Re: SYSLOG/OPERLOG Time Stamps
Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ink.net... I have a fairly active system. Stuff going on all the time. But when I look in my SYSLOG/OPERLOG I notice that I do not see a time stamp for several minutes. If this system was not active, I could understand the gaps. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why that might be? 2008046 11:22:37.53 2008046 11:22:37.57 2008046 11:22:52.05 2008046 11:22:52.31 2008046 11:22:52.59 2008046 11:25:58.65 2008046 11:25:58.67 -- 2008046 11:26:49.66 -- 2008046 11:27:26.17 -- 2008046 11:28:14.67 -- And starts again 2008046 11:28:14.67 2008046 11:28:14.67 2008046 11:28:14.68 2008046 11:28:14.67 2008046 11:28:14.98 2008046 11:28:18.19 2008046 11:28:18.27 2008046 11:28:18.27 2008046 11:28:18.27 2008046 11:28:18.28 2008046 11:28:18.47 2008046 11:28:18.96 Lizette Lizette, There is something else you might look into: I think I remember that messages for the operator console(s) appear in syslog and are timestamped at the moment the messages is displayed on the console. So if the console is full and does not recieve messages, these messages are held up until the operator clears the screen. If no other (non-console) messages are produced in that interval, this might explain the gap in syslog/operlog. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: dsntype large and ftp or c/c++
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:54:41 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just learned the hard way that in our installation it is impossible to ftp a dsnytpe=large dataset with a primary allocation 64K to IBM. The 'normal' ftp (not Dear Barbara, I don't know about the dsntype=large, but I can tell you that only a few days ago, I transferred through FTP a dataset of several megabytes from out of the mainframe (zOS 1.6) to a Windows server without any problem and without loosing a single byte. I guess there must be some constraint set on the receiving end. You say you transfer 'to IBM'; maybe you should ask their system administrator to allow you to send bigger files? Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CSVDYLPA DCBPTR=CVTLINK
Dynamic LPA processing will typically do no better and no worse than any other fetch that was targeted to the LNKLST. It is quite possible that the problem is due to what the posts have indicated, namely (typically) something now in in an extent that is not part of the LNKLST that your space has defined. However, for releases prior to z/OS 1.9, there is a bug that is being fixed (at z/OS 1.7 and z/OS 1.8) when you have multiple LNKLST sets involved and the operation is not occurring within a space for which the IPL-time LNKLST is that space's LNKLST. (The supported case of this is when a new LNKLST set was activated, and then a newly started job or address space uses the CSVDYLPA programming interface. I say it that way because it could also happen if you used the unpredicatably dangerous LNKLST UPDATE operation to update the LNKLST for ASID=1 and then issued the SETPROG LPA command or its analog via SET PROG=xx). . APAR OA24903 has been taken for this problem, and a ++APAR is available. The basic explanation of the processing problem is that the system ends up doing things partly with one DCB/DEB (the one for the LNKLST current for the issuing address space) and partly with another DCB/DEB (the one for the IPL-time LNKLST). As has been stated, you can use the DSNAME or DDNAME parameters of CSVDYLPA and avoid this problem even know. Alternately (and this really is the intended thing to do, not refreshing LLA), have someone create a new LNKLST set just like the old one and activate it and then start your application. For example, SETPROG LNKLST DEFINE NAME(COPY) COPYFROM(CURRENT) SETPROG LNKLST ACTIVATE NAME(COPY) Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HTTPD Roots (was: Linux zSeries questions) + jinsight
According to the WebSphere InfoCenter (http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v6r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.websphere.ihs.doc/info/ihs/ihs/welc6miginstallihsz.html ): quote Note: IBM HTTP Server for z/OS, which is provided with WebSphere Application Server, is different from the Version 5.3 HTTP Server for z/OS, which is provided with the z/OS base operating system and is not powered by Apache. The information contained within the IBM HTTP Server product documentation pertains to IBM HTTP Server for WebSphere Application Server, not the Version 5.3 HTTP Server. You can install the IBM HTTP Server for WebSphere Application Server product on z/OS systems. Order the Version 6.1 PTF for WebSphere Application Server that contains the IBM HTTP Server for z/OS to get started. /quote I believe I saw another announcement about how to order this without WAS, but I can't locate it. Go figure. More on the Apache-based version in http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/WP101170 quote Abstract: For many years IBM has provided an HTTP Server for the z/OS operating system. That HTTP Server was based on an earlier HTTP Server called the Domino Go Webserver, and for that reason it is sometimes referred to informally as DGW. More often it was referred to as the HTTP Server or IHS. Lately that HTTP Server has been delivered as part of the base operating system. It is currently at the V5R3 level. In 2006 IBM released a different HTTP Server for z/OS. This was based on the open source Apache web server, and extended to be z/OS-aware. This web server is known as the IBM HTTP Server for z/OS Powered by Apache. That is presently at Version V6R1. Future functional enhancements will be made to this HTTP Server on z/OS. The purpose of this document is to make you aware of this new IBM HTTP Server for z/OS and help you understand how to acquire it and use it. /quote *** And, of course, there is the documentation for the DGW-based HTTP server which some of us know and love (or hate) - SC34-4826-09 (for the z/OS V1R9 version). And, as a side note, for you WAS on z/OSers, IBM has publicly (re)released Jinsight (http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/jinsightlive), which, I can say as an ex-IBMer, was an *awesome* tool. It could be used on any platform before, and perhaps this one can too, but they are only advertising it to the z-crowd. Not sure why. Aaron o How many HTTP servers does IBM supply for z/OS? Currently, only one: IBM HTTP Server (IHS). WAS is not a web server, it is a Web Application Server, i.e., a J2EE monster. o Which one(s) are Apache-derived? Since there's only one, all of them. :) If you go back and do some Google searches, you'll likely find the various stories of how IBM got involved with open source software to start with. To summarize, they decided it was silly to continue to develop/maintain an IBM web server when Apache was already being used by 60% of the world. The Apache license allows you to take their source, modify it, and turn around and license the package for profit, which is what they've done. They think of it as their mods adding value to the whole package, making it worth people paying for. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: dsntype large and ftp or c/c++
Jantje, I don't know about the dsntype=large, but I can tell you that only a few days ago, I transferred through FTP a dataset of several megabytes from out of the mainframe (zOS 1.6) to a Windows server without any problem and without loosing a single byte. I guess there must be some constraint set on the receiving end. You say you transfer 'to IBM'; maybe you should ask their system administrator to allow you to send bigger files? No, this was definitely no resource constraint. FTP *without* uk28004 (1.8) does NOT support dsntype=large (basically a primary allocation that is bigger than 64K trks). Once I had found the apar/ptf (artfully hidden using the normal search words), and we had it installed, the ftp went through without a problem. The terse before that didn't work, either (rc99), it abended after the limit of a mod3 was hit. I had to get amaterse installed in order to be able to compress my 8000cyl to 4000cyl. Thanks for reminding me to put out the solution to this. Best regards, Barbara -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
