[Hardhats-members] NOIS Contacts problem
Found problem with NOIS too.. On clicking "Contacts", the following message pops up ---NOIS---Error encountered.Function was: M ERROR=AFFIL+12^FSCRPCOC, Global variable undefined: ^VA(200,150372994,-%GTM-E-GVUNDEF LAST REF=^VA(200,4249,0)Error was: M Error - Use ^XTER.---OK --- Have I missed some user details? Usha
[Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa
THIS IS NOT A DRILL ! :-) The community health center here in Council Bluffs Iowa will implement an EHR for our clinic. Grandpa Zimmer was yesterday given responsibility for the choice of system and its success. My executive director assures me of funding to do the job right. I hope to see a reference implementation in our small clinic THIS YEAR. Many of the members of this list already know of my own many talents and my TNTC shortcomings. So you know what I mean when I ask for help. And when I'm told It's your call, John. you know my choice for an EHR. So where do I start? jlz The practice: 2 1/2 Family Physicians, Part Time Nurse Practitioner. http://www.ianepca.com/home/CouncilBluffsCommunityHealthCenters.php Member of Iowa/Nebraska Primary Care Association http://www.ianepca.com/chc_101/chc_101.php --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa
With VistA-Office when it comes out in August. On Thursday 09 June 2005 07:26 am, JohnLeo Zimmer wrote: THIS IS NOT A DRILL ! :-) The community health center here in Council Bluffs Iowa will implement an EHR for our clinic. Grandpa Zimmer was yesterday given responsibility for the choice of system and its success. My executive director assures me of funding to do the job right. I hope to see a reference implementation in our small clinic THIS YEAR. Many of the members of this list already know of my own many talents and my TNTC shortcomings. So you know what I mean when I ask for help. And when I'm told It's your call, John. you know my choice for an EHR. So where do I start? jlz The practice: 2 1/2 Family Physicians, Part Time Nurse Practitioner. http://www.ianepca.com/home/CouncilBluffsCommunityHealthCenters.php Member of Iowa/Nebraska Primary Care Association http://www.ianepca.com/chc_101/chc_101.php --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa
Zimmer, A couple of thoughts come to mind: 1. Are you planning to have separate billing software and EHR? 2. Are you wanting to have the peds and OB functionality that is supposed to be coming with VistA office? 3. Will you be planning a lab interface to office equipment? 4. Are you wanting to do this yourself, or would you want to purchase an install? 5. Is your server going to be a linux box, or windows with Cache'? Good luck Kevin JohnLeo Zimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THIS IS NOT A DRILL !:-)The community health center here in Council Bluffs Iowa implement an EHR for our clinic. Grandpa Zimmer was yesterday givenresponsibility for the choice of system and its success. My executivedirector assures me of funding to do the job right. I hope to see areference implementation in our small clinic THIS YEAR.Many of the members of this list already know of my own many talents andmy TNTC shortcomings. So you know what I mean when I ask for help. Andwhen I'm told "It's your call, John." you know my choice for an EHR.So where do I start?jlzThe practice:2 1/2 Family Physicians, Part Time Nurse Practitioner.http://www.ianepca.com/home/CouncilBluffsCommunityHealthCenters.phpMember of Iowa/Nebraska Primary Care Associationhttp://www.ianepca.com/chc_101/chc_101.php---This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotputa projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track?If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20___Hardhats-members mailing listHardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
Re: [Hardhats-members] In the Beginning ---
Ruben, I don't know if you got an answer to your post or not. But welcome to VistA. Have you had any luck getting up and running? Kevin Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good Morning construction workers of the world. I've finally gotten myschedule cleared enough for ViSTA and I'm very interested in helping thedevelopment of the Pharmacy modules and such. But I need to know whereto begin. If I download the sources from Sourceforge, will I be able tojust untar them and get a development system of Vista running?Ruben---This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotputa projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track?If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20___Hardhats-members mailing listHardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Hardhats-members] The VA Online CPRS Demo is working again
I'm not suggesting that image quality be sacrificed, only that scroll bars or some other mechanism be provided so that it is possible to use the application at 800x600. ===Gregory Woodhouse[EMAIL PROTECTED]"And the end of all our exploringwill be to arrive where we startedAnd know the place for the first time" -- T.S. Eliot On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:49 AM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:We have had the same issue in my office. Many in my staff wants me to lower the resolution to 800x600 because they feel the letters are too small in 1024x768. Then at the lower resolution, the letter edges are rough and it drives me crazy. But they like it apparently. Go figure... KevinGregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think the single point on which I get the most pushback (for the Visual SAC) is that user interfaces need to be usable (e.g., by providing scrollbars) on an 800x600 display. UI designers don't want to hear it, insisting that providers have bigger screens and that they want to use them. There is one application that always forces me to set my resolution at 1024x7068 (because otherwise windows are clipped and there are components to which I have no access). It drives me crazy!
