[hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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unless it's against the law (aka trademark law, etc.) if the community name is trademarkedand you give Valve legal noticeperhaps maybe... then againValve should have policies in place for CyberSquatting much like ICANN..in cases where a third-party uses a name that they have no rights to without consent for the purpose of malicious intentfor example Micro$oft's official* serverwhich causes your computer to BSOD upon joining yea...let the lawyer bickering commence! On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:14 AM, John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Amen brother! And I sure hope valve will keep it that way. John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
But ITS FAKE SERVERS AND PLAYERS. You cant even connect to the servers or you get redicrected. Its makes the serverlist very messy. _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Check their IP addresses. I bet they are illegal or cracked. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:37:24 +0300, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.com wrote: But ITS FAKE SERVERS AND PLAYERS. You cant even connect to the servers or you get redicrected. Its makes the serverlist very messy. _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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please reply to the previous email, don't start a new topic each time (or change your mail client) On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene H geneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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On 2010-07-28 09:46, Christopher Szabo wrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. Ok, let me get this straight. There are servers that use YOUR name but can't be connected to. And they do that to advertise in the serverbrowser. So they advertise your name and gain nothing from it. What is the point? Promote your brand for fun? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Ken k...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene H geneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Or just harden up. Try contacting the server owners and ask them what the deal is. Appreciated people want to grow strong communities, but posting on a mailing list is not going to help. The most you can do is contact VALVe *i.e not this mailing list* and make them aware of the fake server listings. On 28/07/2010 7:20 PM, EVAgames Community wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Ken k...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene H geneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Valve controls the master sever list. They don't like fake server either. Let them know and see what happens. It can't hurt. On 28/07/2010, at 11:20 PM, EVAgames Community hlds_li...@evagames.eu wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Ken k...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene H geneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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There are three main reasons for some douche to run a fake server: 1) steal traffic from rival communities 2) damage reputation/image of targeted community/server 3) to spread malware via a MotD vulnerability Though the 3rd is less likely nowandays, back in the day, I ran into issues with a particular CS server community that faked the server I was running (with additional # to get it to appear on top) which would then redirect to their own server. Luckily, they were stupid enough to try to hack our servers and we were able to their game hosting accounts disabled due to ToS violations. Yea, who would've thought CS/TF2/etc would be so political... G. On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Oliver Salzburg oliversalzb...@web.de wrote: On 2010-07-28 09:46, Christopher Szabo wrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. Ok, let me get this straight. There are servers that use YOUR name but can't be connected to. And they do that to advertise in the serverbrowser. So they advertise your name and gain nothing from it. What is the point? Promote your brand for fun? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Ssssh! Don't tell certain lawyers that! (sarcasm symbol goes here) On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:20 AM, EVAgames Community hlds_li...@evagames.eu wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Ken k...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene H geneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabo sza...@hotmail.com wrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Well, Christopher said the server isn't actually there. And that it is basically only used to advertise in the server browser. So 1 is out of the question, and 3 is (as you said yourself) no longer an issue. Which leaves me with 2. Which is pretty fucked up :P On 2010-07-28 13:57, Gene wrote: There are three main reasons for some douche to run a fake server: 1) steal traffic from rival communities 2) damage reputation/image of targeted community/server 3) to spread malware via a MotD vulnerability Though the 3rd is less likely nowandays, back in the day, I ran into issues with a particular CS server community that faked the server I was running (with additional # to get it to appear on top) which would then redirect to their own server. Luckily, they were stupid enough to try to hack our servers and we were able to their game hosting accounts disabled due to ToS violations. Yea, who would've thought CS/TF2/etc would be so political... G. On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Oliver Salzburg oliversalzb...@web.de wrote: On 2010-07-28 09:46, Christopher Szabo wrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. Ok, let me get this straight. There are servers that use YOUR name but can't be connected to. And they do that to advertise in the serverbrowser. So they advertise your name and gain nothing from it. What is the point? Promote your brand for fun? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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They have a system for tf2, which makes running a redirect server or fakeserver pointless. It leads eventually to delisting bad servers. So whenever player connects and leaves, the server loses only points. I wouldn't be surprised if the system has already spread to other games too. Perhaps not to cs 1.6 though. -ics 28.7.2010 14:49, Ken kirjoitti: Valve controls the master sever list. They don't like fake server either. Let them know and see what happens. It can't hurt. On 28/07/2010, at 11:20 PM, EVAgames Communityhlds_li...@evagames.eu wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Kenk...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene Hgeneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabosza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
That always doesn't cut it though, as there are semi-popular servers using *Fake-Client* plugins/extensions to fill their servers up. Then again, that doesn't really have much to do with the topic at hand, I highly doubt it would ever make it's way to Counter-Strike 1.6. Look at VeeServers flooding the listing (haven't looked in a while, there were hundreds of listings previously). Kyle. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:34 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: They have a system for tf2, which makes running a redirect server or fakeserver pointless. It leads eventually to delisting bad servers. So whenever player connects and leaves, the server loses only points. I wouldn't be surprised if the system has already spread to other games too. Perhaps not to cs 1.6 though. -ics 28.7.2010 14:49, Ken kirjoitti: Valve controls the master sever list. They don't like fake server either. Let them know and see what happens. It can't hurt. On 28/07/2010, at 11:20 PM, EVAgames Communityhlds_li...@evagames.eu wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Kenk...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene Hgeneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabosza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