No one answered, so I'll try: Your assumption about DSORG = '' is not safe. Go, figure with allocation of PDS. I would recommend to add DSORG parameter to your JCL. Your SMS routines will be easier and - last but not least - you won't have zombie datasets. I mean a dataset with DSORG=NONE. Such dataset is created when it is allocated on disk, but never opened. Instead of DCB=(), and BLKSIZE=0 parameters which are absolutely unneeded add DSORG=PS. Caution: zombie datasets are not subject to migration processing (assuming DFSMSHSM). They occupy your best DASD space. Forever. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Darth Keller wrote: I've got a dataset allocated with the following JCL: 41 //OUTLOAN DD DSN=T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=205,BLKSIZE=0), // SPACE=(CYL,(9000,500),RLSE), // STORCLAS=SCTEST, // MGMTCLAS=MCTEST The SMS code looks like: FILTLIST DCEXTEND_DSN INCLUDE( - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T.PM.CWSCW02M.**, T.PM.CWSCW03M.**, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHEN (DCEXTEND_DSN) DO IF (SIZE GE 4KB) THEN DO - - - - SELECT - - - - WHEN (DSORG EQ 'PS') DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCEXTEND' WRITE 'DCN0900 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END OTHERWISE DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCSTDFLT' WRITE 'DCN1000 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END DCEXTEND is defined with 'extended addressability' compaction. The SYSOUT from the JOB shows: 41 IGD01007I DCN1000 T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1 CWSBCWI1 DCSTDFLT It appears from the results from SMS dataclas assignment the message output that the dataset is presenting to SMS with a blank DSORG. Any ideas as to why or where this is documented? Can I safely add a test for WHEN(DSORG EQ '')? I know that I can have the applications add the DATACLAS to the JCL but they were trying to avoid JCL changes. -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION - DATACLAS FILTERLIST
Barry, Yes, the user pays 1 bill (10 year contract) which explains his requirements . The qualifiers from 1 to 6 are different which adds to my woes. Some dsns have 4 qualifers, while others have 6. The user is testing new CICS environments and needs certains dsn to be trapped by TMM. I cannot use wild cards for the CICS environments because they too are different e.g. CICS4231, TESTCRO DB2CICS etc etc etc. Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you really mean aliases? I though all ACS checking was performed against the real DSN. Based on the pretty strange requirements your users impose on you, I have to believe they do not pay for your services (e.g., with chargebacks) but your IT budget comes out of general overhead. Are your dataset naming conventions really this flexible. Other than user datasets starting with TSO ID, I don't think I could come up with 700+ patterns until I got to the 8th or 9th qualifier. -Original Message- From: willie bunter [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS QUESTION - DATACLAS FILTERLIST Hallo All, I have a request from a user to add about 730 aliases to a TMM DATACLAS FILTLIST. I looked at the prospect of using High Level Qualifiers but these dsns are not using the same dsn patterns. Since SMS has a limit of 255 entries in a FLITLIST I have no choice but to create several other FILTLISTs. The current TMM FILTLIST is as follows: WHEN (DSN EQ DSN_TMM) DO SET DATACLAS = 'TMMBKUP' EXIT END My modification to the existing DATCLAS would read as: WHEN (DSN EQ DSN_TMM) OR (DSN EQ DSN_TMM2) OR (DSN EQ DSN_TMM3) DO SET DATACLAS = 'TMMBKUP' EXIT END Would this be acceptable? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
They would still need to change the JCL to include the directory blocks, correct ? -Gani Darth Keller wrote: I've got a dataset allocated with the following JCL: 41 //OUTLOAN DD DSN=T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=205,BLKSIZE=0), // SPACE=(CYL,(9000,500),RLSE), // STORCLAS=SCTEST, // MGMTCLAS=MCTEST The SMS code looks like: FILTLIST DCEXTEND_DSN INCLUDE( - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T.PM.CWSCW02M.**, T.PM.CWSCW03M.**, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHEN (DCEXTEND_DSN) DO IF (SIZE GE 4KB) THEN DO - - - - SELECT - - - - WHEN (DSORG EQ 'PS') DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCEXTEND' WRITE 'DCN0900 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END OTHERWISE DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCSTDFLT' WRITE 'DCN1000 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END DCEXTEND is defined with 'extended addressability' compaction. The SYSOUT from the JOB shows: 41 IGD01007I DCN1000 T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1 CWSBCWI1 DCSTDFLT It appears from the results from SMS dataclas assignment the message output that the dataset is presenting to SMS with a blank DSORG. Any ideas as to why or where this is documented? Can I safely add a test for WHEN(DSORG EQ '')? I know that I can have the applications add the DATACLAS to the JCL but they were trying to avoid JCL changes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Re: SMP/E GIMCPTS Downward Compatibility
Although it is theoretically possible for an instance of GIMCPTS to be down level, there are currently no such cases... excepting of course the very unlikely case of not having GIMCPTS at all. More specifically, if SMP/E were to implement an additional and new compression dictionary, then it would be possible to compress elements within a PTF using the new dictionary, only to be out of luck when trying to uncompress using a level of GIMCPTS that does not recognize that new dictionary. But fear not: we have no plans to implement any new compression dictionaries. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSVDYLPA DCBPTR=CVTLINK
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:35:46 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: Alternately (and this really is the intended thing to do, not refreshing LLA), have someone create a new LNKLST set just like the old one and activate it and then start your application. For example, SETPROG LNKLST DEFINE NAME(COPY) COPYFROM(CURRENT) SETPROG LNKLST ACTIVATE NAME(COPY) Interesting. Is this documented anywhere? There are several places where it is documented that LLA should be refreshed when a LNKLST library is modified. I know that when a new LNKLST set is created or activated (I forget which), any new data sets are added to LLA, but I can't find the reference at the moment. I didn't know that data sets already managed by LLA were refreshed. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
No directory blocks needed - this is a PS file. It looks to me like Radoslaw's response indicating that I'll have to have the applications add the DSORG parm to their JCl is the way I'm going to have to go. I suspected as much but was looking for confirmation. dd keller They would still need to change the JCL to include the directory blocks, correct ? -Gani Darth Keller wrote: I've got a dataset allocated with the following JCL: 41 //OUTLOAN DD DSN=T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=205,BLKSIZE=0), // SPACE=(CYL,(9000,500),RLSE), // STORCLAS=SCTEST, // MGMTCLAS=MCTEST The SMS code looks like: FILTLIST DCEXTEND_DSN INCLUDE( - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T.PM.CWSCW02M.**, T.PM.CWSCW03M.**, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHEN (DCEXTEND_DSN) DO IF (SIZE GE 4KB) THEN DO - - - - SELECT - - - - WHEN (DSORG EQ 'PS') DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCEXTEND' WRITE 'DCN0900 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END OTHERWISE DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCSTDFLT' WRITE 'DCN1000 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END DCEXTEND is defined with 'extended addressability' compaction. The SYSOUT from the JOB shows: 41 IGD01007I DCN1000 T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1 CWSBCWI1 DCSTDFLT It appears from the results from SMS dataclas assignment the message output that the dataset is presenting to SMS with a blank DSORG. Any ideas as to why or where this is documented? Can I safely add a test for WHEN(DSORG EQ '')? I know that I can have the applications add the DATACLAS to the JCL but they were trying to avoid JCL changes. ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Wiki news.
