Re: [Hardhats-members] CPRS GUI setup / Zeno Davatz
On 8/4/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeno -- Let's try to get your CPRS GUI working so that you can then help others. Nancy, please jump into the discussion as appropriate. Directory layout - please confirm that you have the following directories: /usr/local/gtm_V5.0-000 - GT.M installation files. /usr/local/gtm - symbolic link to /usr/local/gtm_V5.0-000. /usr/local/FOIAVistA - from distribution of OpenVistA SemivivA FOIA Gold from May, 2005 with three sub-directories, r/, o/ and g/. r/ and o/ should each have 23,100 routines. g/ should have 2 files, mumps.gld and mumps.dat.gz. /usr/local/OpenVistA - symbolic link to /usr/local/FOIAVistA. The symbolic links are not that important, but they help to establish that the installation went correctly. None of the files under /usr/local should have been modified by you after installation of OpenVistA SemiVivA. /home/vista - for an instance of VistA, with three sub-directories, r/, o/ and g/. g/ should have a file mumps.dat, which is the database file. r/ would have a file XWBTCPM.m, which is a copy of /usr/local/FOIAVistA/r/XWBTCPM.m modified as noted by Nancy Anthracite on Wednesday, and repeated below. I won't go into your xinetd configuration, because it looked as if you had that working. However, in response to a connection request at port 9200 (or wherever), the following script is executed by a bash shell (you can put a #!/bin//bash as the first line of the script): source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA export vista_home=/home/vista export gtmroutines=$vista_home/o($vista_home/r) $vista_source/o($vista_source/r) $gtm_dist export gtmgbldir=$vista_home/g/mumps.gld $gtm_dist/mumps -run GTMLNX^XWBTCPM Note that in the above, the first line starts with source, the last line starts with $gtm_dist and 4 lines in between start with export. Also, the line export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA can also read export vista_source=/usr/local/FOIAVistA. Ok, above all seems to work fine. /home/vista/r/XWBTCPM.m should differ from /usr/local/FOIAVistA/r/XWBTCPM.m in that the lines starting with the label GTMLNX and ending with G CONNTYPE should be replaced with: GTMLNX ;From Linux xinetd script D ESET ;GTM specific code S @($ZINTERRUPT=I $$JOBEXAM^ZU($ZPOSITION)) S XWBTDEV=$P X U XWBTDEV:(nowrap:nodelimiter) S %=,@(%=$ZTRNLNM(REMOTE_HOST)) S:$L(%) IO(GTM-IP)=% G CONNTYPE I did change these lines in my code. Just to eliminate (expected) compile time errors, pre-compile the module as follows (as user vista, or whichever user will run the RPC broker, not as user root): cd /home/vista/o source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile mumps ../r/XWBTCPM.m This gives me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/o $ mumps ../r/XWBTCPM.m %GTM-E-FILENOTFND, File ../r/XWBTCPM.m not found my /home/vista/o directory is empty as you can see. This will generate some errors, but create the file /home/vista/o/XWBTCP.o. Now try connecting with the CPRS GUI client and tell us what happens. Thanks for your Feedback. Zeno --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] xinetd configuration
On 8/9/05, Pkale Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I followed the entire correspondences,,, but it appears that we never came up with a resolution? My xinetd connection does work now. What are you questions? What does not yet work on my side is the Connection between the windows GUI and the Linux-OpenVistaServer on my Laptop. Best Zeno --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
The only way to prove which is better would be to do some sort of controlled study of persons new to M and asking which way is easier to learn. But as a newcomer myself, I think that making M as similar to other languages as possible is desirable. And I don't know of any other modern language that uses single letters for its commands. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :-) Kevin On 8/15/05, Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that one problem is that since MUMPS is not highly regarded in some circles, we MUMPS programmers have a tendency to be overly defensive at times, and respond negatively to suggestions that would tend to dilute what e perceive as MUMPS' distinctiveness. This is unfortunate for a number of reasons. One, of course, is that it doesn't play well outside the community. But a more serious issue is that it stands in the way of properly appreciating what MUMPS has to offer and, to be honest, it has a tendency to lead us to (unintentionally, of course) undersell ourselves. If I were teaching programming, would I use MUMPS? No. But are there features of the language that I think could make it valuable both pedagogically and as a research tool? Yes, absolutely. There are simply concepts that are both difficult to teach and difficult to use in languages such as C. I like C very much, and it is a language I would encourage everyone to learn, but MUMPS includes facilities not present in languages like C that can be extremely valuable. It is no accident that dynamic languages like Perl and Python have remained so popular -- they include language features that have proven to be extremely valuable in some situations, and the same is true of MUMPS. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Design Patterns Aren't - slides
