Re: [Goanet] A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008
Hi Valmiki, That's why we need someone like you at Margao to start with, Like the saying goes, I AM RESPONSIBLE,??? My friend , the beautiful article you wrote reminds me of a great song by a living Legend, Bob Dylan, BLOWIN IN THE WIND, THE ANSWER IS BLOWIN IN THE WIND, God Bless you, refer to the Herald of the 7th Oct 2nd page, you will see a Old lady of 72 tears being pushed around by the cops at the behest of the SDM margao, SHE HAD THE GALL TO STOP A REALIGMENT OF A ROAD MASTERMINDED BY THE CURRENT CM, AT THE NAVELIM CHURCH JUNCTION, To the current CM it does not matter if 12 sq Mts of the church is destroyed, but a illigal structure stands errect, That is where we are heading, I will brief you more on the rest later, regards Ayres On 10/19/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Doc - something you and other netters might be interested in... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=kVI59w1fsjofeature=related --- On Sun, 19/10/08, J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-8: HERALD(Goa), Sept 28, 2008
Dear Valmiki Carmo Rod was a Uncle of mine on my meternal side, so is my Favourite and Uncle Juuny Rodrigues based in kuwait Thank you for the greta article, God Bless Ayres On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOAN MUSIC-8 By Valmiki Faleiro Alfred Rose must be the most prolific of Konknni 'cantarists' (singers.) He wrote/sang so many songs that he lost count of them. No chronicler can fix the number of 'cantaram' he penned. He set most of them to music himself, sang a few hundred, solo or in duet with wife Rita, or others. Most, however, were sung by other artistes. Alfred did a wide variety of songs, from serious to satirical, melodic to mournful. Like Alexinho de Candolim before him, many of his songs carried a strong social message, even if at times he sounded like a Sunday 'sermao.' Some despised the nasal in his otherwise versatile soprano voice. And, even though original most of the time, Alfred sometimes borrowed popular western tunes. But, as one of his greatest fans and my friend Filipe Dias of Madel-Margao says, Alfred's music was customer oriented. When fans requested him to set songs to particular western tunes, Alfred obliged. Like music generated by the Konknni stage, it's not possible to discuss Cantaram save in passing. My personal choice always was songs that spun on humour. Names like Anthony Tuloo (Lion of Cantarists), Francis de Monso, 'Big Shot', Pascoal (Master) Fernandes, Robin Vaz and Hermenzildo Francisco Camilo (H. Britton) will long be remembered for their melody-comedy. In this genre, singers like Kid Boxer and Minguel Rod were incomparable. Minguel's witty 'nightmare' still resounds: Angan tem asa nhoim re edem mottem bobor / Kai bore pole tache mou-mou robor / Ratchem sopnant ieun korta tem mhaka zobor / Mat apunn khuim rauta ti sangonam re khobor. Poir rati tannem sopnant ghott dhorlo maka / Ekar-ek beij diunk laglem paka-paka / Tea vogtar saiba kainch anink mhaka naka / Zago zaun tor polloi zalear mazor lenvta mhaka. Kal rati ani ek pautt jiu khoxen mhozo bhorlo / Oklecho pai soirik gheun amgher so pavon sorlo / Oitana khoxen mhunno babu apunn chol'lo / Zago zaun tor polloi zalear nakar bhonvta zorlo. Ekech muttin zorleache dant hanvem moddle / Zago zaun tor polloi paichea oklache arxe foddle / Pain kalukant chor mhunn maecher borech oddle / Maein chobko marun paichea khoddeache kens thoddle. Kestaum hem kabar zatoch auchit jhem mhaka poddli / Oklechi mae ieun nhoim re soirik mhoji moddli / Te tiddkin dhorun tika hanvem *charains* korun oddly / Zago zaun tor polloi novich kamboll pinzun soddli. In the general female genre, amongst the shiniest stars: Lorna (Sorg Tujea Dolleanim, Sorga Rajeant, Sopon, Noxibac Roddta – all fused in Chris Perry's music magic, and trumpet, as in Piso and Bebdo), and Rita Rose (Bottateanchi Bhaji, Ankvar Ravtelim, Kalliz Ostorechem, and in duet with hubby Alfred, Osoch Fottoitai, Tum Mojem Sukh and Anvdde Tuje Sompoi – from 'Boglant.') Let's move to another genre of Goan songsters. At a time when Goa's independent identity was under grave threat, in the run up to the Jan-1967 Opinion Poll, several gifted Goans used their pen, voice and music to save the day for their homeland. Men like Dr. Manoharrai Sardessai, Adv. Uday Bhembre and Shankar Bhandari worked hard, through their song, to stem the tide of public opinion that was almost sure to have forever obliterated the idea of a distinct Goa. Songs like Goenchea Mojea Goenkaranno and Goenkar zaiat zage sung by 'Goyem Shahir' Ulhas Buyao and Don Pana by Assolna-born vocalist Carmo Rod, still echo. In easier times, men like Bhembre wrote songs like Chann'neache Rati (sung by Buyao), while Buyao himself produced quality songs, the most hilarious of which, to my mind, is Gagar kiteak foddta re? rendered, with equal finesse, by Varsha Usgaonkar. Dorya Deger by Santosh and Mamta Prabhugaonkar, with pleasing vocal skills, delivered a powerful message on inter-caste marriages. These are included in Buyao's album, Roop Tujem Laita Pixem. Mangalore also produced a rich harvest of cantaram. Helen D'Cruz and Henry D'Souza created radio history with Ye, ye, Katrina (1971), one among many in their repertoire. Then there were Jerome de Souza, Lourdes Collaco, Agnes D'Souza, among others. Wilfy Remimbus and Eric Ozario were giants on Mangalore's music matrix. In this penultimate piece, some more 'firsts' in Goan music… The first recorded Konknni song (on a vinyl gramophone record) was by Joao Agostinho, the Pai Tiatrist's Mog mirmiriancho (HMV, 1910), sung by him with his daughter Sofia. The first recorded Konknni audio cassette was by Alfred Rose. The first Konknni audio CD was by Remo Fernandes. To Remo also goes the credit of re-doing old classics like 'Rajan Prema' and 'Kustoba Rane.' The (unofficial) title of Nightingale of Goa was
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-7: HERALD(Goa), Sept 21, 2008