Hello everybody, I have been away for almost three weeks. (See my personal note below). So I have not been able to provide Wiki news. Thanks for Roland who looked after the Wiki in this time. - We passed one hundred team members while I was gone! As great as it is - we can do even better. There are thousands of members on these lists so let's do some recruiting. - SHARE is in Orlando next week. Yours truly will be attending and yes it is my first SHARE so excuse me for being excited. - The Vendor spotlight focuses on GT Software: http://cicswiki.org/cicswiki1/index.php?title=GT_Software (They are also on the main Wiki page) Be sure to register for their Rockin' Your Mainframe with SOA Party that they are hosting at SHARE Tuesday night, Feb. 26 at 7:00 PM. To register, go to: http://www.gtsoftware.com/rock.asp Regards. Corneel. --- Personal note --- On February 11th 2008 at the age of 67 my mother Wilma Booysen went to be with her Lord and Savior. Though our pain is real - our hope to see her again surpasses that pain. --- Personal note --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
No directory blocks needed - this is a PS file. It looks to me like Radoslaw's response indicating that I'll have to have the applications add the DSORG parm to their JCl is the way I'm going to have to go. I suspected as much but was looking for confirmation. dd keller Darth, You could add the dsorg to the dataclass(es) if you assign a dataclass to every dataset. Any open (or jcl parameter) would override the dataclass value. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:38:32 -0600, Darth Keller wrote: I've got a dataset allocated with the following JCL: 41 //OUTLOAN DD DSN=T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=205,BLKSIZE=0), // SPACE=(CYL,(9000,500),RLSE), // STORCLAS=SCTEST, // MGMTCLAS=MCTEST The SMS code looks like: FILTLIST DCEXTEND_DSN INCLUDE( - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T.PM.CWSCW02M.**, T.PM.CWSCW03M.**, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHEN (DCEXTEND_DSN) DO IF (SIZE GE 4KB) THEN DO - - - - SELECT - - - - WHEN (DSORG EQ 'PS') DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCEXTEND' WRITE 'DCN0900 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END OTHERWISE DO SET DATACLAS = 'DCSTDFLT' WRITE 'DCN1000 ' DSN ' ' PGM ' ' DSORG ' ' DATACLAS EXIT END DCEXTEND is defined with 'extended addressability' compaction. The SYSOUT from the JOB shows: 41 IGD01007I DCN1000 T.PM.CWSCW02M.CWSBCWI1.DMLOAN.PRECODE1 CWSBCWI1 DCSTDFLT It appears from the results from SMS dataclas assignment the message output that the dataset is presenting to SMS with a blank DSORG. Any ideas as to why or where this is documented? Can I safely add a test for WHEN(DSORG EQ '')? I know that I can have the applications add the DATACLAS to the JCL but they were trying to avoid JCL changes. It's been a long time since I've done any SMS work, but I think you can do what you are proposing as long as you add RECORG=PS to your data class. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
For most of my dataclas's, I do assign a DSORG. But in this case where I'm testing for the DSORG using it to assign a dataclas, it doesn't help - kind of a cart-horse problem. ddk Darth, You could add the dsorg to the dataclass(es) if you assign a dataclass to every dataset. Any open (or jcl parameter) would override the dataclass value. Regards, John ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 10:05 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? IEHLIST will tell you in a LISTVTOC. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
3494 ATL Manual Functions
We have a 3494 ATL in our BR site we use for an offsite tape repository. The plan is for that unit to run stand alone until we bring up a production LPAR and begin a recovery. Tapes would be rotated in and out of the unit using printed reports from the base system. The operators want to use the ATL console to eject tapes, but can't find the function. I seem to recall someone saying that the eject function is something that can only be done via a running RMM. That is, manual tape management is not fully supported. Am I understanding things correctly? Thanks NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Yes, ask SMS: D SMS,VOL(volser) Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMS managed volume
Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
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Re: SMS managed volume
If you have QuickRef it will tell you. Lizette -Original Message- From: Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 20, 2008 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS managed volume Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Darth, You could create a new barebones dataclass and assign it to any dataset with a null DSORG. I have such a dataclas just to avoid gdg model datasets when creating a +1 gds. Regards, John For most of my dataclas's, I do assign a DSORG. But in this case where I'm testing for the DSORG using it to assign a dataclas, it doesn't help - kind of a cart-horse problem. ddk Darth, You could add the dsorg to the dataclass(es) if you assign a dataclass to every dataset. Any open (or jcl parameter) would override the dataclass value. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ZOS V1R9 and Old APPS
We are starting to install and test V1R9. Part of the challenge will be archaic DB2 and a lame-duck CICS. Have any of you 'been there and done that and would be willing to share your experiences? Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Price of CPU seconds That example stated that $800 per CPU/hr was the cost for a machine (undefined as to number of CPUs, MSUs, etc.). It also did not state what the system software cost, etc. It was a number used to give an example. And it was about what the cost was for an Amdahl 5990-1400 w/ 2 Gig C-Store and 2 Gig E-Store (and I can't tell you what circus bureau had that cost per CPU hour, but I used to work in the facility). So, the more processors you have to split the costs across, the lower the CPU/hr charge may be. And those charges are based on the SMF collected times (since that is what fed the accounting system). And then there could be charges for I/Os, tape mounts, ATL mounts, etc. (all things done by Circus Bureaus). So it is not so ridiculous. It is clearly ridiculous since the projected $7,000,000 (by your own definition) doesn't include peripherals. Also, more processors doesn't SPLIT costs, it multiplies them since more power is presumably available for more work. Since a single unit of work can only take advantage of a single engine, then costs should have no bearing. Same service consumed regardless. SNIP Since what I have said is so ridiculous, why don't you take a crack at answering the original question? Then we can all take pot shots at what you say, pointing out that the example you used, based on a real system, is absolutely _ [fill in the blank]. Regards, Steve Thompson -- All opinions expressed by me are my own and may not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Tom Marchant wrote: It's been a long time since I've done any SMS work, but I think you can do what you are proposing as long as you add RECORG=PS to your data class. No ways! RECORG is for VSAM, They're discussing DSORG=PS in this thread. RECORG={KS|ES|RR|LR} There is nothing about PS in RECORG. HTH! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Determining CPIH (Pipeline Management) Metrics for a Message/Transaction
snip Some of my colleagues are investigating, from an architecture point-of-view, how best to use CICS Web services to provide customer access to our 2-tiered CICS-DB2 application on z/OS. For each scenario that they investigate, as much detail on resource consumption is required. Where I am having difficulty is finding elapsed times, CPU consumption and other measures related to pipeline management. In particular, I see nothing in the CICS SMF 110's nor Omegamon/CICS that reports on the (alias) transaction CPIH. My questions are: /snip The easiest method is to set up a report service class in WLM for each transaction of interest. You won't be able to get atomic granularity (i.e. each individual transaction), but with large numbers of transactions, the report service class will be able to give you a good profile of the reported transactions. See the fine WLM manuals under workload classification rules. HTH, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
If you have TASID, UCB under option 5 (Miscellaneous displays) would provide that indicator. I think even SHOWZOS (SHOWMVS) provides that information. I do not have it installed here to ascertain this claim. -Gani Mark Pace wrote: Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Darth, Sound like you have the cart in front of the horse to me. I used to code the ACS to assign DSORG=PS if it was blank and did not meet any other DSORG's criteria. This prevented the HSM orphans that Radoslaw referred to. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] A Blank DSORG For most of my dataclas's, I do assign a DSORG. But in this case where I'm testing for the DSORG using it to assign a dataclas, it doesn't help - kind of a cart-horse problem. ddk Darth, You could add the dsorg to the dataclass(es) if you assign a dataclass to every dataset. Any open (or jcl parameter) would override the dataclass value. Regards, John *** *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. *** *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
John - Actually the DCSTDFLT dataclas assigned in the code stub shown in my 1st email is exactly that - a barebones dataclass. But in this case, I wanted to assign a dataclass with the extended format compaction attributes. I have several of these to chose from wanted to assign DCEXTEND based on a DSORG=PS. This is where I ran into my little issue. As someone else pointed out earlier, I think the solution will be to require the applications to add the DSORG parm to their JCL. thanks - ddk Darth, You could create a new barebones dataclass and assign it to any dataset with a null DSORG. I have such a dataclas just to avoid gdg model datasets when creating a +1 gds. Regards, John ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3494 ATL Manual Functions
From memory, which is a dangerous thing these days, I'm fairly certain that you can eject tapes from the d/t 3494 via the 'action' panel but I can't remember weather you have to be in manual mode or not. In your case that doesn't appear to be a concern though. Ejecting virtual tapes is a little different (I think this is done in the 'commands' popup) but do'able. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) Hal Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 02/20/2008 10:10 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject 3494 ATL Manual Functions We have a 3494 ATL in our BR site we use for an offsite tape repository. The plan is for that unit to run stand alone until we bring up a production LPAR and begin a recovery. Tapes would be rotated in and out of the unit using printed reports from the base system. The operators want to use the ATL console to eject tapes, but can't find the function. I seem to recall someone saying that the eject function is something that can only be done via a running RMM. That is, manual tape management is not fully supported. Am I understanding things correctly? Thanks NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