Re: [Hardhats-members] Using Mail client
Of course, some of the considerations are not necessarily valid any more. On most contemporary UNIX/Linux implementations, which are not CPU constrained and on which forking processes is cheap, a better philosphy is simply to launch a process to complete each unit of background work as and when that work needs to get done. And with a zero unit license price, one does not need to worry about license costs. The only reason to constrain the number of concurrent processes is if the background work is lumpy rather than just naturally random with some reasonable distribution. Then, rather like traffic lights on freeway on-ramps at commute time, it does make sense to limit the number of Taskman threads / concurrent processes. -- Bhaskar Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I think most people are surprised at how much in VistA depends on Taskman. Without it, there is simply no background processing of any kind. That doesn't just mean no scheduled options (like cron jobs), but no network interfaces and, well, you get the idea. There is a JOB command in MUMPS, but applications are not allowed to use it. There are various reasons for this, perhaps the biggest of which is that VistA uses a thread pooling strategy to keep the number of concurrent tasks under control, reducing license costs and improving performance. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Better. Faster. Cheaper. Pick two. On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Usha wrote: I forgot to start TASKMAN. Now the users can send and receive the messages from the GuiMail. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
When I speak of the complexities of the infrastructure I am speaking of the MPI, the updating of data across sites, etc. Initializing all patients with ICN's etc. Actually, I think that particular infrastructure could be simplified, and probably should be simplified, if one wanted to implement remote data viewing capability outside of VHA. When you think about it, you really only need a list of sites a patient has been registered at, and a good identifying scheme, to assemble a patient's record from multiple sites. But actually, the model I prefer is a centralized repository or repositories. The problem with apps like Remote Data Views and VistaWeb is, the physician has to hunt an peck for data. Physicians are expected to do 20-minute appointments, write their computerized notes and orders, and maintain 2000-patient panels. Many Docs simply do not have the time to look through this remote data. Other issues are, you cannot run research-type queries across sites, to identify cohorts of patients meeting certain research criteria. Data is not standardized. Your lab test name, or lab test panel, may be different from mine. With a data repository: reminders, alerts, etc can be run against a standardized database, and and data from many sites can be viewed via a common interface. A Doctor can even be paged automatically, if a patient's test data is outside normal ranges. Or for any other reason, specified. But apps like RDV's and VistaWeb certainly fill a niche, for some Docs who have smaller panels or, who take the extra time, for now. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Self Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:55 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Richard Sowinski wrote: The reason I have asked people on this list if they have VistaWeb up and running, is because I suspect they underestimate the infrastructure required under the hood, to make it, or RDV run. I also suspect, some have misconstrued what VistaWeb is. I think some of them think it is a Web-based front-end to Vista, instead of a remote view-only application, used to view patient data at other sites. I haven't tried to get VistaWeb running because of a lack of free time for playing with things dependent on M$ proprietary technology, but I have thought that the source files in VistaWeb might be helpful in defining some aspects of what a Web-based front-end to VistA should include. From reviewing the VistaWeb documentation a while back, it seemed to me that it would be quite easy using M2Web to improve upon the views of VistA data provided by VistaWeb if someone could take a little time just to specify what views are needed and what data fields should be included. I had the same impression from a health-e-vet demo earlier, but I haven't had the free time to pursue either very much so far. I have a good understanding of the underlying technology (MUMPS, Fileman, Web, etc.) but not of the VistA EMR, so someone with that knowledge and/or the time to gather it could help greatly to move such a project along. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa
Whatever you distribute to Grandpa Zimmer, I would greatly appreciate a CC. :) Selina Selina Pankovich Ingenium Data Technics, Inc. (406)533-6706 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnLeo Zimmer Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:27 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa THIS IS NOT A DRILL ! :-) The community health center here in Council Bluffs Iowa will implement an EHR for our clinic. Grandpa Zimmer was yesterday given responsibility for the choice of system and its success. My executive director assures me of funding to do the job right. I hope to see a reference implementation in our small clinic THIS YEAR. Many of the members of this list already know of my own many talents and my TNTC shortcomings. So you know what I mean when I ask for help. And when I'm told It's your call, John. you know my choice for an EHR. So where do I start? jlz The practice: 2 1/2 Family Physicians, Part Time Nurse Practitioner. http://www.ianepca.com/home/CouncilBluffsCommunityHealthCenters.php Member of Iowa/Nebraska Primary Care Association http://www.ianepca.com/chc_101/chc_101.php --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Using Mail client