Hi Valmiki, Just waiting for your next edition. the one you was covered now was great, regards Ayres On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOAN MUSIC-7 By Valmiki Faleiro Tiatr produced copious volumes of music-song. Named after the Portuguese 'Teatro,' the Konknni stage was Goa's largest of performing arts, mainly among Catholics. It sure featured names like Kamat de Assolna but bulk was Goan Catholic, some with curious stage names like Titta Pretto and Jhepsis Hitler! Pai Tiatrist Joao Agostinho (JA) Fernandes, actually Irmao of pioneer Lucasino Ribeiro as JA himself always protested, wrote original plays and music right from his first, and history's second, Tiatr. JA set Tiatr in the seven-Acts format, and between the Acts, songs that could be solos, duets, trios or quartets. With his own wife, he introduced women to the stage. His themes were clearly aimed at social reformation. Thence, the world of Tiatr produced many giants. They would take a tome to even be briefly discussed. I'll restrict to a few whose song-music so impacted my young mind that I remember them to this day. I was not old enough to see some of them live, but heard their renditions from vinyl records or from 'Akashvani' (in those times, Aqui Portugal, fala Emissora de Goa.) Personally, my greatest Tiatrist was singer-actor Kid Boxer. Not just for his song, but for his courage of conviction. Allow me to leave the best for the last, in a couple of Sundays, when I'll elaborate. One colossus of the Tiatr world was Minguel Rod. He strode the Konknni stage at a precocious age, entering when he himself was only 13. His songs attacked social ills, which is natural as he hailed from a poor tribal background of Cortalim. His verse-lyrics were absolutely original – even if his tunes at times were borrowed. His imagery and satirical bite was not. A song went like, (The landlord's) house was massive/ built of rock-solid stone/ but a wall collapsed/ when a pig's tail accidentally brushed against it. Credited with revival of the Tiatr during its gloomiest days, Minguel produced colourful titles like 'Lembddo Santan' and 'Pobre Fidalgo.' Year 1955 was tumultuous for the Portuguese in Goa. August 15, India's Independence Day, saw several Jai Hinds shot dead or injured at border points of Patradevi, Molem and Polem. On October 5, Portugal's Republic Day, hundreds of natives converged at Cortalim. Everyone from Governor to gun-totting soldier quaked, until it was discovered it was not an internal 'Satyagraha.' Minguel Rod had died. Like several Tiatr greats, at a young age: 32. Aqui Portugal … announced the demise in all its six language news bulletins. And annual radio tributes until liberation. Anthony Mendes is my best Konknni comedian-singer, not because his ancestral house was a whistling distance from mine. Such was his singing, dancing and acting talent that he was about to be inducted in Hindi films, when he too departed – also at a relatively young age. Upon his death, Alfred Rose composed and sang a tribute to him. Several times during its rendition, Alfred broke down, and with him, most in the audience. Anthony need not have uttered funny Konknni lines to have the crowd in splits. He achieved that by merely twitching his bushy whiskers or squinting his saucer-sized eyes. Or a faked movement of his agile body – or even with an equally spurious Padri-style short quote in Latin! He scripted Tiatrs but only one, Joao Paddekar, was staged in Goa. Typical of his song lyrics: Ho tuzo guneaum, muzo guneaum, kestaum pettota / Beijeam svater, vontt poleancher, thapttam suzota (on domestic tiffs between spouses, where, instead of kisses, slaps resound off cheeks.) After him, Jacinto Vaz and M. Boyer held the flag of stage comedy high. In this galaxy, the greatest in his day was Alexinho de Candolim. He sang and also penned some pretty powerful Tiatrs, including his famous Sonvsarant Konn Konnacho, and his trademark last, To Bhavtto Dhormancho. Alexinho died at age 49, in 1964. Young Menezes was the first rapid-fire (jet-speed) singer. He liberally used Konknni adages in his songs, including one titled 'Hotel de Jakin!' Like his senior fellow villager Alexinho, Young's songs rhymed perfectly. Trio singers (three actors interspersing in a song) were popular on the Konknni stage. The most legendary was Kid-Young-Rod (Kid Boxer, Young Menezes and Minguel Rod.) Among the famous Trios was Rom-Rem-Rod, who sang on the abominable murder of a Taleigao housewife, her daughter and a yet unborn child. That crime, a few years from liberation, shocked Goa, earned Malayalees local hatred and, in a long time, the Aguada gallows a trophy. The generally accepted Trio Kings were Conception-Nelson-Anthony. Their political satire was so devastating that they invited post-1961 official wrath on the Tiatr
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-7: HERALD(Goa), Sept 21, 2008
Valmiki Thank you that was great, God Bless Ayres On 9/22/08, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Joe, Francis and Ayres Like Joe, did I not see most of the singer-tiatrists of that era, as I said in the piece, but heard their songs from gramophone records and Akashvani (in those days, Aqui Portugal, fala Emissora de Goa!!) Their pictures must surely be available from gramophone record covers at All India Radio. Thanks to the links sent by Francis, we got to appreciate the excellent work done by Fausto da Costa and Gaspar Almeida at Goa-World. Yes, of the two pics that appeared in yesterday's Herald, one is of Remmie Colaco (in his younger days, of course) and the other ... this will surprise you! ... is how the off stage Anthony Mendes actually looked like. And thank you all for the kind words of encouragement! Rgds, v === On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, JoeGoaUk wrote: Thank you Valmiki, From your write-up, I come to know for the first time a lot about the foll named past tiatrists. I have never seen Miguel Rod, who died at the age of 32 I have never seen Aleixinho de Candolim (died at the age of 49) I have never seen Anthony Mendes except in Amchem Noxib film I have never seen Jhepsis Hitler but heard about him before. I have never seen Kid Boxer I have never seen Young Menezes Keep up the good work. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Francis Rodrigues wrote: Dear Joe /and Ayres, Here are vintage photos of most of the tiatrists you requested, and others: Valmiki, your series is fascinating - great stuff! FR On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, gwasha wrote: Hi Valmiki, There was a Vocalist from Assolna, Carmo Rod, The opinion Poll song toon Pana was sung by him, He also was a top notch vocalist for Johnson and his Jolly boys, and AVC pops, regards Ayres -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-6: HERALD(Goa), Sept 14, 2008
