mario on another thread on August 24, 2009 with the subject: Marlon's maniacal misrepresentations continue http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-August/182190.html No-no, Mario does not demonize anybody. He was complimenting Marlon, at least in his head. Gilbert was very accurate when he stated Mario made conflicting statements in the same post. Here we see him make conflicting statements on the same day. Since it is a new Monday, a new week, let me remind Mario - your posts contain distortions, smears, personal invective, sarcasm and demonizing of fellow Goanetters who you disagree with. You have been doing it for the past 5 years. Let us know when you want to have a real discussion on any issue. In the meantime inform you handlers, the party is over!! - B PS. As far as FDR is concerned, you would have done well to live in Goa longer than the 10 days each winter to learn more about Forsu, Duming and Roldao!! PPS. Have you paid the 5 bucks for a subscription of Pajama TV??
Re: [Goanet] healthcare in US
August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary -Original Message- From: Gabe Menezes A question for Goa residents, if one visits a private hospital, like say Victor Apollo in Margao, would they milk you for all that they can? RESPONSE: We underestimate the relationships between Doctors, Pharma and Pathological labs everywhere. - B PS. Soon it will be Monday! Brace yourself!!
Re: [Goanet] Personal crab attacks that avoid the subject
August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992 For a list of World Goa Day events see: http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Nice try, Bosco, but anyone who reads my posts knows that I respond with facts and logic and robust common sense, on topic, whereas you often do not do this. RESPONSE: Don't delude yourself, Mario. Your posts contain distortions, smears, personal invective, sarcasm and demonizing of fellow Goanetters who you disagree with. Almost always, at least one of three of your cronies piggyback off your posts, or vice versa, also ignoring the topic. RESPONSE: There you go..personal invective and demonizing of Goanetters from you instead of sticking to a thread or subject under discussion. You just cannot help yourself. I have shown above what happens when my post is on the topic at hand and you are unable to keep up with the discussion - you resort to ridicule and gratuitous insults often with not a single reference to the topic of the post. RESPONSE: You have resorted to personal invective and demonizing. Dont expect anything less in a response. Why would anybody want to respond to you in any other way? Why would anybody want to debate any subject with you when all you do in return is distort, smear, direct personal invective, sarcasm and demonize fellow Goanetters who you disagree with. In 5 years where have all the people who debated you in the past gone? Dont delude yourself into flights of fancy. Your bouts of last-wordism does not necessarily mean what you disseminate here are facts. You merely forward the propaganda you receive - from your Inbox to our Inbox. Ofcourse in the process you make it look like you authored it. You will reap as you sow!! And Shantidoot can look after himself. As is your nature, you cannot respect Shantidoot's decision to return to the shadows. Mind you, you can do bugger all about anything other than type your 4 msgs, 5 days a week because it does not cost you a penny!! And on the 5th day you contradict what you wrote on the 1st day. Have you paid the $5 subscription for your news outlet - Pajama TV?? Unlikely, as you are an alleged conservative who would rather Paulson not bail out any of the banks. Instead of a recession, perhaps you were rooting for a depression. - B
Re: [Goanet] Local businessman, 32, drowned at Miramar beach
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Gabriel de Figueiredo Sorry, I am not being uncharitable here. Any Goan worth his salt knows that going into those waves in this season, is suicidal. RESPONSE: It was December 31, 2007. The sun was going down on 2007 and I was at Miramar beach with the kiddies. The beach was very crowded and noisy. Half-a-dozen young men came from the water's edge carrying the body of a young man in a sheet. He had drowned a little while earlier. Another avoidable death, perhaps. JoeGoaUK was at the beach that day. - B
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S AAiyar(Times of India)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia The economically weakest nations, like Zimbabwe and many other African nations, many Latin American nations, and Cuba and N. Korea, are economic basket cases because of their own corruption, oppression and incompetent internal policies which assume that a small number of powerful elites know what's good for everyone else, better than they do. RESPONSE: #1) What has Zimbabwe, N. Korea, etc have to do with the Pope in this instance? Or even Aiyar-ji for that matter. #2) I suppose the 'powerful elites' referred to above also include the avaricious pinheads on Wall Street who have sucked trillions of dollars of the tax-payers dollars. #3) Weeks later, Aiyar-ji continues to confound Mario-G. Kamaal hai!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Will the Goan American reactionaries please stand-up
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Gilbert Lawrence Hi Bosco, Rather than writing 4 to 5 goanet posts a day, and cause Goanet moderators some pirachit, the reactionary post-master should do some reading. But not the Palin twitter messages! Perhaps the right-winger should read the following post GOPs misplaced rage by a leading conservative economist. RESPONSE: Gilbert, I hope you are not reading amcho Mario's 4 to 5 fugotios per day, 5 days a week. If you are, I say, get rid of your pirachit. Dont you have anything more important to do like average people? Kitem re?? Mario is so predictable that you can pick any of his msgs, write a one-liner and get him to write a Pee-Etch-Dee thesis in response. Usually he is not coherent. This is email afterall. Costs zilch like his source for news, Pajamas TV. If he had to print and send his posts, we would never hear from him; as a true conservative, he would be conservative with his moolah too. Mind you, sometimes, by Friday he is contradicting what he wrote on Monday, or totally strayed from the thread, etc, etcand with the weekend break..total amnesia!!! Follow my cue - B
Re: [Goanet] Personal crab attacks that avoid the subject
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Mario observes: In the post by Bosco identified above and the comment he has highlighted by Gilbert, we see that tendency once again, where there is no attempt to address any points made on a contentious subject, just a deliberate attempt to personally ridicule someone they apparently disagree with but are unable to rebut with any real facts or opinions. RESPONSE: Folks, please excuse Mario. His corn is hurting now that the shoe is on the other foot. As we can see, he cannot take it like he gives it. Arre Mariodont become fugar and play to the audience. This is no tiatr. As Russell Peters says - Be a man!! Oh! And try to stick to the topic at hand. For an example of a 'contentious subject' you seek, explain: What has Zimbabwe, N. Korea, etc have to do with the Pope in this instance? Or even Aiyar-ji for that matter. [1] As far as personal ridicule is concerned, the ball is in your court. You will be addressed the way you address others. Samja kya?? If your posts are on the topic at hand without any smears and gratuituous comments, you will receive responses on the topic at hand. If you errwell thenas you sow so shall you reap!!! - B [1] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-August/181825.html
[Goanet] Photos from Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com Photos from Goa: http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/return-shell-fish-goan-rivers-after-2006-tsunami
Re: [Goanet] Will the Goan American reactionaries please stand up?
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Americans, who refuse to even carpool or subjugate their independence to public transportation, will not put up with some nameless, faceless bureaucrat putting them on a waiting list or deciding what pain medication they can take or what test or procedure they cannot have. RESPONSE: Which Americans are these?? Those that are losing their jobs, houses, cars faster than the spurious emails coming from the above author?? 7 million lost jobs in the past 18 months?? [1] 2.3 million US homeowners faced foreclosure on their properties in 2008. Close to 2.5 million properties for sale at www.foreclosure.com It appears we have an author here who is deeply rooted in fantasy and unable and/or unwilling to separate illusion from truth. Sounds like a die-hard fan of McMahon's WWE. We have a saying in America, You get what you pay for. The best never comes cheap, and the best does not involve waiting in line for a medical procedure or test when your life may be in jeopardy, or suffering excruciating pain because some government bureaucrat says so. RESPONSE: Which America is this?? Reality check!! If you ain't got a job, how do you pay for essentials let alone medical procedures?? The above quote from the author reminds me of Sheldon Wolin's Inverted Totalitarianism [2]. Pulitzer Prize winner, Christopher Hedges elucidates it well too in his new book, Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle [3]. An interview transcript can be found at [4]. And he argues that we live in a system that he calls inverted totalitarianism. The classical totalitarianism, in classical totalitarianism, like fascism or communism, economics is always subordinate to politics. But in inverted totalitarianism, politics is subordinate to economics. And with a rise of the consumer society, with the commodification of everything, including human beings and natural resources, you have built into it a form, an inevitable form of self annihilation. Because nothing has intrinsic value when society is no longer recognized as sacred. You exhaust everything for their, for its ability to make money. No matter how much human misery you create, no matter how much you go, how far you go to destroy the ecosystem that is sustaining the human species. And that with the rise of celebrity culture, of consumer culture, and on federate capitalism, you get what Benjamin Demott has called, I think quite correctly, junk politics. How many trillions down and how long will it take to recover them, if at all?? Everybody loves the good times however we are presented with dimpled xenophobia on a daily basis, 4 times each day, Monday thru Friday from the above author, better known as the voice of distorting the truth and the source of endless gratuituous comments. - B References: [1] http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbersseries_id=CES01output_view=net_1mth [2] http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8606.html [3] http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Illusion-Literacy-Triumph-Spectacle/dp/1568584377 [4] http://www.thomhartmann.com/2009/07/30/transcript-chris-hedges-empire-of-illusion-21-july-2009/
Re: [Goanet] Goa Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill, 2009
-Original Message- From: SHRIKANT BARVE Goa Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill, 2009 did not pass unanimously opposition (BJP) did made walk out show. Manohar Parrikar Opposition leader made some statement regarding powers of Deputy Director of Panchayat, Sarpanch, Mamletdar etc. there could be conflicting orders, some overriding powers in the new amendment,. Whole opposition MLA's Walk out against Amendments. RESPONSE: Barve-ji, does the record of the Goa Legislature for the Goa Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill, 2009 show any votes against the Bill? It does not matter what or how many statements Manohar Parrikar (MP) made. If MP did not vote against the Bill in the Legislature, it means MP and the Opposition (BJP) merely provided their approval in passing the Goa Panchayat Raj (Amendment) Bill. All the walking and talking is not going to alter the record of the Legislature. As has often been demonstrated all our MLAs are in cahoots, irrespective of their party affiliations. - B
Re: [Goanet] The Goan crab mentality in action
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia What we see above is a graphic example of the infamous Goan crab mentality in action: two Goanetters falling over each other to be critical without having any idea what they are talking about RESPONSE: And so the King Crab spoke!! Soon it will be Monday of a new week. And we will hear from him 4 times each day unlike Saturday and Sunday!! - B
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S AAiyar(Times of India)
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Ooops! Looks like Bosco has stepped in cow-cakes again:-)) RESPONSE: Wht?? Mario located more people like him, more people that Aiyar-ji did a number on!! Shabash!!! And Mario is yet to read the referenced 48-page encyclical from the Pope. Shabash again!!! I wonder what part of my comments above did Bosco fail to understand? RESPONSE: The same part that Mario fails to understand; stuff that he writes. Same part. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/storydetails.php/12752-1-6-Pope%E2%80%99s-Encyclical-creates-fear-in-outsourcing-industry-in-India http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=14970 RESPONSE: And why all these links?? Mario has already been crowned the top cut-and-paste artist here while at the same time having close to zero knowledge about what he writes about. Numero Uno!!!. Mind you with all these links he is forwarding from the anti-Bush liberal media, perhaps he is like the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing [1] - lambasting Obama while being a local campaign manager propping up the Dems. I hope Carmen does not take Mario's pomposity seriously. He is after all the voice of the top cut-and-paste artist. He is best at taking jabs at fellow Goanetters. Does it on a daily basis. He ensures we see his name four times each day except on weekends. Whaaat?? Ohh!! You are welcome, Mario!! I know you like cup-cakes! - B [1] - Wolf In Sheep's Clothing by This Providence