We use a 3rd party product to initialize these datasets prevent the orphans. ddk Darth, Sound like you have the cart in front of the horse to me. I used to code the ACS to assign DSORG=PS if it was blank and did not meet any other DSORG's criteria. This prevented the HSM orphans that Radoslaw referred to. Ron ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:15:41 -0800, Gerhard Adam wrote: So, the more processors you have to split the costs across, the lower the CPU/hr charge may be. And those charges are based on the SMF collected times (since that is what fed the accounting system). It is clearly ridiculous since the projected $7,000,000 (by your own definition) doesn't include peripherals. Also, more processors doesn't SPLIT costs, it multiplies them since more power is presumably available for more work. Huh? If all other things are equal, the cost per CPU second for a machine with two processors is half the cost per CPU second of a machine with one processor. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
FDR Report will tell you. Just ask for the VLSMSTAT field in the report. It will display Managed if the volume is SMS managed and NONE if it is not. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS managed volume Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ZOS V1R9 and Old APPS
Which CICS release are you referring to? i just checked all of the fixes for CICS TS 2.2 and 3.1 and did not find any that had to be put on for z/os 1.9 although there were a number of hyper fixes unrelated to z/os 1.9 that will be applied. of course there are always new LE RDO groups (SYS1.CEE.SCEESAMP(CEECCSD)) and SOCKETS (SYS1.TCPIP.SEZAINST(ECZCICCT)) that have to either replace or be merged with the existing groups. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel McLaughlin Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: ZOS V1R9 and Old APPS We are starting to install and test V1R9. Part of the challenge will be archaic DB2 and a lame-duck CICS. Have any of you 'been there and done that and would be willing to share your experiences? Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:59:00 -0600, Darth Keller wrote: John - Actually the DCSTDFLT dataclas assigned in the code stub shown in my 1st email is exactly that - a barebones dataclass. But in this case, I wanted to assign a dataclass with the extended format compaction attributes. I have several of these to chose from wanted to assign DCEXTEND based on a DSORG=PS. This is where I ran into my little issue. As someone else pointed out earlier, I think the solution will be to require the applications to add the DSORG parm to their JCL. The sample JCL that you showed in your first post had no DSORG assigned. In that case, do you want to assign it to DXEXTEND? If so, you need to check for no DSORG. From the Storage Administration Reference: If you do not specify a Recorg value for data sets with a data class, assigned either by JCL or ACS routine, the DSORG defaults to either physical sequential (PS) or partitioned organization (PO). -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ZOS V1R9 and Old APPS
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Daniel McLaughlin We are starting to install and test V1R9. Part of the challenge will be archaic DB2 and a lame-duck CICS. Have any of you 'been there and done that and would be willing to share your experiences? How lame is your CICS duck? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS managed volume Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Operator command? D SMS,VOL(volser),DETAIL response: RESPONSE=LIH1 IGD002I 11:06:14 DISPLAY SMS 603 VOLUME UNITSYSTEM= 1 STORGRP NAME PRDH01 2A00D SGPRDH * LEGEND * . THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS NOT DEFINED TO THE SYSTEM + THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS ENABLED - THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS DISABLED * THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS QUIESCED D THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS DISABLED FOR NEW ALLOCATIONS ONLY Q THE STORAGE GROUP OR VOLUME IS QUIESCED FOR NEW ALLOCATIONS ONLY THE VOLSER IN UCB IS DIFFERENT FROM THE VOLSER IN CONFIGURATION SYSTEM 1 = LIH1 If not SMS managed: RESPONSE=LIH1 CBR1064I Command rejected. Volume serial number LIHTS1 undefined. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM: Re: LZW Compression/Expansion
Many thanks to all who responded to my LZW query. I now have a plethora of references available, thanks to many helpful responses both onlist and offlist. I can't say for sure what compression algorithm I'll use in the updated ARCHIVER; overall performance and some of the technical details will still need exploration but I've got some starting points now. Thanks again to all who helped. Rick :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Clock Reset
Because the TOD clock on mainframes loses seconds over a period of time the clock needs to be reset. Without the use of a SYSPLEX Timer what are you doing to reset the time? Do you reset the time on the HMC and do a POR? If so how often? Set the time when you IPL? Reset the local clock time which would then be out of sync with the UTC time? Bob This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may constitute as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify us immediately by telephone and (i) destroy this message if a facsimile or (ii) delete this message immediately if this is an electronic communication. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Tom - Actually I only wanted to assign DCEXTEND for a PS file, but not a PO. The manual reference was actually what I needed to find as I couldn't remember which files could actually fall into SMS with a blank DSORG. I'm going to handle it by having the applications add the DSORG to their JCL. thanks - ddk The sample JCL that you showed in your first post had no DSORG assigned. In that case, do you want to assign it to DXEXTEND? If so, you need to check for no DSORG. From the Storage Administration Reference: If you do not specify a Recorg value for data sets with a data class, assigned either by JCL or ACS routine, the DSORG defaults to either physical sequential (PS) or partitioned organization (PO). -- Tom Marchant ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:43:10 -0600, Darth Keller wrote: Actually I only wanted to assign DCEXTEND for a PS file, but not a PO. The manual reference was actually what I needed to find as I couldn't remember which files could actually fall into SMS with a blank DSORG. I'm going to handle it by having the applications add the DSORG to their JCL. It seems like you could deduce that a data set would be PS because of what it is not. Can DSNTYPE help you? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3494 ATL Manual Functions
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: 3494 ATL Manual Functions We have a 3494 ATL in our BR site we use for an offsite tape repository. The plan is for that unit to run stand alone until we bring up a production LPAR and begin a recovery. Tapes would be rotated in and out of the unit using printed reports from the base system. The operators want to use the ATL console to eject tapes, but can't find the function. I seem to recall someone saying that the eject function is something that can only be done via a running RMM. That is, manual tape management is not fully supported. Am I understanding things correctly? Thanks We can eject tapes using the Web Interface to our 3494. I am not sure, but have you tried to move the volume from its home cell in the ATL to a cell in the cap drawer. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Use not PO. It will be PO if it's a library -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A Blank DSORG Tom - Actually I only wanted to assign DCEXTEND for a PS file, but not a PO. The manual reference was actually what I needed to find as I couldn't remember which files could actually fall into SMS with a blank DSORG. I'm going to handle it by having the applications add the DSORG to their JCL. thanks - ddk The sample JCL that you showed in your first post had no DSORG assigned. In that case, do you want to assign it to DXEXTEND? If so, you need to check for no DSORG. From the Storage Administration Reference: If you do not specify a Recorg value for data sets with a data class, assigned either by JCL or ACS routine, the DSORG defaults to either physical sequential (PS) or partitioned organization (PO). -- Tom Marchant ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Tom - I hadn't thought about using DSNTYPE. If it gets set when you request directory blocks in the allocation, I could see where I could use it. Otherwise I don't see anything else in the values for test cases that would help me determine a PS from a PO. The one thing this has pointed out to me is that I don't have any testcases built where the DSORG is blank for PS PO datasets - something else to add. Can DSNTYPE help? ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clock Reset
If we see that the time is far enough off we will reset the local clock time, but we have only been setting the time when Daylight/Standard time changes. Because the TOD clock on mainframes loses seconds over a period of time the clock needs to be reset. Without the use of a SYSPLEX Timer what are you doing to reset the time? Do you reset the time on the HMC and do a POR? If so how often? Set the time when you IPL? Reset the local clock time which would then be out of sync with the UTC time? Bob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
