Re: [h-cost] World Record says 15??? was: Corset Training for 13
I think so I'm pretty sure I've read about it somewhere last time mythical waist sizes came up on one of my lists, but it's a corset cover not an actual corset there's a fabric corset underneath that actually gets her waist down to that size and then the metal corset cover is a decorative piece of jewellery to go over the top. Elizabeth - Original Message - From: Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] World Record says 15??? was: Corset Training for 13 In the picture on the Guinness site, is she wearing a metal corset? snip http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/human_body/extreme_bodies/small est_waist_on_a_living_person.aspx snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] World Record says 15??? was: Corset Training for 13
It certainly looks like it, yes. Or at least a metal corset cover. (I think there must be a laced corset underneath to cinch down the waist. I don't think you could use hinged metal to reduce the waist without pinching something tender) Emma Quoting Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the picture on the Guinness site, is she wearing a metal corset? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katy Bishop Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] World Record says 15??? was: Corset Training for 13 She looks gruesome in person, her face is so tortured. I saw her about 10 years ago at a Victorian ball. Katy On 11/9/06, Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:59 PM 11/9/2006, you wrote: It just happens to be Guiness World Record Day...they showed a spot on the local news which showed the current world record holders waist has expanded from 15 to 20! http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/human_body/extreme_bodies/small est_waist_on_a_living_person.aspx H Sg I must say I don't find her wasp-waist to be particularly attractive. She looks like she might break in two in a high wind. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cloak clasps
Greetings:-)) Does anyone know some good source where I can buy some cloak clasps of reasonable prices and shipping? Preferably from the UK, because I'm from Europe. Thanks, Zuzana - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak clasps?
REPLY Gentle Lady Zuzana, from previous personal experience, I'd suggest you take a look at the online catalogues of Steve Millingham's Pewter Replicas, and Colin Torode's Lionheart Replicas. I believe both Gentles are Master Pewterers, - and I have had the pleasure of dealing with these UK-based Merchants over the last 3 years, and enjoyed quite exceptional and helpful service from both of them. I believe that both of their catalogues show replica cloak clasps, either modelled upon archeological finds or examples already in National Museums such as the Museum of London. Disclaimer, - I have no commercial relationships with either, save as a VERY satisfied customer. I cannot recommend them highly enough.. Yours in Service to our Dream Julian Wilson, in old Jersey, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker] Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings:-)) Does anyone know some good source where I can buy some cloak clasps of reasonable prices and shipping? Preferably from the UK, because I'm from Europe. Thanks, ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: On Chopines
Hi Cynthia, Those are gorgeous Chopines, gosh how beautifull! Must be something of a challenge to both walk and not the least to danse with! Thanks for showing. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: On Chopines H-costumers, My new chopines have been finished for a month or so now. They're quite a challenge to walk in. They've got their own webpage, too. You can scroll thru and see how they were done. My chopines are the tall red ones. http://AandS.org/raisedheels/index.html I've started dancing in them, lately. Mostly bassedanza pavans. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/7/06, Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was fitted for my new chopines last nite. You can see a picture of the cork structure with the undyed footbed, and my fabric here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is Works in Progress. The chopines are part of the 2nd set. Woo-hoo I will soon ascend to the heights of fashion! BTW, ladies gents, have you seen this? There's a lovely yellow velvet 16th c chopine 360' view with zoom. Look at the tooled leather footbed. That's different! The chopine's all covered in lace silk ribbon bows. http://www.allaboutshoes.ca/en/heights_of_fashion/east_meets_west/ This is the Bata Shoe Museum's new online catalog. Oddly you cant get to All About Shoes from the Bata Shoe Museum's or the reverse. It's new, and that's the reason, I suppose. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak clasps
At 14:36 11/11/2006, you wrote: Greetings:-)) Does anyone know some good source where I can buy some cloak clasps of reasonable prices and shipping? Preferably from the UK, because I'm from Europe. http://chimera-costumes.co.uk/shop/shop.php Accessories start on page 8. Know them by reputation only - have not bought personally. http://www.militarymetalwork.co.uk/products.php?cat=51pg=2 as above - not bought but have seen his goods. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: On Chopines
