Re: [Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-31 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 20:50 schrieb Ashley Yakeley:
 Sam Goldman wrote:
  Okay but how should we handle page names?  Pages are neither books nor
  articles but they are closer to articles than to books.  Therefore, I
  would propose to use lower case letters for all words except the first
  one.  Since changing the title actually means moving the page, we
  should agree on this point here before doint further page renamings.
 
  Best wishes,
  Wolfgang
 
  Not that I'm anyone important, but I have no problem with that (lower
  case except for first word).

 This is also what Wikipedia does.

So then let's use this convention?

Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: [Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-28 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Samstag, 28. Januar 2006 00:29 schrieb Einar Karttunen:
 On 27.01 21:13, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
   I don't mind people creating hierarchies such as Simon M's performance
   resource. It may not be appropriate for a pure encyclopedia like
   Wikipedia, but HaskellWiki will be replacing the haskell.org site
   (shortly) and a more hierarchical structure may be appropriate for some
   content.
 
  Maybe we should allow using slashes for specifying hierarchy.  But
  nevertheless I think that page names shouldn't be mnemonic, so I would,
  for example, use Books and tutorials instead of Books.

 Short and nice URLs without too many %20 are a nice thing to have.

For URLs, MediaWiki converts every space into an underscore.  So if the page 
name is Books and tutorials then the URL is 
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Books_and_tutorials.

 [...]

Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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[Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-27 Thread Ashley Yakeley

Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:

Hello,

the names of the pages of the new MediaWiki-driven Haskell wiki are often 
rather directory names than article titles as they are on Wikipedia.  For 
example, the page Books and tutorials about Haskell isn't named Books and 
tutorials about Haskell or Books and tutorials but just Books.  Another 
example is the GHC documentation page which is named GHC/Documentation.  
Here the slash is used to express a hierarchy as it's done in UNIX path 
names, for example.  But Wikipedia uses the slash just where it is used 
normally.  For example, the term I/O contains a slash and the Wikipedia 
article about I/O is named I/O.


MediaWiki uses / to create hierarchy also, though Wikipedia happens to 
discourage this use. If you go to GHC/Documentation, you'll see a link 
back to the parent  GHC near the top of the page. This is inserted by 
the MediaWiki software, but only because the page GHC exists. You can 
also create relative links, see the GHC page source for examples.


On the other hand, if someone were to create a page I/O, it wouldn't 
have a link back to I unless that page existed. So you can have it 
either way.


I propose that we stick to the Wikipedia convention and choose page names 
which are a short description of the page's topic in normal (English) 
language.  Remember, that the page name is not only part of the page's URL 
but also displayed as a title on the page and in the window's title bar.


What do you think?


I don't mind people creating hierarchies such as Simon M's performance 
resource. It may not be appropriate for a pure encyclopedia like 
Wikipedia, but HaskellWiki will be replacing the haskell.org site 
(shortly) and a more hierarchical structure may be appropriate for some 
content.


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Re: [Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-27 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2006 20:44 schrieb Ashley Yakeley:
 [...]

 I don't mind people creating hierarchies such as Simon M's performance
 resource. It may not be appropriate for a pure encyclopedia like
 Wikipedia, but HaskellWiki will be replacing the haskell.org site
 (shortly) and a more hierarchical structure may be appropriate for some
 content.

Maybe we should allow using slashes for specifying hierarchy.  But 
nevertheless I think that page names shouldn't be mnemonic, so I would, for 
example, use Books and tutorials instead of Books.

Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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[Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-27 Thread Ashley Yakeley

Sam Goldman wrote:

Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:

I just started moving pages.  But know I wonder which case I should 
use for inner-title words.  Should the page title be Books and 
tutorials or Books and Tutorials, for example?  Since pages are 
only small documents, I chose the lower-case alternative but currently 
the Haskell website uses upper-case.



I think that title case would be appropriate.


Wikipedia uses first word only, e.g. Books and tutorials.

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Re: [Haskell] Re: page names on the new Haskell wiki

2006-01-27 Thread Einar Karttunen
On 27.01 21:13, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
  I don't mind people creating hierarchies such as Simon M's performance
  resource. It may not be appropriate for a pure encyclopedia like
  Wikipedia, but HaskellWiki will be replacing the haskell.org site
  (shortly) and a more hierarchical structure may be appropriate for some
  content.
 
 Maybe we should allow using slashes for specifying hierarchy.  But 
 nevertheless I think that page names shouldn't be mnemonic, so I would, for 
 example, use Books and tutorials instead of Books.

Short and nice URLs without too many %20 are a nice thing to have.
Please consider at least leaving shorter names as alternatives
with redirection if you must use long names for some reason.

- Einar Karttunen
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