Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-31 Thread Bob Beckley



Thanks, Greg. I appreciate you taking the 
time to explain this.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Greg Kreis 
  To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan 
  in Cache
  The effect you are seeing is because you are printing 
  multiples. The main record's field doesn't repeat so you understand that 
  the multiple fields that print on each line are part of that record. If 
  it repeated, you wouldn't be sure if you had several records, with the same 
  value, and one multiple entry per record or one record with several records in 
  the multiple. Does that make sense?Bob Beckley wrote: 
  Chris, you're right about the validity.  I just made up the example
on-the-fly.  The real problem is that under the Cache/VMS environment, my
FileMan report automatically suppresses consecutive duplicate values, which
is very weird, since there is a  FileMan print qualifier (;N) used to
suppress them.  I want to "un-suppress" them somehow.  Please see my reply
to Greg.  Thanks.

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Richardson
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:26 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


Nancy;

   The global listed does not look like a valid Fileman Global structure,
(but it is a fine MUMPS global just the same).  If you are trying to access
this with fileman, it may not be evaluating it the way you think.  I'm kind
of surprised that the global list utility does not yield the difference in
the subsequent nodes.


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From: "Nancy E. Anthracite" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


  
Bob Witkop from Intersystems hangs his hat here at times, so he will see
this.
  
On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:25 pm, Bob Beckley wrote:

  If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll
  notice
  

  that the global array to the left of the "=" sign is listed only once.
Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of
  the
  

  "=" sign, with "new" data to the right, like so:

^ABC(1,"ID")=123^124
=321^421
=534^543
...

This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:

Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
43214 No  Vet

Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.

Does anyone know how to make, in this example, "John Jones" appear on
  each
  

  and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)
  Thanks
  

  in advance.

  




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[Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Bob Beckley
If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll notice
that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of the
= sign, with new data to the right, like so:

^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
=321^421
=534^543
...

This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:

Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
43214 No  Vet

Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.

Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on each
and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)  Thanks
in advance.




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Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Nancy E. Anthracite
Bob Witkop from Intersystems hangs his hat here at times, so he will see this.  

On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:25 pm, Bob Beckley wrote:
 If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll notice
 that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
 Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of the
 = sign, with new data to the right, like so:

 ^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
 =321^421
 =534^543
 ...

 This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:

 Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
 43214 No  Vet

 Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.

 Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on each
 and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
 that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)  Thanks
 in advance.




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Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Greg Kreis
The Cache display of globals that suppresses the subscripts is just a 
formatting choice. It is just how they chose to present them.  It 
doesn't influence how globals work or how FM works.

FM can be made to suppress repeating values in a column through the use 
of a suffix of ;N for a field specification in the print template.  
Look at the print template of the report that you showed here.  The 
fields normally repeat.  You have to work to suppress them.

Bob Beckley wrote:
If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll notice
that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of the
= sign, with new data to the right, like so:
^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
   =321^421
   =534^543
   ...
This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:
Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
   43214 No  Vet
Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.
Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on each
and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)  Thanks
in advance.

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Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Chris Richardson
Nancy;

   The global listed does not look like a valid Fileman Global structure,
(but it is a fine MUMPS global just the same).  If you are trying to access
this with fileman, it may not be evaluating it the way you think.  I'm kind
of surprised that the global list utility does not yield the difference in
the subsequent nodes.


- Original Message -
From: Nancy E. Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


 Bob Witkop from Intersystems hangs his hat here at times, so he will see
this.

 On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:25 pm, Bob Beckley wrote:
  If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll
notice
  that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
  Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of
the
  = sign, with new data to the right, like so:
 
  ^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
  =321^421
  =534^543
  ...
 
  This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:
 
  Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
  43214 No  Vet
 
  Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.
 
  Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on
each
  and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
  that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)
Thanks
  in advance.
 