He didn't make it explicit, but I believe the the "compression" that the author of these slides had in mind was related to Kolmogorov complexity. ===Gregory Woodhouse[EMAIL PROTECTED]"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible." --Albert Einstein (1879-1955) On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Aylesworth Marc A Ctr AFRL/IFSE wrote:Design patterns are not intended to reduce complexity but to make maintenance of code easier by designing to interfaces instead of implementations. A pattern is a common way to solve problems. It puts most of the work up front so that follow on work is easier. Thanks,Marc Aylesworth
[Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
I don't know much about perl, but I think that the GT.M website had a link that showed how to call GT.M functions from perl. If this is what you want, either look at the Intersystems website, or wait until Bhaskar gets back. He could probably give you the link. Kevin On 8/15/05, Mike Lieman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/15/05, Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one record at a time. Perhaps the question should be, how can we get MUMPS data structures into these other languages and make them more allocate-at-runtime friendly?? They would be stronger for it. Or Where's the perl DBI::MUMPS driver? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Greg; I said that typing was contextually derived which you have demonstrated. Strings are polymorphic as to contextual type, but they are always strings, the one data type in MUMPS. But this is part of my point. The language allows the programmer to get started early into solving the problem without forcing him to apply artificial constraints (such as how big do I make this array and what granularity does each cell represent). For example, lets do a class grade distribution. We want to find out the frequency of students grades on a test. Fine, so we write a little program and allocate an array of 101 elements (0 to 100 as grade range). OK, so the grades get loaded into the program. Every grade causes the corresponding element (a bucket) in the array to get incrimented by one when a grade hits it. Everything goes along fine until someone gets a 87.5, and then another gets a grade of 105 with extra credit. Well then you have to have rules as to the handling of these exceptions. When all of the grades are done, you have a lotof empty buckets (elements) and a few with something in them, and a number of exceptions to handle. In MUMPS, you start off with no buckets. As you get a grade, you check for there already being a bucket there and if not, then you create the bucket and put a pebble in it. The bucket doesn't mind if it has 100 or 1000 on it. It doesn't care that the name of the bucket is 87.5 or 97.6. The buckets don't even care if they are labeled Apple, Pear. or Peach. So any simple distribution can be created by this model and the only representative elements committed are the ones with something in them. The neat thing about this type of distribution is that it is already sorted when you get done. Once all of the items are loaded, the array can be walked easilty to demonstrate the distribution. without having to deal with actual large dense arrays. This is why MUMPS is more likely to support simplex types of solutions. The $ORDER and the $QUERY are both ways of walking these structures in a skip-search or sequential manor. But Greg, I am preaching to the choir here. Now lets add a twist. Say we want to keep the identity of each student who was responsible for a specific grade. This is easily done by adding an additional subscript to the array, say the number of the entry of the value into the model, 5th reading, a 89 was scored by Little Betty, so we would have if she was the first 89 in the set; BUCKET(89)=1 BUCKET(89,5)=Little Betty Now if we wanted to check to see if someone took the test more than once, we could probably find that person pretty easily and which readings their tests were. Using the count of the reaings insures that we do not have a collision when we are done. Enough for now. - Original Message - From: Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. Actually, Chris, it is an error to say that MUMPS is an untyped language. Types are undeclared, and the type associated with a value is context dependent. In USERSET X=HELLO USERSET Y=2 USERWRITE X HELLO USERWRITE X+Y 2 USERWRITE X HELLO USER the issue is not one of X having no type, but that the type (and associated value) is determined (at least in principle) at runtime. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Chris Richardson wrote: Folks; It isn't a question of which is better. These languages are tools and you use the right tool for the right job. Which is better, a hammer or a screw driver? They both can tack things together with a third item, a screw or a nail. Can you drive a screw with a hammer, sure, but the results may not be those desired. Kevin, if you like to see the code all spelled out, there are tools which do a wonderful job of doing exactly that, expand MUMPS code to the full spelling. XINDEX will even structure the code for you. I think what you are objecting to is that MUMPS doesn't force the programmer into one way or the other the way of programming. If you think that MUMPS is bad in this reguard, try APL. Now that language uses the Greek character set for their commands and functions, but boy, is it productive in the hands of someone who has mastered the language. MUMPS is a litterary masterpiece in comparison. Again, though, APL is just a tool. Actually teaching MUMPS is very easy for people who have not written code before, because there is little to no time in between the submission of an action and the feedback of results (no compile an link phase). Now with modern compilers, they have speeded up the process quite a bit and