Re: [Goanet] The Pope's moral blunders on outsourcing S A Aiyar(Times of India)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- From: George Pinto I am surprised Aiyar writes an article without quoting the actual piece he takes exception to. Here is the link to the Pope's encyclical, CHARITY IN TRUTH http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia The Vatican's business is religion and morals. When they wade into economics and business they can be as moronic as Karl Marx, the Nehru family, Fidel and Raul Castro. Who the hell does Pope Benny think pays for his Gucci shoes and opulent palaces and royal lifestyle.. The Pope should be thankful for their largesse or he may have to find a job and do some useful work that generates an income My advice to the Vatican, Stick to religion and helping the poor, and stay the hell away from economics. RESPONSE: Oops!! Looks like Aiyar-ji did a number on Mario-G!! Best advice is gratuituous advice from Mario-G!! Fulfilled his daily quota, all without reading any facts!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Goan Emigration -3
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- From: Gilbert Lawrence To me, it appears the British recruited the Indians who were best suited for the job-at-hand ... naturally. Their sepoys were Gurkha, Sikhs and other ethnic Hindus with in-bred fighting skills. India provided Britain with 670,000 men for World War I and contributed two-and-a half million men for World War II. This was two-and-half times the contribution of Australia and four times the contribution of Canada. RESPONSE: Without seeking to diminish the sacrifices of Indians in the two large wars of the 20th century, I dont think it is appropriate to state India's contribution of fighting forces in plain numerical terms. A comparison of troops contributed and casualties incurred to the populations in each country perhaps will indicate many countries with smaller populations endured a fair share of the casualties - military and civilian. I am intrigued to learn of Goans who fought in past wars in various countries and are enlisted in the Indian armed forces in contemporary times. More on this another time. - B References: (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- Mario wrote: As we can plainly see, for Bosco, anyone who points out the notorious waiting lists in the FREE Canadian health care system for any serious medical procedure is a right wing conservative nut. RESPONSE: Mario, you DO NOT live in Canada. You live in the US and your news is doctored in your 'interest'. The whole world knows that. However you are the top cut-and-paste artist here while at the same time having close to zero knowledge about what you write about. Numero Uno!!! You are welcome to wallow in the xenophobia dished out to Americans by the likes of NCPA. No tangible data, just chest-thumping. Perhaps you are hooked on Shona Holmes too, who shows up on your tube at every commercial break. You have been trained well by the 'establishment'. You, having little positive to say about your own situation, but eager to put-down everybody else, Canadian Healthcare, British NHS, European socialists, Goan electorate, etc, etc... You are a typical political operative who only seeks to invent a boogie-man so that you can then tear it down. There is little positive you can say about your own situation. We see this cycle every couple of years in Sep-Nov in the US from the pol-ops. WARNING: Here is a video report on Canadian health care that Bosco should not watch because it will definitely put him on some waiting list up in Health Care Heaven, a.k.a. Canada: http://www.pjtv.com/video/Louder_With_Crowder/_PJTV_Undercover%3A_Steven_Crowder_Investigates_CanadaCareWill_ObamaCare_Be_Any_Better%3F/2153/;jsessionid=abclC2GRco1Bp-Bftqmls RESPONSE: If you are depending on an outlet called Pajamas TV for your news, I'm sure you also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too. So I will not burst your bubble. Keep blowing!!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Does your doctor judge you based on your color? -CNN.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:32 PM To: goa...@goanet.org http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649 RESPONSE: In June 2009 Mario passed off a few links bashing Canadian Healthcare. At the time it was demonstrated [1] Mario was pushing right-wing think-tanks who purported to write the 'gospel' on the state of Canadian Healthcare. Today he forwards a link from NCPA that details how Americans are living in the Garden of Eden. Once again Mario has forwarded links from a right-wing, conservative think-tank that seeks to promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector [2]. In order words, those Americans who cannot afford to pay for healthcare should be denied healthcare. The rest of Mario's gratuituous comments are ignored as he disgorges them here on a daily basis. - B References: [1] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-June/178627.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis
Re: [Goanet] Re-writing history
On Thu Jul 16 08:35:06 PDT 2009, Mario Goveia wrote: BTW, Iraq is now a sovereign democracy and a member of the UN RESPONSE: Now?? Now?? Now a member of the UN?? Now?? Iraq was admitted to the United Nations on December 21, 1945 [1] And 'now a sovereign democracy' we are told. Bah!!! The Economist Intelligence Unit's Index of Democracy lists Iraq in last place under Hybrid Regimes. It is classified as a borderline Authoritarian Regime, in 2006 [2] and 2008 [3]. Between 2006 and 2008 Iraq's ranking on the Index of Democracy slipped from 112 to 116. That is certainly a major feat and something to crow about from some quarters. Democracy [4] - majority rule or tyranny of the majority But what do we have here?? Re-writing history or fabricating history?? - B [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_member_states [2] http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMOCRACY_INDEX_2007_v3.pdf [3] http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/25828/20081021185552/graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy%20Index%202008.pdf [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia I live in the USA which has perspicaciously become an economic and military superpower by gladly using other people's brains and other people's money and every resident, whether citizen or not, is provided with all the considerable constitutional rights, other than the right to vote. RESPONSE: (A)merican (I)nternational (G)reed comes to mind! Alongwith (G)overnment (M)otors. OhLehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, CitiCorp, Goldman Sachs, BankAmits an extensive list [1]Mario is right.other people's (read present and future tax-payers') money was used to prop-up the legends of capitalism.vis-a-vis economic superpower. Dont be laughing at Mervyn. The Gold 'conspiracy' is alive and well!! Nevertheless, I do not see the connection with the sentiments of this thread - British citizens likely to lose their rights to properties purchased by them in Goa. - B Ref: [1] - http://bailout.uslaw.com/?page_id=353
Re: [Goanet] The state of US capitalism and Ayurveda medicine
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia First off, I'm grateful to Mario for proving me right as I had asserted towards the end of my previous post on this thread. Thank you Mario for being so predictable. Moving on Mario responds (excerpts) : On the other hand, Bosco and his cronies are left-leaning, liberal individuals Bosco objective information is to cite unsubstantiated anecdotes by a left leaning crony who has admitted to being a socialist It usually takes 2 messages in any thread for Mario to bring out the heavy-weaponry, name-calling and abuse. When that happens, one can sit back and have a good laugh knowing fully well that Mario has lost the debate, if at all there was a debate. Its time for him to throw tantrums and get giddy. That's when the binary bits get garbled..:-)) Here is a sample of Mario's conventional wisdom: accusing THEM of being biased, dishonest and greedy = personal invective and snide slurs Keep that in mind folks everytime you read Mario's messages. When Mario accuses somebody of being biased, it means he is directing personal invective and/or making a snide slur. Bosco only has biased personal anecdotes in response. Ooops!!! Appears Mario just directed personal invective at me and/or introduced a snide slur in this exchange. Naw-Naw, Mario..tch-tch-tch.you are violating your own grand-standing, no?? So predictable, yaar!!! So, let me provide another Canadian target and see how Bosco tries to demonize him. This one is John Turley-Ewart, the National Post's deputy comment Editor. In addition to writing editorials and op eds for the National Post and Financial Post, Turley-Ewart is a member of the National Post's editorial board: WOT??? Did Mario just say National Post??? O-M-G!! National Post, the newspaper established by Lord Conrad Black, who is now languishing in the Coleman Federal Correction Complex in Orlando, FL. National Post, did he say?? The same newspaper that cannot afford a print-run 7-days a week?? Oh waitinstead of wasting my time educating Mario, lets give him the link that is a tell-all. Hopefully he reads it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Post Whatever search engine Mario is using, it seems he only finds right-wing, conservative sources for his information. How very interesting!! WRT the op-editor, who has been accused of Islamophobia, among other things...oh wait, I guess that is enough reason for Mario to handout his business-card. Do not misunderstand me, I read the National Post (hardcopy) almost every weekday for a broader understanding of current issues and sometimes for a good laugh. Seriously, our own Goenkar, Fr Raymond J.deSouza, a descedent of Saligao, is a regular contributor to the National Post. See his recent column at: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/28/father-raymond-j-de-souza-predators-upon-the-flock.aspx Anyway Mario, I will put you out of your misery. This is my last contribution on this thread. Many of us know you well enough. You are a cut-and-paste champion, whether you understand the subject under discussion in a thread or not. You will argue endlessly even if the cows come home. 'Cut-and-Paste' accompanied with a few gratuitous comments thrown-in = your opinion on issuesVoila!! Another opportunity awaits you - The state of US capitalism and Ayurveda medicine - perhaps you do know something about the subject of this thread!! Andare nella PaceakaGo in Peace!! - Bosco
[Goanet] World Goa Day picnic - August 15th, 2009
-- Forwarded message -- From: G.O.A. News and Announcements Date: Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:28 PM G.O.A. Toronto Presents... World Goa Day Picnic! The Goan Overseas Association Toronto, Celebrating World Goa Day Date: Saturday, August 15th, 2009 Location: Coronation Park 1426 Lakeshore Road West Oakville (Third Line and Lakeshore Rd. W.) Event: POT LUCK PICNIC Music provided by DJ Fatz / Dancing under Shelter Area. Beach on site - safe for swimming. (No Life Guard), splash pad, tot area, bike path, beach volleyball/soccer games, activities for children and more... Bring your lawn chairs, blankets, refreshments This year's picnic is our International Charity Picnic in aid of Mr. Kennedy DeSouza, who sadly lost his battle to a brain tumor. Funds collected will be sent to his wife and infant child in Nairobi, Kenya. If you plan on attending, E-mail: sfurt...@goatoronto.com (by July 31st) Let us know how many people are in your party. Advise age gender of children. Details to follow. Charitable Events - Goan Overseas Association, Toronto
Re: [Goanet] The state of US capitalism and Ayurveda medicine
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Mario wrote: To the rest of Goanet, Bosco, who lives in Canada, as does Mervyn, says the information I posted from 2-0-0-6 is outdated and tries to ridicule me for posting it!! Well, I just chose that one article from a plethora of sources on the wonders of the Canadian health care system and thus unintentionally provided Bosco with the bait to embarrass himself:-)) To be fair to myself, I DID say the FREE Canadian health care system works great for hang nails, and probably for coughs and colds and other simple procedures that are non-life-threatening as well. I wonder if information from March 26, 2009 written by serious Canadians who actually study these things as compared with the supposed ad hoc views of friends and relatives, will make a better impression on Bosco, or will he resort to demonizing the messenger again. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS107447+26-Mar-2009+PRN20090326 Hey, Bosco, I wonder if Nadeem Esmail is as greedy as Dr. Brian Day:-)) RESPONSE: 'Serious Canadians'!!! There is no such thing 'Study'?? This is not a replicate of the Cato Institute, ok!!! The 'respected' Fraser Institute is a right-leaning, conservative think-tank and registered charity. It is a promoter of greater private sector involvement in the delivery of healthcare insurance and services [1] aka US-style of delivery of medicare. Naturally, it is opposed to the Canada Health Act and the government's role in delivering healthcare. Is it any surprise it generates reports saying the sky is falling down on the Canadian Health System?? The 'respected' Fraser Institute has a luminous list of staffers. Among them Mike Harris, former Conservative Premier of Ontario, famous for ravaging the health-system in the province of Ontario during his two-terms in office in the 90s. Another infamous staffer is Preston Manning, founder of the far-right Reform Party of Canada (1987 - 2000) [2]. Canada's current PM, Harper is a key-player from those early Reform Party days. Nadeem Esmail is employed by the Fraser Institute. He is Director, Health System Performance Studies. He is employed by a conservative think-tank that opposes the government's role in delivering healthcare. Dr Brian Day, is the former president of the Canadian Medical Association. He is an advocate for privatizing health care. [3] Having said that, no report or interview of any hot-shot is going to take away from a first-hand experience that Mervyn describes himself. I can relate to several cases of severely ill friends who received timely care and made complete recoveries from serious illnesses. On the flip-side the Canadian Health System is not perfect and not consistent across the country. Health is a provincial portfolio. The 'respected' Fraser Institute also generates another annual report - school report cards and ranking of schools in Ontario. Yes, I too notice the institute's obsession with Ontario. Need I add, the institute promotes private schooling over tax-payer/public-funded school boards. Good luck with your cut-and-paste jobs!! Glad it keeps you busy..:-)) Nevertheless, can you take this thread back to its origins? More than unlikely, but do prove me wrong!! Do you feel demonized, again??? Tch-tch-tch.:-)) - Bosco Sources: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_Canada [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Day
[Goanet] Fwd: Dolphy D'souza, Pres. BCS on Civic Issues on CNN -IBN on June 10.
