Re: Help settle a job title/role debate

2007-05-15 Thread James Smith
Bob

Like you I encountered a couple of exceptionally talented and helpful SE's
in the 80's - perhaps it was location dependent. Later, arriving in the
Great White North I was saddened to find the position had been reduced to
that of a 'Sales Expediter'. 

James F. Smith
 

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By 1965 the SE became not much more than the guy you called to order
manuals, as all of them with half a brain were pulled into the S/360
development effort.

That's a bit harsh. I has two exceptional SEs, one in the early 1980s
and one in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Of course, I haven't seen an SE
in a long, long time.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: ISR only with SW contract

2007-05-15 Thread James Smith
I set up an IBM ID for two customers recently.  Then began the process of
registering for Shopzseries.  Didn't get very far as neither customer number
was found in the database!!!   Gave up.  

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On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 09:32 -0400, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:

 Yes, this sounds very strange to me as well.  The only thing you need is 
 an id on ShopzSeries so that you can obtain a certificate that will 
 identify you to the server.  I don't believe getting a ShopzSeries id is 
 related to a SW support contract, so I think what you heard is false. 
 Perhaps someone is confusing SMP/E Internet Service Retrieval with some 
 of the fee service offerings (the names of which escape me).

Perhaps you  might investigate this Kurt.
Some little time back (Jan 1, 2005 maybe) things changed. Shopz used to
have a simple (well, IBM web-based - you get the idea) registration -
for themselves.
Was flexible enough for me to use for several different clients.

Then they changed to using the one-and-only IBM id.
After it changed I was unable to place an order for a (any) customer
with my one-and-only id because it has (er had) a non-customer email
address. My email address at an IBM business partner who sells these
particular customers their processors/services.
I now have to get a (valid) email address at each customer - seems it
must be in a domain name registered to the client. Then I update my
one-and-only id profile, then place the order with the applicable
(IBM) customer number, then hope the mail comes through.
Rinse and repeat for next customer.
Serious PITA.

I raised this with ISC here in Australia, and they didn't appear to
believe me initially. Finally got through to some-one who was prepared
to follow it up and the response was:
tough.
The process had changed, and we had all better learn to live with it.

Shane ...

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Re: zAAP for zip ?

2007-05-15 Thread Timothy Sipples
Miklos,

You can call Java methods from a C++ program on z/OS.  The way you would go
about doing that is to use JNI (Java Native Interface).  JNI allows Java
programs to call native code (e.g. C++ methods), and vice versa.  It looks
like you'll want the C++ program invoking a Java method (the vice versa).

IBM has a redbook (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com) which delves into this
topic at least a bit.  Here's the direct link:

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247291.html

One of the examples provided is Enterprise (OO) COBOL invoking Java, and
that should give you enough information to get going since it's quite
similar.  (I did a little searching but didn't find a good C++ invoking
Java example.)

I think we'd all be interested to learn your results, by the way.  Sounds
like an interesting project.

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


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 When I try to open the dataset using ispf 3.4, it says the dataset is
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 I can find out who is using the dataset. May I know what can I do to
 release the dataset from the user?
 
 Thanks for attention.
 

1. If you have CA-MIM, it will try to release the dataset.
2. Call the user and ask him/her to release the dataset.
3. Cancel the user.

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Re: ISR only with SW contract

2007-05-15 Thread Tomas Fott
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:23:51 +0800, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I set up an IBM ID for two customers recently.  Then began the process of
registering for Shopzseries.  Didn't get very far as neither customer number
was found in the database!!!   Gave up.

Try to enter customer number without leading zero.

Tomas

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Re: Virtual tape limits (Was: OEM software electronic download report card)

2007-05-15 Thread R.S.

Mark Zelden wrote:
[...] 

I don't know the actual numbers, but I am going by how many MVCs we send
off site each day and how full they are.


Do you physically move MVCs offsite ???
Why?
I thought, you told us all your data is replicated using VSM Clustering.
So, why to move any physical cart ?

BTW: Even without clustering it is not necessary to move MVCs, since you can 
write VTVs on two MVCs in two ACSes (in two locations).

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Re: ISR only with SW contract

2007-05-15 Thread james
Tomas

Didn't think to try that - will give it a go next week

regards


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On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:23:51 +0800, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I set up an IBM ID for two customers recently.  Then began the process of
registering for Shopzseries.  Didn't get very far as neither customer
number
was found in the database!!!   Gave up.

Try to enter customer number without leading zero.

Tomas

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PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread willie bunter
Hi,
   
  I am attempting to put a disk address offline in a JES3 environment.  
   
  I tried the commands below but I received the following error messages:
   
  $V,9F46,OFFLINE,ALL
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

  $V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01 (MVS01 is the partition)   
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID 

  I looked up the IEE305I message but it didn't help.
   
  Any suggestions as to what I am missing.
   
  Thanks.

   
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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 15 May 2007 03:41:42 -0700, willie bunter wrote:

  I am attempting to put a disk address offline in a JES3 environment.

  I tried the commands below but I received the following error messages:

  $V,9F46,OFFLINE,ALL
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

  $V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01 (MVS01 is the partition)
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

  I looked up the IEE305I message but it didn't help.

It's an MVS message, not a JES3 message.  Your commands are not making it 
to JES3.  $ is not the usual JES3 command prefix.  * is the default sysplex 
scope command prefix, though your installation may have changed it.

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread willie bunter
I checked with our OPS department and they use *.  I tried the command but I 
got errors for both commands.  Could it be that the command cannot be entered 
via SDSF?   
  *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

   
  /*vary 9F46,offline,ALL
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD 


Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 15 May 2007 03:41:42 -0700, willie bunter wrote:

 I am attempting to put a disk address offline in a JES3 environment.

 I tried the commands below but I received the following error messages:

 $V,9F46,OFFLINE,ALL
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

 $V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01 (MVS01 is the partition)
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

 I looked up the IEE305I message but it didn't help.

It's an MVS message, not a JES3 message. Your commands are not making it 
to JES3. $ is not the usual JES3 command prefix. * is the default sysplex 
scope command prefix, though your installation may have changed it.

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Shane
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 05:01 -0700, willie bunter wrote:

 *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

Try it with a leading slash - don't know if it's relevant to JES3;
*V,/9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 15 May 2007 05:01:46 -0700, willie bunter wrote:

I checked with our OPS department and they use *.  I tried the command 
but I got errors for both commands.  Could it be that the command cannot be 
entered via SDSF?
  *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD


  /*vary 9F46,offline,ALL
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

You've gotten closer.  This time the command was rejected by JES3.  Is 9F46 
a JES3 controlled device?

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread willie bunter
I tried it but the command failed  (command is invalid).  

Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 05:01 -0700, willie 
bunter wrote:

 *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

Try it with a leading slash - don't know if it's relevant to JES3;
*V,/9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread willie bunter
I don't know how to find that out.  All I know is that the environment is a 
JES3 environemnt.

Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Tue, 15 May 2007 05:01:46 -0700, 
willie bunter wrote:

I checked with our OPS department and they use *. I tried the command 
but I got errors for both commands. Could it be that the command cannot be 
entered via SDSF?
 *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD


 /*vary 9F46,offline,ALL
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

You've gotten closer. This time the command was rejected by JES3. Is 9F46 
a JES3 controlled device?

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Compton, John
Ummm   shouldn't that be a space between the 'v' and the unit number...

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I checked with our OPS department and they use *.  I tried the command but I
got errors for both commands.  Could it be that the command cannot be
entered via SDSF?   
  *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

   
  /*vary 9F46,offline,ALL
 IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD 


Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 15 May 2007 03:41:42 -0700, willie bunter wrote:

 I am attempting to put a disk address offline in a JES3 environment.

 I tried the commands below but I received the following error messages:

 $V,9F46,OFFLINE,ALL
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

 $V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01 (MVS01 is the partition)
IEE305I $V,9F46, COMMAND INVALID

 I looked up the IEE305I message but it didn't help.

It's an MVS message, not a JES3 message. Your commands are not making it 
to JES3. $ is not the usual JES3 command prefix. * is the default sysplex 
scope command prefix, though your installation may have changed it.

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Re: Virtual tape limits (Was: OEM software electronic download report card)

2007-05-15 Thread Ron Hawkins
Radoslaw,

That's true enough, and the MIPS would have to be factored in to the
equation. But I would have to ask how much tape activity is happening during
the MIPS peak that currently drives your CPU capacity? Is there enough tape
activity for the compression MIPS to bring your next upgrade forward? 

The majority of tape activity is usually backup and archive. It is not my
experience to see a large number of tape backups running during the batch or
online peak, and DFHSM archive activity is almost always scheduled during
the CPU valleys. I rarely find tape jobs in the batch critical path, which
makes them a workload that can run in service classes with relatively low
importance.