[Hardhats-members] == Database View? ==
I'm afraid that my question might be a sacrilege for M/Cache/GT.M programmers, but: Is there a way to have a view of database records or tables or something similar from the Caché or GT.M implementations of VistA? Something like the SQL Enterprise Manager in MS SQL Server. At least for me, without such a view, the database is something ethereal and hard to grasp. Alberto Odor, MD Mexico City --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: == Database View? ==
I use Fileman Inquire option. I lets you examine the contents of a given record for a given file. Let me know if you need more info. Kevin On 8/15/05, Alberto Odor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid that my question might be a sacrilege for M/Cache/GT.M programmers, but: Is there a way to have a view of database records or tables or something similar from the Caché or GT.M implementations of VistA? Something like the SQL Enterprise Manager in MS SQL Server. At least for me, without such a view, the database is something ethereal and hard to grasp. Alberto Odor, MD Mexico City --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? ==
In Caché there is the SQL Manager where you can view the tables and write queries. Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Odor Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? == I'm afraid that my question might be a sacrilege for M/Cache/GT.M programmers, but: Is there a way to have a view of database records or tables or something similar from the Caché or GT.M implementations of VistA? Something like the SQL Enterprise Manager in MS SQL Server. At least for me, without such a view, the database is something ethereal and hard to grasp. Alberto Odor, MD Mexico City --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Cache Wont Start (this one)
Cache Telnet Error: ctelnetd startup error: bind(sock) failed reason: WSAEADDRINUSE Anyone know how to fix this? -- - Mark Goudie --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
I really think that for anyone new to Mumps that having the commands spelled out would be easier. I doubt we need the study for that. I think the only question is whether somebody who is fairly good at Mumps programming can actually read and understand the logic of unfamiliar code faster if the commands are spelled out or abbreviated. Perhaps it is just what we are used to. Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. The only way to prove which is better would be to do some sort of controlled study of persons new to M and asking which way is easier to learn. But as a newcomer myself, I think that making M as similar to other languages as possible is desirable. And I don't know of any other modern language that uses single letters for its commands. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :-) Kevin On 8/15/05, Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that one problem is that since MUMPS is not highly regarded in some circles, we MUMPS programmers have a tendency to be overly defensive at times, and respond negatively to suggestions that would tend to dilute what e perceive as MUMPS' distinctiveness. This is unfortunate for a number of reasons. One, of course, is that it doesn't play well outside the community. But a more serious issue is that it stands in the way of properly appreciating what MUMPS has to offer and, to be honest, it has a tendency to lead us to (unintentionally, of course) undersell ourselves. If I were teaching programming, would I use MUMPS? No. But are there features of the language that I think could make it valuable both pedagogically and as a research tool? Yes, absolutely. There are simply concepts that are both difficult to teach and difficult to use in languages such as C. I like C very much, and it is a language I would encourage everyone to learn, but MUMPS includes facilities not present in languages like C that can be extremely valuable. It is no accident that dynamic languages like Perl and Python have remained so popular -- they include language features that have proven to be extremely valuable in some situations, and the same is true of MUMPS. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Cache Wont Start (this one)