Still process creation isn't free. Certainly, we're better off than when fork() was a simple clone (almost), and it was necessary to use vfork(). Even so, thread pooling is not without advantages. Why do people use mod_perl (or, at one time, ISAPI and NSAPI) instead of CGI to process HTTP requests. The reason, of course, is to save the startup cost. That being said, I think you're right that process creation under modern Unix systems is much cheaper, memory is more abundant, and so on, so many of the roles played by Taskman can now be played by the real kernel (i.e., the OS kernel). --- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, some of the considerations are not necessarily valid any more. On most contemporary UNIX/Linux implementations, which are not CPU constrained and on which forking processes is cheap, a better philosphy is simply to launch a process to complete each unit of background work as and when that work needs to get done. And with a zero unit license price, one does not need to worry about license costs. The only reason to constrain the number of concurrent processes is if the background work is lumpy rather than just naturally random with some reasonable distribution. Then, rather like traffic lights on freeway on-ramps at commute time, it does make sense to limit the number of Taskman threads / concurrent processes. -- Bhaskar Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I think most people are surprised at how much in VistA depends on Taskman. Without it, there is simply no background processing of any kind. That doesn't just mean no scheduled options (like cron jobs), but no network interfaces and, well, you get the idea. There is a JOB command in MUMPS, but applications are not allowed to use it. There are various reasons for this, perhaps the biggest of which is that VistA uses a thread pooling strategy to keep the number of concurrent tasks under control, reducing license costs and improving performance. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Better. Faster. Cheaper. Pick two. On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Usha wrote: I forgot to start TASKMAN. Now the users can send and receive the messages from the GuiMail. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Finding Caché Documentation
Here are some useful tips on finding and using Caché documentation. The Cache documentation is included in the install. The DocBook-based Caché 5.0 documentation is extendible- you can add your own documentation and it becomes a part of the entire set, which is searchable. If you run the SQL feature that is being prepared as a VistA patch (email me if you want it right now), youll see the FileMan file definition field descriptions, comments, etc. incorporated into the searchable, browser-based documentation. You can view Caché 4.1 and 5.0 documentation online and/or you download it. Take your pick at http://www.intersystems.com/cache/downloads/documentation/cache5docs/index.html I also have a document that explains how to optimize printing for the Acrobat documents. This is especially useful if youre going to have a print shop like Kinkos print and bind them for you. Please email me if you would like a copy of this document. The Caché 4.1 documentation is not as elegant as the 5.0 documentation. However, the Caché 5.0 SQL Manager is backward-compatible to 4.1, so you can use the 5.0 documentation to learn about certain 4.1 activities, such as running SQL queries server-side. If you want to run queries from an ODBC client, it works just like any RDBMS you may be more familiar with I can send you a paper on connecting Access to Caché via ODBC. You can do other things as well such as generating Word Documents, Acrobat files, etc. Just let me know what you are interested in and Ill send you a document to guide you. Thanks, Renee Cannon InterSystems Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
- Forwarded by Steve Nohlgren/News/Sptimes on 06/09/2005 01:43 PM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2005 10:18 AM Please respond to hardhats-members To:hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net cc: Subject:RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Mr. Sowinski's comments about the value of a central data repository or repositories speaks to an issue we are wondering about at the St. Petersburg Times--whether or not HealtheVet plans inject some unnecessary complexities while upgrading VistA. As I understand it, the national HDR will be an Oracle database that will merge clinical data real time and avoid this hunting and pecking for remote info. It will also to allow for report writing and queries to get a better handle on trends. Kaiser Permanente is splitting those two functions in their Epic System. The clinical data is stored in a Cache warehouse so everything pops up automatically no matter where the patient goes for treatment, but that data also become input to an Oracle warehouse for report writing and analysis. As I understand it, they figured that keeping both functions in a relational database would require more CPU and slow down the clinical side. Would such a divided s ystem make more sense for the VA's centralized database. If anyone feels like responding to me directly, you can use your home e-mail. Thanks, Steve Nohlgren When I speak of the complexities of the infrastructure I am speaking of the MPI, the updating of data across sites, etc. Initializing all patients with ICN's etc. Actually, I think that particular infrastructure could be simplified, and probably should be simplified, if one wanted to implement remote data viewing capability outside of VHA. When you think about it, you really only need a list of sites a patient has been registered at, and a good identifying scheme, to assemble a patient's record from multiple sites. But actually, the model I prefer is a centralized repository or repositories. The problem with apps like Remote Data Views and VistaWeb is, the physician has to hunt an peck for data. Physicians are expected to do 20-minute appointments, write their computerized notes and orders, and maintain 2000-patient panels. Many Docs simply do not have the time to look through this remote data. Other issues are, you cannot run research-type queries across sites, to identify cohorts of patients meeting certain research criteria. Data is not standardized. Your lab test name, or lab test panel, may be different from mine. With a data repository: reminders, alerts, etc can be run against a standardized database, and and data from many sites can be viewed via a common interface. A Doctor can even be paged automatically, if a patient's test data is outside normal ranges. Or for any other reason, specified. But apps like RDV's and VistaWeb certainly fill a niche, for some Docs who have smaller panels or, who take the extra time, for now. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Self Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:55 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Richard Sowinski wrote: The reason I have asked people on this list if they have VistaWeb up and running, is because I suspect they underestimate the infrastructure required under the hood, to make it, or RDV run. I also suspect, some have misconstrued what VistaWeb is. I think some of them think it is a Web-based front-end to Vista, instead of a remote view-only application, used to view patient data at other sites. I haven't tried to get VistaWeb running because of a lack of free time for playing with things dependent on M$ proprietary technology, but I have thought that the source files in VistaWeb might be helpful in defining some aspects of what a Web-based front-end to VistA should include. >From reviewing the VistaWeb documentation a while back, it seemed to me that it would be quite easy using M2Web to improve upon the views of VistA data provided by VistaWeb if someone could take a little time just to specify what views are needed and what data fields should be included. I had the same impression from a health-e-vet demo earlier, but I haven't had the free time to pursue either very much so far. I have a good understanding of the underlying technology (MUMPS, Fileman, Web, etc.) but not of the VistA EMR, so someone with that knowledge and/or the time to gather it could help greatly to move such a project along. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize,