-- Forwarded message -- From: presid...@bcsabha presid...@bcsabha.org Date: Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM Subject: Dolphy D'souza, Pres. BCS on Civic Issues on CNN -IBN on June 10. To: Dear Friends, Watch Dolphy D'souza, as Citizen Journalist on Civic Issues on CNN-IBN . The programme will be telecaston Wednesday, June 10: between 0800 a.m. to 0900 a.m and relayed again bet 1300 to 1400 hrs and 1500 hrs to 1600 hrs . Thank you, BCS TEAM.
Re: [Goanet] The state of US capitalism and Ayurveda medicine
-Original Message- From: Gilbert Lawrence Bosco, Darn those instant references, fact-checking, transcripts and video-links. More increasingly, the right-wing is being caught red-handed lying about the facts. See below: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/05/rick-sanchez-rips-bill-or_n_211971.html RESPONSE: I concur with the comments in para 1. All politicians are less than completely truthful. Re the weblink above - that is another in a series of partisan websites vis-a-vis US politics. It provides the opposite view of the links that Mario provides. I would not use it as a reference for anything. Arianna's theatrics on the tube are boring. Perhaps you are aware she was a right-winger in the 80s and 90s before turning into a liberal-Democrat after divorcing the oil-magnate [1]. - Bosco References: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Huffington
Re: [Goanet] The state of US capitalism and Ayurveda medicine
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo Looks like the US focus is on the costs of providing medical services. This is a significant difference from the Canadian focus which is?on providing a quality life style for its residents. Mario responds: I wonder if Mervyn has spoken with any Canadians before writing this. If he had he would have discovered that the Canadian quality life style includes being put on a medical waiting list for anything more serious than a hang nail: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/international/americas/26canada.html RESPONSE: It is true, the Canada Health Act [1] does not serve 100% of Canadians, 100% of the time.!!! However it appears that Mervyn is speaking from personal experience. While the Canada Health Act was instituted by the the Canadian parliament (federal), its implementation is a provincial jurisdiction. Mervyn lives in Ontario. He knows first-hand how the health system is benefiting his family (immediate and extended) and friends. Personally, seeing how the Health system here in Ontario is benefiting my friends (that includes non-active Goanetters), I have no hesitation in seconding Mervyn. Canada's Health Act is working well for the people I know. I'm sure there are exceptions. But in today's world of instant information to draw attention to an article from 2006 is indicative ofoutdated facts!!! Get with the times, Mario2-0-0-6!!! Geeez!!! Half of 2009 is almost over. To follow wait times in Ontario and more importantly, to follow wait times for surgery for life-threatening illnesses do not depend on Mario's outdated references. Instead refer to the Govt of Ontario's website [2]: The NY Times article that Mario refers us to talks about Dr Brian Day, a Canadian private health-care promoter. He hates the Canada Health Act as he cannot profit enough on account of it. Greed? Perhaps. Dr Brian Day is opposed to the Canada Health Act as he is prefers the for profit model. Is it any surprise that Mario is tooting Day's hornmind you from 2006. Canadian Health System - Its better to hear first-hand from a Canadian, rather than a cut-and-paste American!!! - Bosco aka Goan-Canadian Toronto, ON References: [1] http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/cha-lcs/overview-apercu-eng.php [2] http://www.health.gov.on.ca/transformation/wait_times/public/wt_public_mn.html#
Re: [Goanet] PM Manmohan Singh
Santosh, In reference to your post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-April/176943.html Is it safe to conclude that the weblinks you provided are kosher i.e. are they links to the mainstream Indian press and not to websites that sport a bias towards a political party/cause?? While I distrust all politicians, I do admire the astuteness some display. It is disappointing to see that India's leading political parties have thrust a septuagenarian and an octogenarian as Prime Ministerial candidates whether these candidates lied or not. That's all from me before I too am told to shut up. Geez!!! - Bosco From: Santosh Helekar Atal Behari Vajpayee has been reported to have told a big lie. Please see: http://www.geocities.com/tamiltribune/04/0301.html Manmohan Singh also has been reported to have been telling blatant lies. Please see: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/manmohan-singh-telling-blatant-lies-in-parliament-says-left_10074221.html; http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/17873.asp L. K. Advani, of course, has been reported to be a liar, as well. Please see: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/singhvi-and-mehta-make-an-echo-effect-call-advani-a-liar/448641/ http://www.rediff.com/election/2009/apr/08loksabhapoll-swiss-money-congress-calls-advani-a-liar.htm Lalu Prasad too is a habitual liar. Please see: http://jaibihar.com/lalu-is-a-habitual-liar/5754/
[Goanet] Slumdog Millionaire team donates $900K to help Mumbai slum kids
Slumdog Millionaire team donates $900K to help Mumbai slum kids The team behind the Oscar-winning film Slumdog Millionaire has fulfilled an earlier pledge to help the poor children living in Mumbai's slums. The filmmakers announced Thursday they are donating $900,000 to the international development charity Plan, which has been working in India for almost three decades. The goal is to help improve help the lives of 5,000 children living in Mumbai slum communities over the next five years, including through education initiatives and training in good hygiene and sanitation. Having benefitted so much from the hospitality of the people of Mumbai, it is only right that some of the success of the movie be plowed back into the city in areas where it is needed most and where it can make a real difference to some lives, Danny Boyle, Slumdog Millionaire's U.K. director, said in a statement. http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2009/04/16/slumdog-donation-charity-kids.html
Re: [Goanet] US Capt rescued
Gilbert Lawrence wrote: OK nearly all Few far right wing Republicans, who follow Rush Limbaugh, may be sulking at the success occurring under President Obama's watch. Mario observes: Secondly, Gilbert seems to be obsessed by Rush Limbaugh, a popular talk show host, even though we know from his comments that he does not listen to Mr. Limbaugh's show and gets his information from Mr. Limbaugh's political opponents. From a recent opinion from the ever-entertaining Limbaugh: Responding to a listener's call about flight of jobs, Limbaugh referred to President Obama's statement that the jobs aren't coming back to US. He said, They're outsourced for a reason, an economic reason, and they're not coming back. If you're sitting out waiting for a job that's now being done by a slumdog in India, and you're waiting for that job to be cancelled, for the slumdog to be thrown out of work, and you to get the job, it ain't going to happen. Source: Top RJ in US calls Indian BPO workers 'slumdogs' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US-RJ-calls-Indian-workers-slumdogs/articleshow/4400465.cms
Re: [Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests
Barad has posted an article on a subject that was highlighted here a month ago by Goanet News: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174186.html What is Barad's misdeed in this instance?? - B
Re: [Goanet] Many Happy Returns!
From: Mario Goveia Without excusing what AIG has chosen to do with their bonuses, which should only be paid to those who create corporate value as a percentage of that value RESPONSE: I take it you support the execs be paid bonuses. I concur. After all AIG, American International Greedy [1], company made 170 billion US dollars [2] last year from new sources, no?? Yes, Billions!! Many Happy Returns! And wish you many more!! - B [1] http://www.thebluebrick.net/christopherreeve.html [2] http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/170-billion-and-no-exit-in-sight/
Re: [Goanet] A clarification over a very surprising development.
From: floriano Let it be known that Menorah Paprika and Florien Lobo are both bonfire Goons and are leaders of individual political thinking. Floriano...for a moment I thought you had embraced Judaism and wanted to celebrate Hanuka fairly early this year, wanting to fire-up your Menorah with some spicy Paprika:-) It is a fact that the floosies who were working under-cover with camouflaged intensions through full page advertisements, promoting the BJP are now slowly coming out from the cold and exposing themselves. Haven't you promoted MP / BJP in the past?? And condemned the Congress as the worst enemy?? And therefore, I rest my case. Arre you are spending too much time in Court!! Masso-legs-upar-karo-ani-relax-kor!! - B
[Goanet] India Pavilion Carassauga Festival (Mississauga, Canada)
Those interested in the sponsorship packages for this event may please contact Sounder Dilipan. - Bosco -- Forwarded message -- From: Sounder Dilipan dili...@netultimate.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:15:19 -0400 Subject: India Pavilion Carassauga Festival Sponsorship Package NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF INDO-CANADIANS INDIA PAVILION AT CARASSAUGA FESTIVAL May 22, 23 and 24, 2009 Hershey Centre, Missisauga CARASSAUGA FESTIVAL is one of the largest multicultural festivals in Mississauga . More than thirty Communities/Countries will participate in this fun festival of three days, showcasing their culture. India Pavilion attracts over 20,000 people every year and National Association of Indo-Canadians is privileged to host the pavilion since inception of this festival. During this festival, we provide an opportunity to big and small business-houses to promote their services and products to the diverse population. This is more so if your target market is South-Asians. Following Sponsorship packages are offered. Contact us ASAP for bookings Best Regards,
[Goanet] Festival of Holi - March 11, 2009
Holi (referred to as Phagwa in Bhojpuri), also called the Festival of Colours, is a popular Hindu spring festival observed in India The main day, Holi, also known as Dhulheti, Dhulandi or Dhulendi, is celebrated by people throwing coloured powder and coloured water at each other. Bonfires are lit the day before, also known as Holika Dahan (death of Holika) or Chhoti Holi (little Holi). The bonfires are lit in memory of the miraculous escape that young Prahlad had when Demoness Holika, sister of Hiranyakashipu, carried him into the fire. Holika was burnt but Prahlad, a staunch devotee of Lord Vishnu, escaped without any injuries due to his unshakable devotion. Holi is celebrated on the full moon day in the month of Phalugna or Falguna (Phalgun Purnima), which usually falls in the later part of February or March. In 2009, Holi (Dhulandi) is on 11th March and Holika Dahan is on 10th March. Rangapanchami occurs a few days later on a Panchami (fifth day of the full moon), marking the end of festivities involving colours. Read more about the significance, rituals of Holi and more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holi
Re: [Goanet] Chinese goods
-Original Message- From: Samir Kelekar Indeed, China has created a revolution in manufacturing and has effectively become the manufacturing power house of the world. RESPONSE: Not surprising .. China has overtaken the United States as the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jun/19/china.usnews - B
Re: [Goanet] Did Narendra Modi Play Communial Card At Margao?
