RE: [Hardhats-members] Language standard

2005-05-19 Thread Holloway, Thomas (EDS)



My copy says:
--

Published by
M 
Technology Association
1738 Elton Road, Suite 205
Silver Spring, MD 20903
(301) 431-4070

Copyright  1995 by The MUMPS Development 
Committee.
All right reserved.

No part of this publication may be reproduced in any 
form,
in an electronic retrieval system or otherwise, 
without
the prior written permission of the publisher.

Printed in the United States of America
-

If the publisher is MTA, and MTA is gone, then one 
cannot get "prior written permission" so is it an open document? If MDC 
owns the copyright, does permission authority revert to 
them?

 tjh



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Gregory WoodhouseSent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:09 
AMTo: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: 
[Hardhats-members] Language standard
I tried searching for X11, X11.1 ANSI/MDC X11.1-1995, MUMPS and even 
programming languages at www.ansi.org with no 
success. Apparently, if the standard can still be purchased from ANSI, I can't 
find it. I tried a Google search, too, and found a link to www.iso.org, but in that case the standard (an 
older one) was simply listed as "withdrawn".

Is the language standard still available for purchase? Where?



Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


RE: [Hardhats-members] Language standard

2005-05-19 Thread Maury Pepper



I'm forwarding a reply which apparently did 
not get to this list:

- Original Message - 
From: Ed de Moel 
To: Maury 
Pepper ; hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net 

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Language standard

When the MTA closed down, copyright of the ANSI standardreverted back 
to ISO.Any printed copies left were transferred to NEMUG, who mightstill 
have copies left for sale.The ISO standard (ISO-11756-1999) is still for 
sale from ISO.If the document appears to be "withdrawn" that would surprise 
me,since a vote to re-affirm the existing standard is about to be 
taken...The other MUMPS related standards are availlable from ISOas 
ISO-15681-1999 (OMI) and ISO-15682-1999 (MWAPI).Hope this 
helps,Ed
Oh yes.. I should have 
added:if the ISO website indicates that the ANSIstandard is 
withdrawn, that is correct of course.When the MTA closed down, all MTA-owned 
ANSIstandards were automatically withdrawn.Ed
Maury Pepper wrote:

  
  

  Ed, any comment?
  
  
  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Holloway, Thomas (EDS) 
  To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Language standard
  
  My copy says:
  --
  
  Published by
  M Technology Association
  1738 Elton Road, Suite 205
  Silver Spring, MD 20903
  (301) 431-4070
  
  Copyright © 1995 by The MUMPS Development 
  Committee.
  All right reserved.
  
  No part of this publication may be reproduced in any 
  form,
  in an electronic retrieval system or otherwise, 
  without
  the prior written permission of the publisher.
  
  Printed in the United States of America
  -
  
  If the publisher is MTA, and MTA is gone, then one 
  cannot get "prior written permission" so is it an open document? If MDC 
  owns the copyright, does permission authority revert to 
  them?
  
   tjh
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Gregory WoodhouseSent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 
  1:09 AMTo: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: 
  [Hardhats-members] Language standardI tried searching for 
  X11, X11.1 ANSI/MDC X11.1-1995, MUMPS and even programming languages at www.ansi.org with no success. Apparently, if 
  the standard can still be purchased from ANSI, I can't find it. I tried a 
  Google search, too, and found a link to www.iso.org, but in that case the standard (an 
  older one) was simply listed as "withdrawn". 
  
  Is the language standard still available for purchase? Where?
  
  
  
  Gregory Woodhouse
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Language standard

2005-05-19 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Thanks.

--- Maury Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm forwarding a reply which apparently did not get to this list:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ed de Moel 
 To: Maury Pepper ; hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net 
 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:09 PM
 Subject: Re: Fw: Language standard
 
 
 When the MTA closed down, copyright of the ANSI standard
 reverted back to ISO.
 Any printed copies left were transferred to NEMUG, who might
 still have copies left for sale.
 
 The ISO standard (ISO-11756-1999) is still for sale from ISO.
 If the document appears to be withdrawn that would surprise me,
 since a vote to re-affirm the existing standard is about to be
 taken...
 The other MUMPS related standards are availlable from ISO
 as ISO-15681-1999 (OMI) and ISO-15682-1999 (MWAPI).
 
 Hope this helps,
 Ed
 
 Oh yes.. I should have added:
 
 if the ISO website indicates that the ANSI
 standard is withdrawn, that is correct of course.
 When the MTA closed down, all MTA-owned ANSI
 standards were automatically withdrawn.
 
 Ed
 
 
 Maury Pepper wrote:
 
   Ed, any comment?
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Holloway, Thomas (EDS) 
   To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net 
   Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:58 AM
   Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Language standard
 
 
   My copy says:
  

--
 
   Published by
   M Technology Association
   1738 Elton Road, Suite 205
   Silver Spring, MD 20903
   (301) 431-4070
 
   Copyright © 1995 by The MUMPS Development Committee.
   All right reserved.
 
   No part of this publication may be reproduced in any form,
   in an electronic retrieval system or otherwise, without
   the prior written permission of the publisher.
 
   Printed in the United States of America
  

-
 
   If the publisher is MTA, and MTA is gone, then one cannot get
 prior written permission so is it an open document?  If MDC owns
 the copyright, does permission authority revert to them?
 
  tjh
 
 
 

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   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Gregory Woodhouse
   Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:09 AM
   To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: [Hardhats-members] Language standard
 
 
   I tried searching for X11, X11.1 ANSI/MDC X11.1-1995, MUMPS and
 even programming languages at www.ansi.org with no success.
 Apparently, if the standard can still be purchased from ANSI, I can't
 find it. I tried a Google search, too, and found a link to
 www.iso.org, but in that case the standard (an older one) was simply
 listed as withdrawn. 
 
 
   Is the language standard still available for purchase? Where?
 
 
 
 
   
 
   Gregory Woodhouse
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 
 
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[Hardhats-members] Language standard

2005-05-18 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
I tried searching for X11, X11.1 ANSI/MDC X11.1-1995, MUMPS and even programming languages at www.ansi.org with no success. Apparently, if the standard can still be purchased from ANSI, I can't find it. I tried a Google search, too, and found a link to www.iso.org, but in that case the standard (an older one) was simply listed as "withdrawn".Is the language standard still available for purchase? Where?   Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]