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about "hunt and peck" analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the "complexities" underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could "talk tech" here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gillon, JosephSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PMTo: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == First, I should mention that if you are a VA employee be careful what you say to this guy. He's a biased, sensationalist reporter looking to make copy and not, IMHO, particulary interested in veracity. More interested in uncovering another CoreFLS than anything else. On to Rich. And hi BTW, been a while. Thinking just of implementing VW or RDV outside the VA, you hit on one extremely important item, namely standardization of data. I disagree with the "hunt and peck" label you're sticking VW with since it shows all the data, collated, in seconds. However, due to the non-standard note titles and stuff of that ilk, when you sort the titles you don't necessarily get, say, all the cariology notes, in one place. Were I starting a new multi-site VistA system I would really, really, really give some time and effort to implementing standard note/report titles, lab panel titles, team names, etc. All this stuff is a totally squirrelly mess in the VA after years of each site doing whatever it pleased. And I think Rich hits another nail on the head with the MPI thing. If you are going to have distributed databases you definitely need something central to figure out what sites to query. Well, maybe if you only had half a dozen sites... Still. Rich, I know that VistA kicks out an HL7 message on inpatient events (admit, discharge, transfer). Does it do anything on outpatient visits? If it did you could just set up an HL7 listener to catch these messages and put the relevant data into an SQL database. Then, since VW can talk to SQL databases as well as VistA databases, you could just replace the MPI RPC with a select statement. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:45 PMTo: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == - Forwarded by Steve Nohlgren/News/Sptimes on 06/09/2005 01:43 PM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2005 10:18 AM Please respond to hardhats-members To:hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net cc: Subject:RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Mr. Sowinski's comments about the value of a central data repository or repositories speaks to an issue we are wondering about at the St. Petersburg Times--whether or not HealtheVet plans inject some unnecessary complexities while upgrading VistA. As I understand it, the national HDR will be an Oracle database that will merge clinical data real time and avoid this hunting and pecking for remote info. It will also to allow for report writing and queries to get a better handle on trends. Kaiser Permanente is splitting those two functions in their Epic System. The clinical data
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
Thats an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc whos now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and thats Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. Im saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I dont know exactly how From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could talk tech here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == First, I should mention that if you are a VA employee be careful what you say to this guy. He's a biased, sensationalist reporter looking to make copy and not, IMHO, particulary interested in veracity. More interested in uncovering another CoreFLS than anything else. On to Rich. And hi BTW, been a while. Thinking just of implementing VW or RDV outside the VA, you hit on one extremely important item, namely standardization of data. I disagree with the hunt and peck label you're sticking VW with since it shows all the data, collated, in seconds. However, due to the non-standard note titles and stuff of that ilk, when you sort the titles you don't necessarily get, say, all the cariology notes, in one place. Were I starting a new multi-site VistA system I would really, really, really give some time and effort to implementing standard note/report titles, lab panel titles, team names, etc. All this stuff is a totally squirrelly mess in the VA after years of each site doing whatever it pleased. And I think Rich hits another nail on the head with the MPI thing. If you are going to have distributed databases you definitely need something central to figure out what sites to query. Well, maybe if you only had half a dozen sites... Still. Rich, I know that VistA kicks out an HL7 message on inpatient events (admit, discharge, transfer). Does it do anything on outpatient visits? If it did you could just set up an HL7 listener to catch these messages and put the relevant data into an SQL database. Then, since VW can talk to SQL databases as well as VistA databases, you could just replace the MPI RPC with a select statement. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09,
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
Bhaskar. Before killing a tree on 4.4... is there an expectation of releasing 5.0 documentation integrating the supplemental documentation? Cheers, --ldl On 6/8/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GT.M V5.0-000 was released with six technical bulletins, as itemized below. They were made available at the GT.M project page at Source Forge (http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=11026 or go to http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm and click on Docs) as well as at the new GT.M documentation page (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/user_doc.htm). The technical bulletins have hyperlinks between them, static, relative links based on the file names. It appears that Source Forge renames files (actually assigns them numbers) and therefore all inter-document hyperlinks are broken there. Furthermore, it is not really possible to have linked documents since the new name of a document's file is not known until after it is uploaded. So, these hyperlinks between technical bulletins don't work at Source Forge and cannot be made to work. However, they do work at the GT.M documentation page. So, do please use the GT.M documentation page, and as a bonus, the GT.M user manuals are also there and usable. Note that all technical bulletins are available at Source Forge, but you will have to get to them from the Docs page - you can't follow links from one document to another. Also, user manuals are also available there, but must be downloaded to your computer. The technical bulletins are: GT.M V5.0-000 Release Notes (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_V5.0-000_Release_Notes.