From: cedrico dacosta: As appeared in the Goa Observer...feb 28, 2009 edition: Did Narendra Modi Play Communial Card At Margao? Did the BJP play a communial card last sunday 15/2/2009 at Aquem, Margao where the much hyped public rally of BJP's fanatic Narendra Modi? While at the same time barely 200mts from the church inuagration Narendra Modi and his BJP cohots like Manohar Poriker were propogating the communial agenda of the BJP. RESPONSE: It appears the Select-Copy-Paste of text into the poster's email failed as the text was corrupted. What was posted here was not identical to what was posted in the GoaN Observer...feb 28, 2009 edition. See link below. http://goanobserver.com/god's-name-in-vain.html Unless ofcourse the poster deliberately mis-stated Goa Observer instead of Goan Observer! Creative, but not very creative!! - B
Re: [Goanet] DNA: India: Cow urine soft drink all set to hit markets
From: FN] As a counter question: do scientific tests support the possibility that smoking and alcohol are good for health? Or that nuclear weapons benefit humankind? RESPONSE: If India and Pakistan did not posses nuclear weapons, we would be at war, with major consequences, at least twice in the past decade, if nuclear weapons was not part of the equation. That is a benefit!! - B
[Goanet] Generating Clean Electricity in Goa
Any solution to global climate change will eventually have to involve the whole globe, not just the richest countries. That's why deals like the one announced Tuesday between Pasadena's eSolar and the Indian conglomerate Acme Group (http://acme.in/) are essential to any truly green global future. ESolar will sell Acme 1,000 megawatts worth of solar thermal technology, so that the latter can build a network of solar power plants in India's northern state of Haryana. SOURCE: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/devworldgreen.html COMMENT: Compared to Haryana does Goa receive longer hours of sunlight?? If so, a project like this could be the answer to Goa's electricity shortages. Hills stripped of iron-ore are perhaps ideal to locate this technology. Perhaps the air is less polluted in Haryana?? CAVEAT: Project can only fly if Goa's politicians can siphon 80% of project funds. - B
Re: [Goanet] Slum dog millionaire
We Demand Total Cultural Freedom! 'The Freedom' We Must Have! Nascy Caldeira Down Under Nasci, Perhaps you saw Slumdog Millionaire far too many times, eh?? And more than your stomach is churning.kitem re?? Are you still hearing voices in your head?? When you sign your name could you also include the local time. For e.g. Down Under - 10am or Down Under - 6:45pm - B T-dot - 9:58pm..oops 9:59pm
Re: [Goanet] Save the Environment: Eat Beef!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com -Original Message- From: Anthony M Barreto Mass massacre apart, as an environmentalist I do my bit by being a beef eater. And like minded people should consider the option and help reduce global warming. Reminded me of Matt talking of Mark Bittman aka The Minimalist on the radio this morning. Mark is visiting Toronto today, I think, to promote his new book. Besides being a celebrity chef, Mark is big on his Dont Eat Beef mantra and his column has a huge following. Not me, as yet! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/dining/11mini.html?_r=1 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090121.wlbittman21/BNStory/globebooks/home - B
Re: [Goanet] Slumdog Millionaire: Freida Pinto and Suzanne D'Mello
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com -Original Message- From: Eddie Fernandes Rene Barreto, who has been uncharacteristically silent... RESPONSE: He is on the road, soon to surface in Vasco, if not already there. Many thanks for the links to Dreams of Fire. Nice!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Thousands attend Hindu congregation in Panjim
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com -Original Message- From: edward desilva Bosco said: Original: Haven't you heard of wrong information being fed to educated Catholics?If you walk around Goa and make comments like above, will the peace and quiet remain??- B Edward said: If someone said all Goan Christians should gather in Panjim, how many do you think will do? Bosco! - there will be more spectators of other religion than Christians. RESPONSE: All your conspiracy theories are not going to distract from your irresponsible statements made in this post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-January/172654.html You would do yourself a favour by acknowledging your lapse instead of setting off on anectodal stories that are disconnected from your original transgression. Is that why my postings are delayed for questioning, before they are posted and often rejected! RESPONSE: Your postings are delayed because they have to be rejected more often than not. Help yourself here. I can't!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Thousands attend Hindu congregation in Panjim
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com -Original Message- From: edward desilva There has been peace and quiet in Goa between Hindus as Christians. Only way to create trouble in Goa is to Unite uneducated Hindus and feed wrong information to them. RESPONSE: Haven't you heard of wrong information being fed to educated Catholics? If you walk around Goa and make comments like above, will the peace and quiet remain?? - B
[Goanet] Woman.....Beach.......but a Goan woman on a Goan Beach???
SpiceJet was showcasing Goan Beaches in the December 2008 edition of their inflight magazine SpiceRoute. Follow the link for the cover image of the magazine: http://www.ink-live.com/spiceroute/2008/dec/ Double-click the image for larger image. If you wish to provide feedback to the editors of this magazine, email: Vanessa Mulquiney spiceroute...@ink-publishing.com
Re: [Goanet] Woman.....Beach.......but a Goan woman on a GoanBeach???
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com Mario is excused for his dull response in this thread. My original post lacked the right keywords that bring out his usual dour responses. Keywords like Saddam, Bush, Iraq, Islamophobia, Gaza, Jews, bail-out, bankruptcy, etc.. But Frederick here has thrown a few questions at me and answered them himself. Nevertheless, I shall extrapolate on the purpose of my message. As an expat yourself based half-way around the world, are you suggesting that nobody could publish a photograph of you in a Toronto mall, for instance? RESPONSE: First, good luck finding me in a Toronto mall and secondly, I hope you protest if somebody publishes my photo and describes me as a descendent of North American First Nations people. My post merely questioned whether this was a Goan Woman and whether this was a Goan Beach? Why? Keep reading. This is what transpired minutes before I sent my earlier message to Goanet. Goanetter Oscar Lobo during the course of his travels in India last month encountered the Dec 2008 edition of SpiecRoute Mag and wrote the editor of the magazine (and copied me besides several other Goans) about the distortion between the ethnicity of the woman in photo and the caption of the article beach goa. The editor responded thus: *** begin snippet On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Vanessa Mulquiney wrote: Dear Mr Lobo, Thank you for your email dated 6 Jan 2009. We appreciate your feedback and glad to hear that you enjoy travelling SpiceJet. In reference to the December issue of spiceroute, the professional photo library image portrayed on the front cover is that of a Goan hill tribe woman and not a Rajasthani woman as claimed. While we are aware that the image is not as common as beach goers wearing a sarong or bathing suit or the traditional Goan sari, for example, but it is incorrect to say that this image is not an uncommon sight in Goa. The spiceroute team is a mix of both western and Indian staff - including a Goan woman - who work to ensure that the magazine celebrates the wonderful diversity of India, is factually correct and culturally sensitive. *** end snippet *** I responded to the editor immediately thus: *** begin snippet *** On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Bosco wrote: Dear Vanessa, I agree with your assertion that the image in question is not an uncommon sight in Goa. However please note it does not make it an image of a Goan woman. Since you state this is an image of a Goan hill tribe woman, perhaps you or your staff that includes a 'Goan woman' would care to name the tribe. Even though I am a Goan, it is possible I do not know everything about my heritage and its diversity. On the flipside is it possible for Ink-Publishing to acknowledge that the woman in question is a gross misrepresentation of an ethnic Goan woman; ethnic as in a Goan woman not wearing a sarong or bathing suit or the traditional Goan sari. I acknowledge the image is of a woman probably on a Goan beach and nothing more. A 30-second google revealed the following: http://www.maharashtratourism.net/images/tribes.jpg http://www.maharashtratourism.net/tribes.html And there are thousands of similar photographs I reckon you understand what is being parlayed here. Wish you, Ink Publishing and SpiceJet the best in 2009!! *** end snippet *** I notice subsequent to my message to the editor several other Goans wrote the editor of SpiceRoute Mag and I'm certain Frederick has received copies of the same. If anybody agrees with the editor's assertion above perhaps you can name the tribe like I have requested. Or perhaps you know the 'Goan woman' on the SpiceRoute Mag staff?? Or perhaps this is a 'hill tribe' that has recently re-settled in Goa and has been christened 'Goan' by some of our powerful and mighty. The photo in question is most likely a $49 stock photo from Getty Images that was improperly captioned by the original photographer. - Bosco PS. Ofcourse we will hear from Mario again, he must add to the din.
[Goanet] Seeking information on Mallikeshwar Temple
* * * * * * * * * ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET * * * * * * * * * Goanetters in Goa and visiting meet Jan 6, 2009 at 3.30 pm at Hotel Mandovi (prior to the Goa Sudharop event, which you're also welcome to). Join in for a Dutch dinner -- if we can agree on a venue after the meet. RSVP (confirmations only) 9822122436 or 2409490 or f...@goa-india.org The Mallikeshwar Temple is located just inside Goa's borders, south of Mollem on the banks of a river that flows in from Karnataka and appears to be a tributary of the Mandovi. Can anybody please explain what is Kalostava and what is the name of the river? Thank you - Bosco Dudhsagar Kala Kendra, Collem, will organize an All Goa Bhajani contest on the occasion of Mallikeshwar Temple's Kalostava in the premises of Mallikeshwar Temple on January 16 from 4 pm. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=14980cid=26
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos:Empty Miramar Beach, Empty Bunkers, Empty chairs on the new year's nite
* * * * * * * * * ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET * * * * * * * * * Goanetters in Goa and visiting meet Jan 6, 2009 at 3.30 pm at Hotel Mandovi (prior to the Goa Sudharop event, which you're also welcome to). Join in for a Dutch dinner -- if we can agree on a venue after the meet. RSVP (confirmations only) 9822122436 or 2409490 or f...@goa-india.org Either our friend, JoeGoaUK has got a new job with the Herald or the Herald has taken note of JoeGoaUK's various complaints of acts of plagiarism of his photos. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=14905cid=1 Either wayJoeGoaUK has been published in Goa's daily. Well done, Joe!! - B
Re: [Goanet] Please identify these heavenly bodies
* * * * * * * * * ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET * * * * * * * * * Goanetters in Goa and visiting meet Jan 6, 2009 at 3.30 pm at Hotel Mandovi (prior to the Goa Sudharop event, which you're also welcome to). Join in for a Dutch dinner -- if we can agree on a venue after the meet. RSVP (confirmations only) 9822122436 or 2409490 or f...@goa-india.org From: JoeGoaUk Please identify these heavenly bodies http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3154579636/ Was an interesting arrangement of the planets with the Moon a month or so ago. Was visible all over the Northern Hemisphere. Back here we were blessed with a few clear days at night to enjoy the celestial sight. The use of an average binoculars coupled with steady hands revealed some interesting companions of the smaller-looking planet on the right. Joe, I guess this was the last time you and I could enjoy this celestial spectacle of this threesome. Rural Goa is a fantastic location to observe the heavens especailly when the air is dry - its close to the city, many hills to choose a vantage location and for humour one can almost always hear some commotion in the local bar. - B Ref: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/545772
Re: [Goanet] God sucks
-Original Message- From: edward desilva Hi Bosco, Are we talking about God or different religions, according to their beliefs in God. There is a question raised, if Qur'an is the word of God, in what language was it written in. If one says Arabic, Arabic language did not exist during Muhammad's days. Gods words in Gods language - what language is it? RESPONSE: Regretably, I am not qualified to respond to your query. Secondly, as I said in my earlier post, I have no intention to enter the discussion per se. I just wanted to draw attention to the article and the resulting comments that were much like what we see here. - B
[Goanet] Goa Police: How to identify a t.....
http://www.goagovt.nic.in/police/Lets.doc As you celebrate and usher in 2009... BE ALERT! BE VIGILANT!! BE SAFE!!!
