Re: [hlcoders] FileFarm - Community File Mirror Network
Doesn't sound entirely 56k friendly, though that's an awesome idea. Luckily they designed the engine to be that flexible, hey =) I'd love to see a mmorpg on the HL2 engine, though that random company that leased it doesn't sound entirely too promising, and there's no way in hell a 'mod' team could work one together :( Ah well, forcing users to upload more data then they have to will cause them to complain if they know about it, and if they don't, someone will find out and bring on the conspiracy theories. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews HoundDawg wrote: Yes, I have to agree, that WoW downloader is one of the worst solutions I've seen to date. One of the slickest file download/update systems I've seen, it he GuildWars one. The initial game download is very, very small and quick. Then, it downloads what it thinks you need just before you need it, while you are playing what has already been downloaded. Any game updates are sent in the background and are implemented while you keep playing. I really never would have believed it or liked the concept if I hadn't experienced it. Lag? I never noticed any, at all. This is coming from an MMORPG that hasn't even released yet. - HoundDawg Yea, lets have a rerun of the Blizzard downloader, where it works in the torrent scheme and you upload more then you download (which actually counts when your upload is metered [damn australia]). The whole p2p thing has most likely been discussed and it definately would cause a rather large uproar in the community. I heard somewhere that the original creator of bittorrent is working for valve now? I'm not sure how true that claim is, but aside from that, it probably wouldn't go so great for Official downloads. Sure, for mods it'd be good, but CS updates and stuff should remain on fast servers :/ And STEAM uses VGUI2 afaik.. so you won't be getting windows widgets anytime soon =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] FileFarm - Community File Mirror Network
Yea, lets have a rerun of the Blizzard downloader, where it works in the torrent scheme and you upload more then you download (which actually counts when your upload is metered [damn australia]). The whole p2p thing has most likely been discussed and it definately would cause a rather large uproar in the community. I heard somewhere that the original creator of bittorrent is working for valve now? I'm not sure how true that claim is, but aside from that, it probably wouldn't go so great for Official downloads. Sure, for mods it'd be good, but CS updates and stuff should remain on fast servers :/ And STEAM uses VGUI2 afaik.. so you won't be getting windows widgets anytime soon =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Andrew Foss wrote: Another solution can be to add a tiny HTTP webserver to steam, and able Dedicated Server to query files to my Steam app :D How about putting p2p tech in steam instead. Allow modders to create a file hosted on a machine in a special format (modname.steamdist) that has a file or list of files, servers, and CRCs. then you can distribute this small .steamdist file sort of like a .torrent file. Since steam can hook into a browser, why not add an association in Firefox/IE to let steam handle them. When steam gets one of these links, it connects to the server(s) listed in the steamdist file and downloads the file(s). You could put a single zip file on your machine, create a steamdist, and anyone who wants to download your mod can get it from you. Users can get the file from each other, and since the CRC is in place, users can be guaranteed the accuracy of the files contained. To take it a step further, remove the whole concept of server from the steamdist file. Steam will automatically connect to a main steam server and query it for faster users to link up to, to request pieces from. Valve could even push updates for their tier 1 games to some clients and use the p2p method to pass it on to others, cutting the load on the content servers. While I'm on the concept of Steam, Would it be possible for the steam client to use standard windows widgets? I like the look of windows (shock! horror!). at least make it skinnable (moreso than it is. look at Trillian, the multi-medium communication tool, or winamp...) You could also, while you're at it, make a downloaded mod listing using standard windows tree views, and put currently downloaded mods under the game in question. Users want to play Hostile intent, they expand Half-Life and double click it (side note: third party game icons... ever?) They want half-life, double click half-life. Sort by name would be lovely. (or at least being able to drag the games/mods around. Okay, so I'm a bit of a neat freak.) These are just a few items I want to see in steam, since it's passed it's teething phase. It needs some teeth now. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Finally a coding wiki!
And that makes it alright because?
- Bruce Bahamut Andrews
Ben Newell wrote:
http://www.hl2world.com/bbs/profile.php?mode=viewprofileu=2217
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:48:37 -0800, Michael Hobson
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Covert:
At 04:21 AM 12/5/2004, you wrote:
already a HL2 wiki here
http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Hl2World provides support to the stolen HL 2 codebase:
http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Creating_your_first_Faceposer_scene
Don't promote that site on Valve's list FFS.
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Re: [hlcoders] Finally a coding wiki!
http://www.hl2coding.com/wiki/ seems to be the go then, as the people
who are concerned about piracy or advocating stealing program source
code won't participate in a project that supports it...
- Bruce Bahamut Andrews
ChessMess wrote:
Well we all need to come to a concensus on one main one to use and
update, preferably hosted by someone who will be around for awhile,
*and will give someone here a backup of it every once in awhile so we
don't lose all the work in case something happens*.
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:48:37 -0800, Michael Hobson
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Covert:
At 04:21 AM 12/5/2004, you wrote:
already a HL2 wiki here
http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Hl2World provides support to the stolen HL 2 codebase:
http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Creating_your_first_Faceposer_scene
Don't promote that site on Valve's list FFS.
