Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
Thanks Bjarne, but in the context this is definitely a dress of some kind. One of several references--We have retired to dress for dinner. Shall I tell you our dresses? I hear you say Yes. Mrs. P. wears a brocade; Cousin M. her pink Great-Coat, and I my pink. Ann Wass Anne, Have you thought about trying to contact Linda Baumgarten, the author of these books? If anyone would know, she is probably the person. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=s_sf_b_as/104-8506690-0966322 I believe that she is the Curator of Textiles at Colonial Williamsburg. You may even be able to speak to her on the phone. :-) ( see below link ) http://www.history.org/search/contact.cfm Let us know, if you do find out? We're all intrigued now, I'm sure. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:35:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you thought about trying to contact Linda Baumgarten, the author of these books? If anyone would know, she is probably the person. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=s_sf_b_as/104-8506690 -0966322 I believe that she is the Curator of Textiles at Colonial Williamsburg. You may even be able to speak to her on the phone. :-) ( see below link ) http://www.history.org/search/contact.cfm Let us know, if you do find out? We're all intrigued now, I'm sure. Thanks, yes, I know Linda and have thought about contacting her. (Unfortunately, even she was not able to help clear up one of my other mysteries, which still remains so.) Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
Sounds to me that this coat might be her own term for a RobeD'Anglais? Even in these modern times I hear discussions about coat dresses of the 18th C. Kathleen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Coat In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a Viltskur wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was angle lenght and had a big collar attached to it according to the print they published of the episode. The german doctor had first his right hand cut off, then his head. He had an affair with our queen. Thanks Bjarne, but in the context this is definitely a dress of some kind. One of several references--We have retired to dress for dinner. Shall I tell you our dresses? I hear you say Yes. Mrs. P. wears a brocade; Cousin M. her pink Great-Coat, and I my pink. However, your story reminded me that I read a historical novel years ago about this queen. According to that author, her husband was, ahem, not that interested in women, so she turned elsewhere for solace. It was so long ago that I don't remember the title or author, but I remember it was about a queen of Denmark, and that her lover was a learned man. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Also, is this diary American or English or whatever. I suppose that could in itself give a clue. Kathleen - Original Message - From: michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Coat I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Would it be possible to read this in context? It may help us understand the context better as well. Have you tried the 18thC woman list on yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/ michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 15/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:20:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you've ever marched up and down some hill in the rain in the middle of the night with some idgit sergeant barking at you coz he's been barked at, you'll know what a great coat is! (A big overcoat) Ah, yes, I know this definition well, and have seen many examples. However, I repeat, in the context I'm talking about, this garment is most definitely NOT a heavy overcoat You don't wear those to dinner, I don't think, unless in camp, in the driving rain or numbing cold. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:23:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds to me that this coat might be her own term for a RobeD'Anglais? Even in these modern times I hear discussions about coat dresses of the 18th C. Thanks--that makes some sense. I am going to post to the 18thc Woman list, too, as soon as my membership is approved. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:25:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, is this diary American or English or whatever. I suppose that could in itself give a clue. Kathleen American, tidewater Virginia, 1787. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm wondering if great coat possibly could have been her nickname or personal slang between her and her friends for redingcote? I've deleted the original posting, but wasn't the dairy written in 1787? Weren't redingcotes very stylish then? They two terms sound so similar. I read a book years ago about Elizabeth Fry, about the same time period, (maybe a little later?), and she and her sisters had all sorts of family nicknames that would have meant nothing to an outsider. I nicknamed a dress of mine my Red Army dress - (it was a wool, army green coat dress) and only my sister would know what that meant. If I had mentioned it in a letter or diary, two hundred years later a reader might think that it was fashionable for women in the 1980's to wear dresses from the Soviet Union military when it was merely an in-joke between friends. Just thinking. Sheridan Alder At 10:14 PM 3/16/2006 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps it just means the outer most coat, or a long coatwhether it has multiple capes,or is even heavy wool, or no. Perhaps a long light coat for fall or spring or riding or traveling. Great referring to its length No, this is definitely what we would call a dress of some kind--one of her friends is putting one on for dinner. I'm only familiar with the definition as an overcoat, and that is why I'm so confused. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Great Coat
Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Thanks. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Dear Ann Was, Greatcoat is just a term of a winter used garment, worn outside of the jacket. It could be cut just like a jacket, but would be a little bigger, so that the jacket could be inside it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Great Coat Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Thanks. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:39:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Maybe she just thinks her coat is...great. That's a great coat! I knowI'm no help at all Perhaps it just means the outer most coat, or a long coatwhether it has multiple capes,or is even heavy wool, or no. Perhaps a long light coat for fall or spring or riding or traveling. Great referring to its length. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a Viltskur wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was angle lenght and had a big collar attached to it according to the print they published of the episode. The german doctor had first his right hand cut off, then his head. He had an affair with our queen. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Great Coat Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Thanks. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps it just means the outer most coat, or a long coatwhether it has multiple capes,or is even heavy wool, or no. Perhaps a long light coat for fall or spring or riding or traveling. Great referring to its length No, this is definitely what we would call a dress of some kind--one of her friends is putting one on for dinner. I'm only familiar with the definition as an overcoat, and that is why I'm so confused. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a Viltskur wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was angle lenght and had a big collar attached to it according to the print they published of the episode. The german doctor had first his right hand cut off, then his head. He had an affair with our queen. Thanks Bjarne, but in the context this is definitely a dress of some kind. One of several references--We have retired to dress for dinner. Shall I tell you our dresses? I hear you say Yes. Mrs. P. wears a brocade; Cousin M. her pink Great-Coat, and I my pink. However, your story reminded me that I read a historical novel years ago about this queen. According to that author, her husband was, ahem, not that interested in women, so she turned elsewhere for solace. It was so long ago that I don't remember the title or author, but I remember it was about a queen of Denmark, and that her lover was a learned man. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Great Coat
I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term great coat for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that coat could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular usage? Would it be possible to read this in context? It may help us understand the context better as well. Have you tried the 18thC woman list on yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/ michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 15/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