I implemented DFSMS compression for DASD in the past, and it did not have a
huge impact on MIPS. I hear this is also the case for many IAM users, as
well as some of the ISV compression products. I expect VTFM would be similar
to these products.

Yes, compression will use some extra CPU time, but the cost is measured in
how it affects your upgrades.

Ron

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  Mark,
 
  A few problems I see with this article:
 
  1) They purchased the tape libraries based on 2:1 compression and the
 SATA
  with zero compression. Virtual tape software will compress the data on
 disk
  at the same rate as tape.
 [...]
 To be fair... AFAIK the compression is made by CPU. *Mainframe CPU*. What
 resoucre is more expensive ?
 I know some installation (few dozen Terabytes) of virtual tapes on disk.
 The most expensive DASD is used to waste the most expensive CPU cycles and
 store the least important (from the performance point of view) data.
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Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped

2007-05-15 Thread Greg Price
Thompson, Steve wrote:
 Folks:
 
 Just in case some of you weren't around in the mid-80s doing development
 and the like, IBM decided to go OCO (we will drop the cause of this
 decision) and the CEO (Ackers - if I remember the spelling of his name)
 promised that nothing would go OCO until it had been correctly
 documented. NaSPA was hot on IBM about this and many of us watched as
 this promise was, well, given short shrift.

I think I've still got my Just say NO to OCO T-shirt that I bought at a 
NaSTEC.

I wore it the next year but the NaSPA hard line against OCO seemed to have
evaporated.  A NaSTEC attendee pointed to my T-shirt and asked what OCO
stood for.  How quickly we forget...

:)

Cheers,
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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Larre Shiller
Try issuing the JES3 Inquiry command:

*I D,D=9F46

And if you get:

IAT8570 DEVICE=9F46 NOT FOUND  
IAT8500 INQUIRY ON DEVICES COMPLETE

You'll know it's not a JES3-managed device and you can just use the MVS 
VARY command.

Larre

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Re: ISR only with SW contract

2007-05-15 Thread Ed Finnell
 
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Didn't  get very far as neither customer number
was found in the  database!!!   Gave up.  





Seems like they could run Quicken Books and not embarrass themselves so  
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Re: Virtual tape limits (Was: OEM software electronic download report card)

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:51:20 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark Zelden wrote:
[...]
 I don't know the actual numbers, but I am going by how many MVCs we send
 off site each day and how full they are.

Do you physically move MVCs offsite ???
Why?
I thought, you told us all your data is replicated using VSM Clustering.
So, why to move any physical cart ?

That was Shane.  I never said that. 


BTW: Even without clustering it is not necessary to move MVCs, since you
can write VTVs on two MVCs in two ACSes (in two locations).


Correct.  We are looking at doing one of the two methods hopefully by
the end of this year.  Unfortunately at the moment we still work with 
PTAM (Pickup Truck Access Method). 

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Re: Virtual tape limits (Was: OEM software electronic download report card)

2007-05-15 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/15/2007 8:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

the end  of this year.  Unfortunately at the moment we still work with 
PTAM  (Pickup Truck Access Method). 





Don't the Feds/auditors enforce BPTAM(Bonded  PTAM)?



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Re: Shared HFS

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:22:25 -0400, Schramm, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
one.

  Once
you turn it on for a couple of systems .. they are linked.


True.

I don't have just one SYS1.PARMLIB or just one SYS1.PROCLIB (although we
try to keep it down to just a couple).


You should try and have (at least) one that is shared between systems
in the same sysplex.

I had really wanted to be able to share things where it made sense..
like between a couple of systems in that were production... or the /etc
between multiple system (have dev share, have prod share)  but not all
of them ( I have a plex with 2 tech systems, 2 dev systems and 9 prod
systems ) 

No reason why you can't **.   That is what the parms are for in BPXPRMxx.
You still have to accommodate the HFS names that are used in your
non-sharing systems in the sysplex, but they don't have to be part
of the sharing group.   

** You can't share /etc, /dev, /var, and /tmp - these all get resolved
under $SYSNAME.

What I ended up doing is mounting all the binary stuff
read-only and sharing them.  Every other file system is done system by
system.


The same way we share the root and other HFS files in non-HFS sharing
environments - even across sysplexes.   Mount read only.

I would really like ZFS/HFS files to be managed in some sort of
grouping... maybe more like the JES2 XCF group where we give it a name
to keep them all separate within the same plex.  

It is... but one group.  So you are limited to one group per plex, but
not all systems have to play along.


sharing where I can actually define what I want to share and what I
don't.


snip

OKay... now I understand where you are going.  You want to share
HFS A and B in the sharing group, but not C.  You are correct... once
a system is in the sharing group... it's all or nothing.But if you 
think of sysplex as a single image (the way it was intended to be),
it makes sense.

But why?  Is it just because it is HFS (or zFS)?  I assume you have
shared dasd between those systems you mentioned.  Do you any
MVS data sets that are shared only between prod systems and not
on devl systems?  Is the access level of DSN=? any different from
the prod systems vs. the development systems?

Explain the requirement and why you need it better please.

Regards,

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Re: Virtual tape limits (Was: OEM software electronic download report card)

2007-05-15 Thread John Ticic
-- snip --

BTW: Even without clustering it is not necessary to move MVCs, since you
can write VTVs on two MVCs in two ACSes (in two locations).


Correct.  We are looking at doing one of the two methods hopefully by
the end of this year.  Unfortunately at the moment we still work with
PTAM (Pickup Truck Access Method).
-- snip --

One of the considerations that needs to be looked at when writing tape to
two locations is how it is done.

The cheaper method is asynchronous, namely, the logical tape gets written
to the physical backend media at some time 'in the near future'. If you
don't need any synchronisation between DASD and Tape at your remote
location, that's OK.
Depending on how busy the VSM boxes are, the writing of the logical volume
to the physical media could take a while (many hours).

Ensure you carefully define your response time objectives and see if you
can meet them.

John

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Install gripe #11

2007-05-15 Thread Thomas Conley
Hey IBM and vendors:

SMPWRK5 has not been used in about 20 years, since SMP4 went away.  
STOP USING THE DDDEF FOR IT ALREADY!

Sheesh,
Tom Conley

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Re: Shared HFS

2007-05-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:10:18 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente wrote:

I want to prepare a Monoplex system for a easy migration into a Sysplex. So
I want to implement Shared HFS without being in a Sysplex, but the IPL
failed when starting USSs. My question is: Can I use the Version parameter
while I'm using Sysplex(NO) parameter?

Is NFS an option?  We use it fairly successfully for sharing across sysplexes,
largely for home directories.

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syhchronize tape gdgS

2007-05-15 Thread Judy Ellis
Hi,

I create daily tape DR backups. I want to sychronize the GDGs for disaster 
recovery so that I do not have to code different version numbers in the JCL 
when I recover DASD.

How is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

Judy Ellis

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Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped

2007-05-15 Thread Mark H. Young
On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:28:49 +1000, Greg Price 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thompson, Steve wrote:
 Folks:

 Just in case some of you weren't around in the mid-80s doing development
 and the like, IBM decided to go OCO (we will drop the cause of this
 decision) and the CEO (Ackers - if I remember the spelling of his name)
 promised that nothing would go OCO until it had been correctly
 documented. NaSPA was hot on IBM about this and many of us watched as
 this promise was, well, given short shrift.

I think I've still got my Just say NO to OCO T-shirt that I bought at a 
NaSTEC.


Did they ever sell similar T-shirts at any SHARE conferences?
What year and city.if anyone remembers?


...mhyI

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DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Jim McAlpine

As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites for DB2 V8.  I
have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the incompatibilities in code page
betweed SPUFI and the ISPF terminal like this -

DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION
BECAUSE THE

CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I have rebound
the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't find out  where  the ISPF
ccsid is specified to enable me to change it.  Any pointers.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is either a batch job
or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD and then handle
it appropriately.

Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may ENQ
on protected data set names?

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Re: syhchronize tape gdgS

2007-05-15 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
If you backup the volume(s) containing the catalog entries.
Then restore it at DR.
Import connect said catalog to the driving floor system at DR. Almost
forgot - define alias pointing to usercat for DR HLQs.
You won't have to worry about coding jcl pointing to specific GDG. The
catalog will do it for you. 

-Original Message-
From: Judy Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: syhchronize tape gdgS

Hi,

I create daily tape DR backups. I want to sychronize the GDGs for
disaster recovery so that I do not have to code different version
numbers in the JCL when I recover DASD.

How is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

Judy Ellis

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Mike Bell

The SPUFI is checking DSNZPARM and DSNHDECP for the CCSID. The person who
installs DB2 set those.

It is a good time to review all the CCSID's in all the products because DB2
is now converting between CCSID's if they are different.

CCSID conversion is not free.