[Goanet] FICTION: My House is Your House - a short story
Sudeep Chakravarti (born 1963) is the author of the bestselling debut novel Tin Fish, published in 2005. He has since had two more works published, both in 2008. Red Sun - Travels in Naxalite Country, a work of narrative non-fiction, is a critically acclaimed bestseller. Once Upon a Time in Aparanta is a satire set in the churn of present-day Goa. Chakravarti is also a columnist, professional futurist, and consultant to media. He lives in Goa, where he is engaged in writing his third novel, a second work of non-fiction, and setting up a marine conservation initiative. This is his first short story. AND SO, to Sinbad's lair. The cocaine whores are already there when I arrive. Sinbad likes cocaine whores: boys and girls; and if they come by, in-betweens. Having them around fills his sails. It's a sickle moon tonight, and sickly, captured by streamers of cloud. Even with the moon largeand luminous, free in the sky, there is a curious space between the wrought iron gate and the verandah. This is a walk of only a dozen steps, a chessboard of velvet grass and granite that keeps at bay tentative rushes of palm, hibiscus and bird of paradise. Here, the light from the sharp gate lamps and bright rainbow souk-lanterns on the balcony, the laughter of the whores, the chink of glasses touching or the urgent sound of one breaking, are all muted. http://tehelka.com/story_main41.asp?filename=hub100109house_house.asp
Re: [Goanet] God sucks
We have had several responses on this thread, sometimes from the same individuals, some articulating their thoughts lucidly, others unintelligibly. While I have no intention to enter the discussion per se, it is often observed that issues/comments/reports regarding religion and/or God strike a strong chord among some religionist and irreligionists alike the world over. I'd like to draw your attention to a newspaper article (re religion/God) dated Dec 23/08 in the Toronto Star and the subsequent 24 pages of comments that the article generated in 16 hrs of its publication online: http://www.thestar.com/article/557645 The focus is on the comments, not on the article itself to indicate how vocal religionist and irreligionists are the world over. The columnist is the celebrated Tom Harpur, Canadian theologian and author of the bestselling 'The Pagan Christ' (Thomas Allen Publishers, Toronto, 220pp, $34.95, ISBN # 0-88762-145-7) Season's Greetings - B References: http://www.tomharpur.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Harpur
Re: [Goanet] Goan joke
-Original Message- From: Marshall Mendonza I received this joke in my mail-box. Thought of sharing with you. Enjoy. Goan Joke A Goan family in Varca was puzzled when the coffin of their dead mother arrived from Canada. It was sent by one of the daughters RESPONSE: Above 'Goan' Joke was first published on Goanet by Cecil Pinto on Sep 2, 2003[1]. A cursory review of Google indicates Cecil's version predates the Mauritian, Kerala versions. Perhaps the tome below is real afterall; out of print, a collectors edition. Prof DaCosta, take note!! Risque Goan Jokes (pp 170, Rs. 290/- softcover) Compiled and translated by Cecil Pinto - b [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@goanet.org/msg03709.html
Re: [Goanet] A pair of shoes
Mario responds: when this ungrateful maniac would have been dispatched RESPONSE: Aye-aye-aye.at the risk of irking 'amcho Bushacho posko'why ungrateful.he/his family/his tribe might have benefited from the SH largesse, no?? Somebody sent me a weblink to a Norwegian website where 3.5 million people have thrown an i-shoe at Bush. And like most issues these days, its running riot on Facebook. There is also a story that Bush is happy he did not liberate Holland insteadclogs!! So much for Late Night television. Nevertheless, Bush has left us with memorable weaves and bobs.perhaps De La Hoya should have taken a few lessons from Bush before being thrashed by Manny last weekend. At the end of the day, Bush (43) was Mario's second-most favorite President. Just like me, albeit for different reasons...;-)!! - b
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
-Original Message- From: Marshall Mendonza Bosco D'Mello:As a first-generation American at a very early age, it is possible that one is not aware of the extent of the activities of the VHP 'back home'. Response: Are you suggesting that she became a member and office bearer of an organisation without knowing its constitution and the ideology it stands for? Are you suggesting that as a fund raiser, she did not know for what purposes the funds were being used ? Are you suggesting that she was totally ignorant about the activities of the VHP despite the media publicity? RESPONSE: YesI believe she was only involved in relief work post-Gujarat earthquake. These are my conclusions based on my limited reading on the issue. Bosco D'Mello: Perhaps Sonal Shah should be judged by her work going forward rather than her associations of the past. Response: Should we offer the same privilege to Narendra Modi too? What about Dawood Ibrahim and sundry others? RESPONSE: It is inappropriate of you to associate Sonal with the other individuals above. Our views on issues evolve as we mature. There are various factors that influence what we say and what we do as we grow. So its likely Sonal joined and quit the VHPA. So what??? I do not believe Sonal has committed any criminal act and so we cannot associate her with any inappropriate activity of the VHP. Bosco D'Mello:Perhaps we are far too obsessed with this story and forgetting issues closer to home. Response: Bosco, I think you are missing the link between the VHPA and VHP back home. The one which is in the limelight for its terror activities against minorities, the latest in Orissa, Mangalore and elsewhere. RESPONSE: You are making far too many assumptions for one post.:-) I do not live in an insular coccoon. The funding of this organisation primarily comes from the expats in the USA and UK. Back in Goa, the HJS and SS, off-shoots of the VHP are in the forefront of creating communal discord. eg: FACT exhibition, protest against screening of M F Hussain's documentary at the IFFI. There are several links in the chain. Let us not become blind and complacent. RESPONSE: I agree we should not become blind and complacent. But to what degree are you willing to blame Sonal and her work for the neafrious activities of the organizations you mention above. Is she responsible for communal discord? terror activities against minorities?? Sonal is an economist first and everything else next. She has been tapped by Obama on account of her economic prowess. Like I said, chasing the enigma named Sonal is not addressing the issues closer to home albeit it appears you have clued-in by mentioning some of their names above. - b
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
I think the Sonal Shah episode raises a few questions about the nature of the Indian elites, particularly their opportunism. RESPONSE: Opportunism is practiced by elites and others vis-avis everyone. Haven't we seen a Rajan Parrikar fulminate against 'ghantis' back home, and then proudly hold up his US ballot paper to the camera and tell us (quite late in the day, when the direction of the wind was more than clear) that he was a proud Obama supporter? RESPONSE: Many people voted for Obama because they disliked Bush!! And Mario tells us regularly why people dislike Bush. Does Sonal Shah reflect just the opportunism of the Indian expat, or also the gullibility/machiavellianism of an Obama, willing to settle in office and not too worried about the compromises with whomever at the ideological level? RESPONSE: America the land of opportunity - where all things are possible. It is unlikely the average expat knows fully well the extent of their involvement with organizations connected 'back home'. In 30-odd days we will know whether Obama has dressed himself in a straight-jacket trying to be everything to all people. Ms. Shah, former member of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, has said if she could have anticipated the outfit's role in the 2002 communal violence in Gujarat, she would have never associated with its U.S. branch, a year before the incident. This is an ingenuous argument. I guess all those who joined the Nazi party before 1939 could have said the same. We all know the ideology of any organisation we join, and we are guided by that. RESPONSE: As a first-generation American at a very early age, it is possible that one is not aware of the extent of the activities of the VHP 'back home'. This individual is a high-performer, perhaps with a busy professional/family life, happy to lend a hand and her name to the country of her roots - India via the VHP. Perhaps Sonal Shah should be judged by her work going forward rather than her associations of the past. Perhaps we are far too obsessed with this story and forgetting issues closer to home. - b
Re: [Goanet] Mixing Politics and Sports
-Original Message- From: Sandeep Heble Art has the power to transcend the barriers. We should learn to love and appreciate good art when we see it. Sports and music too are forms of Art. Let's respect that and try to keep politics aside from sports. RESPONSE: Are not most aspects of society tainted with a political perspective. Not necessarily in India/Goa alone. Team selections, posts, etcare filled as per political persuasions. What happened at the Indian Hockey Federation recently?? Having said that, were India to clash with Pakistan (cricket) and were an Indian citizen to support Pakistan, I would find that behavior objectionable but I would not create a big fuss over it. RESPONSE: This was a fairly common phenomenon in some parts of Mumbai - Indians cheering for Pakistan's cricketers. Led to occasional (sometimes serious) problems too. India-Pak cricket series in Sharjah created similar tensions while making Mr Bukhari wealthier. Then again in Goa, Goans cheering for Portugal in the Euro Cup created problems. We had some strong exchanges on Goanet too. Its appears politics is a significant part of our psyche - (un)knowingly!! - b
Re: [Goanet] Who speaks for us Hindus ?