Well at least your fake servers have traffic on them.(jk) Seems to me you have worked hard to build your community/clan. Why not spend the money to trademark? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Johan shoot.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Amen brother! And I sure hope valve will keep it that way. John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
It's not cheap to trademark. I think it's around $300. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, tom nikitopoulos screwtop...@gmail.com wrote: Well at least your fake servers have traffic on them.(jk) Seems to me you have worked hard to build your community/clan. Why not spend the money to trademark? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Johan shoot.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Amen brother! And I sure hope valve will keep it that way. John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
Hi, The guy is faking some of our servers too. The best way is to contact the hosting compagny which seem to be krond.org. Regards, st...@ufbteam.com On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: It's not cheap to trademark. I think it's around $300. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, tom nikitopoulos screwtop...@gmail.com wrote: Well at least your fake servers have traffic on them.(jk) Seems to me you have worked hard to build your community/clan. Why not spend the money to trademark? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Johan shoot.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Amen brother! And I sure hope valve will keep it that way. John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
On my country is a bit more. :-) Sent from my shiny metal ass. :P On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:22:48 +0300, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It's not cheap to trademark. I think it's around $300. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, tom nikitopoulos screwtop...@gmail.com wrote: Well at least your fake servers have traffic on them.(jk) Seems to me you have worked hard to build your community/clan. Why not spend the money to trademark? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Johan shoot.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Amen brother! And I sure hope valve will keep it that way. John j883...@gmail.com wrote: Valve is doing nothing, nor should they be. People have the right to name their server whatever they'd like. On 07/28/2010 03:04 AM, Christopher Szabo wrote: Today I saw 10-20 servers with my communty-name. The problem is, the servers isn't ours Its fakeservers and fakeplayers on them. So what can i do about them? And why isn't VALVE doing something? Ive seen allot of fakeservers, cant you patch it somehow?.. They are hurting our name and brand. Print: http://www.brutalcs.nu/pictures/bildftp/fakeserves.jpg _ Klicka här! http://explore.live.com/windows-live-hotmail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
our community had this same problem about a yr ago. I called there Hosting company and explained in detail. A day or 2 later , there servers were renamed. I'd call there hosting company and explain they are naming there servers to match your own and drawing players from yours. Let them know your upset about it and not going to drop the issue till it's fixed. Maybe we got lucky idk, but it WORKED. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: That always doesn't cut it though, as there are semi-popular servers using *Fake-Client* plugins/extensions to fill their servers up. Then again, that doesn't really have much to do with the topic at hand, I highly doubt it would ever make it's way to Counter-Strike 1.6. Look at VeeServers flooding the listing (haven't looked in a while, there were hundreds of listings previously). Kyle. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:34 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote: They have a system for tf2, which makes running a redirect server or fakeserver pointless. It leads eventually to delisting bad servers. So whenever player connects and leaves, the server loses only points. I wouldn't be surprised if the system has already spread to other games too. Perhaps not to cs 1.6 though. -ics 28.7.2010 14:49, Ken kirjoitti: Valve controls the master sever list. They don't like fake server either. Let them know and see what happens. It can't hurt. On 28/07/2010, at 11:20 PM, EVAgames Communityhlds_li...@evagames.eu wrote: Lawyers will do nothing. Valve isn't hosting those fake servers. Someone is, so track down IP, and call ISP that IP belongs to. And if someone is faking Valve's master server list, it isn't Valve fault. Every communication is possible to interrupt and master server communication is not an exception. It would be insane to sue Apache foundation, because i would call my vhost for example microsoft.lt Think with your heads, people!.. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:15 +0300, Kenk...@thegplex.net wrote: I wouldn't bother with the lawyers, just trademark it and then just ask valve. If they don't do anything, then get the lawyers. Always make sure that you have your trademarks in order, or else someone can just come along and trademark it for you and basically take over your community name. AG had to become a company, so you might have to look into becoming an llc or something. It's not cheap, but so worth it. Then again, they were in canada, so check local laws. Anyway, back to the servers... On 28/07/2010, at 7:57 PM, Gene Hgeneharde...@gmail.com wrote: geezdo I have to hold your hand to the big boy's room? I gave you a potential solutionget your community name trademark.hire a lawyer to send Valve a notice of trademark infringement (caused by fake servers claiming your trademark)...then perhaps sue if Valve does nothing. Case closed. Sure, it may be expensive.but it's either the threat of a lawsuit or you give Valve a boatload of money to fix it; carrot or the stick (preferably, a stick with thorns on it) G. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Christopher Szabosza...@hotmail.comwrote: Why shouldn't VALVE fix it? Its fake, the server isn't really there and the players isn't there. The servers is there only for advertise in serverbrowser. Its not about the names, its about the serverlist getting BIG and messy. Its harder to find good REAL servers that works. _ Messenger i mobilen på 5 sekunder! http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/se-SE/Default.aspx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
Who ? Im friend with krond admin and my servers are there too On Jul 28, 2010 9:38 PM, Jérôme Andrieu hackzi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The guy is faking some of our servers too. The best way is to contact the hosting compagny which seem to be krond.org. Regards, st...@ufbteam.com On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It's not cheap to trademark. I think it's around $300. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jul 28, 2... -- ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Fake servers with our name...
FYI http://www.krond.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45t=1005 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Bajdechi Nightbox Alexandru alexandrualexa...@gmail.com wrote: -- ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