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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 
 Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is either a
batch job
 or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD and then
handle
 it appropriately.
 
 Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may
ENQ
 on protected data set names?
 
 -- gil

It does: via the restriction who can read or update the dataset, ain't
it?

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:03:56 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is either a batch job
or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD and then 
handle it appropriately.

Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may ENQ
on protected data set names?
 
 
RACF would support them just fine - it simply has never been asked to do so!
 
SMF would support them just fine, too, but it has never been asked to do so 
either.
 
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Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Gary Green
SIAC is migrating 1600 MIPS from the mainframe to save money.

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1254860,00.html

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FTP space error

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Pace

I'm trying to FTP a really large file from a Linux FTP server to zOS.
I keep ending with a B37-04   end of volume.

It appears to me that FTP will not go to a secondary volume. It takes
secondary allocations on the one volume and then ends when it fills the
volume.  The file would be SMS managed and other files that fall in the same
naming scheme will go to multiple volumes.  I'm wondering if it is an FTP
specific problem.

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:04 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS
 
 
 On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 
 Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is 
 either a batch job
 or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD 
 and then handle
 it appropriately.
 
 Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users 
 who may ENQ
 on protected data set names?
 
 -- gil

Wrong question. The proper question could possibly be: Why doesn't
ALLOCATION or maybe ENQ issue a RACF query to determine if a user may
use a particular resource? Please remember that RACF only answers a
question of the form: Can user ??? access resource ??? in mode ???.
The answer can be yes, no, or not defined. It is up to the program
which issued the RACROUTE to determine what to do with the answer.

Now, as to a dataset access in JCL, a job can attempt to access a
dataset in many different modes (ALTER to create or delete, CONTROL for
some VSAM options such as ICI, UPDATE for update or READ to read it).
Except in the case of creating or deleting a dataset, the access
required is not known until the program actually issues the OPEN for it.
So the initiator, which allocates the dataset, cannot know before then
what ACCESS to request. Now, you could argue that if the ACCESS is NONE,
then the initiator could give an immediate JCL error and I would agree.
But that is up to the initiator code to check and respond to. It is not
up to RACF. RACF is not a traffic cop monitoring everything via some
sort of hook. RACF is an information counter and if you don't ask, he
doesn't go grabbing you and forcing information upon you (so to speak).

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Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped

2007-05-15 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 08:59 -0500, Mark H. Young wrote:
 Did they ever sell similar T-shirts at any SHARE conferences?

There were buttons, of course.  Search Barry Merrill's collection:
http://www.mxg.com/thebuttonman/search.asp
for OCO.

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Ray Mullins
Assuming TN3270, the ISPF variable ZTERMCID is set by the value specified
when the TN3270 session is negotiated.  I don't believe you can override
this inside ISPF, but I could be mistaken.  That might be a question for
ISPF-L.

Code page Z variables are documented here:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzdg50/11.1.1

Later,
Ray

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jim McAlpine
Sent: Tuesday May 15 2007 07:01
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites for DB2 V8.  I
have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the incompatibilities in code page
betweed SPUFI and the ISPF terminal like this -

DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION
BECAUSE THE

CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I have rebound
the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't find out  where  the ISPF
ccsid is specified to enable me to change it.  Any pointers.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: FTP space error

2007-05-15 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:25 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: FTP space error
 
 
 I'm trying to FTP a really large file from a Linux FTP server to zOS.
 I keep ending with a B37-04   end of volume.
 
 It appears to me that FTP will not go to a secondary volume. It takes
 secondary allocations on the one volume and then ends when it 
 fills the
 volume.  The file would be SMS managed and other files that 
 fall in the same
 naming scheme will go to multiple volumes.  I'm wondering if 
 it is an FTP
 specific problem.
 
 -- 
 Mark Pace
 Mainline Information Systems

No, it is not ftp specific. I have used the command below to allow up to
20 volumes of output successfully.

QUOTE SITE VCOUNT=20 UCOUNT=20

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Jim McAlpine

There is no ccsid specified in DSNZPARM, and in our case the ccsid is
correctly set to 1146 in DSNHDECP.  The DSNE345I message is specifically
warning about the discrepancy in the ccsid of the terminal versus the
ccsid of SPUFI.  The hold data of the ptf say  Ensure that the user's TSO
terminal configuration is updated to use a CCSID of spufi-ccsid. and in
our case our terminal emulator is also using ccsid 1146.  Does ISPF have
its' own ccsid configured anywhere.

Jim McAlpine



On 5/15/07, Mike Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The SPUFI is checking DSNZPARM and DSNHDECP for the CCSID. The person who
installs DB2 set those.

It is a good time to review all the CCSID's in all the products because
DB2
is now converting between CCSID's if they are different.

CCSID conversion is not free.


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Re: FTP space error

2007-05-15 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Can you specify a volume count on the unit parameter? Else you'll have
to talk to the storage admins as to why this file is getting a data
class which has volume count set to 1. 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Pace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: FTP space error

I'm trying to FTP a really large file from a Linux FTP server to zOS.
I keep ending with a B37-04   end of volume.

It appears to me that FTP will not go to a secondary volume. It takes
secondary allocations on the one volume and then ends when it fills the
volume.  The file would be SMS managed and other files that fall in the
same naming scheme will go to multiple volumes.  I'm wondering if it is
an FTP specific problem.

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Jim McAlpine

In which case I don't quite understand because the value of ZTERMCID is 37
but our emulator is using 1146.  Any further ideas.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/15/07, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Assuming TN3270, the ISPF variable ZTERMCID is set by the value specified
when the TN3270 session is negotiated.  I don't believe you can override
this inside ISPF, but I could be mistaken.  That might be a question for
ISPF-L.

Code page Z variables are documented here:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzdg50/11.1.1

Later,
Ray

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
Of Jim McAlpine
Sent: Tuesday May 15 2007 07:01
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites for DB2
V8.  I
have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the incompatibilities in code page
betweed SPUFI and the ISPF terminal like this -

DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION
BECAUSE THE

CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I have
rebound
the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't find out  where  the
ISPF
ccsid is specified to enable me to change it.  Any pointers.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: FTP space error

2007-05-15 Thread John Kington
Mark,

 I'm trying to FTP a really large file from a Linux FTP server to zOS.
 I keep ending with a B37-04   end of volume.

 It appears to me that FTP will not go to a secondary volume. It takes
 secondary allocations on the one volume and then ends when it fills the
 volume.  The file would be SMS managed and other files that fall in the
same
 naming scheme will go to multiple volumes.  I'm wondering if it is an FTP
 specific problem.

Use vcount= to specify number of tape volumes and ucount= to specify
the number of candidate (dasd) volumes.
Regards,
John

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread R.S.

McKown, John wrote:

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS


On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is 

either a batch job
or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD 

and then handle

it appropriately.

Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users 
who may ENQ

on protected data set names?

-- gil


Wrong question. The proper question could possibly be: Why doesn't
ALLOCATION or maybe ENQ issue a RACF query to determine if a user may
use a particular resource? Please remember that RACF only answers a
question of the form: Can user ??? access resource ??? in mode ???.
The answer can be yes, no, or not defined. It is up to the program
which issued the RACROUTE to determine what to do with the answer.


Agreed. However ENQs sometimes are performance-sensitive. ENQ time is simply to 
short to be increased by RACF call.

From the other hand enq is done BEFORE RACF is checked against dataset 
authority. This check could be done before enq, thus avoiding unnecessary EMQs.


My $0.02
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Richards.Bob
I wonder if they will reveal the costs of extra hw/sw for
high-availability and business continuance associated with this
migration. Probably not.


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Re: FTP space error

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Pace

On 5/15/07, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



No, it is not ftp specific. I have used the command below to allow up to
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QUOTE SITE VCOUNT=20 UCOUNT=20

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
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that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richards.Bob) writes:
 I wonder if they will reveal the costs of extra hw/sw for
 high-availability and business continuance associated with this
 migration. Probably not.

when we were doing the ha/cmp product, they were one of the customers we
called on
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

also, I had been asked to write a section in the corporate continuous
availability strategy document. most of my writing got pulled because
both Rochester and POK complained (that at the time, they couldn't meet
what we were doing in ha/cmp).

it was also in this period that we coined the terms disaster
survivability and geographic survivability (to differentiate from
disaster/recovery)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#available

for other drift, old email about what we had been doing
about ha/cmp scaleup
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

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rexx sample

2007-05-15 Thread jalili
Hi all,
Does anybody out there have a sample in REXX to send a message to console and 
get a response from  operator ,something like WTOR(write to operator with 
reply) macro in assembly?
Any help is highly appretiated.

Regards,
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Jacobs

Richards.Bob wrote:

I wonder if they will reveal the costs of extra hw/sw for
high-availability and business continuance associated with this
migration. Probably not.