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Re: [hlcoders] HL2 Modding Resource @ HLFallout
That would be me, and I still love ya ;) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Dave Sanders wrote: I'll be happy to edit and contribute as I can. I'm glad someone took the ball and ran with it, after I proposed the idea then ran away and threw a temper tantrum. :) My apologies to whoever it was I was arguing with about it. Was a bad weekend all around. shuffles feet Now I'm ready to get back to business... D On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:50:48 -0700, Hasan Aljudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is that wiki ready yet? I think it's time now for a coding wiki .. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 02:04:49 +1000, Mr Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I'm the webmaster of www.hlfallout.net (a HL2 fansite). Bahamut e-mailed me about possibly starting up a wiki-type site for Half-Life 2/Source development and to post my thoughts here. We're actually already in the process of getting a site like this going (as a sub-site of HL Fallout). The planned site will be more than a development wiki -- it'll encompass things like forums, development news etc. The emphasis will be on bringing mod developers and teams together (but still being an essential resource for individual mappers, coders etc). While it won't be set up as a standard wiki, there will be a system in place to allow the community to contribute to the knowledge base (whether through tutorials, simple how-to's or otherwise). We're definitely looking for some experienced people to help form the team (knowledge base contributions and experienced moderation is going to be essential). If you'd be interested in contributing to the project in any way, I'd be glad to hear from you. Mr Bond Site Director - www.HLFallout.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - Open Innovation Software Software Consulting for Small and Medium Business Staff Writer - GamersInfo.Net (http://www.gamersinfo.net) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] VS .NET Professional - Academic Version
Does it prevent you from distributing the code? I know the beta version of the next visual studio does... :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Napier, Kevin wrote: Well the source sdk problably has a similar clause...so it's probably not a big loss. Afaik though the content is the same. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of covert Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] VS .NET Professional - Academic Version [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] afaik it is the licence terms of the Academic that prevents you from selling or gaining profit from any code you compile on it. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:50:29 -, Mike Blowers wrote: SPAN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. SPAN -- SPAN [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] SPAN Are there any differences between Visual Studio .NET Professional SPAN (Academic License) and (normal license) ? except about 700.00 SPAN -- SPAN SPAN SPAN ___ SPAN To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list SPAN archives, please visit: SPAN http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders[1] br SPAN ===References:=== 1. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK - Valve vs. Epic
...blasphemy. I can't stand Epic. I have to admin some UT2004 servers and it's a nightmare to do even the simplest things you can do in HL1. The -ONLY- good thing they have over valve is the mutators, that's it. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ChessMess wrote: Out of curiosity, how do you feel Valve's efforts compare with Epics? -- ChessMess Stratactic Studios http://www.StratacticStudios.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Are you Steam guys at VALVE sure?
Dominik Tugend wrote: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\steam open this Link to run Counter-Strike 1.6 (if installed). I mean these functionalties can be great to support your users with links in the steam news and so on (like you did today), but a) I am not to happy that Steam integrates into my OS in this way. b) since the URL is passed to steam.exe as an commandline parameter, I am afraid there might pop up some crazy links on some websites soon (although Steam.exe detects that this is an passed URL because the steam:// is also passed, I guess). Please tell me my ranting is sensless and there is nothing I have to be afraid off :) Sry 4 my bad English. Greetings PS: yes I know this functionality has been there for a while. -- Mate, trust me. When it comes to STEAM, this is definately the least of your worries. There's far bigger fish out there :/ -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] So, what do you think of Half-Life2?
HoundDawg wrote: Yes, it finally did get released. The whole steam deal yesterday was a bit frustrating along with all of the other issues that retail purchasers are faced with. But, overall, it is fun to play and I am looking forward to the full SDK release. As far as a next-generation engine, for Valve it is, but in gaming, the HL2 engine is a few years dated now. FarCry surpasses HL2 in many, many ways. Yes, including water effects, heat distortions around steam and other heat sources, true dynamic lighting (you can shoot a light to make it move and the light it shines moves at the same time), and even the AI NPCs reacted more as a team. Other things that I found kind of lame in HL2, included the lack of seeing Gordan's hands more and the inability to shoot while using the suit zoom feature. Picking up objects, I've seen in HL1 before like in voogru's entity moving modification. At least there could have been hands on the airboat handlebars. Even console games have been doing that much for years. IMO, HL2 would have rocked more if released 2 years ago, or addressed some of the issues more. The levels often felt like HL1 textured levels (flat) with a few new features like more real cables, reflective surfaces, and objects with physical properties (like the glass bottles, cement bricks, or even the unraveling cardboard boxes). Even though other engines provide superior effects, Valve still wins as they release a full SDK and not a scripted engine (like UT and FarCry). I'm looking forward to MODs that are based around the gravity gun and even airboat races. There's definitely a lot you can do to extend the HL2 SP into multiple MP mods. I have yet to finish the game, although it's still fun and looking forward to seeing the MODs come out, I wouldn't quite classify it as the first, unique, or best implementation on what many gamers call next-generation gaming features. The story is fun to go through and I like how it's all organized into chapters. But, I'd like to just point out that there are features that were better implemented by other games along with other games having features that HL2 lacks. We'll just have to wait to see what this coding community can do to extend and fill in the gaps. - HoundDawg http://xs3.xs.to/pics/04472/rocks.jpg -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] anyone tried ATI offer here?
Vyacheslav Djura wrote: Question to everyone - what does that mean - A new key to play is not included from this snippet: Note: the CD-ROM activation requires a valid STEAM account enabled with your ATI Half-Life 2 key mentioned above. A new key to play is not included, and shipping and handling is also not included -- Best regards, Vyacheslav mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders It means you already got a key on the voucher and they aren't dumb enough to ship another one with the product assuming you're paying to receive it via mail. -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Possible release of the SDK today.
K. Mike Bradley wrote: I click all the links and nothing DL's TEASE !!! O.o If you have a Source game you can get them if you restart steam (assuming you haven't already). If you don't have a source game...well... lets hope it doesn't come to that. -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Possible release of the SDK today.
K. Mike Bradley wrote: OMG ! IT's HERE No One do any maps till I convert my maps please ... I wana be first I think the people that are converting their maps from the illegally aquired a version will get there pretty fast, so you'll have to work a bit faster to be first :o -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source Terrain
K. Mike Bradley wrote: Yes .. LOL It's the same as Unreal was 4 years ago .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH Valve finally caught up and added all the features that Unreal had but HL1 didn't. Like mirrors as well. Except you can't see your model. Only the relfexion. Hard to catch up when you haven't released a new engine for seven years... :o -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Great to know one exists for HL1, but the site is really stuffed for Firefox... what kind of software is it using? :s ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
No, it would be killer if they used something that everybody can use, be it on Windows or Linux, in VS.NET or Kdevelop or a Bash or whatever. Something that has been around for years and has platform independent tools. Something like Doxygen or Javadoc. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Seaaf, it'd be a killer if they used Java =D -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Re: A Half-life wiki?