Mark, There were lots of good answers to your question. I'll add MXI to the list of tools. But for my money, Kees reply was not only the first; it is the easiest for one volume. What I did not like, however, is that the error message text of CBR1064I that accompanies the D SMS command does not indicate that it is also valid for a non-SMS *DASD* volume. D SMS,VOL(XCB1AB) CBR1064I Command rejected. Volume serial number XCB1AB undefined. From QuickRef: CBR1064I Command rejected. Volume serial number volser undefined. Explanation: The operator entered a command that requires the specification of a volume serial number. For commands affecting optical volumes, the volume serial number volser is either not defined in the optical configuration data base, or the optical configuration data base contains invalid fields in the row for the specified volume serial number. This message is preceded by a message or messages that contains information about the nature of the invalid fields in the optical configuration data base for the volume serial number. For commands that affect tape volumes, either the volume serial number volser is not defined in the tape configuration database, or the volume serial number is defined in the tape configuration database but is for a volume that is not supported by the level of OAM software on this system (volume record contains uplevel tape device selection information). The possibility also exists that the volume serial number that is specified is defined in the tape configuration database. However, a save control data set was activated that does not contain any tape library definitions. System Action: The command is rejected. Operator Response: Determine the cause of the error, then enter a command with a valid volume serial number. If the request failed because the volume is not supported on this OAM software level, reissue the command on a system where it is supported. Source: Object Access Method (OAM) Routing Code: 2 Descriptor Code: 5 - Robert B. Richards(Bob) US Office of Personnel Management 1900 E Street NW Room: BH04L Washington, D.C. 20415 Phone: (202) 606-1195 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS managed volume Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSVDYLPA DCBPTR=CVTLINK
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:35:46 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dynamic LPA processing will typically do no better and no worse than any other fetch that was targeted to the LNKLST. It is quite possible that the problem is due to what the posts have indicated, namely (typically) something now in in an extent that is not part of the LNKLST that your space has defined. However, for releases prior to z/OS 1.9, there is a bug that is being fixed (at z/OS 1.7 and z/OS 1.8) when you have multiple LNKLST sets involved and the operation is not occurring within a space for which the IPL-time LNKLST is that space's LNKLST. (The supported case of this is when a new LNKLST set was activated, and then a newly started job or address space uses the CSVDYLPA programming interface. I say it that way because it could also happen if you used the unpredicatably dangerous LNKLST UPDATE operation to update the LNKLST for ASID=1 and then issued the SETPROG LPA command or its analog via SET PROG=xx). . APAR OA24903 has been taken for this problem, and a ++APAR is available. The basic explanation of the processing problem is that the system ends up doing things partly with one DCB/DEB (the one for the LNKLST current for the issuing address space) and partly with another DCB/DEB (the one for the IPL-time LNKLST). As has been stated, you can use the DSNAME or DDNAME parameters of CSVDYLPA and avoid this problem even know. Alternately (and this really is the intended thing to do, not refreshing LLA), have someone create a new LNKLST set just like the old one and activate it and then start your application. For example, SETPROG LNKLST DEFINE NAME(COPY) COPYFROM(CURRENT) SETPROG LNKLST ACTIVATE NAME(COPY) Peter Relson 1) This is a z/os 1.8 system. 2) The library in question is defined with '0' (zero) secondary. 3) After the library was updated, an LLA REFRESH was done. 4) An LLA UPDATE was done (not sure if before or after the LLA REFRESH): F LLA,UPDATE=xx, where SYS1.PARMLIB(CSVLLAxx) contains /* TO ADD AN LLA LIBRARY ENTER THE FOLLOWING PARAMETERS: */ LIBRARIES(thelibrary) FREEZE(thelibrary) 5) Thank you for the information about APAR OA24903. 6) I agree that using DSNAME or DDNAME will avoid the problem, but then that defeats the purpose of having the library in linklist Thank you. Paul Schuster -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Darth, Actually I only wanted to assign DCEXTEND for a PS file, but not a PO. The manual reference was actually what I needed to find as I couldn't remember which files could actually fall into SMS with a blank DSORG. Are your users coding directory blocks in their space parameter? DSORG should be set to PO if there is a value coded. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
John - No directory blocks in this case. They want a PS file but never coded the DSORG. I was going to have them update their JCL with the DSORG parameter, but I'm also thinking I can handle it within SMS with a separate filterlist of specific names in addition to the filterlist which uses masking as we were doing before. With a test for a specific dsn, I don't need to be concerned about the dsntype at all. The dataset ended up with just under 9000 cylinders used space; the compressed version is less than 1/5th that size... so I definitely want it compressed. ddk Are your users coding directory blocks in their space parameter? DSORG should be set to PO if there is a value coded. Regards, John ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
If all other things are equal, the cost per CPU second for a machine with two processors is half the cost per CPU second of a machine with one processor. Voodoo mathematics. If I start a second processor, I have to at least pay for the hardware upgrade and increased s/w costs. So, I don't understand/agree with your statement. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: mvs output on pc printer
If you're running IBM's http Server (maybe on a sandbox?), view mainframe datasets from your web browser (if the MVSDS service is enabled). You could then print locally. It could be secure (basic SAF or LDAP) at the server level (UserId in the config) or just for the MVSDS service (via Protection in the config) or completely open to all within your firewall. An open/unsecured MVS for public datasets would bypass the the usual SAF id/password ftp requirements. (To be even more heretical, you could bookmark the url.) This should work for either local or network printers. The other replies have excellent suggestions regarding network attached printers. MVSDS would NOT be ideal for formatted/print files. I liked Gerry's ASA cc to MS word formatting in the prior post in this thread. Is there an ebcdic mime type that covers the ASA carriage control...SHARE requirement for the WebSphere folk next week? Along these lines, what about hfs files for MVSDS? (Though this functionality is easily gained via PASS with DirAccess. Using DD: should work, but is awkward.) A simple ebcdic-ascii carriage control chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASA_carriage_control_characters Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Thank you. Todd Blandford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Fw: COBOL Compiler options
Using the coprocessor is NOT exactly the same as running the preprocessor and then the compiler. As far as I know, there have been NO reports of different run-time results from the two, but there are things that using the coprocessor can do that the preprocessor can't (see the Programming Guide for details) e.g. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/IGY3PG40/3.1.2.2 I would, however, check you LISTINGS to make certain that all the Options in Effect are the same with the two methods. It is possible that one of your compiler procs has different settings and this COULD impact run-time results. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In our shop, for CICS COBOL programs, we run the preprocessor DFHECP1$, then the compile step IGYCRCTL. I thought of bypassing the DFHECP1$ step by running the IGYCRCTL with 'CICS' in the parm. That was fine. Except, a co-worker pointed out to me that the generated object code differs, and, as such, is apprehensive. Does anyone know why that is? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Price of CPU seconds If all other things are equal, the cost per CPU second for a machine with two processors is half the cost per CPU second of a machine with one processor. Voodoo mathematics. If I start a second processor, I have to at least pay for the hardware upgrade and increased s/w costs. So, I don't understand/agree with your statement. SNIP OK, all you guys are right. There is no way to do charge-back accounting. All the formulae are wrong regardless of what they are. All these circus bureaus have been defrauding their clients, all the publicly held companies that are doing charge-back are somehow cooking their books. So the NT/*nix guys have it right. The mainframe people get their knickers knotted for no reason and can't justify their concern for 408 cpu seconds being used, etc. etc. Later, Steve Thompson -- All opinions expressed by me are my own and may not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: COBOL Compiler options
If you are running the CICS Itegrated translator You should be fine. I ran it in a previous installation and had no problems. Your Application developers may not like it since it generates different source code that a CICS program compiled with the Translator. It was my application staff that couldnt adjust to the Intergrated translator. Bill Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 02/20/2008 01:47 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Fw: COBOL Compiler options Using the coprocessor is NOT exactly the same as running the preprocessor and then the compiler. As far as I know, there have been NO reports of different run-time results from the two, but there are things that using the coprocessor can do that the preprocessor can't (see the Programming Guide for details) e.g. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/IGY3PG40/3.1.2.2 I would, however, check you LISTINGS to make certain that all the Options in Effect are the same with the two methods. It is possible that one of your compiler procs has different settings and this COULD impact run-time results. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In our shop, for CICS COBOL programs, we run the preprocessor DFHECP1$, then the compile step IGYCRCTL. I thought of bypassing the DFHECP1$ step by running the IGYCRCTL with 'CICS' in the parm. That was fine. Except, a co-worker pointed out to me that the generated object code differs, and, as such, is apprehensive. Does anyone know why that is? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
Candle Supersession (or whatever IBM has renamed it to now) was pretty good. There is also another product (SWITCH?) the does the same. snip Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