Hi Valmiki, There was a Vocalist from Assolna, Carmo Rod, The opinion Poll song toon Pana was sung by him, He also was a top notch vocalist for Johnson and his Jolly boys, and AVC pops, regards Ayres
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Abhi tum log Bombay dekho
Hi Joe, Moderator There was a small write about Mr John Boxer from (Dohibitalao) Mahim, Some 3 -6 months back, could some one forward the same to me Please, I would really apperitiate the same, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/30/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking Photos: Abhi tum log Bombay dekho a song by Late Jaceint Vaz Abhi tum lok Bombay dekho Bombay ka market dekho Bombay ka ghoddial dekho Bombay ka Metro dekho Abhi tum lok Back Bay dekho . Approaching Mumbai or Bombay - aerial http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810051235/sizes/l/ Name these bridges (areal view) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810051029/sizes/l/ VT Station (now CST) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810090515/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810936594/sizes/l/ close-up http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810935396/sizes/l/ Cross Maidan (night) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810051405/ day -Closeup http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810936234/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2809963715/ Gate Way of India http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810934038/sizes/l/ Taj Hotels http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810933886/sizes/l/ Marine Drive (Beach Opp Taraporewala Aquarium) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810088493/sizes/l/ Camel in hanging garden http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810088719/sizes/l/ Crawford Market http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/281005/sizes/l/ Fashion Street http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810935188/sizes/l/ Road side tender coconuts http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810934948/sizes/l/ opp Prince of Whales Museum (now CST,,) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810088331/sizes/l/ New subway (underground) with 8 exits opp Metro Cinema/BX Furtado clean and tidy like London http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810935518/sizes/l/ Metro Cinema http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810935708/sizes/l/ Juhu beach http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810090151/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2810935846/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Fish curry rice at Murdeshwar
Dear Joe Keep up the good work, You seem to have a way with your camera, I have pics , I will share with you. regards Ayres On 8/11/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I though I would shae this info to you.. What we ate and how much we paid? We were 9 4 Fresh Bangda Fry (Rs.100) 5 7up soft drinks (45) 15 Fish curry Rice thalis (300) includes 4 boiled rice plates 2 extra Rice (8) 9 plates fresh 'pellio' fish fry (90) 2 Green salad (40) 2 Kingfisher beer bots (140) Total : 718 Murdeshwar: Total distance covered 516kms includes a visit to Bhatkal (mini dubai) which is about 16kms from Murdeshwar. It took about 5hrs to reach Murdeshwar by a pvt Qualis charges: Rs.8/km Seating capacity 1+9 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-August/078611.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] goans should stop selling property
HI Seb, What is the area of the flat and where is the location, let me know, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/6/08, Seb dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not true...Now adays there are more enquires everywhere if anybody is selling his property, so they get a 2% cut on the deal they hope to make. I have been flooded with offers from goans. For that matter, I have a 2BR apartment for sale, close to Colva and NO its not ancestral. Bought with my earnings so i have the rights to sell, as I plan to buy land. If any goans are interested do let me know!! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb On 1 Aug 2008 05:08:40 -, jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear goanetters, Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a security risk for Goa. Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . Very sad Regards, -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Kuwait's famed SEBY THE WINGS to perform in Kuwai
Hi Edwad No Succorro is not the son of Carlit Mestri, But the kid bass player with the big fuzz on his head, if you recollect, Carlit Mestri had both his sons playing in the band too, Where are you based , if you are in Quwait, Succoro used to be th emain man for Top Ranks, now he plays solo, his son Freddy does Solo gigs too, Check out the music scene at Kuwait, regards Ayres On 8/8/08, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tks Ayres for the info. Is Joao Succoro Demelo son of Carlit Mestri? I was under the impression that it was Radio Serenaders...late Carlit Mestri and his sons (elder son played all the instruments) who brought Seby to fame. Although I am not a singer now, but Carlit Mestri gave us some valuable tips for singers...be it for the school tiatr/choir. Fyi with Carlit Mestris guidance, I did sing two songs for St. Boscos Annual day tiatr..and m sure those in his band who used to have rehearsels at home gained a lot...including Seby.I did see Seby rehearsing those days! Edward Verdes Chinchinim/KSA - Original Message - From: gwasha Hi, You guys look over the horizon, and say the grass is greener yonder, You have old RADIO SERENADER'S BASS PLAYER , in your midst, You should at least acknowledge him, about Seby we have no issues, but do you think he would have stood out without the Band, Look out for the bassist of Radio Serenader's, JOAO SUCCORO DEMELO, he is the one who contributed much to Seby's singing and made him what he is today, Succor has played with the all time greats of India, from Remo,Ronny Pinto, Ronny Menezes,Just to name a few, I believe he contributed a lot Seby becoming a star, regards Ayres deSouza -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Selling ancestral property