Henrik Alfredsson wrote: Hello Im Majestic XII from the HL2 editing site www.hl2modcentral.com. Its a site where members can write articles, tutorials, add mods and links to the site. We got a wiki coming up so if you got any ideas please post them in the forum. Cheers, Henrik Majestic XII Alfredsson ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Aye this is nuts. The number of HL2 sites that pop up claiming stuff is out of control! -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Michael Shimmins wrote: XML comments are essentially the same as JavaDocs. A program parses the text file and creates an XML file out of it. This file can then be used to create a website using a 3rd party tool. This is pretty similar to Java Docs except JavaDocs goes straight to HTML not via XML. Michael Making Javadocs in school really really sucked, but if that's what you're into... :/ -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Michael Shimmins wrote: I'm into deducting marks from my students for not doing them :P Michael That's horrible! You should be ashamed of yourself! First you teach java, then you force javadocs, THEN you deduct marks if they hate them :o! ..you're starting to sound an aweful lot like Microsoft o.O -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
NuclearFriend wrote: I'm willing to start writing up for HL2 asap, but that simply isn't feasible right now and I have no motivational desire to write anything about HL. :P So maybe we should wait for the SDK... Depends what sort of wiki you wanted. A purely design based one, or a Source one. -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Dave Sanders wrote: See what I mean, within 24 hours we now have two separate people talking of setting up Wikis. One already has, and another is about to. Yep, and within 24 hours I've gone from completely loving the idea, to hating it. I sent the link around for people to brainstorm, play with it and possibly talk about what content we'd want to put up, and instead everyone wanted it to spring fully grown from my head like Athena. I was planning to spend time over the next week or two (hopefully with others helping) to add content, figure out primary categories, continue to update the navigation, etc of the site. I tend to go toward the here it is, lets play mentality toward Wikis because I know that if they start getting used, the information usually sorts itself out fairly quickly. Wiki's allow you to be more evolutional with how you collect and organize the information, rather than a CMS style site. If someone else is going to host it, run it, maintain it and deal with it, I don't honestly care. I'll probably edit it and help write / organize. Otherwise, I'll keep working on HalfLifeWiki and make any major announcements here. Probably in a day or three I'll have some organization in place. In the meantime, there is a temp page set up for people to link off of and to add their own articles. D ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Being a coder, I thought you'd be one of those people that understand things that aren't designed properly well seem to inflate very fast with repeated information and become unmanageable... Design first, implement later. :/ -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Dave Sanders wrote: Sigh. Fine, forget it. I started this thread to ask a question, got a lot of positive feedback (including from you), and so plunged forward to get a working area up where we could start organizing things. Sitting down and planning something like a wiki on pad and paper for six weeks isn't going to work either. In my experience its best to just throw stuff on the wall and see what sticks, since it can be easily changed at any time. Trust me, I spend a LARGE amount of my time working with people on, and doing design. I'm middle management in software development - my bosses always want me to stop designing and deliver, and my developers always want to analyize forever and not commit. Don't quote software methodologies to me in a situation that doesn't apply. If you don't like the idea of having something unstructured for a few weeks, then go ADD some structure. That's the point of the wiki in the first place. But, at this point, forget it. Someone else can set it up and deal with the criticism from those who would rather complain, than do. If you set one up, contact me, and I'll be happy to help edit / add / police, whatever needs done. And with that, I'll jump off of hlcoders again for another year or two... wish I could say that coming back had been fun. Oh well maybe in 2006. D ...I think you took my comments a little tooo seriously mate, the design stuff was aimed at everyone interested, as a whole, so we could organise something THEN find a suitible host for it, and thus not have 15 different DYI people go out and start their own and have information scattered across the countryside (HL1 resource sites anyone?). I'm not a complainer if there's something I can do, but I really don't think that just randomly starting out with no idea on structure is the best thing to do at the start... Just chill a bit, and everything with be cool =) -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Source Terrain
K. Mike Bradley wrote: Yes they use the enlarged skybox just like Unreal did. After four years they caught up. But it is bump map or terrain. Fly in CS Source Aztec to see what I mean. Yar he's right, if you fly around in a map like aztec or dust, go off the map a bit, you'll see a minature model that's used around the outside of the map (and the middle for the dome on dust) -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
hehe, I've got hosting with 2.5gb of space 'n 64gb of bandwidth that I hardly use, it's mainly for my family's email addresses (since everyone blocks free emails nowadays). I could host it to start you off if ye like, though chances are it'd need to transfer to VERC eventually, a very popular site would exceed those limitations =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Ben Davison wrote: Yes, a great idea. I would happily contribute and write articles. I was actually going to suggest this to the group once I found out if could actually host it. And what software we would need. But alas I can not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sanders Sent: 30 October 2004 21:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki? Out of curiousity, does there happen to be a half-life wiki around for coders / mappers / modelers, etc? Like http://wiki.beyondunreal.com for the Unreal crowd. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Arr, it's just a place to start. It's extremely easy to transfer it then setup whatever URL is used to redirect to a new location, just a lot of sites may not be willing to start a wiki from scratch, especially if they don't know how dedicated the people working on it are (or if it'll go anywhere) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Dave Sanders wrote: Thats definitely a valid point, and I by no means would advocate splintering the information more. However, it COULD be a place to link off to that content too. And some might say that more is always better...? I'm bringing it up to guage the interest really, and am definitely not trying to go out and evangalize about wiki's. :) I just see how well the Unreal Wiki works, and other wikis that seem to work for their various communities. I also know that they either catch on, or die horribly very quickly... usually due to apathy by the users to invest the time. Looking back at this thread I see the following votes: 8 for (or at least supportive), 2 against (or skeptical). Anyone else care to vote? D On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:39:35 +1100, Michael Shimmins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's a good idea to divide our resources even more. I think rather than start yet another resource, we should perhaps concentrate on extending an existing one. I know The Wavelength will be supporting HL2 with articles, discussion, tutorials etc. The VERC no doubt will too. These two resources are the ones that jump to mind, we were to try and add another one to the mix, I feel all three would go down hill. Why not just contribute to the existing ones to make them better? Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Bahamut Andrews Sent: Sunday, 31 October 2004 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki? hehe, I've got hosting with 2.5gb of space 'n 64gb of bandwidth that I hardly use, it's mainly for my family's email addresses (since everyone blocks free emails nowadays). I could host it to start you off if ye like, though chances are it'd need to transfer to VERC eventually, a very popular site would exceed those limitations =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Ben Davison wrote: Yes, a great idea. I would happily contribute and write articles. I was actually going to suggest this to the group once I found out if could actually host it. And what software we would need. But alas I can not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sanders Sent: 30 October 2004 21:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki? Out of curiousity, does there happen to be a half-life wiki around for coders / mappers / modelers, etc? Like http://wiki.beyondunreal.com for the Unreal crowd. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] A Half-life wiki?
