Re: First ever GSL Technical Report (ALFs)
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 03:45:18AM -0500, Mike Marchywka wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00:31PM -0500, Liam Healy wrote: > >This thread seems relevant; as of 2015 or so, the answer was "most > > probably not": > > > > [https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/issues/132#issuecomment-164936220]https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/ > >issues/132#issuecomment-164936220 > >and if you scroll all the way to the bottom through many "any updates on > > this?" postings, > >you'll see postings from a few days ago saying basically nothing's > > changed. > >I just checked some of my papers on Zenodo, and none came up in GS. I went to google scolar and typed in "zenodo" and after the papers ABOUT Zenodo there seemed to be several that are on Zenodo. As it seems to be affiliated with CERN, it has all the right credentials. However, GS may curate them by some unknown rules. Their DOI url will redirect to their zenodo web pages but apparently can not be used to get the bibtex info without scraping the Zenodo site. Most publishers make the citation info available through crossref making it easier to cite from a DOI. However, as I search for click-through tracking, the DOI url's make a natural as they all go to the same domain and right now their server does not seem to mind a made up query string. So, if you want their server to know the work that created your curiosity, you could make your bibliography contain DOI links with your DOI in the query string - then you just need to get them to count and disseminate the results :) > > I started using researchgate and academia.edu a couple years ago and monitored > GS indexing. Most of these come up a week or so after posting but > they may curate them hard to know, > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka > > Again, researchgate generates a DOI but I'm not sure it is useful > for getting bibliographic information since neither it nor the one > I checked from Zenodo worked with crossref. > > Googgle Scholar does have a way to generate bibtex from an indexed result > but last time I looked it was very terse or incomplete. When I find hits > on GS I don't use their cite facilities but put the link into Toobib > ( others may use Zotero ). In any case, once a document is downloaded > you may still want to cite it but I don't see anyone other than myself > advocating a method to include machine readable citation information. > Also there is another annoyance in the lack of being able to know > when a document generates interest as with a user clicking on a > bibliographic citation. I'm working on a modifying bibliographies > in documents I gnerate to put a doc identifier ( maybe a DOI when > a useful one exists ) in the query string so a server could > attribute the click to the work. Or, maybe do as google does > and wrap the entire URL into a central passthrough server > so it can cound the clicks before redirecting to the > real location :) > > > >On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Marchywka > > <[mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Liam Healy wrote: > > > I suggest archiving on Zenodo > > [https://zenodo.org/]https://zenodo.org/. This will provide > > > permanent storage and a DOI. Subsequent revisions will get their own > > DOI, > > > but there is also a generic DOI. You can even make a GSL "community" > > > [https://zenodo.org/communities/]https://zenodo.org/communities/. > > Do you know if google scholar indexes these? It looks like > > they index most of researchgate and [http://academia.edu/]academia.edu. > > Researhgate creates a DOI but apparently they don't tell "Crossref" > > about it so it is hard to cite ( if anyone know differently great). > > In any case, the output document ( usually pdf ) should have > > machine readable info in the extended information if you want > > people to easily cite it. This can be hard since you don't > > know where it is going and can't put in a url etc. The bibtex > > download software can put on the finishing touches however. > > I just took a random page, > > > > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW > > and TooBib tried to look up the DOI, > > > > [http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333]http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333 > > which returned a 404. This seems to be the right > > DOI as displayed on the page, > > February 17, 2022 > > DOI: > > 10.5281/zenodo.6126333 > > Keyword(s): > > However, toobib did find a citation using a standard method whereas > > with researchgate it is a struggle, > > % mjmhandler: toobib handleadhochtml<-citation > > % date 2022-02-17:12:07:12 Thu Feb 17 12:07:12 EST 2022 > > % srcurl: > >
Re: First ever GSL Technical Report (ALFs)
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00:31PM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
>This thread seems relevant; as of 2015 or so, the answer was "most
> probably not":
>
> [https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/issues/132#issuecomment-164936220]https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/
>issues/132#issuecomment-164936220
>and if you scroll all the way to the bottom through many "any updates on
> this?" postings,
>you'll see postings from a few days ago saying basically nothing's changed.