Hi Ana Maria Amen to what you say, I do agree , with you all the way. People have all the time to write what they think, not to act, I have no intention of selling my house, but to check the aptitude of these so called Goans at mouth, I put a sale form, guess what just one single respondent, But madame if you do have any more properties for sale at Goa, Kindly contact me, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/7/08, Ana Maria de souza-Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Lots has been written about goans selling ancestral property. How will goans be 'pverty-stricken' by selling property. What they do with the money is nobody's business. Parents can sell the property because it belongs to them and not the children, and besides if most of the children are living overseas and do not want to come back to Goa, why can't they sell the property especially those who need the money. If it hadn't been for rich Indians and foreigners who have bought our ancestral homes, they would have gone to seed. We had to sell our home in Moira because no one wanted to live there after my father expired in 1989. My mother couldn't live there alone so shifted to her maternal place in Margao, and my two brothers and myself had already acquired our own houses. Also we had to sell our maternal grandparents place in Margao this year (late 17th century) as all the inheritors,except for three of us live in Portugual/Brazil. We did not sell it to an outsider but to a fellow Goan. Goans do not want to come back to live in Goa, but still criticize on the Goanet about outsiders coming in hoards to Goa. Blame it on others, blame it to the builders, who need migrant labourers to build the flats which goans have acquired and non-Goans. Don't goans go to the West and buy houses/flats in the UK, USA, Canada, etc. Do the people of that country criticize Indians buying property in their own country?. Please lets end this subject of selling ancestral land and tackle other issues, as garbage, rash driving, etc. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Greatest Goan Dr Jack Sequeira
Lino You have to get your facts right,it was not just Jack Sequeira. because of the people who stayed in Goa and voted at the opinion polls , we are still goans, So , don't patranise me , say a thank you to the ones who stayed back, SAY A BIG THANK YOU, TO ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE OLD AGE HOMES?? regards AyresdeSouza On 8/5/08, Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lino bab. Fausto Lino wrote: Dear Cecil, And my personal?favourite title goes to Historic Opinion Poll Leader late Dr. Jack Sequeira for protecting the identity of Goa. Because?of the sacrifice of the great leader YOU and ME are Goykar. Mog asum ? Lino Dourado --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal favourite for the title of Greatest Goan ever would be Abbe Faria with D. D. Kossambi coming a close second. Was just wondering which other Goans would really be serious contendors for the title. Can the Admin Team ask for nominations and have a poll? -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Narvekar resigns as minister
Hi Samir Now the fun really begins, Hope it is more entertaining then the olympics, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/5/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Breaking News: Narvekar has resigned finally as a minister clearing the decks for Babush Monseratte. (Digital Goa News). regards, Samir -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] goans should stop selling property - 2
Hey I have a house for sale at Mungul, Margao ANY GOAN TAKER'S, priority to Goans, Kindly contact, Ayres deSouza +91-9890202022 On 1 Aug 2008 05:08:40 -, jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear goanetters, Any goan residing in goa, will be unhappy with goans selling off their property, as this leads to more poverty-stricken goans and also poses a security risk for Goa. Let us listen to concerned goans like Mervyn and others. Our ancestral homes are places of history, where neighbours will tell you about the habits and personalities of your foreparents. These are places where our ancestors, got married, raised children, spent time chatting with the wife and maybe the mistress, played with their children, and worked hard, to give us a better life, etc. What do some goans do with this wonderful inheritance? They just sell it, instead of GIFTING IT TO THEIR CHILDREN . Very sad Regards, Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home Mario Goveia wrote: Regarding what people who sell their properties do with the money, how is this anyone else's business? It's their money to do with as they wish. Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] No. It is not their money to do as they wish. Mario asks: It isn't? The last time I checked, India was still a democracy where the citizens have individual rights including the right to own and sell property without consulting anyone on Goanet:-)) So, once someone in Goa sells their property, who exactly tells tham what to do with their money? Mervyn wrote: There ARE responsibilities that come with the sale of a home: 1) Taxes to be paid. 2) Investing responsibly so that the home seller can live comfortably for the rest of his days.? 3) Finding a better or?similar environment for?the family. -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Kuwait's famed SEBY THE WINGS to perform in Kuwait