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RE: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Bob Beckley
Greg, we're running Cache/VMS and have no choice (as far as I can figure)
regarding consecutive duplicate value suppression.  Our global listings
automatically (it seems) employ it, and now I've noticed it in a print menu
option I just created.  I just want to un-suppress them.  Here's an
example:

print template:

FIRST PRINT FIELD: PAY PERIOD
THEN PRINT FIELD: EMPLOYEE
  THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: EMPLOYEE;C12;L18
  THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: APP. SUPERVISOR;C35;L18
  THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: DAY #
THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: TIMEKEEPER POSTING;C58;L18
THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD:
  THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD:
THEN PRINT FIELD:
Heading: TIME  ATTENDANCE RECORDS LIST  Replace ... With TA Check
  Replace
   TA Check
STORE PRINT LOGIC IN TEMPLATE: ZZBBPRINT1
  Are you adding 'ZZBBPRINT1' as a new PRINT TEMPLATE? No// Y  (Yes)

printout:

TA Check  JAN 29,2005  21:41PAGE 1
PAY
PERIOD EMPLOYEE   APP. SUPERVISORTIMEKEEPER POSTING



04-06  ,OSCAR L JR




  These are null matches, which we want.








   xxx,ALVIN Cxx,SANDRA Mxx,SANDRA M
 xx,SANDRA M
 xx,SANDRA M
 xx,SANDRA M

No suppression employed via the print template.  Where's it coming from,
then?  Weird, huh?  Thanks for your time.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg
Kreis
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:27 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


The Cache display of globals that suppresses the subscripts is just a
formatting choice. It is just how they chose to present them.  It
doesn't influence how globals work or how FM works.

FM can be made to suppress repeating values in a column through the use
of a suffix of ;N for a field specification in the print template.
Look at the print template of the report that you showed here.  The
fields normally repeat.  You have to work to suppress them.

Bob Beckley wrote:

If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll notice
that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of the
= sign, with new data to the right, like so:

^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
=321^421
=534^543
...

This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:

Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
43214 No  Vet

Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.

Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on each
and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)  Thanks
in advance.




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RE: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Bob Beckley
Chris, you're right about the validity.  I just made up the example
on-the-fly.  The real problem is that under the Cache/VMS environment, my
FileMan report automatically suppresses consecutive duplicate values, which
is very weird, since there is a  FileMan print qualifier (;N) used to
suppress them.  I want to un-suppress them somehow.  Please see my reply
to Greg.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris
Richardson
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:26 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


Nancy;

   The global listed does not look like a valid Fileman Global structure,
(but it is a fine MUMPS global just the same).  If you are trying to access
this with fileman, it may not be evaluating it the way you think.  I'm kind
of surprised that the global list utility does not yield the difference in
the subsequent nodes.


- Original Message -
From: Nancy E. Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


 Bob Witkop from Intersystems hangs his hat here at times, so he will see
this.

 On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:25 pm, Bob Beckley wrote:
  If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll
notice
  that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only once.
  Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of
the
  = sign, with new data to the right, like so:
 
  ^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
  =321^421
  =534^543
  ...
 
  This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:
 
  Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
  43214 No  Vet
 
  Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.
 
  Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones appear on
each
  and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
  that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)
Thanks
  in advance.
 





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Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Marianne Susaanti Follingstad


FM only prints the higher level entry once when printing subfile info.
If you want the higher level info printed on each line, you need to specify
it to print within the multiple. So in your case, you would hold
off on specifying the employee, supervisor info until within the day subfile.
For your example (FM might ask some questions which I'm not showing, just
to be sure it knows what you want):
FIRST PRINT FIELD: PAY PERIOD
THEN PRINT FIELD: EMPLOYEE
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: DAY #
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: EMPLOYEE;C12;L18
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: APP. SUPERVISOR;C35;L18
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: TIMEKEEPER POSTING;C58;L18
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD:
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD:
THEN PRINT FIELD:


Bob Beckley wrote:
Greg, we're running Cache/VMS and have no choice
(as far as I can figure)
regarding consecutive duplicate value suppression. Our global
listings
automatically (it seems) employ it, and now I've noticed it in a print
menu
option I just created. I just want to "un-suppress" them.
Here's an
example:
print template:
FIRST PRINT FIELD: PAY PERIOD
THEN PRINT FIELD: EMPLOYEE
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: EMPLOYEE;C12;L18
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: APP. SUPERVISOR;C35;L18
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: DAY #
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: TIMEKEEPER POSTING;C58;L18
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD:
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD:
THEN PRINT FIELD:
Heading: TIME  ATTENDANCE RECORDS LIST Replace ... With
TA Check
 Replace
 TA Check
STORE PRINT LOGIC IN TEMPLATE: ZZBBPRINT1
 Are you adding 'ZZBBPRINT1' as a new PRINT TEMPLATE? No// Y
(Yes)
printout:
TA Check
JAN 29,2005 21:41 PAGE 1
PAY
PERIOD EMPLOYEE
APP. SUPERVISOR TIMEKEEPER POSTING


04-06 ,OSCAR L JR

These are null matches, which we want.
 xxx,ALVIN
C xx,SANDRA M
xx,SANDRA M

xx,SANDRA M

xx,SANDRA M

xx,SANDRA M
No suppression employed via the print template. Where's it coming
from,
then? Weird, huh? Thanks for your time.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Greg
Kreis
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:27 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache
The Cache display of globals that suppresses the subscripts is just
a
formatting choice. It is just how they chose to present them.
It
doesn't influence how globals work or how FM works.
FM can be made to suppress repeating values in a column through the
use
of a suffix of ";N" for a field specification in the print template.
Look at the print template of the report that you showed here.
The
fields normally repeat. You have to work to suppress them.
Bob Beckley wrote:
>If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll
notice
>that the global array to the left of the "=" sign is listed only once.
>Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left
of the
>"=" sign, with "new" data to the right, like so:
>
>^ABC(1,"ID")=123^124
>
=321^421
>
=534^543
>
...
>
>This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:
>
>Jones, John 12344
Yes Vet
>
43214 No Vet
>
>Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.
>
>Does anyone know how to make, in this example, "John Jones" appear
on each
>and every line instead of a blank? I don't know of any print
qualifiers
>that cover this. (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)
Thanks
>in advance.
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Greg Woodhouse
It is not undocumented (you can always associate a label with a field)
and it has nothing to do with Cache. Printing in Fileman is unrelated
to the global lister.

--- Bob Beckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you, Marianne.  That did the trick.  Is this an undocumented
 feature
 of FileMan?  I'm looking for it in the manuals, but so far no luck. 
 I'll
 have to make a special note of it in the margin.  Thanks again.
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Marianne
 Susaanti Follingstad
   Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:29 PM
   To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache
 
 
   FM only prints the higher level entry once when printing subfile
 info.  If
 you want the higher level info printed on each line, you need to
 specify it
 to print within the multiple.  So in your case, you would hold off on
 specifying the employee, supervisor info until within the day
 subfile.  For
 your example (FM might ask some questions which I'm not showing, just
 to be
 sure it knows what you want):
   FIRST PRINT FIELD: PAY PERIOD
   THEN PRINT FIELD: EMPLOYEE
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: DAY #
  THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: EMPLOYEE;C12;L18
  THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: APP. SUPERVISOR;C35;L18
  THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: TIMEKEEPER POSTING;C58;L18
   THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD:
 THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD:
   THEN PRINT FIELD:
 
 
 
   Bob Beckley wrote:
 
 Greg, we're running Cache/VMS and have no choice (as far as I can
 figure)
 regarding consecutive duplicate value suppression.  Our global
 listings
 automatically (it seems) employ it, and now I've noticed it in a
 print
 menu
 option I just created.  I just want to un-suppress them. 
 Here's an
 example:
 print template:
 
