Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-05 Terurut Topik Muhammad Razi
wah gak tau mas detilnya gimana,

ini tadi iseng googling dpt statementnya pak menteri begini:
pembelian minyak ke Angola bisa menghemat sebanyak US$ 2,5 juta per hari
atau setara Rp 15 triliun dalam satu tahun. Bahkan, jika Angola memasok 100
ribu barel per hari, maka seperempat impor minyak Indonesia telah
terpenuhi. 

mungkin beda harga dari asumsi APBN ke harga asli minyak angola kali ya
:

salam
Razi


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pemerintah Jokowi sesumbar bisa menghemat 2.5 juta dollar dengan mengimpor
 100 ribu barel dari Angola. Kalau dihitung itu bukannya lebih murah 25
 dollar per barel dari apapun yang dibeli sebelumnya?
 On Nov 5, 2014 12:52 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per barrel?
 setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

 angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

 salam
 Razi

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?





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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-05 Terurut Topik Eko Prasetyo
Kalau beda harga asumsi apbn, berarti semua harga minyak mentah ya sekarang
beda 20-an dollar per barel, berarti klaim palsu
On Nov 5, 2014 7:09 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah gak tau mas detilnya gimana,

 ini tadi iseng googling dpt statementnya pak menteri begini:
 pembelian minyak ke Angola bisa menghemat sebanyak US$ 2,5 juta per hari
 atau setara Rp 15 triliun dalam satu tahun. Bahkan, jika Angola memasok 100
 ribu barel per hari, maka seperempat impor minyak Indonesia telah
 terpenuhi. 

 mungkin beda harga dari asumsi APBN ke harga asli minyak angola kali ya
 :

 salam
 Razi


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Pemerintah Jokowi sesumbar bisa menghemat 2.5 juta dollar dengan
 mengimpor 100 ribu barel dari Angola. Kalau dihitung itu bukannya lebih
 murah 25 dollar per barel dari apapun yang dibeli sebelumnya?
 On Nov 5, 2014 12:52 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per
 barrel?
 setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

 angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

 salam
 Razi

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?



 
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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-05 Terurut Topik Franciscus B Sinartio - fbsinar...@yahoo.com
yg sekarang dibeli kan  minyak yg sdh diolah. sedangkan nanti beli dari Angola 
minyak mentah.
cuma mungkin 100 ribu barrel perhari itu tunggu refinery sdh selesai dibangun 
dan beroperasi

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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-05 Terurut Topik Eko Prasetyo
Indonesia bukannya impor minyak mentah juga untuk feed kilang2 cilacap dan
balongan?
On Nov 5, 2014 7:52 PM, Franciscus B Sinartio - fbsinar...@yahoo.com
SRS0-YA5D=73=yahoo.com=fbsinar...@iagi.or.id wrote:

 yg sekarang dibeli kan  minyak yg sdh diolah. sedangkan nanti beli dari
 Angola minyak mentah.
 cuma mungkin 100 ribu barrel perhari itu tunggu refinery sdh selesai
 dibangun dan beroperasi

 *fbs*

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   From:Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com
 Date:Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM
 Subject:Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

 wah gak tau mas detilnya gimana,

 ini tadi iseng googling dpt statementnya pak menteri begini:
 pembelian minyak ke Angola bisa menghemat sebanyak US$ 2,5 juta per hari
 atau setara Rp 15 triliun dalam satu tahun. Bahkan, jika Angola memasok 100
 ribu barel per hari, maka seperempat impor minyak Indonesia telah
 terpenuhi. 

 mungkin beda harga dari asumsi APBN ke harga asli minyak angola kali ya
 :

 salam
 Razi


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Pemerintah Jokowi sesumbar bisa menghemat 2.5 juta dollar dengan
 mengimpor 100 ribu barel dari Angola. Kalau dihitung itu bukannya lebih
 murah 25 dollar per barel dari apapun yang dibeli sebelumnya?
 On Nov 5, 2014 12:52 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per
 barrel?
 setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

 angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

 salam
 Razi

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?



 
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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-05 Terurut Topik liamsi
Sebetulnya bukan cara dan dari mana impor nya , tapi Bagaiamana agar Impor 
berkurang dan akhirnya Tidak sama sekali , Karena sesuai program  Trisakti 
salah satunya adalah Kemandirian di bidang energi, apalagi sekarang konsumsinya 
sdh kira kira 50 % dari impor

Ism



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Subject: Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows
Indonesia bukannya impor minyak mentah juga untuk feed kilang2 cilacap dan
balongan?
On Nov 5, 2014 7:52 PM, Franciscus B Sinartio - fbsinar...@yahoo.com
SRS0-YA5D=73=yahoo.com=fbsinar...@iagi.or.id wrote:

 yg sekarang dibeli kan  minyak yg sdh diolah. sedangkan nanti beli dari
 Angola minyak mentah.
 cuma mungkin 100 ribu barrel perhari itu tunggu refinery sdh selesai
 dibangun dan beroperasi

