Re: [Goanet] The intriguing trial of Monserrate?

2008-10-16 Thread Venantius Pinto
I hope and pray that at no point do the police vent their frustration on
Rohit Monserrate, when they find him or he surrenders himself. This is very
important to understand, although the same treatment is almost never
accorded to the common citizen. Also, interrogations under pressure often
allow a judge to find discrepancies and chuck the case out of court.

Its also time to try and develop a culture of writing to your
representative. So Talegao constituents, and others should consider wishing
Babush well, tell him that their hearts go out to him, and urge him to seek
justice as any other person. There is nothing wrong and insulting in that.

Babush, if you are reading this, do understand that people can be very
forgiving. As a Christian that you are allow justice to take its course.
Atone. It cannot hurt you in the long run. You may even reap fourfold. Set
an example. Such an act on your part may help the house of cards, you
politicians have created to come crumbling down. People will remember you,
and every police and higher government official.

Someone convince him. Perhaps even the Bishop and Archbishop.

Venantius J Pinto


Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate

2008-10-15 Thread tony martin
Ref.:  You call a rape and sexual molestation a misdemeanor?

Dear Gabe

No court has pronounced any judgement yet. I will still call sending
lewd messages a misdemeanor.
Regards.
-- 
Tony Martin
Freelance Writer, Author
Dubai, UAE


Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate

2008-10-15 Thread Venantius Pinto
Perhaps alleged rape, and alleged sexual molestation, allegedly sexually
molested?
venantius


 From: tony martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate

 Ref.:  You call a rape and sexual molestation a misdemeanor?

 Dear Gabe
 No court has pronounced any judgement yet. I will still call sending
 lewd messages a misdemeanor.
 Regards.




[Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate?

2008-10-14 Thread tony martin
When tempers are frayed all around perhaps many will not choose to see
reason in my views and may even view me as an antagonist of a civil
society. So let me first make it clear at the outset that I don't seek
to give any clean chit to anybody, least of all to Monserrate and his
son Rohit.
After all the antecedents, (complaint against Monseratte for faking
education qualifications in his election affidavit and helping German
researcher Fadela Fuchs get justice against Monserate's son over
sexual and mental abuse) Adv. Aires Rodrigues certainly has reason to
suspect Monserate. But my stupid mind tells me to agree with
Monserrate when he says: I am already going through deep trouble. Why
would I think of attacking the complainant and become the obvious
suspect. My stupid mind also tells me that for an adversary (in the
light of Rohit's misdemeanor) this was the best time to stoke the
fires of hatred against Monserrate. That also means a round-about blow
to the Congress that has earned some good will by default among a
section of people in recent months.
As JoeGoaUK puts it: If not Digu Kaka should sack him.  If that does
not happen the Governor should sack the present govt.(calling fresh
elections) or if nothing happerns then the people (the people power)
should sack the Minister or the Govt.
Joe and all of us Goans have good reason to feel angry and express our
frustrations. But if Monserrate's political adversary alibi is indeed
true, then that is a big boost to plan more sinister plots with far
more disastrous consequences for Goa and Goans.
It is certainly fair to demand Monserratte's resignation pending
investigations. But who will investigate?  Goa Police? The 'Goa
Police' is nothing more than a recent synonym for shame or may be for
shamelessness.
Monserate may be a Narkasur. I don't know him personally. I only have
a fair idea about politics, politicians and their priorities. But in a
civil society, and in the present case, it is unfair that he should be
tried by the media, by netizens, by citizens and by everyone who
thinks his views need to be heard.
Coming to Rohit Monserrate. Again let me remind you that this is not
an attempt to justify Rohit and his irresponsible conduct. But
children do fall in 'love' at a very tender age particularly in the
West and in Goa too. When did the message sending start and when did
it lead to sexual abuse? Where did the sexual abuse take place? When
did the mother go to the police?
May be we do have another case of negligence by a white mother here.
Will the woman's group of the Fiona fame rise up?
Let me end with my Net friend Vidyadhar Gadgil's signature quote --
Question Everything – Karl Marx.
-- 
Tony Martin
Freelance Writer, Author
Dubai, UAE


Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate?

2008-10-14 Thread Frederick Noronha

tony martin wrote:
 Monserate may be a Narkasur. I don't know him personally. I only have
 a fair idea about politics, politicians and their priorities. But in a
 civil society, and in the present case, it is unfair that he should be
 tried by the media, by netizens, by citizens and by everyone who
 thinks his views need t

Tony, activism is becoming curiouser and curiouser in Goa these days!

