Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Steve Schafer st...@fenestra.com wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:38:49 -0700, you wrote: * The difference between genders is smaller than the difference between individuals If only people would understand and accept the near-universality of this: The difference between any group you want to discriminate against and any group you want to discriminate in favor of is smaller than the difference between individuals. Oh, come now, near-universality? There are millions of obvious counter-examples. (For example, the difference in running ability between people who are paralyzed from the neck down, and people who aren't, should be readily apparent.) I like the spirit of your idea, but let's be realistic here. -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:38:49 -0700, you wrote: * The difference between genders is smaller than the difference between individuals If only people would understand and accept the near-universality of this: The difference between any group you want to discriminate against and any group you want to discriminate in favor of is smaller than the difference between individuals. -Steve Schafer ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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What's evil in being different? I only see here a form of discrimination that i can label as inherentely sexist and/elitist/or racist: the assumption that certain habilities, the normally associated historically whith men are worth to have and good, and whoever hasn´t them is worth to be discriminated. while the traditionally associated with women, some of the unique, are for slaves. 2010/3/29 Steve Schafer st...@fenestra.com On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:38:49 -0700, you wrote: * The difference between genders is smaller than the difference between individuals If only people would understand and accept the near-universality of this: The difference between any group you want to discriminate against and any group you want to discriminate in favor of is smaller than the difference between individuals. -Steve Schafer ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:32:57 +0200, you wrote: What's evil in being different? The point is that people use _generic_ differences as a rationale for discrimination against _individuals_. For example, in the US, it has, until recently, been used as an argument against female firefighters, because women, in general, have less upper-body strength than men, and are therefore less able to manage the equipment used. But there are, of course, plenty of women who have upper-body strength significantly above average, as well as men whose upper-body strength is well below average. So the appropriate basis for discrimination is, Do you have the strength to manage the equipment? rather than Are you a man or a woman? So yes, there are generic differences between As and Bs (whatever categories A and B may represent), but that should not be used as a rationale for discrimination against individual As or Bs, because there is nearly always substantial overlap between the categories in whatever criterion it is that you're measuring. -Steve Schafer ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Leon Smith leon.p.sm...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote: For some reason it started out as a male dominated field. Let's assume for cultural reasons. Once it became a male dominated field, us males unknowingly made the work and learning environments somewhat hostile or unattractive to women. I bet I would feel out of place if I were the only male in a class of 100 women. Is this really true? I've heard rumors that in the early days of programming, that women were in the majority, or at least they represented a much greater proportion of programmers than they do now. I seem to recall that this started to change sometime in the 60s. One thing I observed of the Computer Science Tripos in Cambridge was that the absolute number of women doing the course didn't change much, but the size of the course increased over the years. This suggests that men went into it because it was trendy, but for the most part women went into it because they found it interesting (and the proportion of women in the general population who find it interesting was roughly constant). This was twenty years ago, and I don't know if the subsequent data supports the hypothesis. Another (provocative) observation is that most of the women programmers I've known were good at it and thought they might not be, but most of the men claimed to be good at it but were not. -- Jón Fairbairn jon.fairba...@cl.cam.ac.uk http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2009-01-31) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On 27/03/2010 21:27, Günther Schmidt wrote: Hi guys (and I mean it), so, in short, no female haskellers ... Bare one which sent me an email directly, but it looks like she's not ready to come out of the closet yet. And those of us already named for you. And there're a few others around - my girlfriend dabbles, though she's not on the list. You might want to wait until after the weekend too. Assuming anyone else can be bothered to reply, that is. Not everyone wants to come display themselves on demand. -- fli...@flippac.org ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Dear Philippa, display themselves on demand is putting it rather harshly don't you think? I pretty much injected my previous email back into the thread because I felt I asked a simple question and find that people are getting a bit carried away. I am for instance quite certain that Lady Ada Lovelace is not subscribed to this list. To me the question was non-controversial or so I thought but it seems to have stirred quite a bit of passionate responses. (For which I merely do not wish to be blamed). I agree though that concluding there are no female haskellers on this list was premature and promise to exercise more patience. Best regards Günther Am 28.03.10 15:10, schrieb Philippa Cowderoy: On 27/03/2010 21:27, Günther Schmidt wrote: Hi guys (and I mean it), so, in short, no female haskellers ... Bare one which sent me an email directly, but it looks like she's not ready to come out of the closet yet. And those of us already named for you. And there're a few others around - my girlfriend dabbles, though she's not on the list. You might want to wait until after the weekend too. Assuming anyone else can be bothered to reply, that is. Not everyone wants to come display themselves on demand. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