Juan Fernando Mora Muoz wrote: You are right, Inicio... is spanish, and it means start And btw a wiki HL2 would rock, Like 2 months ago i start to play with the SDK of HL1 and believe me... its hard to follow some tutorials when you dont know what a function do so, and maybe i speaking for all the begginners out there, and for find function reference stuff a wiki really could do the trick. Fernando Mora PD. And yes... i my natural language its spanish... so that explain why i can't write english that well... =( You write English better then I write Spanish mate ;) -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] [RANT] [REQUEST] Trimming posts
you forgot to code in cl_hax :(
- Bruce Bahamut Andrews
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ai.c:56: parse error before `}'
Fixed in Subversion revision 537; here's the patch.
--- ai.old.cThu Oct 28 07:00:52 2004
+++ ai.new.cThu Oct 28 07:01:08 2004
@@ -52,6 +52,6 @@
);
//TODO: read self.speed from a array?
//TODO: sidesteep walking, target forgeting? target change?
-break
+break;
}
//TODO: self inconscious, self sleep? :D
if(self.dead)
return;
if (CanSee(Enemy.origin))
{
//TODO: reaction time, and vision angle,etc.. realism
self.goalorigin = Enemy.location;
if (self.gunReady self.ammo)
{
self.status = HUNTING;
}
/*
//TODO: implement reloading and dumbass
else
if (!self.ammo)
{
self.status = RELOADING;
}
else
{
self.status = LOOKDUMB;
}*/
}
else
{
CanSee(self.goalorigin);
//TODO: detect for holes in ground :D
self.status = PATHFINDING;
}
switch(self.status)
{
default:
//idle
RandomNoise(IDLE);
//TODO: change angle? pick a random trace_path and follow?, start a
dialogue with other foe?
break;
case HUNTING:
AnimateShooting();
//TODO: implement precision and mental state (happy, stressed, pain,
fear, etc..)
if (self.frame == FIRING_FRAME)
Shot(self.weapon);
break;
case PATHFINDING:
self.WalkTo(
self.origin +
normalize(self.goalorigin - self.origin) *
self.speed
);
//TODO: read self.speed from a array?
//TODO: sidesteep walking, target forgeting? target change?
break
}
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Re: [hlcoders] [OT] [RANT] [REQUEST] Trimming posts
lmao, owned. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Elektordi wrote: main.cpp: /*** * * Copyright (c) 1999, 2000 Valve LLC. All rights reserved. * * This product contains software technology licensed from Id * Software, Inc. (Id Technology). Id Technology (c) 2004 Id Software, Inc. * All Rights Reserved. * * Use, distribution, and modification of this source code and/or resulting * object code is restricted to non-commercial enhancements to products from * Valve LLC. All other use, distribution, or modification is prohibited * without written permission from Valve LLC. * / //TODO: Whole SDK - Original Message - From: Jeffrey botman Broome [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] [RANT] [REQUEST] Trimming posts Dave Sanders wrote: Please. If anyone at Valve is reading this thread. Please. Please. Release the SDK. We obviously need something to work on... :) Yes. Even if it's not done, even if it won't compile, even if it's written in COBOL, even if it's only a single line of code from the smallest header file, even if it's just a COPYRIGHT comment. We want an SDK that we can't do anything with!!! :) ___[ Pub ] Inscrivez-vous gratuitement sur Tandaime, Le site de rencontres ! http://rencontre.rencontres.com/index.php?origine=4 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] [OT] [RANT] [REQUEST] Trimming posts
Yeah, but when that runs out you're unable to delete them =P - Bruce Bahamut Andrews SB Childe Roland wrote: I'm just saying that it's nice to have those messages untrimmed, that way you can know exactly which message the person is repsonding to. GMail automatically hides the superfilous quoted sections, so they don't get in the way, but theyre available if you want them. Plus I'm never going to have to delete a HL Coders message. I've been receiving them for over 2 weeks, and I have yet to use 1/10 of 1% of my alloted space. At that rate I have about 19 years worth of HL Coders List storage space. Yes, years. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:44:25 +0200, Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Childe Roland wrote: He really needs GMail. Who's with me? I'm not. I'm with him. Totally. Florian ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- SB Childe Roland I will show you fear in a handful of jelly beans. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
meh, I had a look at visual studio .NET, it didn't seem particularly helpful at first glance, but that's probably because I don't know much about it. Steep learning curve != good application o.O - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: No, I like the idea to distribute a compiler for free. But Its only the use of SMB over internet that is a brain damaged idea. Of course, not work in a firewalled system. HTTP is the way to go. About money, the linux kernel is 628M $ and the GCC compiler is 190M $, both for free and withouth limitations of use. Much better than this: Under their license you can not legally distribute what you have 'compiled' with the beta software, nor can you use it in a buisness enviroment . Even so you can develop a full product in a hobby setting using them and have someone with the full software 'compile' the distributable for you. Either way for Mod developers wanting to get up to speed as quickly and cheaply as possible it definatly is a route to take. (Lyme) I also like the VC6 gui more than the compiler. GCC or CL both are cool, but Its the VC6 gui that its very usefull for develop apps. If Microsoft not provice for free the GUI, a better compiler is GCC because its FREE, you can distribute mods compiled with GCC and not with that express version of VC. Anyway v++express its not the only Microsoft compiler out here. The 'Visual C++ Toolkit' its also free to download on the microsoft network, and looks like better... http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ And that installer WORKS. Forget the express version, Its crap (at least the Installer) Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Well it'd be stupid of Microsoft to release a beta of software that costs ~1000 dollars brand new and let people develop software with it for their own purposes... It is, after all, just an extended test :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: ridiculous, that installer need to download data with file and printer sharing ,the SMB protocol ,on port 445. Lets me thing.. humm.. I am not THAT stupid to open file and printer sharing to internet. Or I am? Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta. Also, there is no Go Live license for this beta release, so your use of this beta is limited to testing and evaluation only. I assume that refers to your ability to distribute software you create with it? http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: What is that aimed at the GCF? or the msvc? --- Bruce \Bahamut\ Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You aren't allowed to distribute anything you make using it (legally) so it's pretty pointless to use it isn't it? - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: Thanks guys I think back to an old december 2003 iterview, and understand the sdk will come via steam, i might see if some one could upload a gcf, for me to use at home I am also useing .net 2005, its free, so i'm gona use it till it dies Adam = http://ammahls.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders = http://ammahls.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