Hi, You guys look over the horizon, and say the grass is greener yonder, You have old RADIO SERENADER'S BASS PLAYER , in your midst, You should at least acknowledge him, about Seby we have no issues, but do you think he would have stood out without the Band, Look out for the bassist of Radio Serenader's, JOAO SUCCORO DEMELO, he is the one who contributed much to Seby's singing and made him what he is today, Succor has played with the all time greats of India, from Remo,Ronny Pinto, Ronny Menezes,Just to name a few, I believe he contributed a lot Seby becoming a star, regards Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Contributions to Goa
My dear Ignatius You seem to ask a question non garta, How would these same Alibaba and 40 thieves stay in power, and the Owners of Navhind Times, rape more mines, the answer my friend is blowing in the wind, Can we stop our own Goans going out of Goa, I would apperitiate , even if they come back, and when they do come back, it is the same story, This should have been like this, and like that,(in dubai we did not have this ) Where R we going, My friend time will tell, regards Ayres deSouza On 8/4/08, ignatius fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too wonder in amazement like Rajan Parrikar that a local newspaper like Navhind Times should sing the praises of these bhailes . The paper makes out that the Goans could not do without these Kannadigas, Oriyas,Sindhis,Dilliwallahs or Gujaratis. Could they not have stayed in their home states and help their fellow bhailes who are not doing very well in their home state so they have to migrate to Goa in their droves to better themselves. Our people (niz Goenkars) our youngsters have enough problems in finding jobs for themselves when these outsiders take our livelihood away from us and make us like second hand citizens in our own state. The government should do something and stop these unregulated inflow of these people. Kind regards Ignatius Fernandes _ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/ -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Mario, Merwyn I have just been observing your quotes, it just states your frame of minds, pathetic. What has anyone selling land ,got to do with you or anyone, who the ? are you to question anyone freedom to sell their own properties, what gives you the right, You have what it takes come and buy, or shut up. You want Goa , to be there, the way you think it should, come to Goa and stay here and work for it, land your asses here and not there where you are , fisher mongers at Goa are better then you on this forum, anyone can sit and write crap, it is too easy for a idiot to sit on computer and put his stupid thoughts on the net , by punching a keyboard, work for it if you can, Action is the key word, stop you idiotic opinions, non conclusive and void.? talk some sense, Ayres deSouza On 8/1/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia?wrote: BTW, unless I'm missing something, aren't there many real poor people in Goa, who never had a home to sell in the first place that are much more in need of help and education? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, You and me have been yapping for too long on the net. If you are a man of action and are ready to help, how about us donating some time and/or money to those who really need help in Goa? Mario responds: With all due respect, I have not been yapping about myself and how wonderful and perspicacious I am. I have been too pre-occupied with correcting misrepresentations I see in some Goanet posts. I have also been actually doing what you are suggesting for quite some time now. I believe you have done the same. However, people who have sold their ancestral properties have not made my list of priorities as yet. -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] George Pinto and prostitution
Hi Samir Amen to what you just wrote, regards Aayres deSouza On 8/2/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George PInto writes: If houses of prostitution were set up all over Goa and prostitutes brought in from other states, Goans would be up in arms. Now, we have George, Since you are in California, and a US citizen also, could you throw some light on the amount of prostitution legal or illegal --- in your home state California? Saving Goa is real cool, actually hip, when you are supported by Uncle Sam and have a green card or citizenship. Because when the going gets tough, you can always take the next flight back home, as our Mr. Foul Mouth is doing currently. (If you had some conscience and you were a US citizen, you would first save your country before saving Goa.) What guarantee there is --- these wanna-be Goa savers will last out even two years from now? I would rather root for the Patricias, and the Sabinas who have given their life to Goa rather than those who first save their asses by minting lots of money abroad and then come on vacations to 'save' Goa. regards, Samir -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Alemao's Hot Wheel Collection
Dear Nagesh, It is better , if political vendettas work, nothing like the devil keep check on its own, I believe that all 40 should be put under the scanner, more so the Head Chief. regards Ayres On 7/15/08, Naguesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ayres, Over the past few days, I have read that the Supreme Court and the CBI, have been going after Mayawati's assets. But some might call it political vendetta, for her not supporting the present Government. The CBI itself has been used by the ruling parties to prosecute its opponents. It is not that the politicians in the rest of the world are any less corrupt, but in India it is 'institutionalized corruption', that affects the common man. If there is an impartial investigation into the assets of Goan politicians, hardly any of them will be able to account for all that they have accumulated. In the 1980s, I remember that most of them, used to be teachers, lawyers -- and now these very guys specify