[h-cost] Re: Sir Edmund Verney's gold doublet
Linda Walton wrote: To wish everyone on this list a bright New Year, I'm sending you this link to a photo of a brilliant garment, which I came across recently by some serendipity:- exhibition of Sir Edmund's gold doublet, circa 1633 http://www.thesandells.net/2012/WarwickBuckinghamMarch/godldoublet.html It can be seen at Claydon House http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/claydon/ Wow - stunning! (and exactly the period I'm interested in.) I've read the book The Verneys by Adrian Tinniswood, which is about the family in the 17th century. What a remarkably wide neckband the doublet has. Of course the fashionable look was to have the collar close up to the throat, but you never see the neckband uncovered in pictures to realise quite how high it was. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor Derby, UK _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] Sir Edmund Verney's gold doublet
If you've read Tinniswood, then perhaps you will also know the four-volume book, The Memoirs of the Verney Family by Frances Parthenope Lady Verney, (1892, 1970)? If not, then you may like to look up page 125, where there is a little piece about Sir Ralph Verney's tailor's bills for 1632-33, and the fine clothes he and Sir Edmund Verney had when they served at the king's coronation in Edinburgh. I presume that the gold doublet might have been one of the items he wore there. Unfortunately, although there are many quotations in the book, there are not many details about this event. The Introductory Note speaks of two publications by a Mr Bruce, edited papers for the Camden Society, in 1845 and 1853, and of course there may well be more recent research, but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with any of it. The frontispiece is a photograph of a portrait of Sir Edmund Verney, then at Claydon House, but I have not been able to find a modern reproduction. The caption in the book reads: Sir Edmund Verney, Kt. From a picture painted in Spain, at Claydon House. 'Over the door of the Print-room is the picture of Sir Edmund Verney, Kt. Marshall, with short hair' -- mentioned in all the lists. Sir Edmund disliked this portrait of himself, and it was marked, 'done in Spain -- unlike'. Rich in colouring, sash green and gold, the sleeves a dark red over white. Hoping this is of interest, Catherine Walton. On 14/01/2013 09:34, Kate Bunting wrote: Wow - stunning! (and exactly the period I'm interested in.) I've read the book The Verneys by Adrian Tinniswood, which is about the family in the 17th century. What a remarkably wide neckband the doublet has. Of course the fashionable look was to have the collar close up to the throat, but you never see the neckband uncovered in pictures to realise quite how high it was. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor Derby, UK ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 14th c. German interpretation assistance
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Patricia Dunham wrote: Braun et Schneider is really Victorian, the plates you mention are available on-line at http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/COSTUME4_INDEX.HTML Personally, I see a short length of decorated, CENTERED opening at the top neck. I do not get any impression of off-centered-ness from this gold-colored artifact. I don't believe I've ever seen a period gardecorps image with an off-center neck opening. IF there are buttons they may or may not be functional, vs decorative, at this period. I see the bottom of a center front opening; which, specifically for riding, MAY be mirrored at the back, although there is no indication of this in the illustration. I do not see anything that looks like it is opening a side seam in the main body of the garment. I see very ordinary looking hanging sleeves (thanks, Sharon) with an upper front opening for the arm. This type of opening is usually cut in the body of the sleeve, nothing to do with any sleeve seams. So, I googled the name from the Manesse Codex plate originally posted, Ulrich von Gutenburg, and scanned images until I found something that had a similar garment, but wasn't old Ulrich, and I found a term in the thumbnail labels that caused a BIG face-palm: GARDECORPS. [snip] Ooooh, more sources!! Specifically, it's what my consort and I term a Type III garde-corps, as opposed to the other two varieties which are less full in the body and have different sleeves. Mostly what I was wondering about was the center-front thing--most garde-corps-type garments on men are slit center front and back. I won't say all, because I am pretty sure there's at least one example out there that isn't, but most of them are. This particular depiction confused me because there is clearly a slit *somewhere*, I just couldn't figure out where. [this may have something to do with the head colds I have been having since mid-October--my deductive reasoning skills are totally gone.] It being a man's garment is why I didn't count the one(s) appearing in Manesse on women, because a woman's garde-corps isn't slit. Many thanks for the input!!! Jen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Historical Costume Contest
Announcing our 1st Annual Historical Costume Contest. No purchase necessary. Cash prizes. 8 time period categories to enter. Enter as many costumes as you would like. Winners chosen by popular vote. Contest starts January 1, 2013, and deadline for entries is March 31, 2013. Please help spread the word. Thank you! http://www.oldtimepatterns.com/costumecontest Sandy Gowland Old Time Patterns ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