I LOVE your red brocaded chopines! Thank you much for posting your how to site - this will definitely go on my (massive) backlist of potential future projects! Allison T. On 11/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:17:09 -0800 From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: On Chopines To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed H-costumers, My new chopines have been finished for a month or so now. They're quite a challenge to walk in. They've got their own webpage, too. You can scroll thru and see how they were done. My chopines are the tall red ones. http://AandS.org/raisedheels/index.html I've started dancing in them, lately. Mostly bassedanza pavans. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/7/06, Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was fitted for my new chopines last nite. You can see a picture of the cork structure with the undyed footbed, and my fabric here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is Works in Progress. The chopines are part of the 2nd set. Woo-hoo I will soon ascend to the heights of fashion! BTW, ladies gents, have you seen this? There's a lovely yellow velvet 16th c chopine 360' view with zoom. Look at the tooled leather footbed. That's different! The chopine's all covered in lace silk ribbon bows. http://www.allaboutshoes.ca/en/heights_of_fashion/east_meets_west/ This is the Bata Shoe Museum's new online catalog. Oddly you cant get to All About Shoes from the Bata Shoe Museum's or the reverse. It's new, and that's the reason, I suppose. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] dress type
I have finally found a propper picture to show. This is a painting of the view over the thames. Its from the mid century. You can clearly see that the ladies dresses dont have the sack backed trains in the back. I have seen this type of dress in many danish paintings two, yeat this type of dress is never spoken of in any history books. So i ask you! Please take a look at this painting wich i uploaded, it is cropped just to show the persons, and its ben magnified a lot, so its not the best quality. What is this dress called? Is it bodice and skirt, or is the skirt attached to the bodice? I am so curious to hear what you think! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/thames.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
I don't know what sort of dress this is called, but some of those ladies are showing an awful lot of ankle! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] iron corset ( long-ish)
I didn't know there was a sex machine museum in Prague! Gotta go there sometime:-)) Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 23:00 07/11/2006, you wrote: The story so far: Here is the specific block of text that really got my curiosity up, this is copied from en.wikibooks.org; it's one of the hits I got when I did a google image search for iron corset --copied text follows-- Iron corsets are Victorian Era corsetcovers made of metal. There are several in museum collections. It is sometimes claimed that these were the everyday wear of women and girls throughout Europe in the sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries. But they are more likely to be orthopedic instruments used by a very few women whose posture was not considered acceptable by the health and beauty standards of the time. * It is likely that the Iron Corset was originally a type of armour worn only by men. * The fact is as the iron corset was used both of men and women, but only on dress occasions. The iron was heavy, but the dress was also heavy, and the iron was padded underneath like armour. The silk of that time was very expensive but of poor quality and stretched poorly. It looked beautiful on the shining metal. The iron corset also worked as a bulletproof waistcoat, because assassination by knife in heart was a common risk. * The padded iron corset and armour was known as a corset on women, and a waistcoat (vest) on men. --end copied text-- This block, or portions of it, is used on any number of websites. I'd like to know where these ideas came from. Not in this text is the idea that the iron corset was invented by the de Medici's, or that Catherine wore one to achieve her 13 inch waist, though that's another common theme. The iron corsets I've located so far are as follows: http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume/bonc/4subjectsearch/lingerie/lingerie18th/lingerie18.html one in the sex machines museum (you have been warned)(not actually sexually explicit) in the sex machines gallary http://www.sexmachinesmuseum.com http://employees.oneonta.edu/angellkg/RENAISSA.HTML near the bottom of the page. This one is in the Cluny museum? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Iron_corset two more, as well as duplicates and drawings. http://web.archive.org/web/20050302121500/http://greatdayamerica.com/style/fashion/lycracorset.shtml http://www.staylace.com/unsortedjpgs/iron.jpg I *think* this one is in the Wallace Collection http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/fall99/bendlin/page2.html one new and one repeat and finally http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13444/13444-h/13444-h.htm#page101 which is a facimile of a book published in 1920 which includes variations on the de Medici comments. I have some theories, any or all of which may be true. I think some of the corsets may have been shop signs or orthopedic devices. I think some of them might have been victorian reproductions or fetish objects. (I have at least one victorian naughty picture of a woman in an iron corset--it is a medieval costume) I welcome any thoughts anybody else might have. I have always thought they could be early dress dummies - no boobs ones are easy to pad to shape. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: On Chopines
Cin wrote: You can scroll thru and see how they were done. My chopines are the tall red ones. I can't wait to see the dress that goes with them! Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
Y'knownow that I look at Mrs. Andrews again _http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg) It looks more like the crisp blue silk of her dress in is spread out and poofed up on the bench from her sitting, and not a pannier at all. Great painting, huh? I'd forgotten how lovely it was. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