We use (ug!) Windows and a suitable (supports TLS/SSL) TN3270 emulator. Works great, users love it, minimal cost, minimal user training. The only minuses are users having to log on many times and users closing windows without logging off. Modern users are accustomed to having any number of open windows on their workstation and bouncing around at will, cutting here, pasting there. A little creativity / human engineering in your DNS and a small 'how to' document might be all you need to convert your entire user base. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Blandford Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager? Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Thank you. Todd Blandford NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Darth, Have you given any thought to other compound filter list tests (jobname, ddname, program, etc.) that could help assign your data class without JCL changes? Bob - Robert B. Richards(Bob) US Office of Personnel Management 1900 E Street NW Room: BH04L Washington, D.C. 20415 Phone: (202) 606-1195 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A Blank DSORG John - No directory blocks in this case. They want a PS file but never coded the DSORG. I was going to have them update their JCL with the DSORG parameter, but I'm also thinking I can handle it within SMS with a separate filterlist of specific names in addition to the filterlist which uses masking as we were doing before. With a test for a specific dsn, I don't need to be concerned about the dsntype at all. The dataset ended up with just under 9000 cylinders used space; the compressed version is less than 1/5th that size... so I definitely want it compressed. ddk Are your users coding directory blocks in their space parameter? DSORG should be set to PO if there is a value coded. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Z10 coupling link
Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. -- Paul Meier Mainframe PCAP Cell: (708)717-8553 Work: (414)357-3539 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
Give the product marketed by Macro4 called TUBES a try. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Blandford Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager? Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Thank you. Todd Blandford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ZOS V1R9 and Old APPS
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:17 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Daniel McLaughlin We are starting to install and test V1R9. Part of the challenge will be archaic DB2 and a lame-duck CICS. Have any of you 'been there and done that and would be willing to share your experiences? How lame is your CICS duck? And what OS version are you taking the leap from? Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
Since what I have said is so ridiculous, why don't you take a crack at answering the original question? Then we can all take pot shots at what you say, pointing out that the example you used, based on a real system, is absolutely _ [fill in the blank]. First of all these comments weren't intended as a personal attack, and I never indicated that YOU were ridiculous, but rather than the proposed mechanism for costing CPU seconds was. The primary reason they are ridiculous is that the question that you have posted cannot be answered in a simple list-server and to suggest otherwise truly is ridiculous. The original question is wrong at so many levels, especially if one thinks that someone might actually be contemplating an I/T accounting/chargeback system based on an answer from this list. This process is far too complex and requires far too many levels of management/accounting/technical involvement which is precisely why so many of these systems are simply ridiculous. Adam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL If all other things are equal, the cost per CPU second for a machine with two processors is half the cost per CPU second of a machine with one processor. Voodoo mathematics. Is that anything like the New Math? If I start a second processor, I have to at least pay for the hardware upgrade and increased s/w costs. For the moment, ignore the hardware cost (probably belongs in overhead anyway). If your single-engine machine used, say, 100 MSUs, how many MSUs does the now twin-engine machine use for the same workload? Assuming NO capacity-priced software, how much is the increase in software cost? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
We use MacKinney's Switch and it works great for a very nominal annual cost. Mark Crabtree ANPAC Manager of System Programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] (417) 887-4990 x.2767 CONFIDENTIALITY / PRIVILEGE NOTICE: This transmission and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee. This transmission is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C §§ 2510-2521. The information contained in this transmission is confidential in nature and protected from further use or disclosure under U.S. Pub. L. 106-102, 113 U.S. Stat. 1338 (1999), and may be subject to attorney-client or other legal privilege. Your use or disclosure of this information for any purpose other than that intended by its transmittal is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to fines and/or penalties under federal and state law. If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission, please DESTROY ALL COPIES RECEIVED and confirm destruction to the sender via return transmittal. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Blandford Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager? Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Thank you. Todd Blandford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:41:52 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all other things are equal, the cost per CPU second for a machine with two processors is half the cost per CPU second of a machine with one processor. Voodoo mathematics. Anything beyond our comprehension is indistinguishable from magic. If I start a second processor, I have to at least pay for the hardware upgrade and increased s/w costs. Certainly not equal. So, I don't understand/agree with your statement. Compare a z9 BC model Y01 (1 CP) to a model S02 (2 CPs). Both are about 420 MIPS. Can you buy them both for the same price? I don't know. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
OK, all you guys are right. There is no way to do charge-back accounting. All the formulae are wrong regardless of what they are. First of all no one said you can't do chargeback, but only that the simplistic solutions being proposed aren't accurate. If you have a formula, I'd love to see it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Linux zSeries questions
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/19/2008 at 06:45 AM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Now that I don't understand. The From: is clear, The From doesn't tell the recipient that you sent another copy to the list. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:27:35 -0800, Gerhard Adam wrote: First of all these comments weren't intended as a personal attack, and I never indicated that YOU were ridiculous, but rather than the proposed mechanism for costing CPU seconds was. The primary reason they are ridiculous is that the question that you have posted cannot be answered in a simple list-server and to suggest otherwise truly is ridiculous. The original question is wrong at so many levels, especially if one thinks that someone might actually be contemplating an I/T accounting/chargeback system based on an answer from this list. True. And that's why I didn't respond to the original question. However, the second question that Miklos posted was entirely different. On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:30:03 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: For me this more or less clear. I have here a number of collegues from NT and Unix , and they don't understand why the 0.5% CPU time is a matter: As I understand it, this question has nothing to do with chargeback or billing. It is about communicating with people from a different culture. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
FDR Report addresses both issues to give an accurate picture and will also allow you to place the Storage Group name in the report. I use it all the time on my current project. Tom -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Traylor, Terry Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS managed volume QuickRef will tell you whether the volume belongs to an SMS storage group, but will not tell you whether the volume is SMS managed. Because, it does not indicate whether the STORAGEGROUP has been turned on in the VTOC. I know ISMF 2.1.1 and IEHLIST will reveal whether STORAGEGROUP is on. But, I don't believe D SMS,VOL(volser) will tell you. I don't know about TASID, UCB under option 5, SHOWZOS (SHOWMVS), FDR Report VLSMSTAT field, or others. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg (602) 977-5154 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS managed volume If you have QuickRef it will tell you. Lizette -Original Message- From: Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 20, 2008 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMS managed volume Is there an easy way to tell if a DASD volume is SMS managed or not? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. You might want to ask your question again AFTER next Tuesday, Feb. 26th, since a 'z10' has not been announced just yet. (Rumored heavily, sure, but not announced.) -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
If your single-engine machine used, say, 100 MSUs, how many MSUs does the now twin-engine machine use for the same workload? Roughly the same. Assuming NO capacity-priced software, how much is the increase in software cost? I'm not sure what your term capacity priced means, but if it means usage based, then there should be no increase for that workload. But, with increased processor capacity, there will be increased costs, somewhere. And, most chargeback systems don't charge for just one workload. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
Just what I heard. On 2/20/08, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Meier Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Z10 coupling link Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. -- Paul Meier Has the z10 been announced? If not, then you may be in violation of an NDA to even talk about it here. If it has been announced, I would really appreciate a URL to see what it is like! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
MacKinney---VTAM Switch Depends on what you need...just a simple session manger? then this will do it -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
OK, all you guys are right. There is no way to do charge-back accounting. All the formulae are wrong regardless of what they are. All these circus bureaus have been defrauding their clients, all the publicly held companies that are doing charge-back are somehow cooking their books. Now, I have NO IDEA what you're talking about! I made one little statement that I thought something is wrong, and you jump in with some sarcastic garbage about there being no way to do it. That is not what I said, or intended to imply. I haven't even expressed my opinion regarding whether chargeback is a valid discipline, or not. And, I have no intention of doing so. All I did was question an assumption. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at?
