Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On 9 Aug 2013, at 06:43, Vagif Verdi vagif.ve...@gmail.com wrote: Leksah is a linux program intented to run on linux. No, it is also intended to run on OS X and Windows. You can (in some cases) successfully install and run it on windows, but you would need to go through certain steps installing some unrelated to windows software (gtk etc) No, there are no steps needed to install Gtk to run Leksah (the DLLs are included in the Leksah installer). You really only need to install the Haskell Platform and Leksah. If you want the grep feature to work you will need grep in your PATH. I would recommend leksah maintainers to change the language on their website to prevent future problems like this. We have prebuilt Windows installers that bundle everything you need to run Leksah. http://www.leksah.org/download.html If your GHC compiler is not listed there you can try out one of the development releases (0.13.2.4 is current). This version includes Gtk3 and some WebKit based features. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/leksah/7A4gr8iem5c While it is true that it is currently hard to install Gtk for dev purposes on Windows, it is easy to install Leksah. Hamish ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On 9 Aug 2013, at 07:58, Gregory Weber gdwe...@iue.edu wrote: GTK and its (non-Haskell) dependencies seem to be the tricky part. I found the instructions for installing Gtk2hs on Windows http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Gtk2Hs/Installation#Windows a bit sketchy, so wrote a blog post with more detailed instructions: http://spottedmetal.blogspot.com/2013/07/setting-up-haskell-gtk-development.html I normally work with Linux; Windows experts could probably make some improvements in my procedures. To install Gtk 3 on Windows I installed a Fedora VM and set it up to cross compile windows Gtk 3 apps. This is actually much easier than installing on Gtk 3 on windows. Fedora and OpenSUSE have mingw32 rpms for all your windows needs. They even include stuff like WebKit. I then shared the DLLs and header files with my Windows machine and installed Gtk2Hs using those. If you would rather not go to the trouble of installing a VM, then there is a python script in this article might help (I have not tried it)... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6006689/where-can-i-download-precompiled-gtk-3-binaries-or-windows-installer Next time I have to refresh my Windows build machine I will try to document the process. Hamish ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hi, If you go the EclipseFP approach, you may have installations troubles too. In my case, it was due to having a version of GHC and libraries that EclipseFP doesn't like. Once I got it to work, I loved it. David. 2013/8/8 Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com: Hi, I understood what's wrong about my approach - and since I want to use an IDE to assist me, I will try both EclipseFP and Sublime Text, to see how that works. My feeling was that since the leksah website suggested that cabal is the way to do it and since when I search for a Haskell IDE that is it, then it was obvious that the recommended way doesn't work as it should. In my mind the platform was broken, I understand now that it's not the platform, just this special way of using it. I was also in awe of the fact that nobody really says anything about these difficulties, and felt like an estranged child that messed things up badly; however, it seems that the real issue is that nobody really does it that way, and I was wrong to actually try it like that. As I said (or haven't, but will) once I will get the hang of it I will recount my experience for others to follow, hopefully in better terms than this frustrating first experience. Many thanks for everyone's advice on the list, Dorin On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dorin, I don't understand your claims. 1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci. I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files. 2) if you want an IDE experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. 3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out! cheers On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the automated requests). My answers are inlined. 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do this by default. So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am productive in the language. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal. In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that works. But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for Windows is not mature enough yet. That is something I can understand, and I can recommend other beginners to install a Linux VM for Haskell. That is perfectly fine, zero cost, 100% gain. However, the mistakes from the Haskell Platform as it is now on Windows should be pointed out, and although I've been called a mystical animal that
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
For those who want to be productive rather than talkative masoquists (thus said with all my love ;)), there are windows installers for Leksah and they work perfectly well. 2013/8/9 David Virebayre dav.vire+hask...@gmail.com Hi, If you go the EclipseFP approach, you may have installations troubles too. In my case, it was due to having a version of GHC and libraries that EclipseFP doesn't like. Once I got it to work, I loved it. David. 2013/8/8 Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com: Hi, I understood what's wrong about my approach - and since I want to use an IDE to assist me, I will try both EclipseFP and Sublime Text, to see how that works. My feeling was that since the leksah website suggested that cabal is the way to do it and since when I search for a Haskell IDE that is it, then it was obvious that the recommended way doesn't work as it should. In my mind the platform was broken, I understand now that it's not the platform, just this special way of using it. I was also in awe of the fact that nobody really says anything about these difficulties, and felt like an estranged child that messed things up badly; however, it seems that the real issue is that nobody really does it that way, and I was wrong to actually try it like that. As I said (or haven't, but will) once I will get the hang of it I will recount my experience for others to follow, hopefully in better terms than this frustrating first experience. Many thanks for everyone's advice on the list, Dorin On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dorin, I don't understand your claims. 