[h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
My husband sent me this story and suggested I share it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut-aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice. They couldn't find something that actually matched the feathers? Kathleen Norvell -Original Message- From: annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 3:50 pm Subject: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress My husband sent me this story and suggested I share it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut-aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 4/13/2009 4:02:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, app...@aol.com writes: The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice I agree. Of course a dumpster covered in 2000 peacock feathers would be awesome too. Or a Mac truck. Or anything! I'm impressed by the craftsmanship, but not by the design. **The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621489x1201450100/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The bodice looks like several of my bridesmaid dresses. I somehow did and do Not believe that bridesmaids are dressed as the best ever. An nin CT --- On Mon, 4/13/09, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: app...@aol.com writes: The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice I agree. Of course a dumpster covered in 2000 peacock feathers would be awesome too. Or a Mac truck. Or anything! I'm impressed by the craftsmanship, but not by the design. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:40 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Of course a dumpster covered in 2000 peacock feathers would be awesome too. Oh, Albert, I love you! You always sum things up so perfectly. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British paintings. This is the link to the catalogue: http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails event_id=29138 and the particular painting is: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. Annette Wilson - Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? I have seen pictures of ruffs where the 8s are apparently held together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that though - my library is not next to the computer! Suzi -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
In a message dated 4/13/2009 5:43:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, albert...@aol.com writes: The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice Well, I'm kind of lukewarm about it, too. But as someone who has worked with peacock feathers on a MUCH smaller scale, I must say, they aren't as easy to match as you might think. The colors are really muted, and most peacock prints I've seen have much more vibrant colors that don't really coordinate, and the same goes for choosing one of the solid colors--so-called peacock blue, for instance, is much brighter than the colors in the real feathers (technically, actually, not feathers, but bracts). So maybe that choice wasn't so bad, after all. Ann Wass **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0002) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Is the stronger white line at the base some kind of support? I wonder how much this one weighs!! Beautiful in it's curved shapes but way more than I'd want to wear. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:29:05 +1000 From: annette.wil...@environment.gov.au To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British paintings. This is the link to the catalogue: http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails event_id=29138 and the particular painting is: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. Annette Wilson - Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? I have seen pictures of ruffs where the 8s are apparently held together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that though - my library is not next to the computer! Suzi -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
If you zoom in on it, you can see that there is clearly a separate supporter below the ruff itself. The supporter has the lower row of pearl clusters attached to it, not to the ruff. The lower pearl clusters do not match up with the loops of the ruff, whereas the clusters on top do. While the single pearls at the junctions in the ruff could be either sewn on or on pin heads, the pearl clusters around the top of the ruff sure look like they are be sewn on as I don't see any trace of pins up there. Of course, there's no trace of pins in the middle either, but in this instance, I would opt for pinheads in the middle just for ease of ironing. If you carefully trace the lines, you'll note that the fabric is just one continuous single ruffle which has been pinned twice (creating that little box shape) rather than once in the middle. Ginni Morgan Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com 4/13/09 5:32 PM Is the stronger white line at the base some kind of support? I wonder how much this one weighs!! Beautiful in it's curved shapes but way more than I'd want to wear. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:29:05 +1000 From: annette.wil...@environment.gov.au To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British paintings. This is the link to the catalogue: http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails event_id=29138 and the particular painting is: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. Annette Wilson - Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? I have seen pictures of ruffs where the 8s are apparently held together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that though - my library is not next to the computer! Suzi -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
It's not a print, just had to clarify that- at the bottom of the article ;) Brocade and embroidery involved in it. I suspect the choice of design has to to with the symbolism of the flowers used. I have though seen a gorgeous fabric made to look like it had peacock feathers sewn to it. Was a great mimic of the real deal right next to it ;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com On 4/14/09, app...@aol.com app...@aol.com wrote: The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice. They couldn't find something that actually matched the feathers? Kathleen Norvell -Original Message- From: annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 3:50 pm Subject: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress My husband sent me this story and suggested I share it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut-aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
Definitely better than a dumpster ;) I like the bodice... I had a friend who had knee length bridesmaids dresses in a similar style and they were gorgeous. Sidney On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, michaela de bruce michaela.de.br...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a print, just had to clarify that- at the bottom of the article ;) Brocade and embroidery involved in it. I suspect the choice of design has to to with the symbolism of the flowers used. I have though seen a gorgeous fabric made to look like it had peacock feathers sewn to it. Was a great mimic of the real deal right next to it ;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com On 4/14/09, app...@aol.com app...@aol.com wrote: The skirt is awesome, but I really hate the print bodice. They couldn't find something that actually matched the feathers? Kathleen Norvell -Original Message- From: annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 3:50 pm Subject: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress My husband sent me this story and suggested I share it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut-aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
Was about to say the same thing... It's Suzhou embroidery, though, an ancient Chinese technique which gives photographic like images, so I can see how you could make the mistake if you're not aware of it. In a message dated 14/04/2009 02:15:16 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-requ...@indra.com writes: It's not a print, just had to clarify that- at the bottom of the article ;) Brocade and embroidery involved in it. I suspect the choice of design has to to with the symbolism of the flowers used. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut- aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
Probably hard to match because the colors aren't really pigments for the most part, but some very fancy light interference patterns. See: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/peacock.html That said, I hate the bodice, too. Patty From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of annbw...@aol.com [annbw...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:44 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress But as someone who has worked with peacock feathers on a MUCH smaller scale, I must say, they aren't as easy to match as you might think. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
From: Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. There are white peacocks Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Maybe it was snowing ? We don't get snow here :( Sidney On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Carmen Beaudry moreplen...@earthlink.netwrote: From: Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. There are white peacocks Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
Yes there are. I also have some white peacock feathers, pretty much the same colors as the ones of yours. Google on albino peacock. I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. There are white peacocks ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm being terrible...sorry. :) Sidney 2009/4/14 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com Yes there are. I also have some white peacock feathers, pretty much the same colors as the ones of yours. Google on albino peacock. I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. There are white peacocks ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
What gave you the impression they were bleached? De -Original Message- I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut- aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress
Now that I've looked at the albino peacocks, I definitely think my feathers were bleached. The albinos are pure white and the bleached feathers had a bit of color still on them. Also I saw a web page where they sold bleached peacock, as well as overdyed. The dyed are not bleached first, however the red ones are quite striking. I had some of those, too. I don't know if it's in Philadelphia any more, but I got mine at the S.A. Feather Company. It was also a great source for ostrich plumes of various colors and sizes. I used those more then anything for historic things. Sometimes they would have the end of a dye lot that were fairly cheap. They did custom dyeing, although of course they can be dyed at home, too. -Carol On Apr 14, 2009, at 12:20 AM, otsisto wrote: What gave you the impression they were bleached? De -Original Message- I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut- aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