their occupations as Business/Businessman/Agriculturist. All of them have cars and bungalows! One cannot achieve all that with the salary of an MLA! Such a drastic transformation in one's fortunes cannot happen without rampant corruption. Of course, the selling of Goa is the most common topic of discussion on this forum. How many Goans with just the salary of an MLA can afford cars and bungalows?Naguesh Naguesh Bhatcar Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:55:50 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Alemao's Hot Wheel Collection Dear Clinton, Keep up the good work, There are lots of skeletons in the closet, just need to open it, all the best Ayres deSouza On 7/12/08, Clinton Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goanetters, during a conversation this evening, I heard that the Alemao family has recently been on a purchasing spree of new wheels... I've heard that in the last year, various members of the Alemao clan have bought the following: 4 Toyota Innovas costing approx 10,00,000 each 1 Toyota Prado costing approx 40,00,000 2 Honda CRVs costing 20,00,000 each 1 Honda Civic costing 13,00,000 some Maruti swifts costing 4,00,000 each and the whopper being the: 1 Mercedes Benz SLK 55 AMG costing 1,25,00,000 approx!! -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] ON MENEZES
Hi Gabe You must be in one of your super drive moods, I can understand , well friend take care, god bless, till we bump into each other at Longin, regards Ayres On 7/16/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been advised that Menezes is not a common Goan surname; the fact that we have so many Menezes showing up on Goanet, elsewhere and everywhere, is not because of their commonness; rather because they are brilliant people; can't keep a Menezes bottled upcheck out Marlon, try as he might, he keeps coming back for more!. Fernandes and Souzas are common surnames, how many on Goanet? Perhaps Joe UK would do a statistical study, to show which surname posts the most on Goanet.crunch time we do not know what Joe UK's surname is :-)) Pintos are portrayed in history as rebel rousers, Lobos are wolves...the list goes on, we have pigs and piglings, sheep and lambs. Makes for a veritable feast! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] ON MENEZES
Hi Gabe You have'nt really moved in Goa, do me a favour pal, the next visit, getting moving around, and you'll understand, the meaning and the facts of Surnames, stop wasting your time at longin, and you will know, the differance with the deSouza and the D'souza. This is the coffee man regards Ayres On 7/16/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been advised that Menezes is not a common Goan surname; the fact that we have so many Menezes showing up on Goanet, elsewhere and everywhere, is not because of their commonness; rather because they are brilliant people; can't keep a Menezes bottled upcheck out Marlon, try as he might, he keeps coming back for more!. Fernandes and Souzas are common surnames, how many on Goanet? Perhaps Joe UK would do a statistical study, to show which surname posts the most on Goanet.crunch time we do not know what Joe UK's surname is :-)) Pintos are portrayed in history as rebel rousers, Lobos are wolves...the list goes on, we have pigs and piglings, sheep and lambs. Makes for a veritable feast! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Alemao's Hot Wheel Collection
Dear Clinton, Keep up the good work, There are lots of skeletons in the closet, just need to open it, all the best Ayres deSouza On 7/12/08, Clinton Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- http://www.GOANET.org --- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada http://www.2008goanconvention.com --- Dear Goanetters, during a conversation this evening, I heard that the Alemao family has recently been on a purchasing spree of new wheels... I've heard that in the last year, various members of the Alemao clan have bought the following: 4 Toyota Innovas costing approx 10,00,000 each 1 Toyota Prado costing approx 40,00,000 2 Honda CRVs costing 20,00,000 each 1 Honda Civic costing 13,00,000 some Maruti swifts costing 4,00,000 each and the whopper being the: 1 Mercedes Benz SLK 55 AMG costing 1,25,00,000 approx!! All this in addition to the Quallises, and other vehicles that they already own... Please also note that all these new vehicles have dark tinted glasses, and single digit nos (similar to Babush's CRVs, Prados, BMWs etc)... and while we get challaned... they continue to go around with nobody to stop them.. Now if you are still wondering why Joaquim Alemao seems to be the only one around that is adamant on Hyderabad based Hyquip being paid (a seemingly petty) 74,00,000 for fictitious services rendered to manage the sonsoddo garbage site, it's probably because he's not yet completed his collection of hot wheels. And if the alemao clan is counting wheels, the rest of the politicos can't be that far behind. Will somebody in the media be willing to uncover more of this so that there's accountability and some pressure to curtail the large scale corruption?? Clinton.. +91 9890936828 -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goan land 'grows': HERALD(Goa) , July 6, 2008
Dear Valmiki That is one great way you have put it in perspective, specially the bottom line, god bless Ayres
Re: [Goanet] Tiatrists: Their real names v/s Stage names
On 7/1/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tiatrists: Their real names v/s Stage names OK, do you recognise these tiatrists by their real names? Who are these 10 ? 1. Francis Thomas Peter D'Souza 2. Rosario Alfred Fernandes 3. Manuel Santan Aguiar 4. Peter D'Costa 5. Hermezilo Camilo 6. Miguel Jacob Carmo Luis Fernandes 7. Julius Rodrigues 8. Thomas Camilo 9. Antonio Feliciano Dias 10.Cajetan Salvador Pereira Ans: 1. Bab Peter 2. Alfred Rose 3. M Boyer 4. Prem Kumar 5. H Britton (My sympathies to H Britton who lost his wife yesterday) 6. Prince Jacob 7. Jr. Rod 8. T Britton 9. Tony Dias 10.Cajetan de Sanvordem Please, please add some more, let's compile a list. I would also like the real names behind these tiatrists: Souza Ferrao Japsis Hitler Shalibai Bata Kotto Koloi Star of Arossim Young Chico mini Mario Mario de Vasco bab andrew etc etc CARMO ROD please add more thanks for your support [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Konknni Saga: HERALD(Goa) , June 29, 2008