Sounds like you already have a telnet (or service running on the same port). http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WSK-19980701-EM03.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Goudie Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:09 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Cache Wont Start (this one) Cache Telnet Error: ctelnetd startup error: bind(sock) failed reason: WSAEADDRINUSE Anyone know how to fix this? -- - Mark Goudie --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Why doesn't someone start a GT.M-perl thread. If anyone tries to find this in the future, it will be hard because it is in a non descriptive thread... Kevin On 8/15/05, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you mind explaining this to someone who does not know anything about Perl? Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. Good one. Syntactically, in Perl (at least as of 5.8), I don't think you can have array references like A(X,Y,Z). Actually, you can, but the resulting value will be a list! Of course, you can use the arrow operator (-), but I suspect most MUMPS programmers would find it ugly. That being said, a DBI::MUMPS driver is an interesting idea. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Mike Lieman wrote: On 8/15/05, Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one record at a time. Perhaps the question should be, how can we get MUMPS data structures into these other languages and make them more allocate-at-runtime friendly?? They would be stronger for it. Or Where's the perl DBI::MUMPS driver? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm
The windows firewall is not intended to be a stand alone solution. It only blocks ports, firewalls now map ports to applications and only allow that port to be used by that application. I use kerio personal firewall which is a free download. http://www.kerio.com/kerio.html Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:03 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm With windows XP built in firewall, I wonder if Zone Alarm is as needed now as it was in the past. Kevin On 8/15/05, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday my Zone Alarm software gave me a notice that an upgrade was available that I was entitled to since I had paid for a one year license. So I did the upgrade, much to my regret. It broke Cache. Cache would not start at all and it did not leave an error in the cconsole.log. I have spent countless hours since Saturday with a lot of help today from Intersystems support trying to resolve this problem. Thanks to Rath and Rich at Intersystems, Cache is now working again on my Windows XP computer. I sent a message to Zone Labs and have received no reply from them. I should add that this the second time that Zone Alarm has broken Cache for me. The first time was an easy fix. This time it was a mess. I do not know what Zone Alarm was doing to cause the problem. I will also add that Zone Alarm also caused Photoshop to crash the first time I tried to start it. However, Photoshop seemed to work fine after starting it a second time. I presume that for both Cache and Photoshop that Zone Alarm's attempts to block certain software behavior until you train it was the problem. With Photoshop there was only one or two of the warnings that popped up. With Cache there must have been 20 or more. I will probably try to live with Zone Alarm until my license expires, but I will not upgrade it again. I would strongly recommend against using Zone Alarm on a system that is running Cache. Jim Gray --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - ID E for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Perl has a datatype that is a hash and can be accessed by the bucket name but it does not require distinct keys so that anything on the node would be returned as a list or Vector like datatype. Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:20 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. Why doesn't someone start a GT.M-perl thread. If anyone tries to find this in the future, it will be hard because it is in a non descriptive thread... Kevin On 8/15/05, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you mind explaining this to someone who does not know anything about Perl? Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. Good one. Syntactically, in Perl (at least as of 5.8), I don't think you can have array references like A(X,Y,Z). Actually, you can, but the resulting value will be a list! Of course, you can use the arrow operator (-), but I suspect most MUMPS programmers would find it ugly. That being said, a DBI::MUMPS driver is an interesting idea. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Mike Lieman wrote: On 8/15/05, Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one record at a time. Perhaps the question should be, how can we get MUMPS data structures into these other languages and make them more allocate-at-runtime friendly?? They would be stronger for it. Or Where's the perl DBI::MUMPS driver? --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm
Does linux firewall (iptables) do that per-application type of blocking? For incoming traffic, it seems to be able to map packets to a given service. But I don't know about outgoing packets. Kevin On 8/15/05, Aylesworth Marc A Ctr AFRL/IFSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The windows firewall is not intended to be a stand alone solution. It only blocks ports, firewalls now map ports to applications and only allow that port to be used by that application. I use kerio personal firewall which is a free download. http://www.kerio.com/kerio.html Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:03 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm With windows XP built in firewall, I wonder if Zone Alarm is as needed now as it was in the past. Kevin On 8/15/05, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday my Zone Alarm software gave me a notice that an upgrade was available that I was entitled to since I had paid for a one year license. So I did the upgrade, much to my regret. It broke Cache. Cache would not start at all and it did not leave an error in the cconsole.log. I have spent countless hours since Saturday with a lot of help today from Intersystems support trying to resolve this problem. Thanks to Rath and Rich at Intersystems, Cache is now working again on my Windows XP computer. I sent a message to Zone Labs and have received no reply from them. I should add that this the second time that Zone Alarm has broken Cache for me. The first time was an easy fix. This time it was a mess. I do not know what Zone Alarm was doing to cause the problem. I will also add that Zone Alarm also caused Photoshop to crash the first time I tried to start it. However, Photoshop seemed to work fine after starting it a second time. I presume that for both Cache and Photoshop that Zone Alarm's attempts to block certain software behavior until you train it was the problem. With Photoshop there was only one or two of the warnings that popped up. With Cache there must have been 20 or more. I will probably try to live with Zone Alarm until my license expires, but I will not upgrade it again. I would strongly recommend against using Zone Alarm on a system that is running Cache. Jim Gray --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? ==
You may not have the mapping. If you have a Namespace called PPVISTA then you have the mapping. The naming of the namespace maybe different now. I do not know if this mapping is standard in the VA. I got a disk from Bob Witkop that had the Provider Portal which has the mapping. Bob or someone else may know someplace online where you can download it. Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Odor Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:02 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? == If I open the VISTA namespace in Caché SQL Manager nothing appears, other namespaces like the Samples do show all elements. Alberto -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Walton, Edward NMN(WSH) Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Agosto de 2005 12:46 p.m. Para: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Asunto: RE: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? == In Caché there is the SQL Manager where you can view the tables and write queries. Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Odor Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] == Database View? == I'm afraid that my question might be a sacrilege for M/Cache/GT.M programmers, but: Is there a way to have a view of database records or tables or something similar from the Caché or GT.M implementations of VistA? Something like the SQL Enterprise Manager in MS SQL Server. At least for me, without such a view, the database is something ethereal and hard to grasp. Alberto Odor, MD Mexico City --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Command abbreviations for MUMPS...
Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I disagree with you that the issue here is one of what is easier to read. Most MUMPS programmers are simply *accustomed* to abbreviated commands. The abbreviated commands are not inherently easier to read, only more familiar. Nonsense. Although non-MUMPS programmers would obviously be unfamiliar with both the syntax and the intrinsics of the language (standard commands, functions, and variables), any programmer that prefers to read the standard elements of MUMPS in the long form can write them that way and read them that way (independently) if they so choose. Virtually everyone I have ever known who has spent enough time with it to master the language chooses the short form almost all of the time. Additionally, anyone who reads MUMPS code written in whatever style by other programmers can easily view it in whatever style they prefer with a utility such as the routine viewer that I provide in M2Web. When I started with MUMPS about 24 years ago, I started out by reading existing code extensively, including CoSTAR, Fileman, and many other public domain sources that were available at the time. The language certainly looked strange and unfamiliar to me at first, but there was a utility for pretty-printing MUMPS code that was included in the %INDEX* utilities (precursor to XINDEX*, written by Bob Lushene if I remember correctly). Not only did it expand all the commands and intrinsic functions and variables, it also broke up the code so that only one command and one argument was displayed per line. I thought it was a wonderful learning aid and used it for viewing everything for a while, but after a few weeks I couldn't stand the unnecessary verbosity, so I modified it to only expand one line of code