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28785group_id=11026) GTM Database Migration (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Database_Migration.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28790group_id=11026) GTM Long Names (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Long_Names.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28786group_id=11026) GTM Null Subscripts (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Null_Subscripts.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28787group_id=11026) GTM Update Helper Processes (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Update_Helper_Processes.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28788group_id=11026) GTM V5.0-000 Supplementary Information (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_V5.0-000_Supplementary_Information.html and http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=28789group_id=11026) Please allow me to emphasize that a database upgrade is required to migrate a database from V4 to V5. It's simple and painless, and most of the work can be done while applications run normally. But you need to upgrade the database, and you need to read the GT.M Database Migration technical bulletin to understand how. Regards -- Bhaskar --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- LD Landis - N0YRQ - from the St Paul side of Minneapolis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
Not in the near future, so I regret that said tree must die for V4.4. Regards -- Bhaskar LD Gus Landis wrote: Bhaskar. Before killing a tree on 4.4... is there an expectation of releasing 5.0 documentation integrating the supplemental documentation? Cheers, --ldl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
Bhaskar, So a complete set is: GTM_UNIX-Prog-Manual-4.4 GT.M V5.0-000 Release Notes GTM Database Migration GTM Long Names GTM Null Subscripts GTM Update Helper Processes GTM V5.0-000 Supplementary Information Cheers, --ldl On 6/9/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in the near future, so I regret that said tree must die for V4.4. Regards -- Bhaskar LD Gus Landis wrote: Bhaskar. Before killing a tree on 4.4... is there an expectation of releasing 5.0 documentation integrating the supplemental documentation? Cheers, --ldl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- LD Landis - N0YRQ - from the St Paul side of Minneapolis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
Regarding the nonstandard note titles and the difficulties that poses there have actually been some significant peer-reviewed journal articles by some VA folks on that very issue. In fact, standardization of note titles is one of the things currently in the queue to be accomplished in VistA (Im not sure but I believe its also part of the CPRS-R work coming out very soon). A fair amount of automated matching to standard titles will be performed (no doubt with some manual intervention and checking). Once in place, new note titles would be quickly built up from a compound set of expressions from the Enterprise Reference Terminology which would cover virtually all of the useful note titles (excepting the odd and uninformative ones such as Dr Soandsos notes). That means that both old and new titles can be sorted and searched in computationally meaningful ways for quick and easy use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Thats an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc whos now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and thats Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. Im saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I dont know exactly how From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could talk tech here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == First, I should mention that if you are a VA employee be careful what you say to this guy. He's a biased, sensationalist reporter looking to make copy and not, IMHO, particulary interested in veracity. More interested in uncovering another CoreFLS than anything else. On to Rich. And hi BTW, been a while. Thinking just of implementing VW or RDV outside the VA, you hit on one extremely important item, namely standardization of data. I disagree with the hunt and peck label you're sticking VW with since it shows all the data, collated, in seconds. However, due to the non-standard note titles and stuff of that
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
Current documentation includes Administration and Operations Guide (a collection of PDF files) Messages and Recovery Procedures Go to http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/user_doc.htm and you'll find the above documentation. You will also need the following GT.M MUPIP SET JOURNAL (http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=11357group_id=11026) You may also find the following useful GT.M Job Examine / System Status How To (http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=19563group_id=11026) GT.M Environment Translation Enhancement - Functional Specification (GT.M Environment Translation Enhancement - Functional Specification) GT.M Security (http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2125group_id=11026) Regards -- Bhaskar LD Gus Landis wrote: Bhaskar, So a complete set is: GTM_UNIX-Prog-Manual-4.4 GT.M V5.0-000 Release Notes GTM Database Migration GTM Long Names GTM Null Subscripts GTM Update Helper Processes GTM V5.0-000 Supplementary Information Cheers, --ldl On 6/9/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in the near future, so I regret that said tree must die for V4.4. Regards -- Bhaskar LD Gus Landis wrote: Bhaskar. Before killing a tree on 4.4... is there an expectation of releasing 5.0 documentation integrating the supplemental documentation? Cheers, --ldl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] i can`t create a profiles because i don'y know how
as I can create different profiles I speak of doctors, nurses, people of faramciam, laboratories of cirugia, please tell me that file I must read for being able to enter it and to create the necessary profiles, and I have patients many, also I have clinicas and hospitals but I do not have doctors nor specialties can help me please _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
