Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Jeremy Shaw wrote:
I would be especially neat if there was some way to embed the .tex
source in the .pdf, so that you could later extract the source from
the .pdf and rebuild it. This is probably not officially supported by
.pdf, but I bet it can be done. Perhaps by creating a hidden section
and a bit of javascript. Ideally you would just add:
\usepackage{embedsource}
into your .tex and it would automatically do it for you.
Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can
regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no?
Peter
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Hi Peter, Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no? Building a .tex file can be rather hard with packages and what-not, plus quite a few of us use lhst2tex as a preprocessor. It's not impossible, but its not trivial either, and I can't imagine that anyone would use a .tex over a PDF. If there is a much better format than PDF as generated by the standard class files, it should be the authors creating it, not other people post-processing the tex. Thanks Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
You are completely right, 99% of the people will read the PDF, in exactly the same sense that Windows users prefer to download an installable EXE instead of building from source. But nobody here will argue that the *option* to build from source is useful no? So I don't see why this would not apply to compiling tex files into PDF. But I don't know anything about tex, so I can't really say. I'm using Microsoft Word, shame on me! Yes, I really should learn LaTeX though, because writing a lot of math equations in Word is tiresome... Hi Peter, Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no? Building a .tex file can be rather hard with packages and what-not, plus quite a few of us use lhst2tex as a preprocessor. It's not impossible, but its not trivial either, and I can't imagine that anyone would use a .tex over a PDF. If there is a much better format than PDF as generated by the standard class files, it should be the authors creating it, not other people post-processing the tex. Thanks Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Hi Peter, Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no? Building a .tex file can be rather hard with packages and what-not, plus quite a few of us use lhst2tex as a preprocessor. It's not impossible, but its not trivial either, and I can't imagine that anyone would use a .tex over a PDF. I would prefer the .tex version any day! Why not have both versions. Cheers, Paul ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Building a .tex file can be rather hard with packages and what-not, plus quite a few of us use lhst2tex as a preprocessor. It's not impossible, but its not trivial either, and I can't imagine that anyone would use a .tex over a PDF. I would prefer the .tex version any day! Why not have both versions. Yeah, me too. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
also, Latex source code is 100% accessible to screen reader users. Paul You are completely right, 99% of the people will read the PDF, in exactly the same sense that Windows users prefer to download an installable EXE instead of building from source. But nobody here will argue that the *option* to build from source is useful no? So I don't see why this would not apply to compiling tex files into PDF. But I don't know anything about tex, so I can't really say. I'm using Microsoft Word, shame on me! Yes, I really should learn LaTeX though, because writing a lot of math equations in Word is tiresome... Hi Peter, Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no? Building a .tex file can be rather hard with packages and what-not, plus quite a few of us use lhst2tex as a preprocessor. It's not impossible, but its not trivial either, and I can't imagine that anyone would use a .tex over a PDF. If there is a much better format than PDF as generated by the standard class files, it should be the authors creating it, not other people post-processing the tex. Thanks Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Christopher L Conway wrote: style is attached (I'm sure many on the list already have it), in case Peter is feeling brave. Note that the ACM has several different I'm feeling brave but tired ;-) Besides I'm spending all of my free time learning Haskell! :) I don't know tex at all, I just wanted to mention the unfortunate fact that people with bad eyes (or tired eyes, like mine) might have problems (well at least I have) reading this standard format. I did some Googling, and at first sight http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-pdftex/2006-May/002213.html (but my sight is not that good ;-) creating a reflowable PDF from tex is not obvious. But it would already help a lot if instead of having two columns per page, we just had a single column, with less space between the margins, and using a 2x larger font. That can't be that hard I guess? Peter Well, I would Christopher L Conway wrote: On Nov 19, 2007 2:57 PM, Neil Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, Although this is standard, it is not really accessible for people with people with bad vision, who prefer larger fonts. When you print this, the fonts are rather small. For those people, a reflowable PDF would make much more sense, so they can choose how big the fonts are on screen paper. It is the standard for ACM workshops and conferences, which includes ICFP and Haskell Workshop. All these PDF's are produced from a standard Latex class file. If you wrote to people expressing this, and did whatever magic is required to make the class file produce both the current format and a reflowable PDF, you might get somewhere. Neil, The person responsible for this at the ACM is Gerry Murray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). He has been extremely responsive in the past when I have had problems with the class file. The standard ACM conference style is attached (I'm sure many on the list already have it), in case Peter is feeling brave. Note that the ACM has several different formats (e.g., journal vs. conference) and they would all need to be updated. Chris ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
At Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:10:38 +0100, Peter Verswyvelen wrote: Yes, but why don't researchers just publish their TEX file? You can regard that as the source code for generating PDF/PS whatever no? Yes. but things have a way of getting lost. The primary advantage to embedding the data is you won't end up with the just .pdf and no way to reproduce it. As Neil points out, it is also only useful if the embedded data is includes all the information needed to recreate the final .pdf -- which could make things trickier -- and greatly increase the size of the .pdf. Oh well. j. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Peter Verswyvelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most research papers have the same layout: two columns per A4 page. They mostly come as PDF or PS. I think it is (more and more) common these days for journals to publish an HTML version on their web site. Otherwise I'd suggest e-mailing the author and asking for a single-column version (or whatever you need), or at least LaTeX sources or other editable version. -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
At Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:57:14 +,
Neil Mitchell wrote:
All these PDF's are produced from a standard Latex class file. For
all my papers I have the original source .tex files. I suspect
you'll have more luck going from the original .tex rather than the
PDF.
I would be especially neat if there was some way to embed the .tex
source in the .pdf, so that you could later extract the source from
the .pdf and rebuild it. This is probably not officially supported by
.pdf, but I bet it can be done. Perhaps by creating a hidden section
and a bit of javascript. Ideally you would just add:
\usepackage{embedsource}
into your .tex and it would automatically do it for you.
j.
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[Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Most research papers have the same layout: two columns per A4 page. They mostly come as PDF or PS. Although this is standard, it is not really accessible for people with people with bad vision, who prefer larger fonts. When you print this, the fonts are rather small. For those people, a reflowable PDF would make much more sense, so they can choose how big the fonts are on screen paper. Also, some of the new epaper devices, such as the Sony Reader or IRex, don't really support the format of these research papers (they become unreadable). Do any of you have ideas how to convert a two column per page PDF/PS to a single larger column per page, and maybe even reflowable PDF? Thanks, Peter ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Hi Peter, Although this is standard, it is not really accessible for people with people with bad vision, who prefer larger fonts. When you print this, the fonts are rather small. For those people, a reflowable PDF would make much more sense, so they can choose how big the fonts are on screen paper. It is the standard for ACM workshops and conferences, which includes ICFP and Haskell Workshop. All these PDF's are produced from a standard Latex class file. If you wrote to people expressing this, and did whatever magic is required to make the class file produce both the current format and a reflowable PDF, you might get somewhere. Do any of you have ideas how to convert a two column per page PDF/PS to a single larger column per page, and maybe even reflowable PDF? For all my papers I have the original source .tex files. If you know how to convert them into reflowable PDF's (or any other format that is suitable for people with disabilities) I'm happy to hand them over. I suspect you'll have more luck going from the original .tex rather than the PDF. Thanks Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] More accessible papers
Why don't you typeset the whole thing in Latex. That way you'll definitely ensure accessibility. Cheers Paul At 19:43 19/11/2007, you wrote: Most research papers have the same layout: two columns per A4 page. They mostly come as PDF or PS. Although this is standard, it is not really accessible for people with people with bad vision, who prefer larger fonts. When you print this, the fonts are rather small. For those people, a reflowable PDF would make much more sense, so they can choose how big the fonts are on screen paper. Also, some of the new epaper devices, such as the Sony Reader or IRex, don't really support the format of these research papers (they become unreadable). Do any of you have ideas how to convert a two column per page PDF/PS to a single larger column per page, and maybe even reflowable PDF? Thanks, Peter ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
