RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.

2005-04-30 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I just got around to searching for Paint.NET

I can't find it.

Can you post a URL?

Thanks
Kevin

--- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find that the most flexible license is one that
 doesn't exist - such
 as Public Domain.
 
 One of my favorite little programs is a Photoshop
 like replacement for
 Windows called Paint.NET.
 



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[Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)

2005-04-30 Thread chuck5566
JIC anyone didn't know, if you're looking for a open-source Photoshop 
alternative, check out:

http://www.gimp.org
Runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  Outside of Linux distros, one of the 
more awesome open-source efforts.


On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
I just got around to searching for Paint.NET
I can't find it.
Can you post a URL?
Thanks
Kevin
--- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find that the most flexible license is one that
doesn't exist - such
as Public Domain.
One of my favorite little programs is a Photoshop
like replacement for
Windows called Paint.NET.

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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread list repository
Web services allow different applications from different sources to communicate with each other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all communication is in XML, Web services are not tied to any one operating system or programming language. For example, 
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX applications. Web services do not require the use of browsers or HTML. It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record) in some shape or form through Web Services...
CCR:http://www.mass
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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Oh, I quite agree that this would be a worth project. In fact, I have been exploring a Java/MySQL implementation, but unfortunately, it has been temporarily sidetracked by my ever growing to do list.

I do not mean to sound like a broken record here, but I am much less sanguine about the possibilities of an interoperable MUMPS implementation precisely because of the not insignificant problems with the I/O model (and support level) that I mentioned yesterday. Unicode support is a must, proper socket support is a must, and yes, I think non-blocking I/O is a must, too. Ability to pass streams to consumer processes is a must (the current model of copying messages into globals be for further processing can occur is simply not enough).


Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:33 AM, list repository wrote:

Web services allow different applications from different sources to communicate with each 
other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all communication is in XML, Web 
services are not tied to any one operating system or programming language. For example, 
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX applications. Web services 
do not require the use of browsers or HTML. 

It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record) in some shape or form through Web Services... 

CCR:
http://www.mass med.org/Content/ContentGroups/SectionsTopics/PhysicianPractice ResourceCenter/PPRCInformationT echnology/Continuity_of_Care_Record_FAQs.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/casestudies/Ca seStudy.asp?CaseStudyID=14931

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[Hardhats-members] Need help setting up M2web

2005-04-30 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I'm having trouble setting up M2web.  I know nothing
about cgi, so bear with me please.

Jim sent me these instruction...

=
...
P.S. Could you post where I can get the code from,
and where the API is documented?


Basic documentation on the view2 query engine can be
found at
http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/notebook/index/26.html

If you have downloaded m2web recently then you already
have the source code. If not:
http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/notebook/index/48.html

The entry point for application programmers is
go^view2ht. We assume that local variables will be
defined to reflect the CGI environment, for instance
htUser is the number of the current logged in user and
the user's authorization code is in htUser(Auth). If
you are attempting to use the viewer from a non-web
context, look in ^htCGI1 to see what MUMPS variables
would be defined or look in ^view2ht and ^view2htS to
see which are actually used.
=

I also looked at the instructions in the
m2web-vsta-install.html file 

The above instructions, however, require Apache2 to be
installed.  I think I have just plain Apache.

I found these (apparently older) instructions:
http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/notebook/index/12.html
That seem target at plain Apache.
But these describe a different directory setup.

Also, I'm not clear about what linux users I need to
set up.  It looks in some of the instructions that
there is a vista user.  Other places I think I saw a
m2web user.  Are those required.

I know I'm being slow, but if someone could walk me
through this I'd appreciate it.

Thanks
Kevin





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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
How about using jengine - http://www.jengine.org/?
Currently under development, JEngine is an Open Source, 
standards-compliant, enterprise integration engine implemented in 
Java. The server framework, based on Java 2 Platform Enterprise 
Edition (J2EE), provides a robust standard for deploying a multi-tier 
enterprise integration engine. By utilizing the J2EE standard, a 
complete framework of standardized components, services, and 
interfaces will be developed while maintaining the promise of 
portability across operating systems.
I've been following its development for a while but I don't have the 
skill to go beyond this :) My interest is rekindled recently when 
thinking about deploying VistA in Malaysia and having to look at 
integration issues with other 3rd party applications as well.