Bob Richards 

  
The intangible benefits  of the mainframe environment never seem to be 
factored into the pricing process. Its harder to add these benefits into 
a proper analysis of course than it is to totally ignore them and just 
look at the dollars.


But the lack of these benefits on the cheaper environments usually bites 
you in the a** sometime in the future. But by then the people making 
these decisions have walked away with their bonuses and leave the 
fallout to the peons to handle.


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Re: rexx sample

2007-05-15 Thread Barkow, Eileen
You probably need to run this clist under Netview, not TSO.
I have Netview clists that send msgs and get responses, but we also run
SA so some of the functions may not work without it. 

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Hi all,
Does anybody out there have a sample in REXX to send a message to
console and get a response from  operator ,something like WTOR(write to
operator with reply) macro in assembly?
Any help is highly appretiated.

Regards,
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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:25:39 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 
 Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users
 who may ENQ
 on protected data set names?

Wrong question. The proper question could possibly be: Why doesn't
ALLOCATION or maybe ENQ issue a RACF query to determine if a user may
use a particular resource? Please remember that RACF only answers a
question of the form: Can user ??? access resource ??? in mode ???.
The answer can be yes, no, or not defined. It is up to the program
which issued the RACROUTE to determine what to do with the answer.

Thanks for the clarification; I stand corrected.

Now, as to a dataset access in JCL, a job can attempt to access a
dataset in many different modes (ALTER to create or delete, CONTROL for
some VSAM options such as ICI, UPDATE for update or READ to read it).
Except in the case of creating or deleting a dataset, the access
required is not known until the program actually issues the OPEN for it.
So the initiator, which allocates the dataset, cannot know before then
what ACCESS to request. Now, you could argue that if the ACCESS is NONE,
then the initiator could give an immediate JCL error and I would agree.
But that is up to the initiator code to check and respond to. It is not
up to RACF. RACF is not a traffic cop monitoring everything via some
sort of hook. RACF is an information counter and if you don't ask, he
doesn't go grabbing you and forcing information upon you (so to speak).

And now I'll try to clarify my intent.  The resource in question here is
not the data set proper, but control of use of its name via ENQ.  This
is a real resource, subject to real contention as evidenced by the OP's
problem.  It should not be possible for interlopers to preempt it from
legitimate users.  Consider:

//STEP1  EXEC  PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='pgm sleep '
//STEP2  EXEC  PGM=IEFBR14,COND=(0,LE)
//SYSUT1 DDDISP=MOD,DSN=SYS1.WHATEVER

As far as I know, this job will run without error even if the owner has
ACCESS=NONE to SYS1.WHATEVER.  But for nearly three hours other users will
be unable to allocate SYS1.WHATEVER.  There ought to be enforcement of a
rule against this.  And, in my view, that enforcement ought more properly
to be done not by allocation nor by the initiator, but by GRS, the most
proximate component.  And this is different from the current protocol
controlling access to data sets: it's quite appropriate that a user should
be denied EXC access to a PDSE even though he may have UPDATE access to
edit members, for example.

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Am I the only one frightened by these statements?

Luckily I don't work there.

On Tue, 15 May 2007 05:14:42 -0700 willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:I don't know how to find that out.  All I know is that the environment is a 
JES3 environemnt.

:Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Tue, 15 May 2007 05:01:46 -0700, 
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:I checked with our OPS department and they use *. I tried the command 
:but I got errors for both commands. Could it be that the command cannot be 
:entered via SDSF?
: *V,9F46,OFFLINE,MVS01
:IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

: /*vary 9F46,offline,ALL
: IAT8188 9F46 IS AN INVALID VARY FIELD

:You've gotten closer. This time the command was rejected by JES3. Is 9F46 
:a JES3 controlled device?

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Re: syhchronize tape gdgS

2007-05-15 Thread Larry Crilley
This (full volume backup/restore) certainly works for tape GDGs.  The issue
you are left with, if you do not move all your volumes, are the orphaned
entries in the catalog for your other datasets.  Generating DELETE NOSCRATCH
cards and submitting them to IDCAMS can be a very painfully slow process.
Several products on the market, of which T-REX is one, can SCRUB the
catalogs and synchronize them with the DASD farm quickly.  

Another option would be to backup your catalog and 'scrub' the entries as
they are loaded back into the catalog.  By never restoring the entries on
the reload, you never have to scrub them.  
 
 
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If you backup the volume(s) containing the catalog entries.
Then restore it at DR.
Import connect said catalog to the driving floor system at DR. Almost
forgot - define alias pointing to usercat for DR HLQs.
You won't have to worry about coding jcl pointing to specific GDG. The
catalog will do it for you. 

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Hi,

I create daily tape DR backups. I want to sychronize the GDGs for
disaster recovery so that I do not have to code different version
numbers in the JCL when I recover DASD.

How is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Dan Ternosky
I would prefer that Dani get another babysitter.












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Re: rexx sample

2007-05-15 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Jalili,

try with this site: http://www.sscmainframe.com/freeware.htm

and download program ALXRWTOR. Then assemble it and make the use you
need.

Hope this helps.

_
Paolo Cacciari
Business Continuity and Resiliency Services, IBM Global Services - South
Region, EMEA

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Hi all,
Does anybody out there have a sample in REXX to send a message to console
and get a response from  operator ,something like WTOR(write to operator
with reply) macro in assembly?
Any help is highly appretiated.

Regards,
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Howard Brazee
On 15 May 2007 08:02:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Jacobs)
wrote:

But the lack of these benefits on the cheaper environments usually bites 
you in the a** sometime in the future. But by then the people making 
these decisions have walked away with their bonuses and leave the 
fallout to the peons to handle.

One big problem with our big businesses (those so big that the
individual stockholder doesn't have much control), is that bonuses are
typically given for current profits, not long term profits.   I'd like
to see stock options given every year to the CEO - cashable a decade
in the future.   I'd give the same bonuses to GMs of sports teams,
depending on team performance in the future.   Athletes have to wait
to join their Halls of Fame (except Vijay Singh).   We don't know how
good a company was run until we check the long run.

It may be cheaper to buy computers that won't fit 5 years from now -
when someone else is running the company.   

That would mean that gutting a company for current profits wouldn't
pay, but investing wisely would.

I'd also like to see that with politics, but politician's pay is
power, and that cannot be deferred.But it is more important for a
President's policy to work for the long term than for a CEO's policy.
Neither should be measured by not on my term, but both should be
measured by leaving a legacy that lasts.Build for the future -
when the other guys are running the company/country.

That said, I don't know whether it might be better in the long term to
design around a powerful mainframe now - or to throw out my new system
before then and replace it with new technology and a new direction. I
don't see that IBM is trying to sell us on either direction, maybe
because it doesn't know either.

My bias is to value the system that matches my current skills.   I
*like* big iron.   But I need to disregard my bias and prepare for the
reality that will come.

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Brazee) writes:
 I'd also like to see that with politics, but politician's pay is
 power, and that cannot be deferred.But it is more important for a
 President's policy to work for the long term than for a CEO's policy.
 Neither should be measured by not on my term, but both should be
 measured by leaving a legacy that lasts.Build for the future -
 when the other guys are running the company/country.

i think that the comptroller general has suggested something similar for
legislation ... that metrics are defined associated for any claimed
benefits justifying some legislation ... and if the results fail to meet
the metrics ... poof, its gone.

however, in speeches that the comptroller general has given over the
past yr or so on some aspects of medicare/medicaid legislation ... he
has commented that he doesn't believe any congressman in the last fifty
yrs has been capable of middle-school arithmatic.

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Ray Mullins
You may have to look at your terminal emulator as being the culprit.  I
don't know how ISPF sets ZTERMCID; I assume it's going out and retrieving
the information from a TSO or VTAM terminal-related control block.

Normally I run IBM PCOMM 5.8 with CP 1140 (37 + Euro), and here's what I
get:

DSNE345I  WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT   
   FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION BECAUSE THE  
   CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE
   SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI  

   - TERMINAL CCSID: 1140   
   - SPUFI CCSID   : 37 
   NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR. 

PRESS:  ENTER to continue   
END to return   

If I open a session that specifies CP 1047 (Open Systems, required to get
the C brackets right), I get


DSNE345I  WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT   
   FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION BECAUSE THE  
   CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE
   SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI  

   - TERMINAL CCSID: 1047   
   - SPUFI CCSID   : 37 
   NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR. 

PRESS:  ENTER to continue   
END to return   

The only difference between the two session definitions is the code page.
ISPF thinks you are using CP 37.  Unfortunately I don't know of a way in
native TSO to find out what CCSID TSO thinks you are.