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- South Asian Film Festival in Goa from Fri (June 27) to Mon (June 30) At Kala Academy, and ESG, Panaji, Goa http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/076384.html --- Dear Valmiki A tribute of thanks for this wonderful article, I did try to attach a old song called don panna, what a article straight from the heart, god bless Ayres
Re: [Goanet] Chari on Goan musicians
Hi Eugene Sorry to bother you, but it has been nice to discover somethings, The great goan legends I had bypassed, I would love to beg of you forward me the MP3 of the whole gig if you dont think it is too much to ask, did Braz do spain on the same stage with Chris.I had the pleasure of seeing them do the same at Goa, chris I never heard him with a full back up band, but a thousands of jamups, that man was amazing. Please pass on what you have, I do not have the privilege of the same gig, but I can pass on what I have in Jazz, let me know just waiting for the same regards Ayres On 6/7/08, Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further to my post on Chari's piece, I just remembered the name of the band that sons of Chris Perry worked with -- Boney M. I must add that both Chris and Braz played together, perhaps for the first time, at the gala opening ceremony of the First International Goan Convention in Toronto in 1988.They rocked the Roy Thompson Hall with their music. It was indeed a pleasure to match these two maestros on stage, each one in their own inimitable style. It was a good idea that a cassette of their music was later produced. The cassette titled, The Legends, features fine songs, Goa, sung by Jean Samion, an Anglo-Indian, Beautiful Goa and Ola Goa, both sung by Yvonne Gonsalves, wife of Braz. As for the solo on their respective instruments, Early Morning by Chris on trumpet, and I Love Jesus and Mary by Braz on Soprano Sax are heart-soothing pieces. I especially like Braz's piece which I play to destress myself. I attended their practice sessions before they went on stage. Had long talks on what shaped their music. However, most of it I have forgotten. One must appreciate Chris's ability to train non-Konkani speakers such as Jean Samion and, earlier, Mofd Rafi, India's greatest playback singer, to sing in our language. Chris would later mention to me that it took him hours and hours to get Mohd Rafi to get his pronounciations right. Similarly, he got Lorna to get her Konkani right and also trained her in voice modulation. Lorna rarely spoke Konkani and still today her conversational Konkani is not up to mark. That's the mark of success that Chris brought to his music and art. I have The Legends in MP3 format and would be glad to forward it to anyone wanting it. Unfortunately, I do not have a YouTube account where I could uploaded it. Eugene -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Remembering Anthony Gonsalves
HI Gabe They say listening can make you learn, that's what I do, would rather stay out of unnecessary complications, I do surely appreciate when its a good piece of writing, thanks mate , I will work on the cigarette part, regards Ayres On 6/2/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/1 gwasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Gabe, Well , I do not know if you remember me, remember there is man sitting at Longin, black as night and sipping coffee, as black as his soul, How R U Navelkar, That articvle there, was the best I have read , would apperitiate if you could source out more, Wow , keep up the good work, U just made my day, after a dull weekend. regards Ayres REPLY: What a small World indeed, didn't realise you were on this forum as well! Take it easy on the coffee and the cigarettes. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Irrigation
Hi Cedric Valmiki has been doing this on regular basis, He is one person I know who has the , to put in pen and paper, Please refer to all sunday articles on Goa's Herald for the last year, and you will conclude for your self, My hats of to you ,for apperitiating the same, MY DEAR CEDRIC, WE CAN VOICE OUR OPINION AND FINDING, end of the day, when election time, these same Ministers and politicians, buy You and me out, OR CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW CHURCHILL WON AT NAVELIM, A expoliticians from Navelim has been countered of having a fortune, of 500cr today after 27 years. of which he pays taxes. The current PWD minister has ammassed more then 500cr in 6 months tax free, where are we going and taking our destiny. that is the going rate at election time 5000 rs for vote, every town has a slum , which is kept there to get these mavirrick in power, My friend for every goan like U and me there are 200 of outside votes, I can understand the reason you are at Dubai. nice to have met you on the forum. regards Ayres On 6/2/08, cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goa's Irrigation : Valmiki Faleiro Brilliant! finally someone out there dared to write in detail (expose?) on the manner in which Goa's haphazard irrigation system is planned. It only showed that since the 80's and till date the agricultural sector in Goa has been highly mismanaged and inbetween successful engineers (specially outsiders), PWD and agricultural ministers have made a huge buck by fooling the public of Goa. The selaulim dam is as everybody knows a huge state blunder and is often reffered to as a white elephant. And surprisingly till date, there is no hurry by the government to start the parallel water line. Margao has experienced several water shortages -- thanks to the record number of times the selaulim pipe line has burst. Well written Valmiki -- who else but a person who has walked the talk through a celeberated journalistic career and then as the margao mayor would enlighten the current generation better on the acts of ommission and commission that led to the selaulim pipeline disaster and also the slow murder of the irrigation system in Goa, specially the stron south Goa... Kind regards Cedric da Costa Dubai -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Remembering Anthony Gonsalves