2010/3/28 Günther Schmidt gue.schm...@web.de Dear Philippa, display themselves on demand is putting it rather harshly don't you think? In the context of an existing, lengthy discussion that displays the ignorance of some of its participants, no. I could easily see reading the discussion thus far and deciding to take the path of least resistance and keep quiet. It's worth noting the following study, which received quite a bit of media attention: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8801.abstract This argues that gender differences in math performance vary among cultures, and that differences in math performance are thus more likely cultural rather than genetic. Discussions of the study often mention that fact that previous work citing evidence for innateness of ability tended to focus on participants with a shared cultural background. A relatively recent article in CACM made much the same point for CS; particularly noteworthy to me is the rather different proportion of undergrad CS majors in different countries (the US is particularly low): http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1461928.1461947coll=portaldl=ACMidx=J79part=magazineWantType=Magazinestitle=Communications -Jan-Willem Maessen ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Am 28. März 2010 07:15 schrieb Jan-Willem Maessen jmaes...@alum.mit.edu: A relatively recent article in CACM made much the same point for CS; particularly noteworthy to me is the rather different proportion of undergrad CS majors in different countries (the US is particularly low): http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1461928.1461947coll=portaldl=ACMidx=J79part=magazineWantType=Magazinestitle=Communications I believe this is the same article, available free of charge: http://www.cs.umass.edu/~lfriedl/tmp/cacm-2009-02-womenInCS.pdf The relative rates of graduation are on the first and second pages. -- Jason Dusek ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, G?nther Schmidt wrote display themselves on demand is putting it rather harshly don't you think? No. The women in our community are not required to come forth as witnesses on what it's like to be women in our community. They most likely do not want to be under a magnifying glass, do not want to be exposed to harrasment, and would not actually be qualified to personally represent all other women in the community. They do not want to be held up as community ornaments. If you're wondering how I know what women in our community want -- I don't. I'm just paraphrasing things that women in this situation have repeatedly said, and yet, somehow, gone unheard. It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who did not volunteer for this. # I think we have some work to do to make the haskell community inclusive. One thing that I keep hearing is I'm not trying to be offensive. I think it's easy to get caught up on not being offensive so that we don't make any progress. It's impossible not to offend people -- but it is possible to take the time to listen and correct problematic behavior and communicate what you've learned to others. It is, however, not necessary to speculate on why there are few women in the community. A great deal has already been written on the topic, particularly on the Geek Feminism blog, which I already mentioned, and also by the debian-women team. http://geekfeminism.org/ http://women.debian.org/home/ There is also a paper (click the link to the PDF) by the AAUW. http://www.aauw.org/research/whysofew.cfm By the way, there is a fun test that can identify a subconscious tendency to categorize math, engineering and the hard sciences according to gender. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ Click on the Demonstrations link and take the Gender-Science IAT. It's important that people who want to make our community more inclusive speak up, and that we challenge assumptions or statements that work against inclusivity. This is not about protecting women -- it is about making it clear that someone who makes a sexist statement does not represent us, and it's about teaching those fellow haskellers who will listen to be better citizens. Someone mentioned reddit. The haskell community has a considerable presence on reddit, but reddit has a reputation for hard misogyny. As of this morning, the haskell.org main page is three easy clicks from an adult web site (haskell.org - haskell subreddit - reddit main page - whatever is there). This is probably not sending the right message. Please, try to take the time to study the above reasources and apply them to the benefit of our community. Friendly, --Lane ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Dear Christopher, Am 28.03.10 18:11, schrieb Christopher Lane Hinson: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, G?nther Schmidt wrote display themselves on demand is putting it rather harshly don't you think? No. The women in our community are not required to come forth as witnesses on what it's like to be women in our community. They most likely do not want to be under a magnifying glass, do not want to be exposed to harrasment, and would not actually be qualified to personally represent all other women in the community. They do not want to be held up as community ornaments. I wish to clarify here: I don't recall writing in my initial email Female Haskellers I demand you identify yourselves. So I took offense on the suggestion I did so. If you're wondering how I know what women in our community want -- I don't. I'm just paraphrasing things that women in this situation have repeatedly said, and yet, somehow, gone unheard. Do not worry, I wasn't. It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who did not volunteer for this. Do suggest I did so? I don't recall mentioning anyone by name. # I think we have some work to do to make the haskell community inclusive. Possibly so, but until now I have no indication that it's not, could you elaborate where you see a problem? Also I personally don't do community thingies, I'm just not that kind of person. I'm not sure about haskell-community. I mean I like haskell, am interested in it, appreciate being in contact with people who do likewise but community? I don't remember signing up or pledging allegiance. One thing that I keep hearing is I'm not trying to be offensive. I think it's easy to get caught up on not being offensive so that we don't make any progress. It's impossible not to