Later,
Ray

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In which case I don't quite understand because the value of ZTERMCID is 37
but our emulator is using 1146.  Any further ideas.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/15/07, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Assuming TN3270, the ISPF variable ZTERMCID is set by the value specified
 when the TN3270 session is negotiated.  I don't believe you can override
 this inside ISPF, but I could be mistaken.  That might be a question for
 ISPF-L.

 Code page Z variables are documented here:

 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzdg50/11.1.1

 Later,
 Ray

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 Subject: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

 As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites for DB2
 V8.  I
 have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the incompatibilities in code page
 betweed SPUFI and the ISPF terminal like this -

 DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION
 BECAUSE THE

 CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

 TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

 NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

 In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
 euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I have
 rebound
 the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't find out  where  the
 ISPF
 ccsid is specified to enable me to change it.  Any pointers.


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How to reload SSL certificate for z/OS TN3270 server

2007-05-15 Thread Matt Simpson
Our SSL certificate is about to expire, and we have received a renewal 
certificate.  Does the TN3270 server read the certificate each time a 
connection is established, so it will get the new one as soon as it is 
updated?  Or is the certificate loaded into memory when the server is 
started, so that some action is necessary to reload  it?  And if it has 
to be reloaded, what is the least disruptive way to do it?  I assume 
restarting the TCP/IP system would do it, but that tends to make the 
phones ring.
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Re: How to reload SSL certificate for z/OS TN3270 server

2007-05-15 Thread Longnecker, Dennis
Here are my notes to install a new certificate (port 23001 is my SSL
port).

TO load this certificate without recycling.

1)  Take the port offline:
V TCPIP,tcpip,T,STOP,PORT=23001

2)  Now activate it: 
v tcpip,tcpip,obeyfile,dsn=SYS1.TCPPARMS($$dennis)  
v tcpip,tcpip,obeyfile,dsn=SYS1.TCPPARMS($$dennit) for Test LPAR   

Where the obeyfile member has the necessary begin VTAM and TELNETPARMS
section in it.

If you need more detailed examples, send me a note.

Dennis

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Our SSL certificate is about to expire, and we have received a renewal 
certificate.  Does the TN3270 server read the certificate each time a 
connection is established, so it will get the new one as soon as it is 
updated?  Or is the certificate loaded into memory when the server is 
started, so that some action is necessary to reload  it?  And if it has 
to be reloaded, what is the least disruptive way to do it?  I assume 
restarting the TCP/IP system would do it, but that tends to make the 
phones ring.
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Re: Multiple Clusters

2007-05-15 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip---
OK. You present a cogent case for the customer's not installing ISV 
products into the z/OS CSIs. But if the customer chooses to be so 
imprudent, there's little the ISV can (or should) do to forestall it. 
Sprinkle in a few NPREs for selected IBM FMIDs? I think not. But, yes, 
supply tailorable JCL that does not presume installation in z/OS's CSIs.


But is there yet a desire for placing the ISV's TARGET and DLIB zones in 
CSI(s) separate from the ISV's own GLOBAL zone, or am I misreading 
between the lines?

--unsnip--
Since I'm usually maintaining multiple images, I almost always separate 
the target zones in separate CSI's from the GLOBAL zone. Separating the 
DLIB zones into separate CSI's depends on GLOBAL ZONE CSI space 
considerations; if the CSI starts expanding too fast, I might break out 
the DLIB zone(s).


---snip
Does declustering zones into separate CSIs have any effect on the 
proliferation of SMPTLIBS?

---unsnip-
Note that I've ever noticed. They belong to the GLOBAL zone. But by 
assigning a separate GLOBAL zone, I can assign different names and 
thusly different SMS attributes; This allows me to better control where 
they're allocated.


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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/15/2007 10:33:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

has  commented that he doesn't believe any congressman in the last fifty
yrs has  been capable of middle-school arithmatic.




Yeah, that's the ticket put 'em on 'Are you smarter than a Fifth grader'  and 
watch the ashes... 



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Re: rexx sample

2007-05-15 Thread Kurt Gramling
Ali,
  You can use some code similar to this:
/* REXX */
CONSOLE ACTIVATE
CONSPROF SOLDISPLAY(NO) SOLNUM(100)
ADDRESS CONSOLE
console command

DISPMSG = ''
MCODE = GETMSG('DISPMSG.','SOL',,,10)

DO UNTIL DISPMSG.1 = ''
   SAY DISPMSG.1
   DISPMSG.1 = ''
   MCODE = GETMSG('DISPMSG.','SOL',,,10)
END

EXIT 0

Kurt Gramling




Hi all,
Does anybody out there have a sample in REXX to send a message to console
and get a response from  operator ,something like WTOR(write to operator
with reply) macro in assembly?
Any help is highly appretiated.

Regards,
Ali

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Walt Farrell

On 5/15/2007 10:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is either a batch job
or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD and then handle
it appropriately.


Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may ENQ
on protected data set names?


RACF does not own the SYSDSN ENQ (Allocation does), and therefore it is 
not RACF's job to protect who can issue those ENQs.  If it is anyone's 
job, it is Allocation's.  Allocation could, perhaps, issue a RACROUTE 
REQUEST=AUTH to see if the user is authorized to read the data set, 
assuming it is an existing data set.  Things get more tricky if it is a 
new data set, however.


I can't tell for sure, but are you suggesting that a user should need 
higher authority (such as UPDATE) before ENQing a data set with 
DISP=OLD?  I'm not sure I agree with that.  And, of course, the OP's 
problem could come from a user who has it ENQed SHR, if the OP is trying 
to get it exclusively.


By the way, gil, I don't recall seeing anything in this thread 
suggesting that an inappropriate user has the data set ENQed, though I 
suppose that is possible.


Walt Farrell, CISSP
z/OS Security Design, IBM

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Clark Morris
On 15 May 2007 07:04:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:05:19 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

Note:  If it is not a TSO user holding the dataset (it is either a batch job
or STC) then you need to deterimine if the JCL has DISP=OLD and then handle
it appropriately.

Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may ENQ
on protected data set names?
If they can open the data set, they need to be able to enqueue it for
the type of access they are doing.  It might be a good idea to have
RACF called at allocation time to see if the requester is allowed to
access the data set and if the request is exclusive possibly make sure
that the requester can update it.  Other than that change, system
integrity requires things work as they do.

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Re: Release a dataset from a user of MVS

2007-05-15 Thread Ted MacNEIL
 Why does RACF not support rules restricting the set of users who may ENQ
 on protected data set names?


It does: via the restriction who can read or update the dataset, ain't it?

No. It does not. You can grab a DSN with old or share, without opening it.
The read/update is not checked until you open it.

So, if you never open it, you can still lock it up.

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Re: Microsoft Claims It All

2007-05-15 Thread Rick Fochtman
I'd rather see M$ get slapped down BIG TIME on this one. How will they 
ever prove We had it first against a system whose hstory predates M$ ???

Thomas Kern wrote:


Or management might see that MS really does know the only way to use
computers and finally get rid of all of the dinosaurs. 


Good luck on your interview.

/Tom Kern


On Mon, 14 May 2007 09:29:28 -0500, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 


This almost sounds like in 1999 when someone claimed a patent on a date
conversion routine, and wanted to charge anyone who was converting dates
in their Y2K efforts.  I'm sure MS has very good lawyers working on this, but
how are you going to sue millions of LInux users.  The people that work on the
Linux Kernel don't profit on any of it, although IBM and many of the other
software companies make software for Linux that they sell for profit.  This
should be very interesting.

If on the off chance that MS would win, how would that affect z/OS users?  I
can see that it might help.  People might get pissed off enough at MS, and
convert to a mainframe.  (Oh well, its a good thought).

I'm off to a job interview, and then I have to clean my Dodgeville house, so I
won't be reading the list till tomorrow evening.

Eric Bielefeld
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
   



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Re: How to reload SSL certificate for z/OS TN3270 server

2007-05-15 Thread Matt Simpson
In article 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Longnecker, Dennis) wrote:

 TO load this certificate without recycling.
 
 1)Take the port offline:
 V TCPIP,tcpip,T,STOP,PORT=23001
 
 2)Now activate it: 


Thanks.  Does this disrupt existing sessions?  Or does it just prevent 
new connections for the brief time that the port is being restarted?
-- 
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219 McVey Hall  -- (859) 257-2900 x300
University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506
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Re: Multiple Clusters

2007-05-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:42 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:

Since I'm usually maintaining multiple images, I almost always separate
the target zones in separate CSI's from the GLOBAL zone. Separating the
DLIB zones into separate CSI's depends on GLOBAL ZONE CSI space
considerations; if the CSI starts expanding too fast, I might break out
the DLIB zone(s).

I've used the same CSI for the Target and DLIB zones.