From: Samir Kelekar : Mario dont talk crap. Where did I talk of censoring or ostracizing? Mario responds: OK, but is it alright if I illustrate your crap? I am only urging the public to note the above. From: Bosco D'Mello Why are you urging the public to note the above. Mario responds: Bosco, Do you have anything specific to say about the points raised by Samir Kelekar and myself in this exchange, or anything that would add to the discussion? Or is that you must see your name in every Goanet Digest?? RESPONSE: Mario...Its obvious you missed my contribution to the discussion...Pls review Goanet Digests for the past week and tell us what you learn about your your number of postings. It was you who was reminded this past week on more than one occasion of your lapses. On second thoughts, you are best advised to take an early Christmas break for the rest of the year. Game's up!!! - b
Re: [Goanet] Goa: A haven for anti-social activities
Vinay, Thank you for drawing attention to the Organizer article. My comments interspersed below - cynical comments, that are usually directed at politicians / political parties. One should not be surprised at the son for inheriting his father's fraudulent nature and raping a 14 year-old German minor and then denying the crime. RESPONSE: ALLEGED rape. The mother of the German rape victim was threatened and pushed so violently that she was forced to withdraw her charges out of fear when she realised that she would never get justice from the Congress Government in Goa. RESPONSE: Is justice meted out by governments in India?? Laws are passed by assemblies, parliament (in this case), enforced by Police and upheld by courts, no?? Thank you Mr Kureekat (RIP). If the rape of the German minor girl has understandably angered activists and NGO's working for Women, the severing of a finger with a chopper of a lawyer who wanted to take up the rape victim's case against Rohit Monserrate is proof of the complete breakdown of the law and order situation in Goa- courtsey the Congress Government. RESPONSE: ALLEGED rape. Severed finger?? Really?? Severed?? According to studies by Transparency International, Goa is among the most corrupt states in India. RESPONSE: Are we not always told Goa is Number 1??? Dont we tell ourselves and pat each other saying we are the besht!! Here is our vindication. The recent two brutal incidents-death of Scarlett Keeling and the rape of the German minor will definitely have a negative impact on the tourism in Goa. RESPONSE: What about the Global economic crisis?? Will that be a factor?? It is said that the Goa police are deliberately covering up the Scarlett Keeling murder and the rape incident to protect tourism in Goa. But the bizarre happenings in Goa have been exposed by an incisive media. RESPONSE: How cute!!! This article had humor to accompany the hyperbole, eh??? Incisive media?? There was a cute news story posted by Frederick Noronha post-Pale elections - a post-mortem on why the self-destructive BJP lost and why the moribund Congress won. Waz very cute, yaar!! The storyline!!! Ofcourse our resident pundits had predicted a different outcome for Pale. Does it really matter if the Congress or BJP won?? Either way the constituents lose, right?? Often the victim's family is threatened if the alleged rapist is someone in a powerful position as it is with Rohit Monserrate. RESPONSE: Finally the author got it right - ALLEGED. What is shameful and difficult to digest is that all these crimes against women are happening when two Congress women politicians are holding the reins of the ruling Congress Government. RESPONSE: What about the Miramar prostitution 'story'?? Was that fact or fiction?? Just like many news stories from the incisive media that story disappeared too?? What happened to the alleged perpetrators when the BJP was in power in Goa?? Sonia Gandhi is fully absorbed in vote grabbing political manoeuvre which leaves her with little time for taking up genuine, pressing issues of women's welfare. RESPONSE: Ofcourse, she is a politician first. Which other politician is not doing what is alleged of Sonia above. It is interesting how and why Indian politicians within and outside the Congress Party are over-awed with Sonia G. Perhaps India's octogenarian / nonagenarian politicians are yet to purge the vestiges of colonial mindsets What is difficult for an academician like me to digest RESPONSE: Wt??? All these inconsistencies from an academic?? Nevertheless I agree with the title of the article - Goa: A haven for anti-social activities. Perhaps an academic paper was in order. But for both incidents addressed we only had/have alleged murderer(s) and alleged rapist. What about all the other anti-social activities - mainly breaking of the law - besides traffic laws, environmental laws, bribery, sound pollution after 10pm, drugs, prostitution Perhaps a genuine Congress or BJP supporter in our midst would care to blunt my expressed cynicism. Happy Wednesday!! - b
[Goanet] India in Mourning: My Week in Mumbai and Goa (John Landis)
Mumbai, India--My wife Deborah and I arrived in Mumbai at 10pm on Wednesday, November 26th. We were spending the night in Mumbai on our way to Goa early the next morning, where I was being honored and Deborah was giving a Master Class at the International Film Festival of India. There was the usual crowded confusion at the airport and we were unaware of anything out of the ordinary. A man was holding a sign with a list of names, including Deborah's. He drove us to the hotel listed on our itinerary where the desk clerk told us that our reservation had been canceled. After the 20-hour trip from LA, this did not make us happy and we called our Indian contact who said he was at the airport waiting for us, to stay put and that he would come and get us. He moved us to the Leela Kempinski Hotel, closer to the airport. In Goa, the mood at the International Film Festival of India was somber and most of the gala events canceled. However, the Festival, with its international offering of films, soldiered on to great success. Goa was quiet, although the Anjuna flea market was filled with Russian and European tourists. Despite the heat, humidity and gunfire, our Indian hosts treated us royally at the India Film Festival. The local government insisted we have bodyguards our entire stay in Goa. We had two alternating bodyguards, a quiet Goan plainclothes cop named Johnson, and a sari clad village woman who proudly showed me her Colt 45 that she kept in her handbag. With two members of the international jury (and our security), and we took the rusted flat-bottomed car ferry across the Mandovi River to Divar Island to visit an old Portuguese church. We were surprised to find that a big service was in progress in the middle of the day. Goans dressed in white massed around the church entrance and every pew was filled. A flower-laden hearse arrived and within moments, we heard the sounds of a small brass band leading mourners into the church. This was the funeral for the first casualty of the Mumbai attacks, the young chef of the Taj Hotel, murdered in the hotel kitchen. All of India is in mourning. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-landis/india-in-mourning-my-week_b_148441.html John David Landis (born August 3, 1950) is an American film actor, director, writer and producer. He is mostly known for his influential comedies and his music videos with Michael Jackson; Landis has also done many horror projects. Incidentally this past week was the 25th anniversary of the release of Michael Jackson's blockbuster, Thriller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Landis
Re: [Goanet] Who speaks for us Hindus ?
This is a classic Goanet thread!! Mired in a game of ping-pong until one of the participants blinks. Standby, this good go on for weeks!! A thread that involves Mario; could go on for weeks!! From: Samir Kelekar : Mario dont talk crap. Where did I talk of censoring or ostracizing? Mario responds: OK, but is it alright if I illustrate your crap? With the advent of the OCI, even the Indian government disagrees with Mr. Kelekar. I am only urging the public to note the above. RESPONSE: Why are you urging the public to note the above. Do you think the public cannot read and digest what they read? Do you think the public does not know where Rajan Parrikar or Samir Kelekar stand on issues related to Goa?? Is that why, perhaps, Samir Kelekar is right, above?? Or is that you must see your name in every Goanet Digest?? - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Tribute to Hemant Karkare - Julio Ribeiro
From: Santosh Helekar It is really sad to see a tribute to a fallen hero being sullied by such cheap political propaganda, and I doubt a dignified person like Julio Ribeiro would ever do such a thing. Please compare the two versions of the article at the following links: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1167697sid=a2ac998cc9a6a2badbdeaf0932c34fa5 http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=VE9JTS8yMDA4LzExLzI4I0FyMDA3MDE=Mode=HTMLLocale=english-skin-custom RESPONSE: As far as being a credible source of news I have little doubt that the latter is more credible than the former (an online forum). However it is not clear if JFR authored the column or was interviewed for the column. Chronology: TOI article above is dated Nov 28, 2008 - No time of posting available FF article above is dated Nov 29, 2008, 3:42pm - Timezone or Location not identified Nov 30, 2008 @ 1232hrs IST, The Economic Times (affiliate of TOI) post a news article from IANS (http://ians.in/) that gives one the impression that JFR was interviewed by IANS. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3775688.cms The truth is somewhere out there - b
Re: [Goanet] Tribute to Hemant Karkare - Julio Ribeiro
-Original Message- From: Marshall Mendonza Of late I notice that for a person claiming to possess scientific temper, Santosh has developed a habit of rushing to conclusions without getting his basics right. Though I do not owe Santosh any explanation, out of courtesy, RESPONSE: Marshall you dont owe Santosh or anybody an explanation. You owe it to yourself. If you are going to distribute information, it should be unadulterated. A simple regret for including the wrong link would have been appropriate. Even the TOI link you provided is incorrect. This I believe is the right link: http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOIBaseHref=TOIM/2008/11/28PageLabel=7EntityId=Ar00701ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T As it is almost every media outlet seems politically influenced in one way or another. It appears like a tug at the heartstrings of the populace. Watching the events in Mumbai on TV and the hundreds of photos I perused and being very familiar with the locations, I was surprised at the number of media personnel and gawkers that were perpetually present at these locations at all times. Those were war-zones!! And who is to say whether some 'bad-guys' themselves were not rescued in the gol-maal?? - b
Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa
Gilbert Lawrence wrote: Gilbert you raise some interesting issues My reading The population demographics of Goa in the mid-late 16 th century, from my reading RESPONSE: In reference to your reading, could you kindly share some references, perhaps a bibiliography that one should peruse for an understanding on this issue. Thank you - b
[Goanet] Jorge de Abreu Noronha
Nov 27 - It was a year ago that Jorge departed this earthly life. He is thought of sometimes and we miss his attention to detail on historical facts. We learnt a fair bit from his notes over the years. - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Terror attacks
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto wrote: It is surprising to me that I have not seen yet a single email from Goanet readers contemning these terrorist acts. --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Santosh Helekar responded: It is not surprising if you recognize the fact that condemnation of communal violence on Goanet is done only when it fits within a partisan political and ideological agenda. But to those of us who have to and prefer to deal with these tragedies with quiet sadness and solemnity, condemnation has no meaning. RESPONSE: The ongoing events in Mumbai are not classified as Communal Violence. Terrorists and terrorism only believe in the ideology of violence. Terrorists target all religions, races, nationalities, ethnic groups, etc.unlike Communal Violence. In some countries acts of terrorism are distinguised from Criminal Acts. The relationships between communal violence and political/ideological agendas is usually self-evident. Acts of communal violence and terrorism, tragedies in themselves, are dealt with quiet sadness and solemnity by many. Condemnation alone of either on Goanet has no meaning in itself, perhaps!! - b Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_violence
[Goanet] PHOTOS: Terror Attacks in Mumbai
Photos being added at regular intervals at both sites. http://www.flickr.com/search/?d=taken-20081125-q=mumbai+m=text http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27930602/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/1/ Also those on www.twitter.com can get several firsthand accounts
Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa
Radhakrishnan Nair wrote: Bernado, One day you'll be unmasked. Then your jokes won't be funny! RESPONSE: Unmasked??? RKN it appears you are out of the loop, again.:-) It appears you missed Bernado's photo when it was posted here. - b
Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa
Bernado Colaco wrote: Goans for the past 46 years have been given to believe that 19 of Dec is the 'Liberation' Day of Goa. RESPONSE: 47 not 46..are you trying to take-away a year of freedom?? Arre Bernard!!! Today who knows what would have happened without the actions of Albuquerque. RESPONSE: One thing is certain. You would not be sending us absurd messages from Macau. Do we blame Albuquerque or your cousins?? - B :-)) PS. Tks for your other note. Not sure why I received it.