What is GTM Null Subscripts? --- LD \Gus\ Landis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhaskar, So a complete set is: GTM_UNIX-Prog-Manual-4.4 GT.M V5.0-000 Release Notes GTM Database Migration GTM Long Names GTM Null Subscripts GTM Update Helper Processes GTM V5.0-000 Supplementary Information Cheers, --ldl On 6/9/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in the near future, so I regret that said tree must die for V4.4. Regards -- Bhaskar LD Gus Landis wrote: Bhaskar. Before killing a tree on 4.4... is there an expectation of releasing 5.0 documentation integrating the supplemental documentation? Cheers, --ldl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- LD Landis - N0YRQ - from the St Paul side of Minneapolis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
That was the original expectation. That had to change a bit due to demand and practical considerations. -Original Message- From: Greg Woodhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Isn't that just rehosting from Delphi to Java (with no re-engineering work)? -Original Message- From: Cameron Schlehuber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:53 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Regarding the nonstandard note titles and the difficulties that poses there have actually been some significant peer-reviewed journal articles by some VA folks on that very issue. In fact, standardization of note titles is one of the things currently in the queue to be accomplished in VistA (Im not sure but I believe its also part of the CPRS-R work coming out very soon). A fair amount of automated matching to standard titles will be performed (no doubt with some manual intervention and checking). Once in place, new note titles would be quickly built up from a compound set of expressions from the Enterprise Reference Terminology which would cover virtually all of the useful note titles (excepting the odd and uninformative ones such as Dr Soandsos notes). That means that both old and new titles can be sorted and searched in computationally meaningful ways for quick and easy use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Thats an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc whos now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and thats Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. Im saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I dont know exactly how From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could talk tech here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == First,
RE: [Hardhats-members] NOIS Contacts problem
Nois USER DEFAULTS file contains the set up information for each of the
specialists who would be working the NOIS messages.
The loop where the error occurred was
looking for Group Affiliations and this is the NOIS WORK GROUP file ^FSC("PACKG",
I use the following work groups
CLINICAL APPLICATIONS
FINANCIAL - ADMINISTRATIVE
HARDWARE
INFRASTRUCTURE
PATIENT ADMINISTRATION
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Usha
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005
11:04 PM
To:
hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Hardhats-members] NOIS
Contacts problem
Found problem with NOIS too..
On clicking Contacts, the following message pops
up
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NOIS
---
Error encountered.
Function was: M ERROR=AFFIL+12^FSCRPCOC, Global variable undefined:
^VA(200,150372994,-%GTM-E-GVUNDEF
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Usha
Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
So...without this option, the following wouldn't be an error?? BAYS ^TMP($J,)= S ^TMP($J,)= ^ SUBSCRIPT BAY (Yes, I know, this is Cache.) --- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg -- GT.M traditionally collated null subscripts between numerics and strings, instead of the M standard way, before numerics. GT.M V5.0-000 has an option to create a database that conforms to the M standard or which does things the traditional GT.M way. Also with V5.0-000 comes an option to allow existing nodes with null subscripts in a database, but to prevent the creation of any new nodes with null subscripts. These are described in the GT.M Null Subscripts technical bulletin (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Null_Subscripts.html). -- Bhaskar Greg Woodhouse wrote: What is GTM Null Subscripts? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
Yep. One of the many, very valid reasons the VA is replacing VistA, and one not mentioned, I believe, in the St. Pete Times article. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:53 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Regarding the nonstandard note titles and the difficulties that poses ... there have actually been some significant peer-reviewed journal articles by some VA folks on that very issue. In fact, standardization of note titles is one of the things currently in the queue to be accomplished in VistA (I'm not sure but I believe it's also part of the CPRS-R work coming out very soon). A fair amount of automated matching to standard titles will be performed (no doubt with some manual intervention and checking). Once in place, new note titles would be quickly built up from a compound set of expressions from the Enterprise Reference Terminology which would cover virtually all of the useful note titles (excepting the odd and uninformative ones such as "Dr Soandso's notes"). That means that both old and new titles can be sorted and searched in computationally meaningful ways for quick and easy use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == That's an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc who's now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and that's Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. I'm saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I don't know exactly how... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could talk tech here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == First, I should mention that if you are a VA employee be careful what you say to this guy. He's a biased, sensationalist reporter looking to make copy and not, IMHO, particulary interested in veracity. More interested in
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