Molly
list repository wrote:
Web services allow different applications from different sources to 
communicate with each
other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all 
communication is in XML, Web
services are not tied to any one operating system or programming 
language. For example,
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX 
applications. Web services
do not require the use of browsers or HTML.

It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record) 
in some shape or form through Web Services...

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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
That looks interesting. There isn't much documentation available at 
that site, but you could take a look at

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss
for more information on JBoss, the core of the product.
To tell you the truth, I don't quite understand how regulatory issues 
figure into the picture here, but the advantage of products like this 
is that they delegate construction and parsing of HL7 (for example) 
messages to a dedicated system and provide support for technologies 
such as EJB or CORBA as well. Typically, applications talk to a 
server using either JDBC (placing data to be converted into messages in 
a table) or using the Java Messaging Service (JMS). Unfortunately, 
neither of those options will help you much when it comes to MUMPS 
based applications unless, of course, someone goes to the trouble of 
providing native support for JMS or JDBC.


Gregory Woodhouse
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On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Dr Molly Cheah wrote:
How about using jengine - http://www.jengine.org/?

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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread Jim Self
I think you define web services too narrowly by confining them to a single 
document
format. It seems to me that that ignores most of the capabilities of web 
servers and of
their most ubiquitous and generally capable clients. I do see great potential 
value in
providing application oriented services on the web and in using XML as a 
document format
for that purpose.

CCR sounds like a great project and one that could be easily supported by M2Web 
once a
mapping of CCR tags and attributes to VistA data elements is defined. M2Web 
already
provides XML output of VistA data on demand, but that capability hasn't been 
exercised
very much yet - that I know of - because I and those I work with don't yet have 
a need or
convenient opportunity to connect to anything that would benefit from it.

A nameless entity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web services allow different applications from different sources to 
communicate with each 
other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all communication is 
in XML, Web 
services are not tied to any one operating system or programming language. 
For example, 
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX 
applications. Web services 
do not require the use of browsers or HTML. 

It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record) in some 
shape or form through Web Services...

CCR:
http://www.massmed.org/Content/ContentGroups/SectionsTopics/PhysicianPracticeResourceCenter/PPRCInformationTechnology/Continuity_of_Care_Record_FAQs.htm

---
Jim Self
Systems Architect, Lead Developer
VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis
(http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)


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RE: [Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)

2005-04-30 Thread David Sommers
The point wasn't the graphics application itself but the licensing
around the Paint.NET open source project.

I, personally, come from publishing so I keep my Photoshop up-to-date.
On my *nix boxes, I do use Gimp but I recommend Paint.NET to anyone with
Windows.  A ton easier to setup and use (no package manager for Windows,
didn't realize how many clicks it took to download and install).

Check out the comparison screenshots.  My 4-year old son uses Paint.NET
and it makes sense to him (although he prefers Tux Paint over that but
it's because of the colorful fill-in cartoon templates, eh - he's 4).

http://www.gimp.org/screenshots/

http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/screenshots.htm

Don't knock it till you try it.

/David.

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Subject: [Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)

JIC anyone didn't know, if you're looking for a open-source Photoshop 
alternative, check out:

 http://www.gimp.org

Runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  Outside of Linux distros, one of the 
more awesome open-source efforts.



On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:

 I just got around to searching for Paint.NET

 I can't find it.

 Can you post a URL?

 Thanks
 Kevin

 --- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find that the most flexible license is one that
 doesn't exist - such
 as Public Domain.

 One of my favorite little programs is a Photoshop
 like replacement for
 Windows called Paint.NET.

 


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RE: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread David Sommers
And a web service (from a platform POV) isn't simply serving up XML over
HTTP.

There are dozens and dozens of WS* standards to comply with in order to
interoperate properly across vendors.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/understanding/specs/default.aspx

[that link is actually a very good binder of pointers because MS links
out to W3 a lot once you click down a level - you can easily get lost in
the amount of information there]

For standards:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_cat.php?cat=ws
http://www.ws-i.org/

They key is that everyone agrees and the message transport isn't
important, it's the message itself.  HL7 is both a transport (LLP) and a
standardized message protocol (v2.x, RIM, etc).  [and there are many
layers in OSI, formats, etc - I'm simplifying].