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Re: How to reload SSL certificate for z/OS TN3270 server

2007-05-15 Thread Thomas Conley
On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:37:49 -0400, Matt Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Our SSL certificate is about to expire, and we have received a renewal
certificate.  Does the TN3270 server read the certificate each time a
connection is established, so it will get the new one as soon as it is
updated?  Or is the certificate loaded into memory when the server is
started, so that some action is necessary to reload  it?  And if it has
to be reloaded, what is the least disruptive way to do it?  I assume
restarting the TCP/IP system would do it, but that tends to make the
phones ring.

Matt,

First things first.  Did you update RACF or gskkyman with the new certificate?  
Make no mistake, varying the port offline will kill existing sessions, but it 
is less 
disruptive than recycling all of TCP/IP.

Regards,
Tom Conley 

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Re: Virtual Tape Stacking Software

2007-05-15 Thread Don Bolton
Lizette,

VDR (Virtual Data Recovery) is much more then a just a tape stacker.
Automating the stacking of VTL data to hi-density tape using a different
dataset name prevents any impact on production tape processes.

The recovery side of VDR allows you to recover/unstack the stacked datasets
to another VTL, native tapes or disk.  You can also have VDR do an INPlace
recovery, which renames the VDR datasets to the original dataset name, no
data movement, and allows applications to access the data directly from the
stacked tape.  Of course, the ICF and Tape management catalogs are updated.

By the way, if you are writing HSM ML2 to Virtual VDR can also copy those
and recover them at the DR site and automatically update HSM about the new
tape VOLSER.

Please give me a call to discuss the many features available.
Regards,
Don
 
Don Bolton
Director Technical Services  Development
800-460-3011 Phone
www.OpentechSystems.com

-Original Message-
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Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:13 AM
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Subject: Virtual Tape Stacking Software

Gentle Listers - 

I have searched the archives and found a lot of discussion but nothing I was
looking for.

We currently have Open Tech to stack virtual tapes on one physical 3590 tape
(VDR).

Are there any other equivilents or is Open Tech it.

We are running z/OS V1.7 with DFSMShsm.  We also have DFDSS and a couple of
CA products (CA1).  

We need to compare the Open Tech process with other vendor(s) to ensure we
have the right tool for the right function.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

Lizette

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Re: rexx sample

2007-05-15 Thread Rick Fochtman

--snip-
Does anybody out there have a sample in REXX to send a message to 
console and get a response from operator ,something like WTOR(write to 
operator with reply) macro in assembly?


Any help is highly appretiated.
-unsnip-
I have a Assembler Language routine that you can use in a CLIST for that 
function, if you want to try to adapt it for REXX usage.


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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Howard Brazee
On 15 May 2007 09:05:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craddock,
Chris) wrote:

On a slightly off-topic note, there is a large body of evidence that
MOST of the IT budget (75-85%!!) is consumed in just keeping the lights
on. There is almost nothing left over for either new development, or for
exploitation of feature function, even if that would ultimately save
money. That has become the dominant issue for most customers and
probably drives the behaviors we are all seeing. They may be nuts, but
they're not stupid :-)

That leaves an opening for an effective way of IBM directing their RD
money.And of their marketing.Energy efficiency can be done by
re-using computer room heat, or by not having as much computer room
heat.

Getting these results from a server farm can be much harder to
accomplish.

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
3270 EMU settings

Roland

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:01 PM
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Subject: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF


As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites 
for DB2 V8.  I have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the 
incompatibilities in code page betweed SPUFI and the ISPF 
terminal like this -

DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS 
SPUFI SESSION BECAUSE THE

CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I 
have rebound the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't 
find out  where  the ISPF ccsid is specified to enable me to 
change it.  Any pointers.

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Bob Shannon
That leaves an opening for an effective way of IBM directing their RD
money.And of their marketing.Energy efficiency can be done by
re-using computer room heat, or by not having as much computer room
heat.

System z9 marketing has focused on energy efficiency for some time. This
is not new news.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Craddock, Chris
Howard Brazee said
 Craddock, Chris wrote:
 On a slightly off-topic note, there is a large body of evidence that
 MOST of the IT budget (75-85%!!) is consumed in just keeping the
lights
 on. 

 That leaves an opening for an effective way of IBM directing their RD
 money.And of their marketing.Energy efficiency can be done by
 re-using computer room heat, or by not having as much computer room
 heat. Getting these results from a server farm can be much harder to
 accomplish.

When I said keeping the lights on, I meant all of the day-to-day
operational costs associated with keeping the existing IT environment up
and running. Energy is just one of those costs, albeit a rapidly
increasing one. 

The idea of exchanging server heat for building heat is interesting
though.

CC

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#18 Another migration from the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#19 Another migration from the mainframe

as an aside ... all the vendors that support server farms at least in
the form of blade/GRID technology have done significant amounts of work
on energy and cooling efficiency.

in fact, cooling was one of major concerns working on ha/cmp scaleup
related to these old emails
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

small sample re blade/grid energy efficiency

CIO Challenge: Energy Efficiency
http://www.wallstreetandtech.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=192202377

from above:

Like Fidelity, Wachovia has been targeting energy efficiency initiatives
for the last 12 to 18 months or so. The initial spur was a move by the
firm's traders in January to a new building in New York. The three
trading floors have relatively low ceiling heights, where it was not
possible to put in a lot of air distribution, which meant we had to
think creatively to ensure we don't have an unhealthy environment for
the traders,

... snip ...

and:

IBM Unveils New Energy-Efficient Blades
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc/1379801.html
IBM to focus on energy efficiency
http://www.bladewatch.com/2007/05/10/ibm-to-focus-on-energy-efficiency/
Blade innovations highlight energy efficiency opportunities
http://www.it-director.com/business/content.php?cid=9135
IBM defends blades' energy efficiency
http://green.itweek.co.uk/2006/10/ibm_defends_bla.html
IBM Data Center and Facilities Strategy Services - high density
computing data center readiness assessment
http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/index.wss/offering/its/a1025605#spotligt-data-center

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread willie bunter
I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.  CAN YOU CLARIFY?

Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Am I the only one frightened by 
these statements?

Luckily I don't work there.


   
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Richards.Bob
Chris,

I agree with your observations. However, my comments were directed
specifically at the NYSE/SIAC situation. Did 9/11 not teach them
anything? One would hope that the SEC, OCC, etc. have imposed upon them
some form of regulatory guidance as it relates to HA and business
continuity. If that is a valid assumption, then it can't be as valid a
business case as they are presenting. 


Bob Richards 


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And Bob Richards asked
 I wonder if they will reveal the costs of extra hw/sw for high-
 availability and business continuance associated with this migration. 
 Probably not.

Well that's a fine question. Here's what I think, based on just a little
bit of experience :0) with z customers... 

There are a small number of customers at the high end for whom the
System z and parallel sysplex is the only alternative. Those are the
customers who spend the time and effort to configure coupling
facilities, data sharing and all of the other dozens of failure
avoidance/failure mitigation features of the platform. Those (high-end)
customers are NOT migrating away from the platform, but even they are
being very judicious about new work that goes on the box(es). It has
become a pure cost containment exercise for most - see my last paragraph
below.

The rest of the customers, by-and-large, have not bought into the
parallel sysplex story and they still run their systems like its 1985.
The only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that their availability
requirements really aren't all that demanding. In effect, they don't
think its worth spending the extra money and resources to get true high
availability and disaster survivability. 

Now we could all argue over whether that's really wise, but the fact
remains that those customers have made a business judgement. And those
are the same customers who are, little by little, deserting the
platform. For customers with less demanding requirements, there are
plenty of alternatives and the fact that so many have switched and NOT
gone back ought to be sobering to this community.

On a slightly off-topic note, there is a large body of evidence that
MOST of the IT budget (75-85%!!) is consumed in just keeping the lights
on. There is almost nothing left over for either new development, or for
exploitation of feature function, even if that would ultimately save
money. That has become the dominant issue for most customers and
probably drives the behaviors we are all seeing. They may be nuts, but
they're not stupid :-) 
  
  
  
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Bob Shannon
 The idea of exchanging server heat for building heat is interesting
though.

We did this at Aetna twenty five years ago. The heating system didn't
come on until the outside temperature reached 32 F. Until then all the
heat for the data center came from the processors.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:23:17 -0400, Gary Green wrote:

SIAC is migrating 1600 MIPS from the mainframe to save money.

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1
254860,00.html


I saw a similar story a couple months ago concerning the start of this project. 
I see they are making progress. I made myself an appointment to follow up 
with Mark Fontecchio, News Writer in 6 months for a follow up story on how 
it's going and whether SIAC is realizing the savings they anticipated.

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Re: Another 'migration' from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Gary Green
Do you really think we will get the real story/facts about the savings?


 On Tue May 15 12:31 , Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:23:17 -0400, Gary Green wrote:

SIAC is migrating 1600 MIPS from the mainframe to save money.