G'day, I'm on a 1.4 JES2 system (PLEX) with SDSF what I would like to do is to look at a different system's log file from the one I'm on. I know I did this before but can not find out how I did it again. Thank you. Regards, Herman Stocker The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Price of CPU seconds
So, I don't understand/agree with your statement. Compare a z9 BC model Y01 (1 CP) to a model S02 (2 CPs). Both are about 420 MIPS. Can you buy them both for the same price? I don't know. Okay. Now I understand. There was a missing assumption, that the single engine processor and the two engine processor had the same capacity. I was thinking upgrade. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS managed volume
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Moulder Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2008 6:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS managed volume FDR Report addresses both issues to give an accurate picture and will also allow you to place the Storage Group name in the report. I use it all the time on my current project. Tom To illustrate Tom's response, here is a sample FDREPORT print-out: FDR400 FDRABR VTOC REPORT CREATE/PRINT - FDREPORT VER 5.4/62P - INNOVATION DA FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * TITLE LINE='VOLUME SMS DETAILS' FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * SELECT VOL=VTS* FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * SORT FIELD=(VLVOLSER) FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * REPORT FIELD=(VLVOLSER,VLSMSSTG,VLUNIT,VLDEVTYP, FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * VLSMSTAT,VLSMSVST) FDR303 CARD IMAGE - * PRINT SORTALLOC=YES,DATATYPE=VOLDATA,SUMDEV=UNIQUE,FORM FDR491 PRINT REPORTSFUNCTION STARTED - 15.40.55 VOLUME SMS DETAILS VOLSER STORGRP UADR DEVTYPE SMS STA VOLUM STATUS VTS017 PROD13 7080 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS018 PROD13 7081 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS019 PROD13 7082 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS020 PROD13 7083 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS021 PROD13 7084 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS022 PROD13 7085 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS023 PROD13 7086 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS024 PROD13 7087 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS025 PROD13 7088 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS026 PROD13 7089 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS027 PROD13 708A 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS028 PROD13 708B 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS029 PROD13 708C 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS030 PROD13 708D 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED VTS031 PROD13 708E 3390-27 MANAGED ENABLED Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Meier Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. Well, since the new z10 won't officially exist until next Tuesday, . :-) -jc- (No, we don't have one / aren't getting one any time soon.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:21:21 -0600, Jackson, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give the product marketed by Macro4 called TUBES a try. Which has been reincarnated now by IBM as ISM (IBM Session Manager). Check the archives... there is an extensive list of session managers. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at?
Herman, Is it the SDSF 'SYSID' command you're looking for? SYSID where is the other system in your plex. HTH, Paul On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:52:55 -0500, Stocker, Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day, I'm on a 1.4 JES2 system (PLEX) with SDSF what I would like to do is to look at a different system's log file from the one I'm on. I know I did this before but can not find out how I did it again. Thank you. Regards, Herman Stocker -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at?
Herman Do you have OPERLOG enabled (syslog into a CF structure) if so, from within SDSF, enter set log ? and select operlog, then filter sysname is the system's log you want to see. Regards Gerard Ceruti may the 'z' be with you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stocker, Herman Sent: 20 February 2008 09:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at? G'day, I'm on a 1.4 JES2 system (PLEX) with SDSF what I would like to do is to look at a different system's log file from the one I'm on. I know I did this before but can not find out how I did it again. Thank you. Regards, Herman Stocker The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ Standard Bank Disclaimer and Confidentiality Note This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise, the property of Standard Bank Group Limited and/or its subsidiaries (the Group). It is confidential, private and intended for the addressee only. Should you not be the addressee and receive this e-mail by mistake, kindly notify the sender, and delete this e-mail, immediately and do not disclose or use same in any manner whatsoever. Views and opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender unless clearly stated as those of the Group. The Group accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages whatsoever and howsoever incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email or its attachments. The Group does not warrant the integrity of this e-mail nor that it is free of errors, viruses, interception or interference. Licensed divisions of the Standard Bank Group are authorised financial services providers in terms of the Financial Advisory and Intermediary Services Act, No 37 of 2002 (FAIS). For information about the Standard Bank Group Limited visit our website http://www.standardbank.co.za ___ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Questions Regarding Disk Cache
Hi: These were a few questions posted on another topic in CICS-L for which no reply was received. The topic was CI/CA splits and I asked the following questions, which were embedded in the response: 1) Two of the processes of completing a CA split is to format the new CA and clear out the moved data CIs from the original CA. Do the empty CIs used to clear or format the CAs occupy space in the disk cache? 2) When reading a file sequentially that has CA splits caused by direct insertions (e.g., 50% free space), are the empty CIs that were created as a result of the CA splits read into the disk cache by the hardware's read-ahead mechanism once it determines that the file is being processed sequentially? Regards, Gene **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
Todd Blandford wrote: Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Multiple icons on your PC desktop? Works like a charm. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? Since the product hasn't been announced, yet, the only ones who would know are those under NDA. And, they can't even tell us that they are under NDA, let alone what they know about the z10, itself. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:21:21 -0600, Jackson, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give the product marketed by Macro4 called TUBES a try. Which has been reincarnated now by IBM as ISM (IBM Session Manager). Interesting AFAIK, IBM still markets Netview Access Services (NVAS) as well -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link McKown, John wrote: Has the z10 been announced? If not, then you may be in violation of an NDA to even talk about it here. If it has been announced, I would really appreciate a URL to see what it is like! I did not sign any NDA document, so I feel free to talk about z10. It's perfectly legal. BTW: How do you think - *why* IBM informs about z10 under NDA ? I strongly doubt they want to keep it in secret, otherwise why to inform anyone, even under NDA ? This is called 'virus marketting' - everyone's curious about the secret. The only reason that I can think of to tell anybody anything under an NDA is so that they have time to write nice things about on day one. It takes time to read the stuff, think about it, then write (hopefully) glowing prose about it. And, yea, it hypes up interest. I am most interested in any changes in the architecture and the new instructions. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at?