Re: [Goanet] The Exact Role and Definition of NRI's in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com It was Jose Colaco I believe who opined that English may be a difficult language, so kindly excuse the challenges I face in responding to Roland. Roland Francis wrote: While my remarks about boorish comments from Samir Kelekar about Overseas Goans according to you do not take the debate forward, is it your opinion that the following remarks he made does? Quote They should also ask what their fathers were doing when freedom fighters were fighting for freedom. Licking Portuguse boots, being Portuguese empregad, or slaves? Their sons are now sitting in Australia and UK and are teaching Indians freedom. Get lost guys, no one in Goa is listening to you. You are not needed. Unquote RESPONSE: Perhaps you should ask yourself...Do two wrongs make a right? What exactly did you achieve?? I find your following comment quite intriguing: Quote This I believe is the ethos of Goanet - to give a voice to the voiceless. But the hegemony of a few who insist on monopolizing the available bandwidth on a daily basis (for the past several months) drowns out those that need or want to be heard...for eg. Sebastian Rodrigues, Philip Neri, Valmiki Faleiro, Godfrey Gonsalves, Joao Fernandes, Samir Umarye and many-many more.. Unquote What are you saying Bosco? That Goanet should be the exclusive domain of a selected few and that the janta should not be occupying space? RESPONSE: Like Jose said.English may be a ... ..to understand what I wrote, Roland..please ask yourself.do Sebastian Rodrigues, Philip Neri, Valmiki Faleiro, Godfrey Gonsalves, Joao Fernandes, Samir Umarye..monopolize the available bandwidth??? Kitem re?? How many times a week do you hear from them??? Very easy to fix Bosco, in your moderator role. Just cut them off. RESPONSE: I have publicly stated several times that Goanetters should self-moderate to save the need to moderate. We are dealing with adults, right?? And who decided that the ethos which means the character, the moral element, of Goanet is to give a voice to the voiceless? RESPONSE: Good question Roland?? That's your homework. And even if were a place for the voiceless as you say it should be, pray tell how Sebastian Rodrigues, Phillip Neri, Valmiki Faleiro et al are not getting their own voices on Goanet. Very simple Rolandyou are responding to my msg instead of responding to the issues and views of the above gentlemen as they relate to Goa. They are the ones on the ground; you and I have Goa in our minds!!! For me perhaps, its a state of mind!!! As Bosco the poster, this post of yours was rather lacking in rationale. RESPONSE: Perhaps you are right!!! And it is not the first time I lacked rationale. Now that you have reached here...I hope you will do the right thing!!! - b
Re: [Goanet] Christian leaders wake up to the plight of the community
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com -Original Message- jane gillian rodrigues fwd note from J Peter Rodrigues Whilst, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, are all granted government benefits, it is paradoxical that Christians are being refused the same, especially since the latest survey of the National Sample Survey Organization (NSSO) dated 31.3.2007 reveals that the unemployment rate among Christians is higher than that of Hindus and Muslims. In Urban areas, the unemployment rate of Christians was 8.6% higher than other religious groups, which was 4.4% for Hindus and 4.1% for Muslims. Also, unemployment was highest 14% among Urban Christian women. The Report was an extensive study, covering 1,24,680 sample households, 79,306 of them in 7,999 villages and the rest in 4,602, urban areas. RESPONSE: NSSO or not, unless the details of the data sample are made available within the context of the data gathered, the data is easily misrepresented. In an Urban area like a large colony in Malad or Bandra, Mumbai, one could possibly find an even larger percentage of unemployed Christian women. That is not representative of Christian women in Mumbai. Statistical analysis would be inaccurate unless the context of data gathered is made available. The population size is far to great. - b
[Goanet] SITEWATCH: www.alexfernandesportraits.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com Folks..Photographer Alex Fernandes has upgraded his website and sends the below note: - b 'Portrait Atelier' has changed to www.alexfernandesportraits.com. The' Portrait Atelier' web site is no more operational and in the future my work on the web may be viewed will be at the above site (I will still offer you my portrait services). The new web site is a compilation of my work done exclusively in Goa during the last 5 years (2004- 2008). The portrait sitters are mainly Goan's, which makes these portraits unique (you will see faces you may know) and reflects the photographic style and technique that I developed here in Goa. The result is a combination of classic photographic techniques with the latest digital technology. I have included a very concise bio of myself and a short essay on what my work means to me in the web site at (http://www.alexfernandesportraits.com/work.html ). I am quite aware that photographers are their own worst critics but I am sure you may find certain facts and observations interesting. Kindly pass on the information and I would love to hear your comments at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . My warmest wishes, Alex
Re: [Goanet] The Exact Role and Definition of NRI's in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com -Original Message- There have always been some strident voices on Goanet trying to choke off any criticism of Goa by overseas Goans and of their negative experiences there. I am not talking of the likes of Frederick Noronha who have in most circumstances always kept a balanced view. For a latest example, Samir Kelekar's absolutely boorish comments on overseas Goans do not reflect well on his PhD. To me the man is as ignorant an ass as they come, son of Gurunath Kelekar or not. RESPONSE: Perhaps it has never ocurred to some of us (NRGs) that there are perhaps hundreds, nay thousands of Goans who share Samir's point of view. Criticism of Samir as an individual is misplaced at best; he is only a single voice of many. While Selma and Gabriel have illustrated their counterview appropriately, resorting to responses as above dont take the debate forward. Here is a snippet from a very senior Goan journalist in Goa: QUOTE: I see in every issue of GT letters to the Editor from non-resident Goans preaching what we should or should not do or how our politicians and our governments have failed Goa. Their advice is thankfully accepted. But could any one of them please tell us why don't they come back and take on the reconstruction of our fatherland? Why don't they realize that the politicians are where they are because the resident Goans have put them there? Why don't they realize that corruption has become in Goa a way of life? May be we have collectively succumbed to despair and having failed to drive them away have joined them. But is there something anyone can do about it? END-QUOTE SOURCE: Mario Cabral e Sa, (October 2008). Incredible GOA!, Goa Today, Pg 11 Because we dont hear all voices, does not mean they do not exist. This I believe is the ethos of Goanet - to give a voice to the voiceless. But the hegemony of a few who insist on monopolizing the available bandwidth on a daily basis (for the past several months) drowns out those that need or want to be heard...for eg. Sebastian Rodrigues, Philip Neri, Valmiki Faleiro, Godfrey Gonsalves, Joao Fernandes, Samir Umarye and many-many more.. - b
Re: [Goanet] Daman news letter - GLOBAL DAMAN COMMUNIY
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] renebarreto wrote: Friends ! I often advocated the need for a Global Goan eNewsletter - my suggestions to my learned Goan friends and Goan Associations seems to have fallen on deaf ears :-) I took a break to let the Goans think about this idea and embarked on my idea to another Community - a community similar to ours - ** The Global Damanese Commuity ** Can we ?Yes - WE GOANSCAN ! RESPONSE: Perhaps it is better to celebrate what we as a community have achieved rather than dwell on what we have not albeit there is always room to work on our shortcomings. And there is much to celebrate for the Goan community. I could be mistaken with the exact details but...Frederick Noronha did publish a Whats on in the Goan World newsletter every forthnight (or monthly) some time ago. Such initiatives can be very successful in a collaborative model that several people can contribute to. To start off volunteers have to step forward. Everything is possible with a few people and time!! - b
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: This morning, I went to a ATM near Preston Market. I had to do a double-take - in the corner, conspicuous by its presence, was a bright-red splotch. That left by paan. RESPONSE: Recollected this thread after I heard a young Indian woman on the radio this morning describing her regular jaunts to Gerard India Bazaar. She was born in Toronto and has gone to India infrequently. Nevertheless she loves her paan. She featured on the program to focus attention on Oral Cancer rates in the South Asian community in Canada. Some details: Chewing Paan - perhaps the next Gilouree is the last one for some albeit it is likely the poster-men, AB/SRK's Paan Banaraswalla that inspires the passion to chew, spit, chew, spit.. Paan ingredients include shavings of the betel and areca nut. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) regards the chewing of betel-quid and areca nut to be a known human carcinogen. In North America Oral Cancer rates are approx 2% while in India oral cancer represents up to 40% of all cancers. Another reason to manage a lifestyle habit, chewing paan, just like smoking and alcohol consumption. Spread the word!!! - b REF: http://www.gerrardindiabazaar.com/paan.php?secid=2catid=8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_cancer
Re: [Goanet] Saffron Terror
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario asks Marshall comments Mario writes Marshall comments Mario writes (again) Marshall comments (again) And so it went ontoday like most daysit is Monday afteralland Dancing with the Stars is on the program tonight. It was only a matter of time before these two Goenkars met each other in an ethereal embrace given their extraordinary ability to write on a single issue, of late, with a distinguished display of a lack of dexterity in their writing. Both writing on important issues themselves, perhaps; however the audience has tuned-out from their daily ruminate. It is more than likely Marshall will ignore this gambit gone astray Albeit Mario will relish the opportunity to print his name For the 40th time in only 10 days It is evident by the day, there are some who dont have a life Without Goanet, they cannot even roll a dice!! Hey Bhagwan!! I should have stuck with Leno Instead of switching to the egghead from Toledo And this fracas over Semana de Cultura Is a joke in itself With another opportunity for us to discuss Goa's most pressing question: Were we liberated or invaded Were we freed or incarcerated While the hills are being denuded and mine owners gain riches While rivers are polluted and villages are converted constructed into ugly structures makes one wonder what they teach in architecture - b
[Goanet] Freedom Fighter........
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] KUSTOBA Kustoba Kustoba Mirasi Indiacho Terror Goincho Conflit povatso Inimig bosttatso Aik ge maka Ata kittem sangu tuka Betle mujem adusat Betle mujem arsenal Bonguchay arsenal Translated Kustoba Heir to India Terror of Goa Spirit of resistance Enemy of the Brahmin Priests Listen to me What shall I tell you I have met my nemesis I've come up against fate To bear the consequences SOURCE: Malgonkar, Manohar (May 2004). Inside Goa (2nd Edition). Architecture Anonymous
Re: [Goanet] Goenkars: Hold on to your cash!