arr, don't mind me, I'm pretty much a nub when it comes to all the Microsoft Studio products, though I did find Dev-C++ easier to navigate at first glance, so maybe I'm not as stupid as I think... :o - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Dave R. Meyers wrote: I have been using .net pretty much since it came out, and yes there is a learning curve, but it is not that bad if you stick to what you know and then slowly add new things. I find some of the features very helpful, my favorite would have to be the collapse all feature that will collapse everything down to the function (like windows folders). Yeah Tei. I had the same issue trying the express download, but after I downloaded the files manually, everything worked fine. There was a link off to the side that says if you are having download problems go here. 8) I did and it is all fine now. I will try out .net 2005 for a bit and see what is different if anything, but for now it is not a big priority. Starbreaker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Bahamut Andrews Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ meh, I had a look at visual studio .NET, it didn't seem particularly helpful at first glance, but that's probably because I don't know much about it. Steep learning curve != good application o.O - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: No, I like the idea to distribute a compiler for free. But Its only the use of SMB over internet that is a brain damaged idea. Of course, not work in a firewalled system. HTTP is the way to go. About money, the linux kernel is 628M $ and the GCC compiler is 190M $, both for free and withouth limitations of use. Much better than this: Under their license you can not legally distribute what you have 'compiled' with the beta software, nor can you use it in a buisness enviroment . Even so you can develop a full product in a hobby setting using them and have someone with the full software 'compile' the distributable for you. Either way for Mod developers wanting to get up to speed as quickly and cheaply as possible it definatly is a route to take. (Lyme) I also like the VC6 gui more than the compiler. GCC or CL both are cool, but Its the VC6 gui that its very usefull for develop apps. If Microsoft not provice for free the GUI, a better compiler is GCC because its FREE, you can distribute mods compiled with GCC and not with that express version of VC. Anyway v++express its not the only Microsoft compiler out here. The 'Visual C++ Toolkit' its also free to download on the microsoft network, and looks like better... http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ And that installer WORKS. Forget the express version, Its crap (at least the Installer) Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Well it'd be stupid of Microsoft to release a beta of software that costs ~1000 dollars brand new and let people develop software with it for their own purposes... It is, after all, just an extended test :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: ridiculous, that installer need to download data with file and printer sharing ,the SMB protocol ,on port 445. Lets me thing.. humm.. I am not THAT stupid to open file and printer sharing to internet. Or I am? Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta. Also, there is no Go Live license for this beta release, so your use of this beta is limited to testing and evaluation only. I assume that refers to your ability to distribute software you create with it? http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: What is that aimed at the GCF? or the msvc? --- Bruce \Bahamut\ Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You aren't allowed to distribute anything you make using it (legally) so it's pretty pointless to use it isn't it? - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: Thanks guys I think back to an old december 2003 iterview, and understand the sdk will come via steam, i might see if some one could upload a gcf, for me to use at home I am also useing .net 2005, its free, so i'm gona use it till it dies Adam = http://ammahls.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders = http://ammahls.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Coders Update for Source Mods???
...that has to be the dumbest idea ever. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews John Bellone wrote: Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: ...I think it's fairly obvious that VALVe would never make the internet -required- for the boxed version of Half-Life 2, that'd be suicide. The steam-downloaded version would be playable offline too, assuming you'd been online in steam once... That'd be like Microsoft making an internet connection a requirement to use their OS. :/ You can still go to S.T.A.L.K.E.R though if you want =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: Will the coders for source, need a net conection, as upuntil today, i have been hopeing that source has not needed a net conection to dev, or play sp, but google news sent me 4 sites with an interview with Doug, saying that you will need the net to play sp I dont have any internet at home... If this is the case, good buy community, i'm off to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. now, have fun (Also, if this has been talked about in the What version of MSVC, please tell us any way, i just consider thoes emails junk, to many of em) Adam = http://ammahls.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Well, it is requird. It was just announced. To activate Half-Life 2, you must have an internet connection to make a Steam account. After that, you can play it offline all you want. -- John Bellone Project Manager, Programmer Flipside Software http://www.flipsidesoftware.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Coders Update for Source Mods???