 FIRST PRINT FIELD: PAY PERIOD
 THEN PRINT FIELD: EMPLOYEE
   THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: EMPLOYEE;C12;L18
   THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: APP. SUPERVISOR;C35;L18
   THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD: DAY #
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD: TIMEKEEPER POSTING;C58;L18
 THEN PRINT DAY # SUB-FIELD:
   THEN PRINT EMPLOYEE SUB-FIELD:
 THEN PRINT FIELD:
 Heading: TIME  ATTENDANCE RECORDS LIST  Replace ... With TA
 Check
   Replace
TA Check
 STORE PRINT LOGIC IN TEMPLATE: ZZBBPRINT1
   Are you adding 'ZZBBPRINT1' as a new PRINT TEMPLATE? No// Y 
 (Yes)
 
 printout:
 
 TA Check  JAN 29,2005  21:41
 PAGE 1
 PAY
 PERIOD EMPLOYEE   APP. SUPERVISOR   
 TIMEKEEPER
 POSTING



 
 
 
 04-06  ,OSCAR L JR
 
   These are null matches, which
 we want.
 
xxx,ALVIN Cxx,SANDRA M   
 xx,SANDRA M
 
 xx,SANDRA M
 
 xx,SANDRA M
 
 xx,SANDRA M
 
 No suppression employed via the print template.  Where's it
 coming from,
 then?  Weird, huh?  Thanks for your time.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Greg
 Kreis
 Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:27 PM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache
 
 The Cache display of globals that suppresses the subscripts is
 just a
 formatting choice. It is just how they chose to present them.  It
 doesn't influence how globals work or how FM works.
 
 FM can be made to suppress repeating values in a column through
 the use
 of a suffix of ;N for a field specification in the print
 template.
 Look at the print template of the report that you showed here. 
 The
 fields normally repeat.  You have to work to suppress them.
 
 Bob Beckley wrote:
 
 If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment,
 you'll
 notice
 that the global array to the left of the = sign is listed only
 once.
 Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the
 left of
 the
 = sign, with new data to the right, like so:
 
 ^ABC(1,ID)=123^124
 =321^421
 =534^543
 ...
 
 This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:
 
 Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
 43214 No  Vet
 
 Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only
 once.
 
 Does anyone know how to make, in this example, John Jones
 appear on
 each
 and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print
 qualifiers
 that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with
 Intersystems?)
 Thanks

Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache

2005-01-30 Thread Greg Kreis




The effect you are seeing is because you are printing multiples. The
main record's field doesn't repeat so you understand that the multiple
fields that print on each line are part of that record. If it
repeated, you wouldn't be sure if you had several records, with the
same value, and one multiple entry per record or one record with
several records in the multiple. Does that make sense?

Bob Beckley wrote:

  Chris, you're right about the validity.  I just made up the example
on-the-fly.  The real problem is that under the Cache/VMS environment, my
FileMan report automatically suppresses consecutive duplicate values, which
is very weird, since there is a  FileMan print qualifier (;N) used to
suppress them.  I want to "un-suppress" them somehow.  Please see my reply
to Greg.  Thanks.

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Nancy;

   The global listed does not look like a valid Fileman Global structure,
(but it is a fine MUMPS global just the same).  If you are trying to access
this with fileman, it may not be evaluating it the way you think.  I'm kind
of surprised that the global list utility does not yield the difference in
the subsequent nodes.


- Original Message -
From: "Nancy E. Anthracite" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] FileMan in Cache


  
  
Bob Witkop from Intersystems hangs his hat here at times, so he will see

  
  this.
  
  
On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:25 pm, Bob Beckley wrote:


  If you look at a global listing in the Cache/VMS environment, you'll
  

  
  notice
  
  

  that the global array to the left of the "=" sign is listed only once.
Subsequent entries with the same global array are blank to the left of
  

  
  the
  
  

  "=" sign, with "new" data to the right, like so:

^ABC(1,"ID")=123^124
=321^421
=534^543
...

This apparently carries over into FileMan reports, like so:

Jones, John 12344 Yes Vet
43214 No  Vet

Both entries are for John Jones, but his name is listed only once.

Does anyone know how to make, in this example, "John Jones" appear on
  

  
  each
  
  

  and every line instead of a blank?  I don't know of any print qualifiers
that cover this.  (Perhaps I should take it up with Intersystems?)
  

  
  Thanks
  
  

  in advance.

  

  
  




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