Oh!? That is a data/terminology standardization issue and not particularly relevant to replacing Vista. This can be an issue in any system implemented in multiple sites. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:24 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Yep. One of the many, very valid reasons the VA is replacing VistA, and one not mentioned, I believe, in the St. Pete Times article. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:53 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Regarding the nonstandard note titles and the difficulties that poses ... there have actually been some significant peer-reviewed journal articles by some VA folks on that very issue. In fact, standardization of note titles is one of the things currently in the queue to be accomplished in VistA (I'm not sure but I believe it's also part of the CPRS-R work coming out very soon). A fair amount of automated matching to standard titles will be performed (no doubt with some manual intervention and checking). Once in place, new note titles would be quickly built up from a compound set of expressions from the Enterprise Reference Terminology which would cover virtually all of the useful note titles (excepting the odd and uninformative ones such as Dr Soandso's notes). That means that both old and new titles can be sorted and searched in computationally meaningful ways for quick and easy use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == That's an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc who's now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and that's Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. I'm saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I don't know exactly how... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially considering who is listening. I have all the respect in the world for the St Peterburg Times and their affiliation with the Poynter Institute, one of the most respected journalism schools in the country, but I wish we could talk tech here without worrying about being monitored or quoted. After all, that'sreally whatthis forum is for. - Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Re: [Hardhats-members] Using Mail client
The idea that processes are cheap and no longer artificially constrained by licensing issues was one of the more wonderful revelations that came to us with our switch to Linux and GT.M. Thanks again, Baskar. Bhaskar wrote: Of course, some of the considerations are not necessarily valid any more. On most contemporary UNIX/Linux implementations, which are not CPU constrained and on which forking processes is cheap, a better philosphy is simply to launch a process to complete each unit of background work as and when that work needs to get done. And with a zero unit license price, one does not need to worry about license costs. The only reason to constrain the number of concurrent processes is if the background work is lumpy rather than just naturally random with some reasonable distribution. Then, rather like traffic lights on freeway on-ramps at commute time, it does make sense to limit the number of Taskman threads / concurrent processes. -- Bhaskar Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I think most people are surprised at how much in VistA depends on Taskman. Without it, there is simply no background processing of any kind. That doesn't just mean no scheduled options (like cron jobs), but no network interfaces and, well, you get the idea. There is a JOB command in MUMPS, but applications are not allowed to use it. There are various reasons for this, perhaps the biggest of which is that VistA uses a thread pooling strategy to keep the number of concurrent tasks under control, reducing license costs and improving performance. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Better. Faster. Cheaper. Pick two. On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Usha wrote: I forgot to start TASKMAN. Now the users can send and receive the messages from the GuiMail. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] i can`t create a profiles because i don'y know how
http://www.va.gov/vdl/Clinical.asp?appID=58 Try here, the clinical coordinators manual might help some. On Thursday 09 June 2005 06:22 pm, Carlos sosa sosa wrote: as I can create different profiles I speak of doctors, nurses, people of faramciam, laboratories of cirugia, please tell me that file I must read for being able to enter it and to create the necessary profiles, and I have patients many, also I have clinicas and hospitals but I do not have doctors nor specialties can help me please _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge
Greg -- GT.M actually has three options with respect to null subscripts: - prohibit null subscripts - error to read as well as set - permit null subscripts - OK to read as well as set - permit existing - OK to read, error to set Orthogonal to the above are two options for collating null subscripts: - between numerics and strings (traditional GT.M method) - before numerics (M standard method) -- Bhaskar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 7:27 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject:Re: [Hardhats-members] Accessing GT.M documentation at Source Forge So...without this option, the following wouldn't be an error?? BAYS ^TMP($J,)= S ^TMP($J,)= ^ SUBSCRIPT BAY (Yes, I know, this is Cache.) --- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg -- GT.M traditionally collated null subscripts between numerics and strings, instead of the M standard way, before numerics. GT.M V5.0-000 has an option to create a database that conforms to the M standard or which does things the traditional GT.M way. Also with V5.0-000 comes an option to allow existing nodes with null subscripts in a database, but to prevent the creation of any new nodes with null subscripts. These are described in the GT.M Null Subscripts technical bulletin (http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/targets/GTM_Null_Subscripts.html). -- Bhaskar Greg Woodhouse wrote: What is GTM Null Subscripts? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members winmail.dat
Re: [Hardhats-members] New vistas in Iowa
Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Zimmer, A couple of thoughts come to mind: 1. Are you planning to have separate billing software and EHR? [jlz] I plan to implement the EHR (Problem List, ICD, pharmacy, Vitals, in VistA while the legacy business system does registration, and billing and passes demographics into VistA. I'd expect to replace Healthpro with an open source solution ASAP. But I don't want to tie the two too tightly together until both sides are proven to work. 2. Are you wanting to have the peds and OB functionality that is supposed to be coming with VistA office? [Yes.] 3. Will you be planning a lab interface to office equipment? [Yes.] 4. Are you wanting to do this yourself, or would you want to purchase an install? [Purchase. In my current job I am the physician champion for health information technology (a good one, I hope to say). I know I am NOT a businesman, nor accountant, nor software/hardware engineer, nor janitor.] 5. Is your server going to be a linux box, or windows with Cache'? [I'm strongly biased toward an open source approach to healthcare. I want to work toward standards independent of any single vendor.] I like these questions, Kevin. regards, jlz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