This evening, Parrikar was lambasting the the three Congressmen whom he 
now sees as responsible for the bloody government that we suffer from. 
But he didn't see that these guys had their hands bloodied when Digu, 
Ravi Naik and Babush were propping up his government at a crucial point 
of time in Goa's saffronising history when he had no mandate to rule.


Aren't these the same guys who gave credibility to the Babushes of our 
world, so as to better their chances of a victory, by minus-sing one 
from the 'other' side? Who built up these guys as Catholic leaders, 
and had no problem with them as long as they were in the right camp? 
Remember the income tax raids and who supported whom then?


Within the Congress too, there are a lot of shenanigans emerging.

Narvekar and others want Babush's seat, not better morality in 
governance. When ex-ministers also turn activist and block IT habitats 
in their fiefdom, I don't think this is kindly taken to.


Bottomline probably is that the other Congressmen don't like the way one 
of them is dominating the cash-cow that is the real estate lobby in 
today's Goa! The statements being made by various politicians, both 
within and outside the party, are most insightful. So is the reporting 
in a State, where politicians have of late quite successfully built 
extensions of their party operations even within the Fourth Estate!


(Imagine Narvekar voicing outrage, when the ex-minister was himself 
accused in a strikingly similar case, for sending his 'goons' to beat up 
Rajan Narayan, according to the editor, quite some years back.)


Ravi Naik would probably like to up the public outrage, and then step in 
as the hero taking action. (As for Goa's abilities in staging fake 
arrests, the less said the better; someone was remembering a man called 
Battlo just yesterday) He's not the only one. Who says there's no bitter 
competition among politicians fronting for various lobbies and offering 
to do the job better?


Trials by public opinion can be both dangerous and prone to 
manipulation. Trials by activism is as unfair. That the legal system 
works very slowly, and justice often fails to be delivered, is no excuse


Aires' and Prajal's brutal assault follows earlier similar attacks on 
Rajan Narayan and our (mine and Tony's) colleague Anthony Fernandes. 
Anthony, now in the Gulf, had just done an expose on the launching of a 
Goa 'matka' operations here some years ago. It was not possible for any 
Babush to take an Aires-has-many-enemies position in the Anthony 
Fernandes case, because the link was rather obvious. Like in this case, 
Anthony was also beaten up while at dinner at the Horseshoe Restaurant, 
not far from Anand.


I've known Aires since his early days on Goanet, and respect his 
considerable intelligence, ability to make an argument and write 
convincingly. At short notice, he had the ability to write a 1200-word 
article making a very clear case critiquing what was wrong with 
governance in Goa, for isntance. But, for the likes of me, I have yet to 
fathom out the method to the madness of Aires' campaigns.


For that matter, after the December 2007 'attack' (quotes, because the 
versions keep changing, depending on Babush's proximity to power!) Aires 
was one of the prominent Babush supporters seated in his plush 
residence, as the politician held court and addressed us mere mortals 
and journos, telling us about the brutalities on his hapless son, etc.


I find it hard to believe that activists can convince themselves that 
their persistent campaigns are actually not tailor-made to benefit one 
or the other as dubious political interest in today's Goa. While many 
activists are still sincere to their beliefs and struggles and have to 
fight hard over it (compare the concern raised over mining in interior 
Goa recently!), being a political cats-paw might only spread further 
cynicism in Goa.


And, a last thought: I think it just goes to show the needs of dubious 
agenda-driven campaigning and media sensationalism that we need to 
identify the 14-year-old girl caught in this alleged sex crime, by 
making her so easily identifiable. (Mother's name, nationality, 
profession, village or residence, etc.) There were some hot words 
exchanged in the pre-internet days when Dayanand Narvekar was himself 
caught up in a 'molestation' controversy (the reasons for these inverted 
commas are perhaps more apparent today than in those days of heady 
campaigning!). But not only are we violating the suggested ethics laid 
down by the Press Council (many newspapers and agencies 

Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate?

2008-10-14 Thread Gabe Menezes
2008/10/14 tony martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 When tempers are frayed all around perhaps many will not choose to 
 see


 (in the
 light of Rohit's misdemeanor) 
 Tony Martin.


 Freelance Writer, Author
 Dubai, UAE

RESPONSE: You call a rape and sexual molestation a misdemeanor?

Back to the drawing board my man, check out the meaning, you teacher
of English:-

misdemeanor
One entry found.


Main Entry:
mis·de·mean·or Listen to the pronunciation of misdemeanor
Pronunciation:
\-di-ˈmē-nər\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century

1 : a crime less serious than a felony



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.