at a time as needed. As I became more familiar with the language, I used even that less and less often. The problem was that a routine that could be viewed on a single page would be expanded to 10 pages and it would be much less readable because the extra space would make it more difficult to grasp the overall logic of it - losing the view of the forest for the trees. Now, of course, we have much better facilities for viewing source code. Using font characteristics such as bold and italics and varying background and foreground colors to differentiate syntactic features such as quotes and comments and providing active links from subroutine and extrinsic function calls greatly improves the ease and speed with which you can read and confidently understand large amounts of unfamiliar code. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm
On 8/15/05, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does linux firewall (iptables) do that per-application type of blocking? For incoming traffic, it seems to be able to map packets to a given service. But I don't know about outgoing packets. Kevin iptables, (netfilter) doesn't do that, as far as I know. But I'm not sure it's needed. First step in linux deployment for me, is to shutdown unused services. That's IMPOSSIBLE with Windows, for practical purposes, so you need to keep the Bad Guys away from the interesting, open ports. I'm NOT a big fan of Windows Firewalls. I just don't trust them. I use linux as my NAT/Gateway server for the whole subnet. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Warning about Zone Alarm
I think Windows has a way to control services. Its in the Control Panel-Administrative tools-services It lists all services and allows editing of whether the service is running, and whether to start up automatically. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Windows fan. Kevin On 8/15/05, Mike Lieman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/15/05, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does linux firewall (iptables) do that per-application type of blocking? For incoming traffic, it seems to be able to map packets to a given service. But I don't know about outgoing packets. Kevin iptables, (netfilter) doesn't do that, as far as I know. But I'm not sure it's needed. First step in linux deployment for me, is to shutdown unused services. That's IMPOSSIBLE with Windows, for practical purposes, so you need to keep the Bad Guys away from the interesting, open ports. I'm NOT a big fan of Windows Firewalls. I just don't trust them. I use linux as my NAT/Gateway server for the whole subnet. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] CPRS SOURCE CODE
ok, i have the source of my cprs version, and i try to open in delphi 2005, but when opening mark some erros like no declaration found, i don't know what happend, and my cuestion is some one knows what happend and what i need do to work on cprs source y modificate some things cprs version 1.0.25.28 thnks PD. VIVA la familia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Hello All,
This is Emmanuel, I am back from my whirlwind tour of the states to find that my email server has puked. If anyone, had tried to reach me... well it should work now :) ? Um what is the status of vista :) Anyway, hello all! --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
This misses the point. I certainly have no difficulty remembering the MUMPS command names by either their abbreviated or full names, and I seriously doubt that they present any difficulty to Kevin. It is a mistake to think that anyone who advocates the use of full command names does so because they have difficulty with the traditional abbreviated form of MUMPS. I would not belabor the point, except that I find the not so subtle implication that those arguing against the use of abbreviated commands are beginners. Perhaps more seriously, I think the MUMPS community does itself a disservice by focusing on facility *with the language*, which is a perhaps unintentional side effect of the rhetoric that tends to be used when this issue. It's relatively easy to learn to read music, but that doesn't make you a composer. Similarly, it is relatively easy to learn a language like MUMPS (or C, or Pascal, or Scheme), but that doesn't make you a programmer. Let's not sell ourselves short. There's a lot more collective knowledge on this list than familiarity with a language and various frameworks or libraries going by names like Kernel, Toolkit and Fileman. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible. --Albert Einstein (1879-1955) On Aug 15, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Chris Richardson wrote: Folks; The nice thing is that it is not one or the other. Both abreviated and unabreviated forms work. I find it amazing that people who have conquored Linux/Unix with all of its non-sequiter commands and the zillions of arguments would have this much trouble with MUMPS and its measily 23 commands. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Amen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Richardson Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:58 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. Folks; The nice thing is that it is not one or the other. Both abreviated and unabreviated forms work. I find it amazing that people who have conquored Linux/Unix with all of its non-sequiter commands and the zillions of arguments would have this much trouble with MUMPS and its measily 23 commands. - Original Message - From: James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. I really think that for anyone new to Mumps that having the commands spelled out would be easier. I doubt we need the study for that. I think the only question is whether somebody who is fairly good at Mumps programming can actually read and understand the logic of unfamiliar code faster if the commands are spelled out or abbreviated. Perhaps it is just what we are used to. Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. The only way to prove which is better would be to do some sort of controlled study of persons new to M and asking which way is easier to learn. But as a newcomer myself, I think that making M as similar to other languages as possible is desirable. And I don't know of any other modern language that uses single letters for its commands. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :-) Kevin On 8/15/05, Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that one problem is that since MUMPS is not highly regarded in some circles, we MUMPS programmers have a tendency to be overly defensive at times, and respond negatively to suggestions that would tend to dilute what e perceive as MUMPS' distinctiveness. This is unfortunate for a number of reasons. One, of course, is that it doesn't play well outside the community. But a more serious issue is that it stands in the way of properly appreciating what MUMPS has to offer and, to be honest, it has a tendency to lead us to (unintentionally, of course) undersell ourselves. If I were teaching programming, would I use MUMPS? No. But are there features of the language that I think could make it valuable both pedagogically and as a research tool? Yes, absolutely. There are simply concepts that are both difficult to teach and difficult to use in languages such as C. I like C very much, and it is a language I would encourage everyone to learn, but MUMPS includes facilities not present in languages like C that can be extremely valuable. It is no accident that dynamic languages like Perl and Python have remained so popular -- they include language features that have proven to be extremely valuable in some situations, and the same is true of MUMPS. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Hardhats-members] Hello All,
Welcome back. We will have to Skype and I will catch you up. On Monday 15 August 2005 12:37 pm, Doctor Bones wrote: This is Emmanuel, I am back from my whirlwind tour of the states to find that my email server has puked. If anyone, had tried to reach me... well it should work now :) ? Um what is the status of vista :) Anyway, hello all! --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] ^%ZOSF(UCI)
This didn't seem to make the list so I am trying again I have been getting a Netcall error from an OpenVistA installation that has this D GETENV^%ZOSV localhost^DEV^localhost^DEV:localhost * This comes from: GETENV ;Get environment Return Y='UCI^VOL^NODE^BOX LOOKUP' N %HOST,%V S %V=^%ZOSF(PROD),%HOST=$$RETURN(hostname -s) S Y=$TR(%V,,,^)_^_%HOST_^_$P(%V,,,2)_:_%HOST Q * D ^%G List ^%ZOSF(UCI) ^%ZOSF(UCI)=S Y=^%ZOSF(PROD) List ^%ZOSF(PROD) ^%ZOSF(PROD)=localhost,DEV So how do I find out where the first part of ^%ZOSF(PROD) coming from and do I just have to set it to fix this? And what to I set it to if that is the fix since I don't know what the UCI is supposed to be? -- Nancy Anthracite --- -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] ^%ZOSF(UCI)
It's probably not running BIND and has no DNS server configured. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli On Aug 15, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Nancy Anthracite wrote: This didn't seem to make the list so I am trying again I have been getting a Netcall error from an OpenVistA installation that has this D GETENV^%ZOSV localhost^DEV^localhost^DEV:localhost * This comes from: GETENV ;Get environment Return Y='UCI^VOL^NODE^BOX LOOKUP' N %HOST,%V S %V=^%ZOSF(PROD),%HOST=$$RETURN(hostname -s) S Y=$TR(%V,,,^)_^_%HOST_^_$P(%V,,,2)_:_%HOST Q * D ^%G List ^%ZOSF(UCI) ^%ZOSF(UCI)=S Y=^%ZOSF(PROD) List ^%ZOSF(PROD) ^%ZOSF(PROD)=localhost,DEV So how do I find out where the first part of ^%ZOSF(PROD) coming from and do I just have to set it to fix this? And what to I set it to if that is the fix since I don't know what the UCI is supposed to be? -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Oh, I agree. If you're going to work with VistA, you have to work with the existing code base, and it uses the abbreviated commands exclusively. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most profound technologies are those that disappear. --Mark Weiser On Aug 15, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Gary Monger wrote: It's a matter of practical use. Anyone taking up the language has to deal with things as they are. The single letter version of commands and system functions is nearly universal, and the code base is not likely to change. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.