1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci. I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files. 2) if you want an IDE experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. 3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out! cheers On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the automated requests). My answers are inlined. 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do this by default. So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am productive in the language. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal. In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that works. But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Mihai Maruseac mihai.marus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but it seems he has some problems with registration. Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. I don’t agree with too many of its conclusions and its description of Cabal is perhaps not up to date with current idioms and recommended practice —it was, after all, written three years ago—, but this article[1] did help me understand the relevant issues when I had similar thoughts. Specifically, I don’t think it’s a good idea to rely on the distribution’s package manager for Haskell packages —mostly a non‐issue in Windows, of course—, so I would disregard that suggestion; many good reasons for this are spelled out in great detail in Albert Lai’s SICP[2]. I have no doubt that the complexity of these issues discourages beginners unfamiliar with Haskell development, having gone through this myself, but these really are difficult problems with no generally accepted ideal solution. Other development environments will happily install packages with a much higher probability of breaking at runtime, and the general doctrine of static correctness guarantees espoused by this community brings only as much complexity as it does reliability. A tradeoff, as everything, with the unfortunate consequence, as always, of bringing discomfort to beginners. “Avoid success at all costs”, was it? [1]: http://ivanmiljenovic.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/repeat-after-me-cabal-is-not-a-package-manager/ [2]: http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/sicp.xhtml ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
While your friend is wrong to blame haskell on his leksah installation problems i think the culprit here is the leksah web site. It misinforms users saying that leksah runs on windows. It's like Blizzard saying Diablo 3 runs on linux because there are reports of linux users successfully running Diablo 3 with wine and some winetricks wodoo. Leksah is a linux program intented to run on linux. You can (in some cases) successfully install and run it on windows, but you would need to go through certain steps installing some unrelated to windows software (gtk etc) I would recommend leksah maintainers to change the language on their website to prevent future problems like this. Currently the only more or less full featured haskell IDEs legitimately running on windows are EclipseFP and perhaps abandoned VS plugin. On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:18:51 PM UTC-7, Mihai Maruseac wrote: Hello, A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but it seems he has some problems with registration. Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. -- MM All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list haskel...@haskell.org javascript: http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hey Dorin, I don't understand your claims. 1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci. I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files. 2) if you want an IDE experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. 3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out! cheers On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the automated requests). My answers are inlined. 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do this by default. So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am productive in the language. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal. In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that works. But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for Windows is not mature enough yet. That is something I can understand, and I can recommend other beginners to install a Linux VM for Haskell. That is perfectly fine, zero cost, 100% gain. However, the mistakes from the Haskell Platform as it is now on Windows should be pointed out, and although I've been called a mystical animal that wants only free support, I think what I had in that blog post was actually a bug report for the people that can actually add 1+1 to make 2 when it comes to the Haskell Platform for Windows. Surely, I was harsh. But that's the first experience of a beginner with Haskell, and I chose to contribute my experience to people more knowledgeable instead of shutting up and hiding the dust under the rug. Many thanks, Dorin ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hi, I understood what's wrong about my approach - and since I want to use an IDE to assist me, I will try both EclipseFP and Sublime Text, to see how that works. My feeling was that since the leksah website suggested that cabal is the way to do it and since when I search for a Haskell IDE that is it, then it was obvious that the recommended way doesn't work as it should. In my mind the platform was broken, I understand now that it's not the platform, just this special way of using it. I was also in awe of the fact that nobody really says anything about these difficulties, and felt like an estranged child that messed things up badly; however, it seems that the real issue is that nobody really does it that way, and I was wrong to actually try it like that. As I said (or haven't, but will) once I will get the hang of it I will recount my experience for others to follow, hopefully in better terms than this frustrating first experience. Many thanks for everyone's advice on the list, Dorin On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dorin, I don't understand your claims. 1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci. I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files. 2) if you want an IDE experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. 3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out! cheers On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the automated requests). My answers are inlined. 