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1
254860,00.html


I saw a similar story a couple months ago concerning the start of this 
project. 
I see they are making progress. I made myself an appointment to follow up 
with Mark Fontecchio, News Writer in 6 months for a follow up story on how 
it's going and whether SIAC is realizing the savings they anticipated.

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Mohammad Khan
The vendor handling migration seems to be the new owner of UniKix which 
used to be owned by Sun a little while ago. Sun wasn't able to do much with 
this product, let's see how much success Clerity will have with it.
Mohammad

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Re: Another 'migration' from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:34:12 -0400, Gary Green wrote:

Do you really think we will get the real story/facts about the savings?


No, but if you don't ask, you can't complain about the FUD they're generating 
with a story like this, can you 

I've already sent follow up requests on 3 or 4 of these kinds of stories and 
got 
nothing. But I'm not giving up. All it takes is 5 minutes and an E-Mail account.

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#18 Another migration from the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#19 Another migration from the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#22 Another migration from the mainframe

lots of old posts mentioning working on our ha/cmp product ... and/or
some loosely-coupled (dating back to at least when my wife had been con'ed
into going to POK to be in charge of loosely-coupled architecture)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

when she was in POK, in charge of loosely-coupled architecture, she
developed peer-coupled shared data architecture, which didn't see a lot
of uptake (except for ims-hotstandby) until parallel sysplex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#shareddata


and a little followup of financial industry using blades/grids at the
high-end ... including enabling them to do real-time trading
algorithms ...  something that they haven't been able to do before

Lots of Blade Server articles
http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1874,1658862,00.asp

IBM Grid Computing Solutions - financial industry
http://www-03.ibm.com/grid/solutions/by_industry/financial.shtml

from above:

Optimized Analytic Infrastructure
Drive higher margins and revenue growth by:

* Turning creative quantitative insight into tested, supported, tradable
  investment products

* Achieving near real-time and intraday decision making for on demand
  valuations and complex risk reporting in minutes

* Reducing costs and enhancing standardization of existing analytic
  infrastructures

... snip ... 

Grid Computing for Financial Services 2007
http://www.iqpc.com/cgi-bin/templates/genevent.html?topic=233event=12603;

from above:

70% of firms now deploy enterprise grids in key business areas to
maximise CPU power and business capability – but are you really driving
its development forward in your IT strategy?

... snip ... 

Grid computing: Accelerating the search for revenue and profit for financial 
markets
http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/financialservices/doc/content/landing/973028103.html

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Re: Another 'migration' from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Thompson, Steve
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:34:12 -0400, Gary Green wrote:

Do you really think we will get the real story/facts about the savings?


No, but if you don't ask, you can't complain about the FUD they're
generating with a story like this, can you 

I've already sent follow up requests on 3 or 4 of these kinds of stories
and got nothing. But I'm not giving up. All it takes is 5 minutes and an
E-Mail account.
SNIP

If you get no answer, perhaps it would be good to have a plan B, wherein
you provide the LACK of results to some analyst group so they can report
on the apparent failure of the initiative. It would be very interesting
to get a bit more light on these things so that publicly held companies
have to disclose results.

[Side note: my wife retired from a certain Electric Utility. She has a
full Masters (not just an MBA, but she has one of those too). She has
commented to me many times about how the fast trackers in a company
have about 3 years to show results. No results, no further upward
mobility [promotions]. So she watched these fast trackers come in to a
department and re-organize, change to new procedures or whatever and
make lots of noise so that they had 2 or 3 completed projects to show
for their time. Mind you, they didn't have to have positive results,
just results.]

So perhaps somehow forcing a disclosure of these hit and run tactics
might get more of the analysts looking at the end results -- beyond the
current quarter (I will not hold my breath).

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:44 -0400, Bob Shannon wrote:

 The idea of exchanging server heat for building heat is interesting
though.

We did this at Aetna twenty five years ago. The heating system didn't
come on until the outside temperature reached 32 F. Until then all the
heat for the data center came from the processors.
 
 
At Comten in St. Paul, Minnesota, some 25+ years ago, we REMOVED the 
furnace completely and heated the entire headquarters building from the front-
end processors, two small mainframes and plethora of terminals (plus humans 
and lighting fixtures).  It didn't hurt that half of the building was partially 
underground via earthen berms.  
 
St. Paul gets a LOT colder than 32 F. but the building was always toasty.  
 
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Re: Another 'migration' from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Howard Brazee
On 15 May 2007 11:06:55 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:

[Side note: my wife retired from a certain Electric Utility. She has a
full Masters (not just an MBA, but she has one of those too). She has
commented to me many times about how the fast trackers in a company
have about 3 years to show results. No results, no further upward
mobility [promotions]. So she watched these fast trackers come in to a
department and re-organize, change to new procedures or whatever and
make lots of noise so that they had 2 or 3 completed projects to show
for their time. Mind you, they didn't have to have positive results,
just results.]

I guess life is like school.When I was in AFROTC a few decades
ago, the cadets had an organization like a USAF base.   Except there
wasn't much of a mission, at least not that the students had.   So
every term, when there were new student commanders, there was a
reorganization.   The requirement was to do *something*, and the skill
of reorganization is a useful one.   

In real life, sometimes the decision to do nothing is the best one -
but that decision doesn't get noticed.We notice our great
leaders because bad things happened on their watch that they had to
overcome.   We don't know who had policies that resulted in those bad
things not happening.

A CIO who decides that the current direction is just fine won't get
noticed.

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Re: DB2 version 8 SPUFI and ISPF

2007-05-15 Thread Fletcher, Kevin
Jim,

The PTF you describe (putting out message DSNE345I) was a part of DB2
V7, this was an enforcement PTF, eg. The exposure was always there now
DB2 is telling you. We had a similar problem using CCSID 1140 (US plus
euro). If you cruise IBM link  or DB2-L looking for DSNE345I you will
find a different solution, rebind the SPUFI plans using CCSID 37. The
PTF also added an extra screen where you can tell SPUFI what you want to
change the plan to.

If you do not wish to do that solution, I believe there is a VTAM option
of the VBUILD macro that will let you set the code page for your 1146
CCSID. The exact parm escapes me at this time. We did not do this since
this would pretty much be global for all TSO users.



Thanks,

Fletch 

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As you are no doubt aware there are code page pre-requisites for DB2 V8.
I have applied a ptf to SPUFI which shows the incompatibilities in code
page betweed SPUFI and the ISPF terminal like this -

DSNE345I WARNING: DB2 DATA CORRUPTION CAN RESULT FROM THIS SPUFI SESSION
BECAUSE THE

CCSID USED BY THE TERMINAL IS NOT THE SAME AS THE CCSID USED BY SPUFI.

TERMINAL CCSID: terminal-ccsid. SPUFI CCSID: spufi-ccsid.

NOTIFY THE DB2 SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

In our case the terminal ccsid is 37 and the SPUFI one is 1146 (uk plus
euro) in the above message.  The SPUFI ccsid is 1146 because I have
rebound the program(s) with that value.  However, I can't find out
where  the ISPF ccsid is specified to enable me to change it.  Any
pointers.

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VTOC FULL

2007-05-15 Thread Robert Pelletier
Hi All. We are V2R10. Can I dynamically rebuild a VTOC on a 3390? If so
what utility would work? Thanks all.  


Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob Pelletier
Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-15 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:08:39 -0500, Binyamin Dissen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Am I the only one frightened by these statements?

No you're not ! 
Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr

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Re: Another 'migration' from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve
 
 [ snip ]
 
 [Side note: my wife retired from a certain Electric Utility. 
 She has a full Masters (not just an MBA, but she has one of 
 those too). She has commented to me many times about how the 
 fast trackers in a company have about 3 years to show 
 results. No results, no further upward mobility [promotions]. 
 So she watched these fast trackers come in to a department 
 and re-organize, change to new procedures or whatever and 
 make lots of noise so that they had 2 or 3 completed projects 
 to show for their time. Mind you, they didn't have to have 
 positive results, just results.]

Sounds a lot like the politicians' credo:  Good press, bad press; it
doesn't matter, as long as you get press.

-jc-

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Re: VTOC FULL

2007-05-15 Thread Mark Jacobs

Robert Pelletier wrote:

Hi All. We are V2R10. Can I dynamically rebuild a VTOC on a 3390? If so
what utility would work? Thanks all.  



Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob Pelletier

Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
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If you are running ICKDSF V17. Of course you need free space after the 
vtoc/index to expand it.


The following is an example of expanding the VTOC and the Index using the 
EXTVTOC and EXTINDEX parameters.  
  