First time activations have never worked. Windows XP had one, Adobe Photoshop CS had one, hundreds of programs have had them, yet each and every single one of them has been bypassed. :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Ben Davison wrote: To try and curb piracy it's a good idea. A 1 time activation on your product just like many other products. Steam offline mode will still work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Bahamut Andrews Sent: 25 October 2004 14:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Coders Update for Source Mods??? ...that has to be the dumbest idea ever. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews John Bellone wrote: Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: ...I think it's fairly obvious that VALVe would never make the internet -required- for the boxed version of Half-Life 2, that'd be suicide. The steam-downloaded version would be playable offline too, assuming you'd been online in steam once... That'd be like Microsoft making an internet connection a requirement to use their OS. :/ You can still go to S.T.A.L.K.E.R though if you want =) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: Will the coders for source, need a net conection, as upuntil today, i have been hopeing that source has not needed a net conection to dev, or play sp, but google news sent me 4 sites with an interview with Doug, saying that you will need the net to play sp I dont have any internet at home... If this is the case, good buy community, i'm off to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. now, have fun (Also, if this has been talked about in the What version of MSVC, please tell us any way, i just consider thoes emails junk, to many of em) Adam = http://ammahls.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Well, it is requird. It was just announced. To activate Half-Life 2, you must have an internet connection to make a Steam account. After that, you can play it offline all you want. -- John Bellone Project Manager, Programmer Flipside Software http://www.flipsidesoftware.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Coders Update for Source Mods???
Well it'd be stupid of Microsoft to release a beta of software that costs ~1000 dollars brand new and let people develop software with it for their own purposes... It is, after all, just an extended test :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: ridiculous, that installer need to download data with file and printer sharing ,the SMB protocol ,on port 445. Lets me thing.. humm.. I am not THAT stupid to open file and printer sharing to internet. Or I am? Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta. Also, there is no Go Live license for this beta release, so your use of this beta is limited to testing and evaluation only. I assume that refers to your ability to distribute software you create with it? http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: What is that aimed at the GCF? or the msvc? --- Bruce \Bahamut\ Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You aren't allowed to distribute anything you make using it (legally) so it's pretty pointless to use it isn't it? - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Adam amckern Mckern wrote: Thanks guys I think back to an old december 2003 iterview, and understand the sdk will come via steam, i might see if some one could upload a gcf, for me to use at home I am also useing .net 2005, its free, so i'm gona use it till it dies Adam = http://ammahls.com ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders = http://ammahls.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Coders Update for Source Mods???
Yea well, I'd be surprised if you were legally allowed to distribute whatever you create with your beta software, seeing as you can't do that with educational versions of older software still. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Lyme wrote: Microsoft doesn't really make money off their development tools. Traditionally Microsoft would only try to break even with some of their development costs for the tools. Microsoft also knows that by releasing this slightly slimmed down version of their development enviroment they can get people to develop for Windows and more importantly run windows. Don't think Microsoft is neive in what they do. As another point Microsoft removed ATL and MFC from the beta C++, however don't think that they didn't think that people would use the .net constructs instead. Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Well it'd be stupid of Microsoft to release a beta of software that costs ~1000 dollars brand new and let people develop software with it for their own purposes... It is, after all, just an extended test :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Copy/Trademark question
Thanks for that, might clear it up for our friend =) - note that text wasn't written by me, it was quoted by me :p - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Jorge Rodriguez wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:13:01PM +1000, Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: The EULA is not a law, Its a contract. And you cant broken a contract you have not sign. No one on Freecraft or BNETD have sign that EULA. Hmm, perhaps I can send this discussion in a better direction by elaborating on this. I am not a lawyer, but this is my amatuer understand on how these things work: A EULA is not a contract, it is a license. A contract you sign and cannot break, and it can pretty much stipulate your behavior on anything that does not infringe on the law and your rights under it. A contract can cause you to pay people, it can cause you not pay other people, it can cause you live in a certain place or use a certain phone. A contract is an agreement which is enforcable by law. A license on the other hand, is simply a statement of rights as pertaining to copyright law. When someone creates something they have the rights to make and distribute copies (ie copyright) unless they specifically allow someone else to do it as well. If you buy a book from the book store, you see that after the copyright notice it says All rights reserved. This means that the author of the book reserves all of the rights to make copies of and distribute that book, within the terms of the Fair Use Act. However, the copyright for most software comes with a license that lets the users copy and distribute the software under a certain set of conditions. For example, the GNU Public License (GPL) allows users the right to copy and distribute modified versions of the program, as long as the source code of those changes is distributed as well. Also, most Microsoft license agreements stipulate that you are not allowed to copy or make modifications to or distribute versions of their software at all. However, in both of these cases, the original author holds the copyright (read: the right to copy) and you are only licensed this right under a specific set of terms. -- Jorge Vino Rodriguez ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Copy/Trademark question
Blizzard are protecting their intellectual property in any and all ways possible, I hardly think that classifies them as retards. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: SB Childe Roland wrote: I was wondering if anyone here has tried to do a mod based off of an existing game/movie/book/etc. Have you had trouble with the creaters/rights owners? I would think since we're not charging for the mods, that we would have no problem. If anyone can help me by sharing their experiences and/or knowledge I would greatly appreciate it. my $ 0.02: Check google: cease and desist mails cease and desist alien total conversion cease and desist star craft cease and desist star starship troopers notice also the sucesfull historie on Generations mod for Quake3, a mod that use the Quake1, Quake2 and Quake3 universe. looks like: - a NO NO is to use stuff from Company A, on Company B engine. - ask First, or this is naif? - no one care if you use Quake1 engine - if your mod is big and popular enough, will not attack ( Star War mod for Bf1942) - you cant use shamblers outside quake1 - Fox Corporation where stupids or retards (but has Futurama) - Blizzard are stupids and retards (but make cool games) - etc.. My suggestion is to hire a fiction writter and build your own universe and populate with interesting characters, monsters and plot. If you use the momentum of a Hollywood film to give momentum to your mod, well... Its Hollywood that is righ, and you wrong, and hollywood has the byzillions of dolars, and the byzillions of lawyers, and you have nothing, even your ISP will shutdown your content withouth questions (already tested with anonymous mails from hotmail accounts, Its easy as that) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] What MSVC version do you use/have?