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do this by default. So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am productive in the language. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal. In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that works. But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for Windows is not mature enough yet. That is something I can understand, and I can recommend other beginners to install a Linux VM for Haskell. That is perfectly fine, zero cost, 100% gain. However, the mistakes from the Haskell Platform as it is now on Windows should be pointed out, and although I've been called a mystical animal that wants only free support, I think what I had in that blog post was actually a bug report for the people that can actually add 1+1 to make 2 when it comes to the Haskell Platform for Windows. Surely, I was harsh. But that's the first experience of a beginner with Haskell, and I
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: I was also in awe of the fact that nobody really says anything about these difficulties, and felt like an estranged child that messed things up badly; however, it seems that the real issue is that nobody really does it that way, and I was wrong to actually try it like that. There's nothing wrong with trying that -- it's a very common temptation for developers coming from other languages. I use Eclipse extensively when writing Java, for the reason's you've mentioned and I was dissapointed when I couldn't find anything similar for Haskell, unfortunately, there still just isn't such an IDE for Haskell yet. Leskah, EclipseFP, FP Haskell Center, etc... are starting points, but they are still lacking in some areas. I think most of us just use a (relatively fancy) text editor, and cabal (or cabal-dev, cab, capri, etc...). You're not likely to find features like refactoring tools or content assist in an easy-to-install Haskell environment right now. --Rogan As I said (or haven't, but will) once I will get the hang of it I will recount my experience for others to follow, hopefully in better terms than this frustrating first experience. Many thanks for everyone's advice on the list, Dorin On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dorin, I don't understand your claims. 1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci. I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files. 2) if you want an IDE experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. 3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out! cheers On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar dorin.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the automated requests). My answers are inlined. 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do this by default. So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am productive in the language. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal. In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that works. But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for Windows is not mature enough yet. That is something I can understand, and I can recommend other beginners to install a Linux VM for Haskell. That is perfectly fine, zero cost, 100% gain. However, the mistakes from the Haskell Platform as it
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On 2013-Aug-08, Vagif Verdi and/or a Mail User Agent wrote: ... Leksah is a linux program intented to run on linux. You can (in some cases) successfully install and run it on windows, but you would need to go through certain steps installing some unrelated to windows software (gtk etc) ... GTK and its (non-Haskell) dependencies seem to be the tricky part. I found the instructions for installing Gtk2hs on Windows http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Gtk2Hs/Installation#Windows a bit sketchy, so wrote a blog post with more detailed instructions: http://spottedmetal.blogspot.com/2013/07/setting-up-haskell-gtk-development.html I normally work with Linux; Windows experts could probably make some improvements in my procedures. Greg -- Gregory D. Weber, Ph. D. http://mypage.iu.edu/~gdweber/ Associate Professor of InformaticsTel (765) 973-8420 Indiana University East FAX (765) 973-8550 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
On 13-08-07 01:18 AM, Mihai Maruseac wrote: Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. To learn Haskell on Windows, and with Haskell Platform already installed, it is very easy and KISS to just add a text editor (even notepad will do for a while), and start experimenting using ghci. Haskell Platform is not cripplied. The next Windows user may find it just fine. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hello Mihai, you bring up 2 unrelated questions, i'll address them seperately 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). cheers -Carter On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Mihai Maruseac mihai.marus...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but it seems he has some problems with registration. Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. -- MM All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hello all, Thanks for your replies, I've relayed them to my acquaintance. Though he still doesn't understand that he's at fault for demanding the unreasonable. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Carter Schonwald carter.schonw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Mihai, you bring up 2 unrelated questions, i'll address them seperately 1) Leksah should not be considered an official haskell ide, but merely one of many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres probably a handful of folks who do use it. Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof. 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine). cheers -Carter On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Mihai Maruseac mihai.marus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but it seems he has some problems with registration. Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. -- MM All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- MM All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows
Hello, A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but it seems he has some problems with registration. Anyway, he blogged about his problems at http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure that we can work on fixing some of them. -- MM All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