I'm on a 1.4 JES2 system (PLEX) with SDSF what I would like to do is to look at a different system's log file from the one I'm on. I know I did this before but can not find out how I did it again. Primary command: == SYSID Where is the JES-id for the target system. Has been available for aeons. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
Tom Marchant sent this earlier today: From the Storage Administration Reference: If you do not specify a Recorg value for data sets with a data class, assigned either by JCL or ACS routine, the DSORG defaults to either physical sequential (PS) or partitioned organization (PO). -- Unless I read DFSMS/dfp Storage Administrators Guide wrong, DSORG will only be null for a PS dataset. If users code directory blocks, DSORG is set to PO. The other possible values require coding DSNTYPE= in the jcl. Regards, John ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
It is not recommended to use so different machines (in term of CPU speed) in sysplex. To much overhead. Having monitored and measured this in real world environments since 1994, I disagree. Define too much, and produce documentation. The biggest issue is lock elongation if you put a sharing member on a slower machine. But, I have put 'slow' 'fast' images in the same SYSPLEX (ie: dev prod), due to automation benefits, such as console consolidation. But, I have only once put an IMS sharing group member on a 'slow' machine. I learned my lesson! (8-{} For cost reasons, I have also run with 'slow' CF's. You just have to know what you're doing and where the exposures are. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Blank DSORG
John Kington wrote: Darth, [...] Are your users coding directory blocks in their space parameter? DSORG should be set to PO if there is a value coded. Maybe it should, but AFAIK it isn't. That's the problem. Having blank DSORG you cannot tell whether it is PS or PO. You can check directory blocks, but again it fails for PDSE. However adding DSORG to DD solves the problem. I see nothing wrong in specifying DSORG. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF Question - How do you change the system log you are looking at?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:57:28 -0600, Paul Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herman, Is it the SDSF 'SYSID' command you're looking for? SYSID where is the other system in your plex. To clarify: The other system can only be one in the same MAS. If your JES is not shared, it doesn't matter if the other system is in the same sysplex. However, if OPERLOG is configured in the sysplex and the other system participates, you can view the operlog and filter it to show only that system. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
The problem with using multiple emulator sessions is that if you lose your network connection to the mainframe, you also lose all your tn3270 sessions too. By logging on to the mainframe applications though a session manager, the session manager will hold your sessions open for you until you log back in. That's the big benefit I tell our users, even other system programmers at my site. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Hal Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:16:07 PM Subject: Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager? We use (ug!) Windows and a suitable (supports TLS/SSL) TN3270 emulator. Works great, users love it, minimal cost, minimal user training. The only minuses are users having to log on many times and users closing windows without logging off. Modern users are accustomed to having any number of open windows on their workstation and bouncing around at will, cutting here, pasting there. A little creativity / human engineering in your DNS and a small 'how to' document might be all you need to convert your entire user base. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Blandford Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager? Hello listers - Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with replacing the CA's TPX with a different session manager? Thank you. Todd Blandford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mismatched Coupling and Coupled Speeds
Moving on, it has been demonstrated that the CF engine needs to be reasonably close to the coupled engine speed else there is a risk of capacity loss. Define 'reasonably close'. Define 'a risk'. We had 9672-C04 CFs with 9672-RXn z/900 images. Yes, this was a few years ago. Due to budgetting constraints, it was going to be a year before the CFs were to be upgraded. An IBM'r (since retired) came in and helped us with the analysis. It came out that we would save 100ms on an IMS transaction, if we were to upgrade. Since they were synchronous locks, that was the equivalent of 100ms of CPU time, differing percentages of the processor, based on whether it was a 9672 or a z/900. This worked out to a cost of 2% of the smallest processor. We presented the results to management. It is also true that lots of other things can affect this, such as the oft-mentioned Sync to Async conversion algorithms, distance, Processor and s/w upgrade costs. Our management decided that the 2% hit was 'cheaper' than upgrading. We waited the year. As a performance analyst, you want the fastest and the bestest. As a capacity analyst, you have to take business need, budgetting, and other financial issues into account. It's been demnonstrated ... does not sell business cases very often, if at all. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:19:16 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:21:21 -0600, Jackson, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give the product marketed by Macro4 called TUBES a try. Which has been reincarnated now by IBM as ISM (IBM Session Manager). Interesting AFAIK, IBM still markets Netview Access Services (NVAS) as well What's really interesting is that IBM chose ISM as their strategic product over SuperSession after the purchase of Candle. I'll never be able to figure that one out as IMHO SuperSession is (still) a far superior product. Also, from what I've seen the support for ISM is still done be MACRO4. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
Go to http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=tss1prs840 and select the presentation labeled S2885BB - Tool Bag - orlando.pdf See page 5. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Tom Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. You might want to ask your question again AFTER next Tuesday, Feb. 26th, since a 'z10' has not been announced just yet. (Rumored heavily, sure, but not announced.) -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Mismatched Coupling and Coupled Speeds
Note the change of title from the obvious OTHER one. :-) And deliberate abstraction on MY part. :-) The issue is with whether the Coupling Facility is too slow relative to the coupled z/OS images. Just to be clear: Not whether the images are on different speed engines. Moving on, it has been demonstrated that the CF engine needs to be reasonably close to the coupled engine speed else there is a risk of capacity loss. It is also true that lots of other things can affect this, such as the oft-mentioned Sync to Async conversion algorithms, distance, LPAR setup etc. (There was also something about different processor families being able to participate in the same plex whether directly coupled together or via a third CF LPAR. The usual research considerations apply.) Now, don't expect ANY IBMer to bite here on any hypothetical unannounced ANYTHING. :-) Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mismatched Coupling and Coupled Speeds
Martin Packer wrote: Note the change of title from the obvious OTHER one. :-) And deliberate abstraction on MY part. :-) The issue is with whether the Coupling Facility is too slow relative to the coupled z/OS images. Just to be clear: Not whether the images are on different speed engines. However such 'assymetry' is unavoidable when having z/900 and z/ANYTHING in same parallel sysplex. However, AFAIR, the problem exist when CF engine is to slow, so having ICF on z/ANYTHING and not on z/900 (do not forget about redundancy) would not make negative effects on CPU (CP-type CPU). From the other hand - z6 CPU in z/ANYTHING will be even cheaper... g -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z10 coupling link
Hmmm... z/OS 1.10 (on page 4) AND the z/10-EC (on page 5). Nice find, Mark! On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:19:01 -0800, Mark T. Regan, K8MTR wrote: Go to http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=tss1prs840 and select the presentation labeled S2885BB - Tool Bag - orlando.pdf See page 5. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Tom Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Z10 coupling link On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:19 -0600, Paul Meier wrote: Does anyone have any idea how to circumvent the problem with connecting the current coupling links from a z900 STI to the new z10 infiniBand link? OR have an idea how to integrate the two? The problem is coupling a z900 to a new z10. You might want to ask your question again AFTER next Tuesday, Feb. 26th, since a 'z10' has not been announced just yet. (Rumored heavily, sure, but not announced.) -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Replacement for CA - TPX - Session Manager?
Why are you still using a session manager? A lot of green screens? The number of green screens has nothing to do with it, as far as I'm concerned. We use them with TN3270 sessions for one major reason -- single sign on. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html