 *fbs*

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   From:Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com
 Date:Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM
 Subject:Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

 wah gak tau mas detilnya gimana,

 ini tadi iseng googling dpt statementnya pak menteri begini:
 pembelian minyak ke Angola bisa menghemat sebanyak US$ 2,5 juta per hari
 atau setara Rp 15 triliun dalam satu tahun. Bahkan, jika Angola memasok 100
 ribu barel per hari, maka seperempat impor minyak Indonesia telah
 terpenuhi. 

 mungkin beda harga dari asumsi APBN ke harga asli minyak angola kali ya
 :

 salam
 Razi


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Pemerintah Jokowi sesumbar bisa menghemat 2.5 juta dollar dengan
 mengimpor 100 ribu barel dari Angola. Kalau dihitung itu bukannya lebih
 murah 25 dollar per barel dari apapun yang dibeli sebelumnya?
 On Nov 5, 2014 12:52 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per
 barrel?
 setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

 angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

 salam
 Razi

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?



 
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[iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-04 Terurut Topik Muhammad Razi
Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/meet-the-players-helping-drive-oil-to-new-lows-2014-11-04

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, can be a
fearsome cartel when it's members all pull together and global economic
conditions, namely solidly rising oil demand, work in its favor. But the
situation can get ugly when production is in disarray, non-OPEC oil is
flowing fast and demand has petered. That's the case right now and it's
making for an interesting melodrama as oil prices CLZ4, -0.03%
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/clz4?mod=MW_story_quote  trade
at three-year lows. Here are the key players inside and outside of the
cartel:

1. Saudi Arabia

The world's largest petroleum exporter is the most important player in
OPEC. A decision Monday by Saudi Arabia to cut crude prices for December
delivery to the U.S. market sparked another leg down in oil futures.
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia has shown no inclination to throttle back
production and serve its usual role as the world's swing oil producer.

Oil prices have been falling first and foremost because of the excessive
supply of the stuff and more recently due to a growing number of OPEC
members defecting as they produce more oil than agreed, said Fawad
Razaqzada, analyst at Forex.com. News that Saudi has cut its asking price
to customers in the U.S. suggests even the largest OPEC producer is now
worried about its market share. This does not bode well for the future of
the cartel.

2. North America

North America's shale-oil boom is contributing to a global glut in crude
oil. And the fact the Saudis lowered prices for the U.S. market while
raising prices for Asia and Europe -- albeit after consecutive price cuts --
was taken by some analysts as confirmation that Saudis are all about
derailing higher-cost North American producers. See: Can Saudis beat North
Dakota in an oil price war?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/can-saudis-beat-north-dakota-in-an-oil-price-war-2014-10-08

The Saudis see predictions that U.S. oil imports could fall to zero by
2037 as a reason they need to nip the U.S. oil producer in the bud, said
Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at Price Futures Group. They are
threatened by U.S. oil production and they are acting to try to break the
U.S. producer's back.

3. Venezuela

While Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates enjoy enough of a
financial buffer to cut production if they were so inclined, other OPEC
members don't have the luxury and have to keep pumping as much oil as
possible to finance government spending, note analysts
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lower-oil-prices-carry-big-geopolitical-consequences-2014-11-04
at political risk consulting firm Stratfor.

Of those, Venezuela is the most at risk for major political repercussions,
they said in a Tuesday note: A decrease in revenue flowing into government
accounts is likely to hamper the government's ability to fund imports,
thereby exacerbating the current shortages of food and consumer goods. The
distribution of these heavily subsidized items has been crucial to securing
the public's support for the government.

Moreover, Venezuela is most likely to see Saudi Arabia's price cuts as an
affront, says Commerzbank strategist Eugen Weinberg. That's because the
country mainly supplies the U.S. market and was one of the few OPEC
members to demand that measures be taken to shore up oil prices, he says.

4. Russia

Russia is arguably the world's largest oil producer. Sanctions and weak oil
prices have combined to take a toll on the country's currency. Russia's
central bank hiked rates aggressively last week in an attempt to halt the
Russian ruble's steep slide, though some analysts thought the measures
smacked of panic.

Collapsing oil prices won't help the situation. Even if the decline is
largely over, prices are likely to remain near current levels for some
time, said Neil Shearing, chief emerging markets economist at Capital
Economics. At the same time, capital outflows are likely to remain high.
We estimate that over $100 billion will flow out of Russia this year. All
of this is a recipe for a weak ruble.

5. Norway

A beneficiary of the North Sea oil boom, Norway hasn't become addicted to
spending its petroleum-fueled largesse. It's used the proceeds to build one
of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds.

But that doesn't mean Norway won't have to adjust to lower oil prices
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/norway-to-spend-more-oil-cash-to-counter-slowdown-2014-10-08-44854058.
In a Tuesday report, the Financial Supervisory Authority of Norway warned
that a steep, lasting fall in the price of oil could have major negative
effects on the Norwegian economy.