And I doubt the underlying technology in the current VistA is restricting the ability to make this happen now. It just happens to occur where the VA is doing new work (unless its being back-ported to VistA). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Moreshead Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:50 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Oh!? That is a data/terminology standardization issue and not particularly relevant to replacing Vista. This can be an issue in any system implemented in multiple sites. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:24 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Yep. One of the many, very valid reasons the VA is replacing VistA, and one not mentioned, I believe, in the St. Pete Times article. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:53 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Regarding the nonstandard note titles and the difficulties that poses ... there have actually been some significant peer-reviewed journal articles by some VA folks on that very issue. In fact, standardization of note titles is one of the things currently in the queue to be accomplished in VistA (I'm not sure but I believe it's also part of the CPRS-R work coming out very soon). A fair amount of automated matching to standard titles will be performed (no doubt with some manual intervention and checking). Once in place, new note titles would be quickly built up from a compound set of expressions from the Enterprise Reference Terminology which would cover virtually all of the useful note titles (excepting the odd and uninformative ones such as Dr Soandso's notes). That means that both old and new titles can be sorted and searched in computationally meaningful ways for quick and easy use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillon, Joseph Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == That's an interesting problem you pose. Did you ever see Euclid? It had a problem-centric UI that apparently providers loved. I guess you would click on, say, diabetes, and it would tell you what you should know about diabetes for patients of a certain age, gender, ethnicity, whatever. It would offer recommendations for meds and also check prescriptions for possible problems. It was written by a doc who's now in Reno. He just sent me the latest which is now web-based and uses MDO, the middleware techonology that VW uses. A sort of related but not quite the same feature is something VW will use soon, and that's Up-to-Date and medical dictionary searches. User highlights text, right clicks, picks the search engine and gets info. I'm saying all this just to indicate there are efforts to get some AI into our EMRs. In fact, the CPRS-R folks are going to use a lot of the old Euclid functionality. Oh, it has a thing called Assist that helps write notes. Sorry I don't know exactly how... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sowinski, Richard J. Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Joe, It's good to see you on Hardhats. What took you so long ? Sorry about hunt and peck analogy it's just the most apt description of what I see users doing when they use these products. It's just my bias, I think remote data viewers fillan interimniche. But I have had busy docs tell me that they don't have the time to sift through this data on most patients, unless they are really, really curious about something. I think the same thing can be said for Docs sifting through reams of CPRS data from their own site! Just no time to do that: they see their patient, writetheir note, writetheir prescription and any other orders, and get on to the next patient. This is no reflection on your VistaWeb product. I think it's a great tool, faster than RDV's, and an accomplishment on your part. It certainly helps alot whenDocs really want to see that data. I also think it is good that there is suchgreat interest outside of VA in some of the things VA has developed over the past few years, including VistaWeb. It's all good. Joe, you are on the right track, I think your VistaWeb product could be separated pretty simply from some of the complexities underneath. We can talk off-line if you want. I don't want to burn anymore Hardhats bandwidth on this topic, especially
[Hardhats-members] RE: [Hardhats-members] Finding Caché Documentation
Please forward me your documentation on optimizing the printing of the Acrobat documents. This might be useful if I decide to print the entire documentation set. Did you know that they have Kinkos over here? In any of the larger cities and towns you will find most of the major chains, and things like McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Wall Mart are everywhere you look, even in the smaller places like where I live. Globalization at its finest! Please forward me your documentation about connecting Access (MS?) to Caché via ODBC. Would this also indicate how to connect other products like Crystal Report? Right now I would be most interested in obtaining documentation on mapping Fileman files to Caché classes. If you have any documentation on this process I would be most grateful. I am not sure if this is what you are referring to when you talk about an SQL feature currently being prepared as a VistA patch. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee Cannon Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:35 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Finding Caché Documentation Here are some useful tips on finding and using Caché documentation. The Cache documentation is included in the install. The DocBook-based Caché 5.0 documentation is extendible- you can add your own documentation and it becomes a part of the entire set, which is searchable. If you run the SQL feature that is being prepared as a VistA patch (email me if you want it right now), youll see the FileMan file definition field descriptions, comments, etc. incorporated into the searchable, browser-based documentation. You can view Caché 4.1 and 5.0 documentation online and/or you download it. Take your pick at http://www.intersystems.com/cache/downloads/documentation/cache5docs/index.html I also have a document that explains how to optimize printing for the Acrobat documents. This is especially useful if youre going to have a print shop like Kinkos print and bind them for you. Please email me if you would like a copy of this document. The Caché 4.1 documentation is not as elegant as the 5.0 documentation. However, the Caché 5.0 SQL Manager is backward-compatible to 4.1, so you can use the 5.0 documentation to learn about certain 4.1 activities, such as running SQL queries server-side. If you want to run queries from an ODBC client, it works just like any RDBMS you may be more familiar with I can send you a paper on connecting Access to Caché via ODBC. You can do other things as well such as generating Word Documents, Acrobat files, etc. Just let me know what you are interested in and Ill send you a document to guide you. Thanks, Renee Cannon InterSystems Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