-Original Message- Gabe Menezes wrote: G.M will have no money to continue beyond Christmas. Amazingly they were thinking of merging with Chrysler - another gone case. RESPONSE: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122606964550108607.html AIG will go cap in hand once again to the FED, they have probably insured the whole World's Banking. Government should have let them go bankrupt. RESPONSE: If AIG went under what would have happened to the whole World's Banking?? There will be more than 3 million more, out of workin in US, maybe before Christmas; Akron Ohio, will start burning tyres. RESPONSE: Surely you jest. Why just Akron?? Oshawa, Windsor, St Catherine (all in Canada) where GM, Chrysler, Ford have plants are in a similar bind. I believe every auto job creates 5-6 ancillary jobs in the North American economy. The Big-3 are paying the price for feeding the market with gas-guzzling automobiles and resisting innovation for the past 20 yearsnot to forget those rosy deals with the unions that guarantee benefits until one departs this earthly life. GM is now betting the farm on the Volt and will probably hasten its launch. To make matters worse for them, the price of crude oil has fallen over 60%suddenly those SUVs are not looking too bad again. There is a major crash in the global auto sector coming along in 2009 is what I heard an analyst say on the radio a couple of months ago. Perhaps it is starting to unfold. Here in the U.K. if a house is repossessed and is sold for less than what was borrowed, the lender will pursue you for the balance - what is the set up in India? RESPONSE: Can they find you in India?? This downturn will take 5/6 years to correct and now that we have all come down to reality after the dewy eyed US Elections, pragmatism will be the order of the day. RESPONSE: Now-now.are you making excuses for Obama's forthcoming failures?? Two days after being elected he is already on record saying he may not be able to 'fix' everything in one term. So much for all his pre-election promises, eh??. The poor man..look at his features today as compared to 2 years ago when he began his campaign vs Hillary - the pressures are enormous for his tender shoulders. Is the situation any better in the UK?? Close to 2 million unemployed (6%); Inflation at 16-year high (5.2%); Home prices depressed by 15% as compared to last year. Looks like the doom-and-gloom from the US is spreading across the pond and to the far reaches of the world. Ohh..and dont lose count of Russia's diminishing millionaires..somebody could possibly buy those Londoners in Blue for a song soon...:-) .hold on to your cash, in Goa both are at risk. RESPONSE: One of my prof's often said - Cash is King!!! - Bosco SOURCES: http://www.euronews.net/en/article/15/10/2008/uk-jobless-rate-soars/ http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1014/britain.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102sid=aXWJfJHDEpP8refer=uk
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
Jim Fernandes wrote: Just ask yourself two basic questions: 1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years? RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up. Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show. 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years? RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back. Dude.seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.:-)) I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world. RESPONSE: You know what Mario says..first Barack has to win this week. I had to say itbefore he says it again for the nth time. Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land and I'll be there someday..Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's nuptials!! To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially hopeful ..change the course of this (American) nation. - B PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are printed and ready.in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Re: [Goanet] VIDEO:Wild Goans birdwatching at Miramar, Panjim: Oct 26, 2008
Nice to see so many Goans interested in Nature. Looking forward to seeing a budding Goan ornithologist. Clinton Vaz - Well done, as usual!! - Bosco
[Goanet] Goans in Kuwait and the Middle-East keep an eye on your local deposits/savings
Financial crisis moves to Gulf Arab nations October 26, 2008 at 9:24 PM EDT KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait moved Sunday to prop up the country's second-largest commercial bank and scrambled to protect depositors at other domestic banks, dashing hopes the oil-rich Arab Gulf would emerge largely unscathed from the global financial crisis. The central bank halted trading in Gulf Bank shares because of high derivatives losses, just a day after Gulf finance ministers said the region's banks were insulated against the liquidity crisis that has rippled through the global banking industry. The Gulf Bank news also appeared to have pushed the Kuwaiti government to take a step it has so far resisted - guaranteeing deposits. The country currently makes no deposit guarantees. http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081026.wgulf1026/BNStory/Business/home Gulf oil producers cite new urgency for monetary union October 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM EDT RIYADH - Gulf Arab oil producers said they had already taken adequate steps to deal with the impact of the global financial crisis but that turmoil on world markets had given new urgency to their plan for monetary union. Finance ministers and central bank governors of the Gulf Co-operation Council held an emergency meeting on Saturday to discuss co-ordination of their response to a global downturn that threatens to brake their region's six-year economic boom. The states, preparing for a single currency by an unlikely 2010 deadline, emerged from the meeting with few public statements on how they would work together. The crisis proves how much we need a single currency and that a single central bank should be a supervisory body. Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and four other Gulf states have so far adopted separate policy responses to defrost interbank lending and boost confidence in their stock markets. The GCC also includes Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman. Some Gulf states have guaranteed bank deposits, eased lending restrictions, set up emergency funding facilities for their banks and invested money in ailing stocks. Gulf states are trying to give a renewed push to monetary union after the plan was thrown into disarray by Oman's 2006 decision not to join and Kuwait's 2007 move to drop a dollar peg it had agreed to keep in place until the single currency was achieved. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081025.wgulf1025/BNStory/Business
[Goanet] The case of Lawrence De Souza (Bombay - 1954)
Subsequent to the assault on Aires Rodrigures in Goa, I tried recollecting previous instances of lawyers and advocates being assaulted vis-a-vis Goa's Freedom Movement. There are several documented incidents that occurred in Goa itself and there were some incidents that occurred elsewhere. Below is an instance I read recently and reproduced verbatim. - Bosco The case of Lawrence De Souza Bombay - 1954 De Souza was an Advocate of the Bombay High Court, who had achieved prominence among Goans as an oppositionist to the merger campaign and wrote frequent articles airing his views on the subject which were published in The Anglo-Lusitano, a veteran and highly popular Goan weekly newspaper in Bombay. The police raided his house in the middle of the night, under pretext of searching for whisky bottles which, they alleged, he was storing in contravention of the law of Prohibition. Needless to say, no such bottles were found, but they appeared keenly interested in the contents of his writing desk and ended by taking away his books, manuscripts, letter papers and even his typerwriter. When he went to the police headquarters to lodge a protest against what he considered a crass illegality, he found himself detained incomunicado for a full twenty-four hours without being brought before a Magistrate, as required by law, and during the interval treated to several sessions of brain-washing that included physical torture and other forms of persuasion. As soon as he was free, he instituted a case against the police and the government of Bombay before the High Court. The High Court decided the issue against the authorities, ordered that his belongings should be returned forthwith and substantial costs should be paid to him. But his triumph was short lived. In broad daylight, a group of agents provocateurs mingled with elements of regular police in diguise, waylaid and assaulted him in one of the most prominent thoroughfares, in the heart of the city, severely beat him up and snatched from him his brief case containing various important papers and manuscripts of articles. The stunned members of the public witnessed the ambuscade without interfering and law and order looked the other way, refusing to be concerned while a foul deed was being perpetrated. With the material thus provided, the authorities lost no time in fabricating some kind of case against De Souza to the effect that he was concerned in espionage on behalf of the Portuguese Government. In a matter of days he was lodged behind bars for good under the law of Preventive Detention. Appealed to once again, the High Court pleaded inability to intervene, and he had to remain in jail for the full period of his detention. SOURCE: Nehru seizes Goa, Leo Lawrence (Pageant Press, 1963), Pgs 38-39
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off topic
-Original Message- That's changing, now there will be severe regulations put into place. Regulations were in place. The current US administration removed them and asked the industry to self-regulate. Now the adm has come up with a I am from the govt and I am here to help you. RESPONSE: Deregulation of financial institutions began in the 80s, possibly even earlier. This is what I picked-up recently listening to Robert Reich, Clinton's Secretary of Labour (1993-97) on the CBC. A significant contribution to banking deregulation was passed into law by President Clinton in 1999 by which time Reich was not a member of the Clinton cabinet. It was called the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999. This Act in effect repealed large portions of the Banking Act of 1933 that was enacted by President Roosevelt. Under the old act, Banks, Insurance companies and Brokerages were ineffect to be run as separate businesses and with separate onwership structures. Commercial and Investment banking were separated. Interestingly when Clinton enacted the Act in 1999 Congress was controlled by the Republicans. Bush 43 is responsible (I dont recollect any name of Act being mentioned) for removing the last barriers between investment banks and commercial banks so that each could behave like the other that has lead to the demise of the Top 5 Investment Banks. DISCLAIMER: Am no expert on financial matters, just paraphrasing what I heard when a former US Govt official visited the local radio station. But surely somebody was sleeping at the switch, probably enjoying the rides of exuberance as the bears turned into bulls on Wall Street. There is plenty of blame to go around!! - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites...
My dear friend Miguel, I am honored to be the subject of your emails in Goan cyberspace in recent days. I am even more honored and delighted that you have selected me this week - to stand on my shoulders so that you can rise higher and higher in Goan cyberspace and in the eyes of Goans around the world. I am very proud of you and your many accomplishments. Since you told me you do everything for Goa and only Goa, I am glad to have been of service to you and to assist you in accomplishing your goal(s). I am also grateful that in your kindness you were able to shine a light on me and my efforts here in Goan cyberspace. May you be rewarded a hundred-fold. As a proud son of the soil, may your esteem grow and may all the people of our land know of you and learn of your extraordinary efforts for our land and its people. I look forward to breaking puri and drinking chai with you once again at Cafe Prakash where we can sit and sing together Proud to be a Goan - words and music courtesy Basilio Magno. I'm sure Mr Sakhalkar and all the reporters and journos will be very happy about this. I hope they too pick up on your bravado and learn a thing or two from you. You are such a wonderful role model. Until then, we shall continue our efforts together, you and I, for Goa. I hope you will not be disappointed with me for declaring my admiration of you in public. Please do not hesitate to beckon, should I be of assistance to you again - anywhere, anytime!! You know where to find me. Your dear friend, - B
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Mervyn Lobo wrote: To put this in the simplest terms, Bush reduced taxes and borrowed money for a spending spree. It is just like a family man who insists in a cut in salary and then borrows/buys on credit. RESPONSE: This is too simple an explanation for a $4 trillion hole in the bucket on Wall St. Reading your partisan exchange with our infamous propagandist does not help an objective discussion. With the annual theatrics of world leaders ongoing in NY, Bill Clinton is all over the tube with his Clinton Global Initiative. I saw an interview with him last night. He was asked 3 times who was to blame for this $4 trillion fiasco. He did not even come close to blaming Bush. He talked of tools like Derivatives, Leverage and their inherent risks and the tech melt-down at the end of his presidency and how all the money from that market ended up in real-estate. And then the honchos on Wall St got into the cab and drove the truck right into the ground - GREED!! For 200 years people have been betting against the US and have lost - Bill Clinton, NY, Sep 22/08 I think Bush (43) has had to endure more than a fair bit of turmoil in his 8 years at the wheel thanks to non-performing predecessors including Bush (41). Hello Enron!! Hello Andersen!! Never mind all this blood-letting!! Tell us how we can make a killing without having to buy a house in Arizona or Texas or the Carolinas for a song. The next American president may decide that the American taxpayer should not be subsidizing the wages of Cristiano Ronaldo. The new President could then tell the Federal Reserve to cancel all future cheques destined for United. United would then have to sell Ronaldo to the highest bidder i.e. City. RESPONSE: I dont think you understand Man-U!! It is no coincidence that it was declared the richest Soccer Club and the number 1 sports brand by Forbes. Sponsors are lined-up to get their name on their shirts, stadium and gear. However there is still considerable debt being carried by the new owners. AIG is in the middle of their contract. If they go, there will be many more who will want their name emblazoned on their shirt:-) BTW Salgaocar Sports Club beat Sporting Club De Goa to finish third in the 2008 Manchester United Premier Cup (India) - Under 15. Also Manchester United Soccer Schools have a program in Goa - they are looking for a Goan Ronaldo. Never mind about Ronnie et al!! What are the repercussions in India (besides our portfolios:-(( ) from all these Wall St shake-n-bakes. There are a few people I know who work for Lehman and Morgan Chase in Mumbai. - Bosco PS. Wot!! Obama donors were Fannie Freddie and he blocked legislation that would set them straight. Talk about skeletons in a young closet, eh??
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Mervyn Lobo wrote: There is a saying in Africa, You usually get the leaders you deserve. Response: I think the Africans copied it from the Goans, na?? Dont we get the leaders we deserve??? George Bush (43) introduced policies that have resulted in budget deficits, a collapsed financial sector and a rapidly depreciating currency. Response: Before we send Bush (43) to the 'gallows' perhaps you can enlighten us about the specific policies you are referring to above that led to the consequences you list. When George Bush (43) was sworn in, the US dollar was strong. It took only US $270 to buy an ounce of gold. It takes US $870 to buy that same ounce today. Response: Well, somebody made a killing...and laughing all the way to the bank...oopswhich bank!! PS. Here is the new Manchester United jersey that is available on Newt Gingrich's site. It sums up the fallaciousness of the current US administation Response: Now-nowdont be drawing the Red-Devils into this...albeit this is the only reason this post caught my attention. You can stick any name on the front of a ManU jersey (its the one on the back that matters) - the lads still come through as champs!!! Go Reds!!! - B