Oil-related production earnings will take a hit while a further drop in the
oil price will intensify a drop in oil investment, the agency said, noting
that other industries and households stand to be affected by reduced
activity in the oil 

Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-04 Terurut Topik Eko Prasetyo
Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?
On Nov 5, 2014 10:58 AM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows


 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/meet-the-players-helping-drive-oil-to-new-lows-2014-11-04

 The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, can be a
 fearsome cartel when it’s members all pull together and global economic
 conditions, namely solidly rising oil demand, work in its favor. But the
 situation can get ugly when production is in disarray, non-OPEC oil is
 flowing fast and demand has petered. That’s the case right now and it’s
 making for an interesting melodrama as oil prices CLZ4, -0.03%
 http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/clz4?mod=MW_story_quote  trade
 at three-year lows. Here are the key players inside and outside of the
 cartel:

 1. Saudi Arabia

 The world’s largest petroleum exporter is the most important player in
 OPEC. A decision Monday by Saudi Arabia to cut crude prices for December
 delivery to the U.S. market sparked another leg down in oil futures.
 Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia has shown no inclination to throttle back
 production and serve its usual role as the world’s swing oil producer.

 “Oil prices have been falling first and foremost because of the excessive
 supply of the stuff and more recently due to a growing number of OPEC
 members defecting as they produce more oil than agreed,” said Fawad
 Razaqzada, analyst at Forex.com. “News that Saudi has cut its asking price
 to customers in the U.S. suggests even the largest OPEC producer is now
 worried about its market share. This does not bode well for the future of
 the cartel.”

 2. North America

 North America’s shale-oil boom is contributing to a global glut in crude
 oil. And the fact the Saudis lowered prices for the U.S. market while
 raising prices for Asia and Europe — albeit after consecutive price cuts —
 was taken by some analysts as confirmation that Saudis are all about
 derailing higher-cost North American producers. See: Can Saudis beat
 North Dakota in an oil price war?
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/can-saudis-beat-north-dakota-in-an-oil-price-war-2014-10-08

 The Saudis see predictions that U.S. oil imports “could fall to zero by
 2037 as a reason they need to nip the U.S. oil producer in the bud,” said
 Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at Price Futures Group. “They are
 threatened by U.S. oil production and they are acting to try to break the
 U.S. producer’s back.”

 3. Venezuela

 While Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates enjoy enough of a
 financial buffer to cut production if they were so inclined, other OPEC
 members don’t have the luxury and have to keep pumping as much oil as
 possible to finance government spending, note analysts
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lower-oil-prices-carry-big-geopolitical-consequences-2014-11-04
 at political risk consulting firm Stratfor.

 Of those, Venezuela is the most at risk for major political repercussions,
 they said in a Tuesday note: “A decrease in revenue flowing into government
 accounts is likely to hamper the government’s ability to fund imports,
 thereby exacerbating the current shortages of food and consumer goods. The
 distribution of these heavily subsidized items has been crucial to securing
 the public’s support for the government.”

 Moreover, Venezuela is most likely to see Saudi Arabia’s price cuts as an
 affront, says Commerzbank strategist Eugen Weinberg. That’s because the
 country “mainly supplies the U.S. market and was one of the few OPEC
 members to demand that measures be taken to shore up oil prices,” he says.

 4. Russia

 Russia is arguably the world’s largest oil producer. Sanctions and weak
 oil prices have combined to take a toll on the country’s currency. Russia’s
 central bank hiked rates aggressively last week in an attempt to halt the
 Russian ruble’s steep slide, though some analysts thought the measures
 smacked of panic.

 Collapsing oil prices won’t help the situation. Even if the decline is
 largely over, prices are likely to remain near current levels for some
 time, said Neil Shearing, chief emerging markets economist at Capital
 Economics. “At the same time, capital outflows are likely to remain high.
 We estimate that over $100 billion will flow out of Russia this year. All
 of this is a recipe for a weak ruble.”

 5. Norway

 A beneficiary of the North Sea oil boom, Norway hasn’t become addicted to
 spending its petroleum-fueled largesse. It’s used the proceeds to build one
 of the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds.

 But that doesn’t mean Norway won’t have to adjust to lower oil prices
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/norway-to-spend-more-oil-cash-to-counter-slowdown-2014-10-08-44854058.
 In a Tuesday report, the Financial Supervisory Authority of Norway warned
 that a “steep, lasting fall in the price of oil could have major negative
 effects on the Norwegian economy.”

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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-04 Terurut Topik Muhammad Razi
wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per barrel?
setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

salam
Razi

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?




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Re: [iagi-net] Meet the players helping drive oil to new lows

2014-11-04 Terurut Topik Eko Prasetyo
Pemerintah Jokowi sesumbar bisa menghemat 2.5 juta dollar dengan mengimpor
100 ribu barel dari Angola. Kalau dihitung itu bukannya lebih murah 25
dollar per barel dari apapun yang dibeli sebelumnya?
On Nov 5, 2014 12:52 PM, Muhammad Razi mufar...@gmail.com wrote:

 wah berita dari mana mas harga minyak angola lebih murah 25USD per barrel?
 setahuku hanya 5-6 dolar lebih murah, cmiiw

 angola itu anggota opec, harga crudenya biasanya pakai basis harga brent

 salam
 Razi

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Eko Prasetyo strivea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gimana dengan Angola yang katanya bisa 25 dollar lebih murah?



 
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