you think I'm joking? ;) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Matt Judge wrote: ROFL Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: or a guy? *pulls $60 out of his wallet* - Bruce Bahamut Andrews SB Childe Roland wrote: That also means, that I can get the professional version with an academic liscense for around $60. Now, I just need to find 6 fat chicks to whore myself out to for $10 a piece... Or 2 really fat chicks for $30 a piece. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:48:57 -0500, SB Childe Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Copy/Trademark question
er, that's because both of those activities are illegal. One feeds off the Blizzard franchise and makes them lose sales on their *craft games, and the other is completely illegal and goes against their End User Lisence Agreement (my GSP looked into doing this some time ago and decided against it because of that). The bnetd effectively circumvents the cd key protection, put in place for obvious reasons. If Blizzard choose to force the game to be completely based on their Battle.NET servers when played online that's their choice. It's like MMORPG developers - you don't see them handing out a server program for people that don't want the constant patching and 'free' updates at the cost of a monthy fee. They spent years creating the software, they have a right to keep it under their control if they so desire. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: OT: Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: Blizzard are protecting their intellectual property in any and all ways possible, I hardly think that classifies them as retards. - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Its my opinion. I can be wrong. Anyway a good read here: Against Freecraft: http://www.math.sfu.ca/~cbm/cd/ Against BNETD: http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Intellectual_Property/Copyrights/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act/bnetd/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Copy/Trademark question
or make a highly modified version of what you have in mind =) Just make sure they aren't developing their own game though, a lot of tvshows/movies/books/whatever are getting them :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Christopher McArthur wrote: It is most definately NOT OK to use an existing intellectual property as the basis for your mod. It doesn't matter if your making money off of it or not. The question is, will the company go after you for doing it? You'd think they wouldn't care, but I've seen hundreds of mods shut down because of this. It is not worth risking. You could get around it, perhaps, by making your mod a parody of the existing franchise, and making fun of it. But, there is a fine line here as well, and my advice would be to either get permission (which is unlikely), or to just come up with your own idea. -ilian I was wondering if anyone here has tried to do a mod based off of an existing game/movie/book/etc. Have you had trouble with the creaters/rights owners? I would think since we're not charging for the mods, that we would have no problem. If anyone can help me by sharing their experiences and/or knowledge I would greatly appreciate it. --Thanks SB Childe Roland I will show you fear in a handful of jelly beans. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] What MSVC version do you use/have?
Because he wants to use some of the advanced technological improvements that .NET has... Didn't he say that already? :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews David Leinbach wrote: I prefer VC6 but I have VC.NET as well. Question though, since VC.NET can convery from VC6 projects, why not include VC6 projects and then those users using VC.NET can just convert? David On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:34:26 -0700, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to do a quick straw poll of how many people on this list DON'T have access to MSVC.NET or above for their MOD development (we hope to only release MSVC.NET project files with the SDK)? - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Copy/Trademark question
Dude, you took this wayy too far. That huge long list of things ending with the word craft just made you look silly because I said /their *craft games/* not every *craft object in existence. The EULA is not a law, Its a contract. And you cant broken a contract you have not sign. No one on Freecraft or BNETD have sign that EULA. You use the software Starcraft, Warcraft or Diablo or any of their versions and you have agreed to adhere to their end-user lisence agreement 100%. To receive packets from B.NET you need to be using one of those software programs, and to replicate the responses you have to go through and break-down the code and reverse-engineer it, which is against the agreements you agreed to when you decided to install the Blizzard Software. At no point did they say that you have the right to, or permission to make, server software. They said they will host the servers, but specifically denied permission for you to emulate the B.NET software, thus you're breaching the agreement if you attempt to do so. As for freecraft, well, I'm not entirely up to speed with that game or project, but they must've been trying to take Blizzard's franchise in some way - Based off Starcraft or something. I'm fairly sure you'll find (if you look into the agreements closer) that you're not allowed to create any bnet style programs :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews tei wrote: Sorry, this mail is long, boring, and OFF-TOPIC. Fortunally enough, Its also boring for me, so this is my last mail about the topic. I read good responses on this threads for others guys. Looks like a good advice is to avoid other people IP and generate our own IP. Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: er, that's because both of those activities are illegal. The coolness about CS letter is that you dont need to proff that. People runaway because lack the money and lawyers. Its like dark ages on europe: the lords always right and onlaw, and villagers the illegal and evile. [#1] You are right because you have the money. Also because corporations put money on law makings and individuals not, so the law is customized to corporationds needs. Usa word for that is lobby*. [#2] If you are wrong, you can change the law with more money. One feeds off the Blizzard franchise and makes them lose sales on their *craft games, Yes, everything with *craft is owned by Blizzard. Lovecraft Lovecraft's Wollstonecraft Wollstonecraft's Hovercraft Hovercraft's Schoolcraft Schoolcraft's aircraft aircraft's craft craft's crafted craftier craftiest craftily crafting crafts craftsman craftsman's craftsmen crafty handicraft handicraft's handicrafts spacecraft spacecraft's spacecrafts witchcraft witchcraft's craftsmanship craftsmanship's antiaircraft craftiness craftiness's handcraft handcraft's handcrafted handcrafting handcrafts hovercraft hovercraft's watercraft