   //EXAMPLE   JOB
   //  EXEC  PGM=ICKDSF   
   //VOLDD DD DISP=SHR,UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=TMP121   
   //SYSPRINT  DDSYSOUT=A 
   //SYSIN DD*
REFORMAT DDNAME(VOLDD) VERIFY(TMP121) EXTVTOC(200) EXTINDEX(16)   
   /* 



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RMM web service web server(s)

2007-05-15 Thread R.S.
I just read RMM IC Guide. It says: go to the administrative console of 
your z/OS WebSphere Application Server.


Q: Does it require WAS *or* HTTP Server ?

Background is quite obvious IMHO: HTTP is no-cost feature of the system, 
while WAS is fee based.


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Re: IBM loses employee data

2007-05-15 Thread Hal Merritt
FUD from PC auditors and software/hardware sales folks.  

Such mainframe files are encoded. Every file is in a unique, propriety,
unpublished format.

Decoding is near impossible without an intimate knowledge of and access
to record layout documentation. Even then, intimate knowledge of exactly
how the file was created would be a critical first step. 

Of course the file could eventually be decoded and the content
compromised. But the same is true for encrypted files. I daresay
cracking the encryption is somewhat more viable because there is ample
software available to do just that.   

My $0.02   
 

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 If you work for IBM and have worked for IBM in the past, you might want
to look at this URL

http://www-1.ibm.com/afteribm/us/inquire.shtml

It appears a vendor lost some tapes containing IBM employee data with
things like SSN, DOB, Address. The tapes were not encrypted. Maybe IBM
should look into a product like FDRcrypt from Innovation.

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Re: ISR only with SW contract

2007-05-15 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
This is exactly the point. I've been told that if a customer does not 
have a SW support contract, he won't be able get a ShopzSeries id 
anymore; no id, no PTFs via ISR. Weird. (No ServerPac either. Very 
weird.)


This all sounds very fishy, but I'll see what I can find out and report 
back to the list.


OK, I verified with someone in IBM Fulfillment.  He assures me there are 
no requirements for any kind of Software Support Contract in order to 
register for a ShopzSeries userid.  For the userid to be authenticated 
you will of course need to have a valid IBM Customer Number, but no 
other requirements exist.


Therefore, to use SMP/E Internet Service Retrieval you do not need to 
have a SW Support contract.


If anyone experiences something different, or is told something 
different, please let me know, with details such as customer name and 
country, so I may follow up appropriately.


(Sorry Shane, but Business Partners are a different story, and that 
issue remains as is.)


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Re: RMM web service web server(s)

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Comstock

R.S. wrote:
I just read RMM IC Guide. It says: go to the administrative console of 
your z/OS WebSphere Application Server.


Q: Does it require WAS *or* HTTP Server ?

Background is quite obvious IMHO: HTTP is no-cost feature of the system, 
while WAS is fee based.




Ahhh, yes. This is why I built my suite of courses to
build a webserver on your z/OS system using HTTP: no
need to get WebSphere until you need some fancy dancy
features, such as EJBs. A little training and some work
and your running a sophisticated website.

From an earlier post:



 FastPath to z/OS-hosted Web Sites

Host a Web site on your z/OS platform, without buying
WebSphere. Use your existing COBOL (or PL/I or Assembler)
programmers to develop and maintain a web site on your
z/OS system (no need to hire new staff).

In just 10 days (instead of 26 days) we can train a
dozen or so of your z/OS developers (or a small, select
team) how to do this! For a one time charge, with some
special benefits (read on).


To implement the FastPath approach, we have extracted
just the essential courses needed to bring experienced
z/OS developers up to speed. In 10 days (two weeks) we
would teach this sequence of courses:

* Introduction to z/OS UNIX
* You and z/OS and The World Wide Web
* Introduction to CGIs on z/OS
* one of our language-specific CGI writing
  courses (COBOL, PL/I, Assembler, or REXX)

What the students will learn:
  + How to run under the z/OS UNIX shell (omvs)
  + The UNIX HFS file system
  + Environment variables: what they are, how to use
  + 50+ UNIX commands
  + Copying files between HFS and classic MVS formats
  + oedit, obrowse, and ishell
  + How to access HFS files from non-UNIX apps
  + ISPF 3.17, the UNIX Directory List utitlity (z/OS 1.8+)
  + Basic flow of data on the Web
  + Building a web site on z/OS UNIX
  + HTML and XHTML - extensive, standards based
  + X/HTML style: attributes, elements, style sheets
  + CSS (Cascading Style Sheets)
  + Client side maps
  + Embedding multimedia
  + JavaScript - solid, practical introduction
  + DOM - the Document Object Model - solid, practical intro.
  + Forms and controls
  + Frames and Framesets
  + Creating and using cookies
  + Writing and using CGI programs
 (COBOL, PL/I, Assembler, or REXX)

which is enough to create an interesting web site,
running under z/OS, which can serve static pages
as well as dynamically build and serve web pages
using CGI technology.

Note also that many of these skills are transferable
to other UNIX and Web-related environments.


One time price:
  * In the continental US: $22,000
  * Outside the US:$25,000

Price is _all inclusive_:
  * Tuitions for up to 16 students
  * Instructor travel and living

Student materials:
  * We ship you pdf files, you do the printing
  * AND you get to keep the pdf files for the
print masters! (over 1200 pages of content)
  (but no instructor notes nor lecture versions)



Option: two sets of sessions (total four weeks)
  * Two offerings run in parallel (morning  afternoon)
  * Train twice as many people
  for less than twice the price
  * All students can work half days and be in
  class half days
  * Price: $40,000 anywhere in the world



Here's a chance to give the technology a trial run
at a very reasonable price and low investment of
time.

  z/OS: not just for batch, CICS, and IMS any more.



What's missing? Well, to get all the details, bells,
and whistles, students would normally take a much
fuller curriculum; for the FastPath we have chosen
the central courses that students can use to build
on, copying and modifying code to meet their needs.
The fuller curriculum provides deeper and wider
coverage of the underlying skills. Any FastPath
student who feels they need more in-depth information
can always go back to specific courses in the full
curriculum as needed.

The standard, full curriculum would be something like this:

* Using LE Services in z/OS - 3 days
* Language specific updates (Enterprise COBOL, HLASM 1.5, etc.)
 (2-4 days, depending on language)
* Secrets of Inter-Language Communication in z/OS (w/ DLLs) - 3.5 days
* Introduction to z/OS UNIX - 3 days
* Shell script programming in z/OS UNIX - 3 days
* You and z/OS and the World Wide Web - 5 days
* Developing Applications for z/O UNIX - 3 days
* Introduction to CGIs in z/OS - 1 day
* Language-specific CGI courses - 1 day each


Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

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   + How things work
   + Programming examples with realistic applications
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Re: VTOC FULL

2007-05-15 Thread Robert Pelletier
Thanks all. Have to mount it PRIVATE and should be ok. Thanks again. 


Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob Pelletier
Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
Rocky Hill, Ct.
-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: VTOC FULL

Robert Pelletier wrote:
 Hi All. We are V2R10. Can I dynamically rebuild a VTOC on a 3390? If 
 so what utility would work? Thanks all.


 Have a Nice Day !
  
 Bob Pelletier
 Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
 Rocky Hill, Ct.

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If you are running ICKDSF V17. Of course you need free space after the
vtoc/index to expand it.

 The following is an example of expanding the VTOC and the Index using
the 
 EXTVTOC and EXTINDEX parameters.

 

//EXAMPLE   JOB

//  EXEC  PGM=ICKDSF

//VOLDD DD DISP=SHR,UNIT=3380,VOL=SER=TMP121

//SYSPRINT  DDSYSOUT=A

//SYSIN DD*

 REFORMAT DDNAME(VOLDD) VERIFY(TMP121) EXTVTOC(200) EXTINDEX(16)

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Re: VTOC FULL

2007-05-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
Bob,

I think your answer is to offload all datasets to tape, clip/init the pack with 
a bigger VTOC and then reload everything back down.  If it is SMS managed, then 
you would QUINEW the pack, allow it to drain and then do the clip/init and put 
it back in the storage group.  Or make a new volumes with the size you need and 
use DFDSS to migrate the data set (including recataloging the data sets) to the 
new volumes.  Then clip/init with a bigger VTOC.

I am not aware of a vendor product that could do that on the fly.  However, if 
they could it would rely on the tracks next to the vtoc being empty (ie. no 
data sets on them.)

Lizette 


Hi All. We are V2R10. Can I dynamically rebuild a VTOC on a 3390? If so
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Re: Another migration from the mainframe

2007-05-15 Thread Bill Wilkie
I was ajust about to say, I had seen the computer room heat used to heat the 
building, but I couldn't remember the site.


Thanks
Bill



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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:44 -0400

 The idea of exchanging server heat for building heat is interesting
though.

We did this at Aetna twenty five years ago. The heating system didn't
come on until the outside temperature reached 32 F. Until then all the
heat for the data center came from the processors.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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