Can you tell me about the command overloading? I know what that means in c++, but I can't think of an example in M. And yes old VistA code is ugly. I was advocating that NEW code be more beautiful and open for others. Doen't we want to attract others to the language? Why not try to bridge the gap and create code that is as similar to other mainstream languages as possible? Q:'Y may be more concise/clever, but if Y=0 quit would be understood by more newcomers and I suspect will execute just as fast. And yes I know that these two can't always replace each other. Gosh it's fun to flog this dead horse... :-) Kevin On 8/15/05, Gary Monger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a matter of practical use. Anyone taking up the language has to deal with things as they are. The single letter version of commands and system functions is nearly universal, and the code base is not likely to change. Some tools are available, but will they translate everywhere you need it and in conjunction with other tools you want to use, like a Data Dictionary lister? Its not a matter of which is easier or faster, both are easy enough and fast enough, and soon learned. It's just not really much of a problem in comparison to more serious readability issues that abound, and are created every day. For folks new to MUMPS there are many other stumbling blocks. Like the order of precedence of operators, dynamic typing/type coercion, overloading of commands, accessing the database, naked references, indirection, $TEST not being stacked, etc. MUMPS is substantially different from most languages no matter how you spell the commands. And for the most part the newcomer has to look them up anyway. A good place to do so: http://www.jacquardsystems.com/Examples/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Gray Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:06 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. I really think that for anyone new to Mumps that having the commands spelled out would be easier. I doubt we need the study for that. I think the only question is whether somebody who is fairly good at Mumps programming can actually read and understand the logic of unfamiliar code faster if the commands are spelled out or abbreviated. Perhaps it is just what we are used to. Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Re: Command abbreviations/Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers. The only way to prove which is better would be to do some sort of controlled study of persons new to M and asking which way is easier to learn. But as a newcomer myself, I think that making M as similar to other languages as possible is desirable. And I don't know of any other modern language that uses single letters for its commands. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :-) Kevin On 8/15/05, Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that one problem is that since MUMPS is not highly regarded in some circles, we MUMPS programmers have a tendency to be overly defensive at times, and respond negatively to suggestions that would tend to dilute what e perceive as MUMPS' distinctiveness. This is unfortunate for a number of reasons. One, of course, is that it doesn't play well outside the community. But a more serious issue is that it stands in the way of properly appreciating what MUMPS has to offer and, to be honest, it has a tendency to lead us to (unintentionally, of course) undersell ourselves. If I were teaching programming, would I use MUMPS? No. But are there features of the language that I think could make it valuable both pedagogically and as a research tool? Yes, absolutely. There are simply concepts that are both difficult to teach and difficult to use in languages such as C. I like C very much, and it is a language I would encourage everyone to learn, but MUMPS includes facilities not present in languages like C that can be extremely valuable. It is no accident that dynamic languages like Perl and Python have remained so popular -- they include language features that have proven to be extremely valuable in some situations, and the same is true of MUMPS. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement *
Re: [Hardhats-members] Hello All,
Hey! Welcome back! VistA has been adopted for the next manned mission to mars, and the VA has contracted to rewrite fileman in PHP. Just kidding. How did that course go? Good I hope. I recently changed to the new Google GMAIL. If you want to start over, that might me a good way to go. It automatically threads your posts for you, which is very helpful for a mailing list. Kevin On 8/15/05, Doctor Bones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is Emmanuel, I am back from my whirlwind tour of the states to find that my email server has puked. If anyone, had tried to reach me... well it should work now :) ? Um what is the status of vista :) Anyway, hello all! --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] ^%ZOSF(UCI)
I believe that ^%ZOSF(PROD) is established in PROD^ZTMGRST The user is asked for the production (signon) UCI,VOLUME SET If the user input passes some tests, then you set set ^%ZOSF(PROD)=X ; (X is the user input) In my installer script, I cleared out so that there was only one record in the VOLUME file and only one record in the UCI ASSOCIATION file. And the entries had appropriate names of VOL and UCI. Then, when I go through ZTMGRSET, I use VOL and UCI and my answers for VOL? and UCI? Kevin p.s. I took an ambien and am heading to bed. Hope that made sense... On 8/15/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This didn't seem to make the list so I am trying again I have been getting a Netcall error from an OpenVistA installation that has this D GETENV^%ZOSV localhost^DEV^localhost^DEV:localhost * This comes from: GETENV ;Get environment ;Return Y='UCI^VOL^NODE^BOX LOOKUP' new %HOST, new %V set %V=^%ZOSF(PROD) set %HOST=$$RETURN(hostname -s) set Y=$translate(%V,,,^)_^_%HOST_^_$P(%V,,,2)_:_%HOST Q * D ^%G List ^%ZOSF(UCI) ^%ZOSF(UCI)=S Y=^%ZOSF(PROD) List ^%ZOSF(PROD) ^%ZOSF(PROD)=localhost,DEV So how do I find out where the first part of ^%ZOSF(PROD) coming from and do I just have to set it to fix this? And what to I set it to if that is the fix since I don't know what the UCI is supposed to be? -- Nancy Anthracite --- -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
