Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Yup, that's her. http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg The effigy is pretty typical of upper class burials of the period, including the fact that the clothing styles are mostly static from about 1470, or so. The armor on the spouses is even more archaic. My ex-husband says, 1066 is contemporary, as a joke. I have 5 weeks to get the gown and headdress done. The crispinettes are to be covered in gold-embroidered velvet or velveteen (hopefully) using a blackwork fill pattern cause that's what it looks like, and the veil for the back is in progress. What I don't know, for sure, is the construction of the crispinettes (horns) or the way to put the whole thing together. Any input gratefully accepted. Thanks. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Pictures??? On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Claire Clarke angha...@adam.com.auwrote: Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Guenievre's message on Monday (6/20) has the link. Sorry, I can't repost it from here. Gwenhwyfaer/Ginni Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com 6/22/11 11:58 AM Pictures??? On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Claire Clarke angha...@adam.com.auwrote: Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Is this it? http://www.tara.tcd.ie/handle/2262/25836 Try here... http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg -Original Message- From: Ginni Morgan ginni.mor...@doj.ca.gov To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:03 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help Guenievre's message on Monday (6/20) has the link. Sorry, I can't repost it from here. Gwenhwyfaer/Ginni Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com 6/22/11 11:58 AM Pictures??? On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Claire Clarke angha...@adam.com.auwrote: Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:53:57 -0700 From: Regina Lawson reginalaws...@gmail.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help Message-ID: banlktin1egifnr85v7feskzjxuwtzcu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. ** I've made a couple of these wierd 15th century hats, though not one precisely like this. To start with you need a firmly fitting fabric headband (a wide strip of linen or cotton is good). This will keep all the stray hairs behaving (if you have the sort of hair that misbehaves) and form the base for the headdress. You can see something that might be this on the sculpture at the front of her forehead. I would pin the stiff part of the headdress to such a base. As for the stiff part, you can't really see the back of this one, so it might be two distinct horns, or it might be a single piece that goes right round the back of the head. If the latter, you could make it from buckram or cardboard (you might have to fiddle a bit to get the right shape), if the former I would use Cynthia's wireform instructions. Cover in fabric and decorate. Then drape a nice light-weight veil over the top. The wiggly bits in the middle look like oak-leaf dags to me. Dagging was used on women's hats in the 15th century (copying men's chaperones), but if, as someone else has pointed out, this is an anachronistic depiction, it maybe a mish mash of someone's ideas of 15th century styles. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. Thanks, all. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
For those, like me, who had to go look it up, an image of the headdress is here: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg Guenièvre On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Regina Lawson reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. Thanks, all. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
If you have the book Medieval Tailor's Assistant, I am pretty it she covers how to make such headdresses. Otherwise, perhaps Cynthia Virtue's website? http://www.virtue.to/articles/ Teena From: Guenievre de Monmarche guenie...@erminespot.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help For those, like me, who had to go look it up, an image of the headdress is here: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg Guenièvre On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Regina Lawson reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. Thanks, all. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Umm, that looks like a standard two-horned hennin (?) type headdress to me with a the lady dressed in a houpelande. With a ruffle edged veil pinned between the horns and plain edged on the back side? I would guess that the interesting things on the ruffled veil are broaches or veil pins with dangly bits. So wouldn't it be the same as the French and English versions? It doesn't look particularly Irish to me. Margaret died in 1542, so this effigy is very anachronistic. She was the daughter of the Earl of Kildare who was Lord Deputy of Ireland for five consecutive English kings ending with Henry VIII. She appears to have had close ties to the English court. Therefore, the anachronistic appearance of her effigy would appear to be deliberate. Certainly, I don't think a high-ranking Irish noblewoman of the early to mid 1500s is going to be wearing a houpelande and hennin when her husband is a cousin to Thomas Boleyn and when Henry VIII himself suggested her son as a prospective bridegroom for his cousin Anne Boleyn. Just my thoughts after a quick view of the effigy and a check on Wikipedia for info on Margaret. Tuppence only. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Ginni Morgan) Guenievre de Monmarche guenie...@erminespot.com 6/20/11 11:58 AM For those, like me, who had to go look it up, an image of the headdress is here: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg Guenièvre On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Regina Lawson reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. Thanks, all. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Regina, Have you seen Cynthia Virtue's articles on hats? http://www.virtue.to/articles/ I think it would be under the Complex Women's Hats section Kimiko On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Regina Lawson wrote: The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