Hi Gabe, Well , I do not know if you remember me, remember there is man sitting at Longin, black as night and sipping coffee, as black as his soul, How R U Navelkar, That articvle there, was the best I have read , would apperitiate if you could source out more, Wow , keep up the good work, U just made my day, after a dull weekend. regards Ayres
Re: [Goanet] 'Goenkarponn': HERALD(Goa), May 18, 2008
Dear Valmiki Keep up the good work, wow imagine the person at plot no 3, I sure envy him, regards Ayres --- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa has become a Toilet
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- Hi Merwyn Calling Goa a Toilet turned state is one thing I would not agree with, What have I done for my love, what I would or can do for her, is what I would ask, I have seen and heard all this grab about Goa written by all, HOW MANY OF YOU CAN STAY IN GOA AND FIGHT FOR GOA. The bottom line will be , I have a good Job and my family to take care of, Preaching can go on and ideas conveyed, but not action and soul sacrifice, We are responsible, regards Ayres deSouza On 5/16/08, Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- While we are here, I will asking the UK government to put in place a reciprocal arrangement whereby properties of Goan settlers in the UK are confiscated and the country's 60,000 Goan immigrants are forced to return to India. Folks, 1) It amazes me that in today's world, a person can migrate to another country and insist on keeping the nationality of his old country. 2) Thankfully, the British have a sense of justice and do not pass 'revenge' laws for its citizens. 3) I agree with the author that Goa has become a toilet. The current crop of people who pose as politicians today are, essentially, the scum of Goan society. All they are concerned about is how to make money (bribes) in the short term. The pressure they are putting on foreigners to abandon their property has to be coming from their masters i.e. the builders and property developers from out of state. Mervyn3.0 __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] Goa has become a Toilet
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- Hi Eddie This article by the so called foreigners, ( I would call them willing Goans) to our politicians they are foreignor, NO Votes so call them alliens, The concept of foreigners cannot buy land, why , like they have put it accross, can we absorb all our Goans abroad, ?? What are we trying to do dig our past, I would do the basic, hold on to my land, we have survived by exodus to Sea , Africa, Gulf , UK, US and Australia, if we can so can they. I am a proud Goan , who lives here loves it here, I have tried to adjust, Places , People and circumstances I cannot change , just myself. IF I HAVE TI LIVE, CASTIGASTE OUR POLITICIANS, CAN WE ?? DO WE??? Do we really care about our GOA. or just our pockets, Ayres deSouza On 5/14/08, Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Confiscate properties of UK Goans and deport them Source: Herald 14 May 2008 at http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=3950cid=13 By Michelle Savage, UK Full text: Eight years ago, my husband and I decided that we no longer wanted to deal with the stress of working in high pressure jobs. Our children were all married and half of them had moved abroad. We looked around and decided to move to Goa. We approached a reputed builder and local advocate, who all told us we were safe to buy property in Goa. To be on the safe side, we asked the advocate to confirm through the Reserve Bank (RBI) that any purchase made by us was legal. We received a letter from the RBI advising that there would be no objection, providing we complied with FEMA. We still have this letter. As we are not great lovers of modern architecture, we purchased an old Portuguese house with a nice-sized garden. All the paperwork was completed and we took possession of the property. Renovating the property and grounds was expensive; in all honesty it would have been cheaper to build a new house. But we were happy that it was our last house and we would make it just as we wanted. For several years we were very happy in Goa. Then all of sudden we are being treated quite disgracefully. The press runs daily horror stories of how Goa doesn't want people like us. We originally came on a 5 year X Visa. Then we were told we no longer qualify for these visas, and can only have a six-month tourist visa. Now MLAs are openly saying that properties purchased by foreigners will be confiscated and auctioned. We sadly decided to leave Goa, but were informed that we could not sell our property. Our builder, who has enjoyed our patronage for years, has said that he will deal with all the paperwork if we sell the house to him for the initial purchase price (excluding what we paid him). My husband has become quite ill from all the stress, and we are now back in the UK so that he can be treated for the illness this has brought on. While we are here, I will asking the UK government to put in place a reciprocal arrangement whereby properties of Goan settlers in the UK are confiscated and the country's 60,000 Goan immigrants are forced to return to India. We want to say that we wished we had never heard of Goa and had never visited India. The whole experience makes me want to constantly cry, and I have been prescribed anti-depressants, something that never happened in the past. I would make a sincere plea to the authorities in Goa. We haven't done anything wrong. Let us sell our legally purchased property and we guarantee we will come back again. Forwarded by Eddie Fernandes http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ -Original Message- Goa has become a Toilet 13 May: British Expats Goa Forum. http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536195 -- Ayres deSouza