>I just checked some of my papers on Zenodo, and none came up in GS.
I started using researchgate and academia.edu a couple years ago and monitored
GS indexing. Most of these come up a week or so after posting but
they may curate them hard to know,
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka
Again, researchgate generates a DOI but I'm not sure it is useful
for getting bibliographic information since neither it nor the one
I checked from Zenodo worked with crossref.
Googgle Scholar does have a way to generate bibtex from an indexed result
but last time I looked it was very terse or incomplete. When I find hits
on GS I don't use their cite facilities but put the link into Toobib
( others may use Zotero ). In any case, once a document is downloaded
you may still want to cite it but I don't see anyone other than myself
advocating a method to include machine readable citation information.
Also there is another annoyance in the lack of being able to know
when a document generates interest as with a user clicking on a
bibliographic citation. I'm working on a modifying bibliographies
in documents I gnerate to put a doc identifier ( maybe a DOI when
a useful one exists ) in the query string so a server could
attribute the click to the work. Or, maybe do as google does
and wrap the entire URL into a central passthrough server
so it can cound the clicks before redirecting to the
real location :)
>On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Marchywka
> <[mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
> > I suggest archiving on Zenodo
> [https://zenodo.org/]https://zenodo.org/. This will provide
> > permanent storage and a DOI. Subsequent revisions will get their own
> DOI,
> > but there is also a generic DOI. You can even make a GSL "community"
> > [https://zenodo.org/communities/]https://zenodo.org/communities/.
> Do you know if google scholar indexes these? It looks like
> they index most of researchgate and [http://academia.edu/]academia.edu.
> Researhgate creates a DOI but apparently they don't tell "Crossref"
> about it so it is hard to cite ( if anyone know differently great).
> In any case, the output document ( usually pdf ) should have
> machine readable info in the extended information if you want
> people to easily cite it. This can be hard since you don't
> know where it is going and can't put in a url etc. The bibtex
> download software can put on the finishing touches however.
> I just took a random page,
>
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW
> and TooBib tried to look up the DOI,
>
> [http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333]http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333
> which returned a 404. This seems to be the right
> DOI as displayed on the page,
> February 17, 2022
> DOI:
> 10.5281/zenodo.6126333
> Keyword(s):
> However, toobib did find a citation using a standard method whereas
> with researchgate it is a struggle,
> % mjmhandler: toobib handleadhochtml<-citation
> % date 2022-02-17:12:07:12 Thu Feb 17 12:07:12 EST 2022
> % srcurl:
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
> % citeurl:
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
> @article{processeddataYangKalverla,
> X_TooBib = {date: FixBeKvp s=2022/02/17 cmd=date -f - "+%Y-%m-%d"
> d=2022-02-17 dn=date},
> X_TooBib = {year: ReWriteKvp dn=year sn=date flags=4},
> X_TooBib = {month: ReWriteKvp dn=month sn=date flags=7},
> X_TooBib = {day: ReWriteKvp dn=day sn=date flags=7},
> X_TooBib = {publisher: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=},
> X_TooBib = {journal: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=},
> X_TooBib = {urldate: FixBeKvp s= cmd=date "+%Y-%m-%d" d=2022-02-17
> dn=urldate},
> X_TooBib = {author: Liu , Yang and Kalverla , Peter and Alidoost ,
> Fakhereh and Verhoeven , Stefan and Vreede ,
> Barbara and Booth , Ben and Coppola , Erika and Nogherotto , Rita and
> Brunner , Lukas and Harris , Glen and Qasmi
> , Said and Ballinger , Andrew and Hegerl , Gabriele and McSweeney ,
> Carol and O ' Reilly , Christopher and Palmer ,
> Tamzin