/David.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim
Self
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:26 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

I think you define web services too narrowly by confining them to a
single document
format. It seems to me that that ignores most of the capabilities of web
servers and of
their most ubiquitous and generally capable clients. I do see great
potential value in
providing application oriented services on the web and in using XML as a
document format
for that purpose.

CCR sounds like a great project and one that could be easily supported
by M2Web once a
mapping of CCR tags and attributes to VistA data elements is defined.
M2Web already
provides XML output of VistA data on demand, but that capability hasn't
been exercised
very much yet - that I know of - because I and those I work with don't
yet have a need or
convenient opportunity to connect to anything that would benefit from
it.

A nameless entity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web services allow different applications from different sources to 
communicate with each 
other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all
communication is 
in XML, Web 
services are not tied to any one operating system or programming
language. 
For example, 
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX 
applications. Web services 
do not require the use of browsers or HTML. 

It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record) in
some 
shape or form through Web Services...

CCR:
http://www.massmed.org/Content/ContentGroups/SectionsTopics/PhysicianPr
acticeResourceCenter/PPRCInformationTechnology/Continuity_of_Care_Record
_FAQs.htm

---
Jim Self
Systems Architect, Lead Developer
VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis
(http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)


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Re: [Hardhats-members] WebServices future development???

2005-04-30 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
I've never worked with M2Web, so maybe I'm mistaken here, but I thought  
its primary function was to generate XML documents from Fileman and  
make it available via HTTP (not a small accomplishment). Am I mistaken?  
Implementing CCR would also require the reverse: receiving XML  
documents and save the parsed data as Fileman records. I've done this  
in various special cases, but have not yet tackled the general case.  
For HL7 messages, my approach is to create a FSM to drive the parsing  
process and build an FDA array from the document.


Gregory Woodhouse
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On Apr 30, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Jim Self wrote:
I think you define web services too narrowly by confining them to a  
single document
format. It seems to me that that ignores most of the capabilities of  
web servers and of
their most ubiquitous and generally capable clients. I do see great  
potential value in
providing application oriented services on the web and in using XML as  
a document format
for that purpose.

CCR sounds like a great project and one that could be easily supported  
by M2Web once a
mapping of CCR tags and attributes to VistA data elements is defined.  
M2Web already
provides XML output of VistA data on demand, but that capability  
hasn't been exercised
very much yet - that I know of - because I and those I work with don't  
yet have a need or
convenient opportunity to connect to anything that would benefit from  
it.

A nameless entity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web services allow different applications from different sources to
communicate with each
other without time-consuming custom coding, and because all  
communication is
in XML, Web
services are not tied to any one operating system or programming  
language.
For example,
Java can talk with Perl, Windows applications can talk with UNIX
applications. Web services
do not require the use of browsers or HTML.

It would be great if VistA supported CCR (Continuity of Care Record)  
in some
shape or form through Web Services...

CCR:
http://www.massmed.org/Content/ContentGroups/SectionsTopics/ 
PhysicianPracticeResourceCenter/PPRCInformationTechnology/ 
Continuity_of_Care_Record_FAQs.htm
---
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Systems Architect, Lead Developer
VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis
(http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)

2005-04-30 Thread Bhaskar, KS
The OpenVistA VivA FOIA Gold live DVDs include gimp.  I don't remember about 
OpenVistA VivA 0.4 live CD.

-- Bhaskar

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Subject:[Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)
JIC anyone didn't know, if you're looking for a open-source Photoshop 
alternative, check out:

 http://www.gimp.org

Runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  Outside of Linux distros, one of the 
more awesome open-source efforts.
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA licensing.)

2005-04-30 Thread Jason Tan Boon Teck
The OpenVistA Viva 0.4 comes with The Gimp v1.3, but I've not been
able to successfully initialised the startup on 2 different machines
(it app hangs).

L8R

jason

On 5/1/05, Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The OpenVistA VivA FOIA Gold live DVDs include gimp.  I don't remember about 
 OpenVistA VivA 0.4 live CD.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
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 Subject:[Hardhats-members] Open-source Graphics ( was VistA 
 licensing.)
 JIC anyone didn't know, if you're looking for a open-source Photoshop
 alternative, check out:
 
  http://www.gimp.org
 
 Runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  Outside of Linux distros, one of the
 more awesome open-source efforts.
 



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