What year is the painting, may I ask? It looks awfully stylized by the artist to me, the exaggerated shape and feel of the skirts being the same on all figures. But I don't see why this couldn't be an en fourreau gown, or one cut with a separate bodice if late in the century. The ladies have aprons but one looks like she has a stomacher too. So the gowns could be that popular thing in England of gown and petticoat and trimmings all of one plain fabricusually with a very wide pannier. Like Gainsborough's Mr. Mrs Andrews . But upon looking at the painting I see it appears Mrs. Andrews has a jacket and petticoat arrangement all in one plain fabric. Interesting. _http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg) Then here's Mary, Countess Howe all in pink, but without the pannier. _http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/howe.jpg_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/howe.jpg) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] iron corset ( long-ish)
Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know there was a sex machine museum in Prague! Gotta go there sometime:-)) We expect a full report on the corset when you do! (Honestly, if you're planning on going, I could come up with a list of questions for you to ask...) Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
I have finally found a propper picture to show. This is a painting of the view over the thames. Its from the mid century. You can clearly see that the ladies dresses dont have the sack backed trains in the back. I have seen this type of dress in many danish paintings two, yeat this type of dress is never spoken of in any history books. So i ask you! Please take a look at this painting wich i uploaded, it is cropped just to show the persons, and its ben magnified a lot, so its not the best quality. What is this dress called? Is it bodice and skirt, or is the skirt attached to the bodice? I am so curious to hear what you think! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/thames.htm To me it looks like a version of the Anglaise style dress. Or am I missing something? If they are Anglaise dresses, then the skirt is attached to the bodice, they close in the front with small straight pins, and the bottom of the bodice comes to a point in the front and back. The skirt is also pleated to the bodice all the way around. Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
I am no expert here, but Boucher says in general middle class in this period showed feet and ankles. Page 300 shows http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/2003/genre/158-058.htmhttp://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/2003/genre/158-058.htm as an example. She also discusses several others which don't appear to have anything on the back (unlike the pleats (a l' francaise) or the saque gown where the fabric at the back was apparently gathered.) She doesn't give a name for them. Not clear, but perhaps one can infer here that the robe a l' Anglaise do not have the fabric at the back? She says the a l' francaise was worn for ceremonies where as the l' Anglaise was worn in every day life. Here is one from the middle of the century which doesn't appear to have the back fabric: http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=277http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2I=277 Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
It looks to be to be a Robe a' l'anglaise with an en fereau back. Most of the bodice is cut seperately from the skirt, except the narrow centre back piece, that one is cut one with the skirt. The pieces are then all stitched together as a dress, kinda like what you would do if it were a sacque. hope that helps Kelly - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] dress type I have finally found a propper picture to show. This is a painting of the view over the thames. Its from the mid century. You can clearly see that the ladies dresses dont have the sack backed trains in the back. I have seen this type of dress in many danish paintings two, yeat this type of dress is never spoken of in any history books. So i ask you! Please take a look at this painting wich i uploaded, it is cropped just to show the persons, and its ben magnified a lot, so its not the best quality. What is this dress called? Is it bodice and skirt, or is the skirt attached to the bodice? I am so curious to hear what you think! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/thames.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] cloak clasps
What period/era of cloak? What country? Some countries you can find the option of lacing instead of clasp. Usually eyelet holes or rings 3-4 on each side and ladder laced. I haven't seen criss cross. Also buttons. De -Original Message- Greetings:-)) Does anyone know some good source where I can buy some cloak clasps of reasonable prices and shipping? Preferably from the UK, because I'm from Europe. Thanks, Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dress type
What year is the painting, may I ask? It looks awfully stylized by the artist to me, the exaggerated shape and feel of the skirts being the same on all figures. But I don't see why this couldn't be an en fourreau gown, or one cut with a separate bodice if late in the century. The ladies have aprons but one looks like she has a stomacher too. So the gowns could be that popular thing in England of gown and petticoat and trimmings all of one plain fabricusually with a very wide pannier. Like Gainsborough's Mr. Mrs Andrews . But upon looking at the painting I see it appears Mrs. Andrews has a jacket and petticoat arrangement all in one plain fabric. Interesting. _http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/andrews.jpg) Then here's Mary, Countess Howe all in pink, but without the pannier. _http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/howe.jpg_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gainsborough/howe.jpg) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