offend people -- but it is possible to take the time to listen and correct problematic behavior and communicate what you've learned to others. One thing I do notice, one starts with a harmless question and it out of the blue it suddenly becomes political. In both ways. Is there really a need for this? Best regards Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who did not volunteer for this. Do suggest I did so? I don't recall mentioning anyone by name. No, you didn't. That was someone else. I like haskell, am interested in it, appreciate being in contact with people who do That's the haskell community pledge of allegiance, right there. Congratulations, you wrote it! One thing I do notice, one starts with a harmless question and it out of the blue it suddenly becomes political. In both ways. Is there really a need for this? Yes, because what may be a harmless abstract question to you may directly affect someone else's day-to-day life. Try to learn from people in these situations, even if you are frustrated by them. Friendly, --Lane ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Am 28.03.10 18:51, schrieb Christopher Lane Hinson: It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who did not volunteer for this. Do suggest I did so? I don't recall mentioning anyone by name. No, you didn't. That was someone else. I like haskell, am interested in it, appreciate being in contact with people who do That's the haskell community pledge of allegiance, right there. Congratulations, you wrote it! Oh dear what was I getting myself into when I subscribed :) One thing I do notice, one starts with a harmless question and it out of the blue it suddenly becomes political. In both ways. Is there really a need for this? Yes, because what may be a harmless abstract question to you may directly affect someone else's day-to-day life. Try to learn from people in these situations, even if you are frustrated by them. This is definately a point where we will continue to disagree. I found myself assuming that there are no female haskellers and wanted to verify it by asking for data. At such a point, while the facts where not even yet established I had not even thought about interpretations, cause or implications, I started from scratch. I am not a scientist but believe that this approach broadly qualified as a scientific one. Well yes I know that science is not popular with everyone. So I continue to think that some responses where disproportionate, a point to think about in itself. Best regards Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
2010/3/28 Günther Schmidt gue.schm...@web.de: This is definately a point where we will continue to disagree. I found myself assuming that there are no female haskellers and wanted to verify it by asking for data. So what exactly is off-topic for this list? Is unsubscribing from the list the only option to get rid of this kind of utter nonsense posts that contain absolutely zero valuable discussion on _Haskell_? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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2010/3/28 Pekka Enberg penb...@cs.helsinki.fi: 2010/3/28 Günther Schmidt gue.schm...@web.de: This is definately a point where we will continue to disagree. I found myself assuming that there are no female haskellers and wanted to verify it by asking for data. So what exactly is off-topic for this list? Is unsubscribing from the list the only option to get rid of this kind of utter nonsense posts that contain absolutely zero valuable discussion on _Haskell_? It sounds like you are complaining because people are not talking about what you want them to be talking about. This will happen in large groups. Use a decent mail reader so that such nonsense posts are only one keypress away from the garbage. Luke ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
2010/3/28 Pekka Enberg penb...@cs.helsinki.fi 2010/3/28 Günther Schmidt gue.schm...@web.de: This is definately a point where we will continue to disagree. I found myself assuming that there are no female haskellers and wanted to verify it by asking for data. So what exactly is off-topic for this list? Is unsubscribing from the list the only option to get rid of this kind of utter nonsense posts that contain absolutely zero valuable discussion on _Haskell_? My personal interpretation of this list is that it is for discussions that are potentially interesting to haskell programmers for one of several reasons, including but not limited to a) it's about haskell; Or, b) it's about the haskell community. I would say that this discussion is quite beneficial to the latter category. One of the things that makes Haskell special to me is how thoughtful and inclusive the community was when I discovered it. I would love it see it become more gender inclusive also. And as Luke Palmer suggests, perhaps you can ignore/filter these discussions that you do not enjoy :) Thanks, Jason ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:14:44PM -0700, Jason Dagit wrote: And as Luke Palmer suggests, perhaps you can ignore/filter these discussions that you do not enjoy :) Or just unsubscribe, like I did. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Hi Luke, On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Luke Palmer lrpal...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds like you are complaining because people are not talking about what you want them to be talking about. This will happen in large groups. Luke Palmer wrote: It sounds like you are complaining because people are not talking about what you want them to be talking about. This will happen in large groups. No, that's not the problem here at all. I don't have any expectations on what people should talk about and am fairly capable in filtering out discussions I am interested in. However, I did assume this was a mostly _technical_ list on _Haskell_ not a list to hold discussions on utterly pointless babbling about Haskell and gender or Haskell and sexual orientation. I mean, I see enough trolling on the other mailing lists I am subscribed to and have absolutely no interest in filling my inbox with this noise. So again: is this discussion on-topic or not? The official description here: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Mailing_lists seems to suggest it's not: Try to keep discussions on-topic. Threads that have lost any relevance to the Haskell language should be moved elsewhere, including tangential or joking posts (though humor in the context of on-topic discussion is welcome.) Pekka ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:35:04PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:14:44PM -0700, Jason Dagit wrote: And as Luke Palmer suggests, perhaps you can ignore/filter these discussions that you do not enjoy :) Or just unsubscribe, like I did. Tell the truth. You only unsubscribed when you saw me post. ;-) -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchand...@stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Jon Fairbairn wrote: Another (provocative) observation is that most of the women programmers I've known were good at it and thought they might not be, but most of the men claimed to be good at it but were not. I've observed this too, but it's a bit droll. Let: p = proportion of people who think they're good but aren't q = proportion who think they're not good but are M = number of men in CS W = number of women in CS Given that M W, we'll naturally find that p*M q*W if p and q are even remotely comparable, regardless of whether p and q are independent of gender or not. -- Live well, ~wren ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote: Jon Fairbairn wrote: Another (provocative) observation is that most of the women programmers I've known were good at it and thought they might not be, but most of the men claimed to be good at it but were not. I've observed this too, but it's a bit droll. Let: p = proportion of people who think they're good but aren't q = proportion who think they're not good but are M = number of men in CS W = number of women in CS Given that M W, we'll naturally find that p*M q*W if p and q are even remotely comparable, regardless of whether p and q are independent of gender or not. I recall going to a PhD defense several years ago about gender differences in computer science. The dissertation is here: http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/dspace/bitstream/1957/4954/1/FinalVersion.pdf A few take-away points I recall from the defense: * The difference between genders is smaller than the difference between individuals * In spreadsheet debugging tasks, women would rate their confidence lower than men * In spreadsheet debugging tasks, women would do at least as well as men (often better) * Men were more likely to jump right in without reading the instructions * Women were more likely to read the instructions and try to understand the task before starting it It's entirely possible that the cases where the women performed significantly better than the men it was largely because they took the time to read the instructions. Otherwise, it seemed like the difference in self-assessed confidence was bigger than any gender difference in measurable performance. In other words, approaches and confidence varied by gender more than results. Also, I might be completely misquoting the results. Best to read the dissertation for yourself if you find the topic interesting. Jason ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Günther Schmidt wrote: One thing that I keep hearing is I'm not trying to be offensive. I think it's easy to get caught up on not being offensive so that we don't make any progress. It's impossible not to offend people -- but it is possible to take the time to listen and correct problematic behavior and communicate what you've learned to others. One thing I do notice, one starts with a harmless question and it out of the blue it suddenly becomes political. In both ways. Is there really a need for this? Trying to offend (or not) bears no particular relation to causing offense (or not). In particular, claiming you weren't trying to offend is itself likely to offend many feminists. To understand why you should read through http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ Not that you were intending to derail, but because derailing is a fact of social interaction which intentional communities must defend against. Dealing with derailing and similar issues is a fact of life for feminists. And all the women I know in CS or mathematics count themselves as feminists. Your harmless question was, by its very nature, a political question because it touches upon many issues about the presence and role of women within society (the HCafe society in particular). The harmless question gave license to others to make misogynistic comments on this thread, comments you'd now like to distance yourself from accepting culpability for. If the question was really so harmless, surely you wouldn't be so keen to distance yourself from the responses it created. -- Live well, ~wren ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Jason Dagit wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote: Jon Fairbairn wrote: Another (provocative) observation is that most of the women programmers I've known were good at it and thought they might not be, but most of the men claimed to be good at it but were not. I've observed this too, but it's a bit droll. Let: p = proportion of people who think they're good but aren't q = proportion who think they're not good but are M = number of men in CS W = number of women in CS Given that M W, we'll naturally find that p*M q*W if p and q are even remotely comparable, regardless of whether p and q are independent of gender or not. I recall going to a PhD defense several years ago about gender differences in computer science. The dissertation is here: http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/dspace/bitstream/1957/4954/1/FinalVersion.pdf A few take-away points I recall from the defense: Oh sure :) I was merely stating that the null hypothesis is sufficient to account for the observations made. (As it almost always is for psycho/social studies of gender.) There's also an interesting result that there's an inverse correlation between actual skill and claimed skill (regardless of the particular skill, and AKAIR regardless of gender). But surely this discussion is more appropriate to cognitive-c...@haskell.org -- Live well, ~wren ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Alberto G. Corona agocorona at gmail.com writes: Hope that this cold answer don't end this funny thread ;( Those concerned with Haskellers to Haskellinas ration can always employ this technique: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm Any volunteers? :) -- Gracjan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
Hi guys (and I mean it), so, in short, no female haskellers ... Bare one which sent me an email directly, but it looks like she's not ready to come out of the closet yet. Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