watercraft's woodcraft woodcraft's aircraftman aircraftman's aircraftmen craftspeople craftswoman craftswomen freecraft hovercrafts stagecraft stagecraft's needlecraft needlecraft's statecraft statecraft's bookcraft bookcraft's bushcraft bushcraft's craftsmanlike craftsperson craftwork craftwork's handicrafter handicrafters handicraftsman handicraftsman's handicraftsmen kingcraft kingcraft's priestcraft priestcraft's swordcraft swordcraft's aircraftsman aircraftsman's aircraftsmen aircraftswoman aircraftswoman's aircraftswomen aircraftwoman aircraftwomen antiaircrafts authorcraft bardcraft bushcrafts campcraft campcraft's campcrafts courtcraft crafter crafters craftinesses craftless craftmanship craftmanships craftsmanly craftsmanships craftsmaster craftsmasters craftspersons folkcraft handcraftsman handcraftsmanship handcraftsmanships handcraftsmen handicraftswoman homecraft homecrafts housecraft icecraft kingcrafts leechcraft mothercraft needlecrafts pencraft priestcrafts queencraft rivercraft roadcraft rotorcraft rotorcraft's runecraft schoolcraft scoutcraft scoutcrafts screencraft seacraft seacrafts shuttlecraft siegecraft smithcraft songcraft speechcraft stagecrafts statecrafts stitchcraft tradecraft tradecrafts warcraft warcrafts watercrafts witchcrafts woodcrafter woodcrafters woodcrafts woodcraftsman woodcraftsmen adcraft aerocraft aircrafts antipriestcraft artcraft authorcrafts birdcraft braincraft churchcraft countercraft courtcrafts craftly craftsmenship craftsmenships craftworker craftworker's craftworks cushioncraft fathercraft fellowcraft forestcraft gamecraft gardencraft ghostcraft guidecraft handcraftman handicraftship handicraftship's handicraftsmanship handicraftsmanship's handicraftswomen healthcraft horsecraft housecrafts ketchcraft lawcraft leathercraft leechcrafts metalcraft monkcraft mothercrafts naturecraft novelcraft outcraftied outcrafties outcrafty outcraftying pencrafts picturecraft plainscraft playcraft playcraftsman poetcraft prairiecraft princecraft queencrafts redecraft redecrafts ringcraft roadcrafts rockcraft rotocraft runecrafts scenecraft schoolcrafts screencrafts seacrafty seamancraft
Re: [hlcoders] Does HL2 have built-in metamod-like functionality?
I agree, though the barrels in cs:source annoy me somewhat. on cs_havana I can't push them over without shooting 'em, which now that I think about it might be because they (possibly) have a larger weight then the dust ones... hrm. Still, I wouldn't envy the valve employees if they went through and tried to code a physics engine like Havok from scratch - that'd be a very tedious job :/ - Bruce Bahamut Andrews McCormack, Chris wrote: Havok is the physics engine, Valve used it and incorporated it in their game engine so what :P Why re-invent the VERY complicated wheel when there is one ready made to drop in which performs everything you need. I think it works amazing. The ragdoll effect when a body drops off a ledge or gets thrown by a grenade is more interesting than most of the game imo :P Who else spent 20 minutes shooting the tins on the floor and the bottles on dust, even pushing the barrels down the ramp when CSS was launched. Havok was a great choice and the end result may not have been as good had they coded the parts they used of the havok engine in house. It may have cost a lot of cash to get licensing to incorporate it in the engine and when the source got leaked I am sure there was some difficult times between the 2 companies (havok source apparently was in the leak), but the end result is stunning and well worth it. As for HL2, well I wait with baited breath. I am 26 and feel like Christmas is coming for the first time in ages ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2004 06:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Does HL2 have built-in metamod-like functionality? Source IS lovely, but it appears VALVe had help. http://www.havok.com/clients/valve.php Not to say this is bad, only that it isn't 100% innovative. However, this detracts not from the HL2 Silver I bought. :D Cheers, VALVe hlcoders. ~ --- K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is for sure Source is incredible. I have played it in CS Source and it is the game engine to get. Steam and all the other stuff ... Well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Does HL2 have built-in metamod-like functionality?
Oh that could be the problem, we have daylight savings (so GMT+11 instead of +10) here at the moment so my computer clock must be sending dodgy times :o - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Florian Zschocke wrote: Bruce Bahamut Andrews wrote: heh, I swapped over to using Mozilla Thunderbird, and emails seem to be arriving out of sequence now too. For instance, I received all the replies to this email before this email itself... :/ I've been using Mozilla Mail for ages now and never had problems other than people not setting their PC clocks correctly or setting the wrong timezone. Mozilla Mail uses the sender timestamp to sort emails, not the receive time. Florian ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Does HL2 have built-in metamod-like functionality?
heh, I swapped over to using Mozilla Thunderbird, and emails seem to be arriving out of sequence now too. For instance, I received all the replies to this email before this email itself... :/ Happens with other mailing lists too, so I guess it's just downloading them in a weird order o.O - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Jeffrey botman Broome wrote: voogru wrote: Is it me, or did Alfred's reply before the original mail get in? I see his reply at 1:50 PM, while Pavol's mail got in at 1:54. When you send email, the time on the client's machine is used for the timestamp (not the sending email server's time, the recipient's email server's time or the recipient's machine's time). Notice how I sent this message from the future! ;) -- Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] sdk for css?
too cool dude, lmao. At least that should have got the message across, and get us all laughin' too =D - Bruce Bahamut Andrews Juan Fernando Mora Muoz wrote: Snif snif, maybe they dont sign anything but come on... I even begin to see web pages with titles like Windows Shell Extension and things like that so... PLEASEEE give us something a little peace of codeee, just a few lines we need to read something a file! even a header file its ok!!! =( hehehehhe ;P just kidding... naa... come on guys we dont want to use an incomplete-impossible-of-debugging code, ok, they promise, they said, they whatever, so bad boys! you were bad boys! no DOD:S for you! let's wait a little longer, we all now that when its about code there's always something else to be done, and maybe when we put our hands on that SDK, we will say Wow! it was worth the waiting!!... and no, we dont like to wait... but mm someone said lets go to valve and burn it down? O.o mm.. a VALVe moderated list? what?... er mm mm (running away quickly) Juan Fernando ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
